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“paulie June 24, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Same Obama conspiracy stuff he has been saying for years.”
Why does Wayne Root think that it is OK to talk about conspiracies involving Obama, but not OK to talk about 9/11 conspiracies (except of course the one that is espoused by the government)?
Is it because Wayne Root is a Republican shill?
Student Bill Clinton spied on Americans abroad for the CIA
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clinton_spied_students.htm
Clinton Named As Longtime CIA Spook
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/29/clinton-named-as-longtime-spook-cia/
“Mark Axinn June 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm
I have heard Wayne’s comments about Obama being MIA at Columbia for at least four years now (it’s one of his favorite talking points).
I graduated from the same school five years before these guys, did not know most of the 700 other guys in my graduating class and they don’t know me either. Obama was a transfer student (only there for his junior and senior years) and like me, lived both of them off-campus. He could have kept a low profile and only became more prominent in law school.
But the stealth theory works well for Wayne, so he keeps using it.”
I’m not a Wayne Root fan, but this does not mean that what he says here is not true.
Obama was a transfer student from Occidental College in Los Angeles, and he apparently did not have top grades. Columbia does not accept many transfer students.
Also, note that Barack Obama’s family had CIA connections.
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-barack-obama-conclusively-outed-as-cia-creation/
Another interesting connection is that Zbigniew Brzezinski was a professor at Columbia University.
The CIA likes to recruit from Columbia University, and they even have former (?) CIA on staff.
https://sipa.columbia.edu/news-center/article/peter-clement-cia-officer-in-residence
Also, note that Political Science is a favorite major for the CIA and other government intelligence agencies.
There is obviously some really shady stuff going on with Barack Obama.
I suspect that Barack Obama was enrolled in Columbia University by the CIA, but that he did not have to attend classes, and they just let him graduate.
Interestingly, I have found out that several US Presidents have or had CIA connections.
I just read yesterday that Ronald Reagan was working with the CIA back in the 1950’s. Ronald Reagan was also an FBI informant.
George HW Bush was of course a former Director of the CIA.
Bill Clinton worked with the CIA long before he held elected office.
It is a known fact that the CIA monitors elections, and that the CIA and other government intelligence agencies not only spy on political activists, they also send plants into various political organizations and movements.
Jesse Ventura talked about how when he got elected Governor of Minnesota, one of the first things that happened was that he got called into room (in the state capital or Governor’s Mansion, I can’t recall which off hand), and questioned by multiple CIA agents, several of whom were imbedded in state government in Minnesota.
I think that it is pretty apparent that the American people are being manipulated, spied on, and controlled by government intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS, etc…).
I have heard Wayne’s comments about Obama being MIA at Columbia for at least four years now (it’s one of his favorite talking points).
I graduated from the same school five years before these guys, did not know most of the 700 other guys in my graduating class and they don’t know me either. Obama was a transfer student (only there for his junior and senior years) and like me, lived both of them off-campus. He could have kept a low profile and only became more prominent in law school.
But the stealth theory works well for Wayne, so he keeps using it.
Lose the horrible sunglasses. You’re too young to look like a cataract victim.
Same Obama conspiracy stuff he has been saying for years. It’s been discussed in many past articles here at length.
“heard”
Should read, “herd…”
“Joe June 24, 2014 at 10:08 pm
Looks like he has gained weight; the sunglasses aren’t working either”
Root has worn sun glasses during day time out door political speeches before. I don’t know if he has a vision problem, or if he just prefers to wear sun glasses when the sun is bright.
I was never a fan of Root, but I’ve got to wonder if the stuff he is saying about Obama is true (as in being MIA at Columbia University, etc…). It may well be true. Regardless, he is right that Obama is further destroying this country.
I’ll go one further with a speculative accusation. Perhaps Root is another coopted tool out of Columbia, whose mission it is to heard fiscal conservatives and libertarians back to the Republican establishment plantation. Regardless if this is part of some conspiracy or not, this is what Root’s function has been. He endorsed Mitt Romney for President, a guy who is really no better than Obama.
I’m sure there’s some truth to some of the theories, Joe, and throwing wacky views in is a known tactic for discrediting those who are theorizing. The reason I’m so amused is that Root was freaked out if any Libertarians went anywhere near any of the current conspiracies. It’s just funny that now he’s apparently part of one.
Frankly, I think there are a lot of really strange things about Obama’s past. I just don’t see any reason to pursue them. Nothing will make a difference.
Looks like he has gained weight; the sunglasses aren’t working either, and Oprah hasn’t been on for over three years. That said, the idea that there is an intentional overwhelming of the US economy is, IMO, not without merit . ..
The Mars time travel thing has been around for awhile — it’s probably second only to the birth certificate . . . Gotta wonder though if the nuttier ones aren’t intentional disinformation designed to cover up shreds of truth that may be in some of the others.
Nifty. They even have a couple I had not heard before, like the Mars time travel thing.
I checked out Steven Linnabary’s link about Root, and found this gem. It has nothing to do with third parties, but this is pretty interesting.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/10/chart-obama-conspiracy-theories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EISgwoVIrs&feature=youtu.be
He can pick Football, and that’s about it.
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?After our meeting tonight, we have a few spots available in Nevada as well.? The seats are open to anyone as long as you signed the pledge.
Best,
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Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Nevada
My husband loves bad movies! He actually owns a set of all of Ed Wood’s movies. He can talk for hours about them. We’ll definitely check you out.
If you want to hear what I sound like, check out my semi-new movie review podcast, Weaver and Jed’s Bad Movie Show! http://www.soundcloud.com/weaverandjed My co-host, Andrew Weaver (who I will mention for IPR purposes is a political independent who leans left) and I review the worst of cinema as well as the so-bad-it’s-good. Will be recording our next show this Wednesday!
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I also plan on starting a blog soon where I will review Anne Rice’s “The Vampire Chronicles”. I will keep you posted.
I’m already an Alabama delegate, but thanks. I think you may have been confused by comments about 2000, when I called or emailed the state chair of Alabama at the time and he gave me an unclear answer as to whether I was a delegate. No need to quit LNC at this point, my term will be over soon enough. Part of me will miss it, but mostly it will be a relief.
Paulie–
I recommend that you quit the LNC right after Thursday’s meeting, which is right after Bill, you and I lead an LSLA seminar on petitioning which was the first comment on this thread (my 15 seconds of fame–actually more like 2.7 seconds if that!).
New York will have you if Alabama says no. You can sit next to Lotsy.
Steve Scheetz posted in LP Radical Caucus
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Steve Scheetz 7:19pm Jun 22
If Anyone is going to the LP convention and needs a state to caucus with, PA has some open slots. Message me off list.
Steve Scheetz
Psychic vampires maybe.
More literally, eating large amounts of garlic seems to make me breathe a whole lot better, clear up the congestion and stop the coughing fits.
Paulie wrote:
Paulie wrote:
Are you implying that the Libertarian Party is full of vampires?
Garlic seems to help. Large amounts of it.
PC: ” If I had any sense I would quit both IPR and LP meetings once and for all.
Yes, if you DID, you would: but you DON’T, so you won’t!
I can easily quit LNC. It will be very hard to get myself to not go to the convention, I’ll probably go even though I am in no condition to do it. I probably won’t be able to quit IPR but maybe I will give it another shot. Harder now that I own a computer. If I had any sense I would quit both IPR and LP meetings once and for all.
Why would Paulie want to be back on the LNC? He can’t even control which thread IPR commenters post on.
Very true. My efforts on both IPR and LNC are mostly wasted. Maybe they would both be beter off without me.
Trying to centrally plan comments…
Why would Paulie want to be back on the LNC? He can’t even control which thread IPR commenters post on.
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“paulie June 21, 2014 at 2:53 pm
I happen to agree with you, but someone else my look at it like hiring a TV or radio station or newspaper to run your ad.”
The Libertarian Party can write, produce, and film the advertisement before it goes to the TV station. All the TV station has to do is play the advertisement.
The Libertarian Party can not control what a petition circulator says or does in the field. Most people in the Libertarian Party have no idea what the petitioners are doing in the field, or even who the petitioners are in a lot of cases. Sometimes even the person paying the petitioners does not know who all the petitioners are, given that they may not deal with every petitioner directly. This is why there have been multiple situations on Libertarian Party petition drives where there have been non-libertarian mercenary petitioners going around misrepresenting the petitions to the public, as in lying to get people to sign, by saying stuff like, “SIGN THE PETITION TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE!” or “SIGN THE PETITION TO KEEP JOBS IN AMERICA!” or other lines of BS, and it is also why there have been situations where non-libertarian mercenaries have intentionally padded their numbers by having lots of people sign whom they knew where not legally qualified to sign, just so they could bilk the party out of more money.
So comparing running TV commercials to running ballot access drives is not a valid comparison.
I moved it up to the top of the front page just in case anyone was not aware it was in existence.
Still wondering why I bothered to put this up
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/06/libertarian-national-convention-2014-pre-game-thread/
So it all worked out for the best.
Case: The Carpetbaggers for Eli, Indianapolis 2002. MA added a stack of extra Indianans to its delegation, thereby increasing the number of delegate votes for one of the National Chair candidates…not that it did him any good.
How frequently? Personally, I consider my oversized frame to be my one and only true domicile, so that I am a resident of whatever state I happen to be in. IE hysteria, confusion, etc.
Not sure what this tortured logic is aiming at. Suppose we take 2008 when Nevada did not want Root to be one of their delegates. Was he giving them extra representation by sitting with another state?
I’ve only hopscotched once, in 2000, when Alabama gave me an unclear answer about being one of their delegates. I couldn’t care less which state I sat with since I represented myself and nothing else. Did Alabama gain any extra clout because I was allowed to sit with Michigan? Nope. Not a single vote I cast had anything to do with having furniture in Alabama.
In fact I can’t think of a single case where a state got extra clout this way. Just individual delegates.
Your understanding is incorrect. Many of my friends from Nevada sat with other states, including right next to me.
I am not against freedom of association. You are free to choose the state you live in, and therefore associate with and represent.
Representation for states is determined by ByLaws that were commonly agreed to, which include the method of determining the number of delegates (representatives) a state is allowed. Allowing overflow from a state with excess representation to be placed in other states disenfranchises states — especially smaller ones — since the state with excess attendees now has representation (and therefore voting power) beyond that agreed to. In other political venues this is sometimes referred to by phrases like “ballot stuffing”, “vote rigging”, etc. Our conventions just seem to accept it.
What incentive does a smaller state have to operate under the ByLaws if larger states (and sometimes host states) are permitted to skirt the rules? I will note here that it is my understanding that Nevada, a smaller state party, did not do this when they hosted in 2012.
This is similar to saying in a game of basketball…well the other team brought a lot of extra players so while you only get to field five per the rules, they will be allowed to put seven on the court at a time so that all their players can play.
Oops – I forgot I was supposed to be interviewing Paulie. I asked Paulie again about the possibility of being drafted for LNC and here is what Paulie said to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLdBi-VyZLI
That would be a wasted vote since I would decline nomination and decline to serve.
Paulie, Just because you aren’t running doesn’t mean we can’t vote for you.
Mr. Flood’s position against freedom of association notwithstanding, New York will continue to welcome delegates without a home who wish to join our delegation. In 2010, the National Secretary joined New York as the Missouri delegation (his home and the hosting state) was full; similarly in 2012 we provided spots for several Nevadans to be delegates.
It is very common for the hosting state to have its delegation filled, especially if it is a relatively small population state (not the case this year) and therefore has only a few delegate spots allotted to it.
Oh, we could not care less where one is registered with the government to vote. New York LP does not have residency requirements, but one must join the LPNY to be a New York delegate.
I spoke with Moulton this evening. He is running.
You would hope.
So the new building’s insured then..
Paulie was reached recently about serving again on the LNC. Here is the message his spokesperson conveyed to me as coming directly from Paulie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc
Paulie,
To Paraphrase a great American:
“He don’t know me Vewwy Well, Do He? “
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
Besides, how sane can someone who talks to himself and refers to himself in the third person be?
🙂
I’m afraid one term has used up most of what little sanity I had going into it. Two would be far too much.
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/06/libertarian-national-convention-2014-pre-game-thread/
Paulie,
Oh, Come on, Please?
We need at least ONE sane person on it, Well, Libertarian Sane.
BTW I put up a “pre-game” thread for this discussion, but apparently people prefer this one.
Vohra and Hinkle confirmed. Pojunis and Starchild rumored. I’ve heard nothing of Redpath having any interest. Wrights is apparently not even going to be at the convention at all.
Definitely Mattson, maybe but probably not Moulton, probably not Johnson.
I have directly confirmed that Paulie will not run for nor accept any position in the next LNC. He told me he would begin to consider it if offered a salary of at least $100,000 a year for that purpose, but that no such offers are even remotely on the table.
However, delegates are free to find someone else who actually has the name Paulie Cannoli, if such a person exists, unlike the Paulie who is on the current LNC.
And of course, At Large: Paulie Cannoli.
They need more than one Paulie.
Not necessarily. For example, someone may not register to vote to protest voter fraud, or because they object to the words “so help me God” in the pledge they sign to register (the part that says they are a citizen, not a felon and so on). Or any number of other reasons.
I know at least one person who is not registered because their state will not allow them to register as LP.
Not everyone has one of those.
I also pointed out some other examples and will add some – someone who failed to update their registration, someone whose registration paperwork is screwed up by the state (they may think they are registered and not be), someone in the process of moving, someone with two residences on both sides of a state line or splitting the year evenly between two states; someone like me who travels full time year round, someone too young to vote or not yet a US citizen, someone who has renounced their US citizenship to live in a tax haven but still spends part of the year in the US, and so on.
I should also mention that many petitioners register to vote in various states where we work for professional reasons, and that I used to do so back when I had a current ID and could therefore register to vote. Where I registered to vote did not have much to do with anything else; now that I no longer have a current ID, and can’t get one because I don’t use an SS number anymore, I can’t register to vote even in states that don’t bar me for being a felon.
But some states do such as convention hosts states and a few others.
There are also cases of people being turned away from delegations because of factional differences with their state leadership, although other states are happy to have them.
National Committee Candidates, according to statement or rumor
Chair: Nick Sarwark, Geoff Neale, NOTA
Vice Chair: Alvin Vohra, perhaps Starchild, perhaps Bill Redpath, Mark Hinkle, NOTA. I have more-or-less directly confirmed that Lee Wrights will not be running for re-election.
Secretary: Chuck Moulton, perhaps Alicia Mattson, Gary Johnson, NOTA. I have directly confirmed that Dave Blau will not be running for re-election.
Treasurer: no information.
At-Large: perhaps Starchild.
People are denied the right to vote for any number of reasons, including age, alleged mental capacity, prior criminal record, condition of being imprisoned, etc. At least some libertarians would disagree with at least some of these reasons, but we are not yet the majority party.
If someone is intentionally not registered to vote, then they are being hypocritical to attend any party’s convention. But if they are being denied their right to register to vote by the state, then they should be seated in the delegation of their primary state of residence.
Who are we turning away? States usually can’t fill their delegations as it is.
The vast majority of states will not fill up all their possible spots.
What about someone who is not allowed to register to vote or chooses not to be – can’t be a delegate? What if someone hasn’t updated their registration, they can’t be a delegate from their new state then?
Also, why not allow states to seat additional delegates of their choosing? Some people have connection to more than one state, some states may be full and have people who need spots while others have extra space. Some people may have a political issue with their state leadership so they can’t be seated with their state.
I don’t see why we should turn away able and willing delegates when we have plenty of empty spots.
The current rule is that it is up to each delegation who represents them, and it would be a fundamental altering of the relationship between the states and the national party to alter that. I believe it should remain up to the states with the constraints being of their own choosing only.
I don’t know, I’m counting 4-5 states that would not fill, and I haven’t even started yet. Next week could be more. Now With Oregon as an exception: California, Hawaii, Washington State may be others that may be half filled or less.
Delegation hop-scotch needs to be eliminated. You should only be allowed to be seated as a delegate for the state you are registered to vote in.
LNC regional reps are picked according to rules decided on by the region. I recently heard that the default is actually to have the state chairs (or maybe delegation chairs) *only* pick the rep and alternate unless the region agreement specifically states otherwise. I *think* most regions in practice have been allowing all their delegates to vote on the region reps. In my region we had an open (not secret) vote of all the delegates on it every time I can recall. In my case I was picked by the state chairs because I was filling a vacancy. I *think* that, if your region allows non-chairs to help vote on the region reps, you would probably be counted as being a member of the state whose delegate you are, rather than where you actually live, but that may be up to the region.
Sorry all, Another question.
Say I am seated with, Oh, Alabama to pick one out of region. But I am a member of Another region’s Party.
Am I able to vote on my LNC district member in My Home region, My Delegation’s Region, or Both? I already Know I will have one question for anyone I vote for who can approve party funding, so I just need to know who I need to read up on if I am there when final elections are done.
I happen to agree with you, but someone else my look at it like hiring a TV or radio station or newspaper to run your ad. Like most media outlets, who don’t care what party or candidate places an ad as long as they can afford the going rate, most petitioners don’t care what political side pays them, as long as they pay enough and on time. Most people would not consider it rational to reject advertising with a media outlet based on the opposition advertising with them, so some people view petitioners and what petitions they carry the same way.
“while be so ignorant”
Should read, “while being so ignorant…”
What kind of fucking jackass of a Libertarian would knowingly hire somebody who worked on a Top Two Primary initiative?
Sure, a person could claim ignorance about what Top Two Primary was really for, but this is 2014, and it is really easy to look stuff up online now. I know lots of petitioners have smart phones, and even ones who don’t, many have computers, and even for the few that may not have smart phones or computers, it is not hard to go to a library or a FedEx store to use a computer. So ignorance in this day and age is not really an excuse.
I’d bet that some of them did know what it was for, and worked it anyway. Out of the ones who did not really know what it was for, these people are either stupid or are intellectually lazy. This reminds me of members of Congress who vote for a bill, but then when questioned about the bill, admit that they did not even read it before voting on it. If you did not read or understand a bill, then maybe it would be a good idea to not vote for it, or at least abstain from voting on it.
So do the members of the Libertarian Party really want people out on the street representing them as petition circulators who’d know what Top Two Primary is and work on it anyway because they want money? Do the members of the Libertarian Party really want people out on the streets representing them as petitioners who’d work on a Top Two Primary initiative, while be so ignorant that they do not even know what Top Two Primary really does?
“paulie June 21, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Probably quite a few. And in most likelihood nothing you say will stop them from doing so.”
Well, this only means that “they” are fools who need to be replaced, and need to be prohibited from ever holding any office or position in the Libertarian Party ever again, and I would also prohibit them from ever being candidates for the Libertarian Party as well.
Probably quite a few. And in most likelihood nothing you say will stop them from doing so.
“Wes Wagner June 21, 2014 at 8:35 am
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/06/backers_of_top_two_nonpartisan.html
Top two will be on the ballot in Oregon this November.
I will have details for the convention.”
Don’t forget to send a big thanks to all of those wonderful non-libertarian mercenary petition signature gatherers out there, as well as the non-libertarian mercenary petition coordinator(s), who helped gather enough signatures to place this wonderful Top Two Primary initiative on the ballot in Oregon.
I wonder how many of the people who worked on this thing have worked on Libertarian Party ballot access drives in the past, and how many will do so in the weeks, months, and years to come.
Yep, I predicted that too.
It was not 54 by longtime top two activist that made it but rather 55 that had a crapload of money dumped on it by relatively few people.
The democratic party is already opposing it and it sounds like the republican rank and file is opposing it too. If we post a solid third party opposition as well we may be able to defeat it 2:1 again.
I will have more details in columbus.
Told ya…
http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/06/backers_of_top_two_nonpartisan.html
Top two will be on the ballot in Oregon this November.
I will have details for the convention.
Rob Oates
10:20 AM (2 hours ago)
to LP-State
Idaho will have room, too.
Rob Oates, Chair
Libertarian Party of Idaho
Caldwell, Idaho
The Libertarian Party of Idaho — http://lpid.org
The latest from Saturn’s Repository:
http://saturnsrepository.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/nazi-hunting-is-not-a-noble-pursuit/
Andy,
You can read (or hear if you want to download the podcasts) more of Judge Gray’s perspective on more of what he calls “functional libertarianism” here —
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/05/judge-gray-on-coast-to-coast-am-gj-2016-war-on-drugs-cpd-lawsuit-etc
I’ll not be supporting his efforts to run for office again. I’m not interested in a debate club either; I am interested in VOTING FOR an advocate of self-ownership, the NAP, the end of 99 percent of the current government we have on this planet (and maybe 98 percent of the government we have in the USA) OR voting for NONE OF THE ABOVE.
Joe
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/libertarian-statism-in-wa/
Libertarian Statism in WA
Laurence M. Vance
In response to my article today, a reader writes about his experience at a recent Libertarian Party convention in Washington state:
“Among meeting several statists at the recent Libertarian Party convention in my state, I got to listen to Judge Jim Gray speak. He said the party needs to ‘stop being a philosophical debate club’ and just ‘needs to focus on running candidates’. But if you take philosophy out of libertarianism, what do we have left? I wasn’t too surprised to hear him declare later ‘America needs a strong military’ but was astonished when he justified the invasion of Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries. For a minute I thought I had accidentally attended the Republican convention.”
Gray is a former VP candidate for the LP. This is yet another reason why libertarian does not necessarily mean Libertarian Party.
George Phillies
9:17 PM (1 hour ago)
to me
It would be nice if you have a Libertarian NatCon open thread.
Mark hilgenberg
10:42 PM (2 minutes ago)
to statechairs
Utah will have room also.
Thanks,
Mark Hilgenberg
Chair Libertarian Party of Utah
Rich Tomasso
9:05 PM (3 minutes ago)
to statechairs
Barring a last-minute flurry of interest, there will be openings in the NH delegation should any state be full up and have some nice people who would like to fully participate in the convention.
Please email me off-list with interest.
Thanks,
Rich
[email protected]
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http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/statechairs_hq.lp.org
Petitioners form union?
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/16848/pro_marijuana_canvassers_strike_over_unpaid_wages
“A crew of nine marijuana legalization canvassers walked off their jobs and into the Portland office of the Industrial Workers of the World June 5, looking to form a union.”
OK, So AL and GA are Possibles, NY is a Probable with funding, MA is a No, OH and KY are full.
NC/CO? OR if the State-endorsed party is the recognized Credentialed party?
And this thread led me to something in fact crazier than the OR mess, and that scares the hell out of me.
Thanks Pauly/Mark/George for your help.
He’s more of a [shrug] than an LOL at this point.
Dave Terry–
LOL!!!
Fortunately, we believe in freedom of choice.
If you want to join the number one delegation in the LP, it’s $25.00. If you want to be in some other dinky delegation, you adhere to their rules.
Also, we don’t require no stinkin’ name tags 🙂
Seriously, since we need $40,000-plus every two years to get on the ballot, a modest membership fee towards expenses is appropriate. Most LPNY members are very generous and contribute much, much more.
Lotsy and others are welcome to talk with me in Columbus about joining the LPNY and being part of our delegation if so inclined; we certainly will be able to accomodate several people from other states who want to be part of the New York delegation. New York does not have a residency requirement.
“Vernon June 17, 2014 at 10:41 pm”
Hey look everybody, the federal troll/provocateur “Vernon” is back. Welcome back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6o0Cah5kQU
How much work would it take for several hundred White Nationalist activists who support Rand Paul to join the Libertarians and become delegates to the 2016 national convention, to make sure they do not run a presidential candidate against Rand Paul and hand the election to Hillary Clinton? I believe I know enough Stormtroopers who are ready, willing and able to carry out this operation behind enemy lines. We will make sure the Likudatarian Posers run NOTA for president in 2016 rather than their Zionist bootlicker “fair tax” Gary Johnson.
In 2002, the Carpetbaggers for Eli — they had little nametags saying that, several of them — did not have to pay to join the MA delegation. We no longer accept out of state people as delegates.
Pretty sure that some states don’t charge $ although I did pay $25 to Michigan in 2000 because they were the first state to give me a definite yes (for a price) while others hemmed and hawed.
> “If you want to be a member of the premier delegation to the Convention, you must join the LPNY (cost is $25)
TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!!!!! Just wait ’til the Wagnerites find out about this!!!!!
Imagine, charging people for the right to vote! :>)
Lotsy–
I am the Chair of the New York delegation. We have 41 spaces and currently only 18 enrolled members, so we would welcome you to join us. If you want to be a member of the premier delegation to the Convention, you must join the LPNY (cost is $25) which you can do at http://www.ny.lp.org, sign the pledge and let me know you have done so and want to be part of the LPNY delegation so I can get you credentialed. I will be there all four days (including LSLA on the 26th).
It’s much cooler to be part of LPNY than some mid-western college football-watching, casserole-eating state which will remain nameless but is high in the middle and round on the ends.
New PPP Poll on NC Senate Race
Haugh still at 11%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2014/06/hagan-lead-up-to-5-with-unpopular-legislature-in-session.html
Credentials committee may only have one scheduled meeting, but there is normally a credentials report at least once or twice a day with an opportunity to add additional people. Feel free to call; my new number is 205-534-1622 but I am still using the old one for voicemail, 415-690-6352 – haven’t figured how to set up voicemai on the new one yet.
Paulie,
I may not be there for all 3 business days, or for that matter any, I have to check, but I see credentials only meets once on Friday Morning. I may need to call you and see. Thanks
Not Protect, Leave. See Saigon.
“Let’s hope it’s just to help the Embassy”
We’re not there to protect the Embassy. That’s just nonsensical propaganda.
BTW I do believe Ohio has places available? I think that was the point of them getting all those new national members, so they would have more delegation spots and allow Ohio folks to sit with their state?
I think so. At least I was in the past when I had to do it. I think a list will also be available if it isn’t already. And there will be people milling round other than just on the floor. I can probably hook you up with a spot with Alabama or Georgia.
Paulie, Are we allowed on the floor uncredentialed to find them? Not sure how many days I can stay, but have to come see.
Add a stanza to my prior message
Taxes for you.
Profits for me.
All in the name
of Li-Ber-Ty.
Maybe the US could help ISIS take over faster.
Let’s hope it’s just to help the Embassy leave when it’s time.
US Invades Iraq again!
It’s more addictive than chocolate!
War, war, glorious war!
We just don’t know
what we’re fighting for.
For the third time in a quarter century, the United States is sending troops to Iraq, where they will be met by cheering crowds and showered with rose petals.
This time, we are *propping up* their not-quite-dictator and his Potemkin village army so they can keep on trying to oppress their fellow Iraqis.
Just ask the delegation chairs when you are there.
Paulie, How would one get in to ask?
Also, If The Recognized LPOregon is boycotting, that would be an exception of course.
I’m not sure if anyone has such a list compiled, but ask around and you will find states that will acept people. I’m pretty sure we have openings in Alabama and we have taken in people in the past. There have been lots of states that had openings at the previous five national conventions I went to and I am sure this one will be no different.
OK, Does anyone have a list of Filled Delegate positions for LP by State, and if any state with openings allow out-of-staters to fill vacancies?
You have to keep scrolling, it loads eventually.
Perhaps I had an upload issue, but when I went to the bottom a day ago the upload stopped with the Neale comments.
FB: The stuff at the bottom is older than what is at the top, so the articles about Hinkle predate many of the other ones.
As NOTA is running there is always an alternative.
Mark Hinkle was added relatively recently.
As, for example “MARK HINKLE — USED PARTY FUNDS FOR HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN.”
I had not heard this one before, though the documentation is very impressive.
From http://www.facebook.com/BadLNCBehavior
Quite possibly. That is what LNC elections are for. The folks putting together this page could run candidates or endorse candidates for LNC. Are they doing so or merely pointing out the problems that exist without suggesting an alternative?
Agreed.
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/05/after-party-were-just-getting-started/ posted May 8
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2014/04/opposition-news-2-new-political-parties-veterans-after-party/ posted April 16
I doubt the person(s) running the page are fans of Ms. Hawkridge.
He was/is. Scroll down.
Dunno, but a reading would indicate someone aligned with Starr/Mattson/Lieberman or perhaps one or more of them themselves.
Thanks. I made a few comments.
I think it’s good that she’s taking initiative to pick up the slack from Blau.
I considered trying to get an audio recording of the July meeting to create minutes where none exist, but ultimately I decided it would be more polite to defer to the elected secretary (wait for him to do that stuff or ask if he wants help rather than going around him) and a LNC unwilling or unable to remove a secretary not doing the job is also unlikely to utilize minutes from someone else. I admire Alicia’s initiative even though it’s not the approach I would take.
Mattson makes move to be elected Secretary.
LfA readers will note an extremely long list of items that the current Secretary has not completed, like minutes of meetings. We published it in our June issue.
Alicia Mattson has now sent the LNC notice that she will be sending them a set of ” updates to unapproved minutes from this term” that they can approve at their last meeting of the current LNC’s term.
“I have confirmed that the Bylaws survey is legitimate.”
Thanks, Prof. Phillies.
“Hi guys. Is anyone at Independent Political Report going to do a write up on the After Party?
http://www.afterpartyusa.org/”
I’ve posted a few articles, but after the furor raised over a Communist Party story, I’m now prioritizing stories about parties that are running candidates, or have fielded candidates in the recent past.
I have confirmed that the Bylaws survey is legitimate.
Will the Bylaws Committee survey count? I spent a great deal of time on the platform committee survey only to find out that it was rogue. As The Who song says… “We won’t be fooled again!”
Hi guys. Is anyone at Independent Political Report going to do a write up on the After Party?
http://www.afterpartyusa.org/
The main thing that sets this party apart is it would be a mutual aid group for 364 days out of the year, and an electoral party 1 day out of the year. The hope is that if the party is rooted in the community and the community’s needs, then it will avoid the identiarian politics imposed by the (corrupt) system and its platform will be an authentic response to the needs of the community. The manifesto is powerful and shows the influence of OWS. While it is quite radical, it speaks to the authentic desire among the people for rational organization of society towards public health and the well-being of individual humans and our planet as a whole, rather than the madness of billionaire-manipulated market forces that have led us to the ecological crisis we face today.
Let the haters hate, but I’ll go out on a limb and suggest that the After Party’s platform is an authentic anarcho-influenced approach to politics; while the LIbertarian party is (sadly) only offering more of the same market-based mumbo-jumbo favoring the ruling corporate interests.
The folks who mistreated Rachel Hawkridge also deserve mention.
I do wish Mark Hinkle had been featured. His behavior towards Starchild was awful.
“Here you can see how some people on the LNC treat each other. I will leave it to you to choose whether to laugh or cry.
http://www.facebook.com/BadLNCBehavior ”
I hadn’t seen this one until now. Who put it up? Not I, or it would have been publicized on Liberty for America.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/va-court-convicts-gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh/2014/06/12/30eb6d3c-f262-11e3-9ebc-2ee6f81ed217_story.html
That’s too bad.
I’ll admit, I don’t quite know what to make of Kokesh. I often find myself admiring his guts, while questioning his judgment.
In any case, reading through some of the comments from the linked article was a pretty depressing experience.
Wow, thanks for the link, Laugh or Cry. I wish some of Mark Hinkle’s arrogant treatment toward Starchild was posted. Mark has forgotten, apparently, that he and Starchild are of equal rank on thje LNC. Oh yeah, and delegates did NOT vote Mark Hinkle in, yet I believe Starchild was toward the top, as far as the amount of delegate votes received.
Here you can see how some people on the LNC treat each other. I will leave it to you to choose whether to laugh or cry.
http://www.facebook.com/BadLNCBehavior
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/va-court-convicts-gun-rights-activist-adam-kokesh/2014/06/12/30eb6d3c-f262-11e3-9ebc-2ee6f81ed217_story.html
> “Unless or until you change the bylaws, NOTA will be an option on every LP ballot” “In the LP, we do NOTA correctly, insomuch as there are new candidates required” “I think NOTA is a time- honored, well respected candidate for the LP” <
On the contrary, NOTA is some phantom that holds the door for the real leaders yet to be elected.
Hey Jill, you are just a stone's throw from Disneyland, I understand that, through the years,
Mickey Mouse has been a well respected and oft chosen candidate.
Libertarian candidates for U.S. Senate and House in Montana to be included in debates with major-party opponents:
http://ravallirepublic.com/news/state-and-regional/article_3f7f679a-b592-511c-85f0-6141e9c28799.html
Libertarian candidate for Iowa governor protests exclusion from pubic television debate:
https://www.facebook.com/hieb2014/photos/a.216357671895918.1073741827.216354298562922/250676448464040/?type=1&permPage=1
http://whotv.com/2014/06/13/candidate-unhappy-over-iptv-gubernatorial-debate-exclusion/
The bylaws committee survey is out:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/LMK6RWG
I think NOTA is a time- honored, well respected candidate for the LP.
Unless or until you change the bylaws, NOTA will be an option on every LP ballot.
In the LP, we do NOTA correctly, insomuch as there are new candidates required. Nevada does it wrong, allowing the first runner-up to NOTA to advance to the general election ballot.
>> “None of the above’ beats out all Demo governor candidates in Nevada” <<
Another perfect example why NOTA should NOT be an option on any LP ballot.
Whereas, more than 2/3 of Nevada Democrats chose not to even go to the polls,
it is clear that none of the candidates had ANY measurable support in the state.
It is equally clear that the choice of "NOTA" is simply adding insult to an injury of
a meaningless democratic process.
Interesting things just keep happening in Nevada:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/elections/none-above-beats-out-all-demo-governor-candidates-nevada
The Libertarian Party of Oregon once again is fielding a record number of candidates:
http://lporegon.org/index.php/2014-elections/2014-primary-results
Important survey data on political divisions — the typology that lets them detect Libertarians is next week.
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/for-further-reading/
Political firmly liberal or firmly conservative are concentrating. The country now appears to have more liberals than conservatives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkJdEFf_Qg4
I don’t see how anyone could watch this video and still believe the official government story about 9/11. It is blatantly obvious that the NIST guy is lying through his teeth here.
9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU
The Reform Party of North Carolina is attempting a ballot access drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZViuts8RQRY
There is a lot of phoney baloney conspiracialogy that uses Mr Snowden and the NSA for their own ridiculaous conspiracy purposes. But here are two documentaries on the actual existing conspiracies among the US and other governments and the multinational data/security corporations. The’y are long, but as exciting as any thriller. And the secondary interviews are often outstanding as well.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/
Stormcloudsgathering hits the nail on the head, as usual.
Snowden, The NSA and a Crime of High Treason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXMG-rl8fY
FYI
WAR on Jesse Ventura’s “Off The Grid” today.
http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/wayne-allyn-root-goes-offthegrid-0_58df9pum4ydx
I’ve heard it all before…
PEACE
Our friend Darryl Perry is giving away a free book today:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/events/543980099044411/545312685577819/?comment_id=545404802235274¬if_t=like
Louisville TV station refuses to invite LP candidate for KY Senate to McConnell-Grimes debate
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/politics/tv-network-says-libertarian-candidate-has-no-money-can-t-win/article/385420
From IVN: “How Professional Journalism Reinforces Partisanship” …and stifles third-parties and independents.
http://ivn.us/2014/06/04/professional-journalism-reinforces-partisanship/
Latest from Saturn’s Repository:
http://saturnsrepository.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/nfl-stands-for-free-speech-tradition/
The Libertarian candidate for Florida Governor Adrian Wyllie gets his day in court!
http://cltampa.com/politicalanimal/archives/2014/06/04/libertarian-gubernatorial-candidate-adrian-wyllie-gets-his-day-in-court?showFullText=true
from Adrian’s Facebook wall:
“The arraignment hearing went exactly as I had hoped this morning. No political retribution. No drama. The judge offered a reduced charge, with no possibility of jail time and only a $116 fine, in exchange for a “guilty” plea from me.
I refused the plea deal. I entered a plea of “not guilty” on Constitutional grounds, and moved for a trial by jury. I will post an update when the jury trial is scheduled. Thanks to everyone for your support.”
https://www.facebook.com/WyllieForGovernor/posts/746899408706035
Adrian will be a guest on a local cable news show in Orlando on Sunday:
http://mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/politics/political-connections.html
The American Nazi Party Is Also a Grammar-Nazi Party http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/06/03/nazi_grammar_tweet_american_nazi_party_recommends_careful_spelling_and_punctuation.html
Why Are Domestic Terror Suspects Federal Informants?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxQeliERIDo
Josie the Outlaw: The End of Oppression – Part 1: The Problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7cJFjyVLvk
Wake Up America: The Rise of the Police State
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7yVXWOqbdQ
“Mark Axinn June 2, 2014 at 11:42 am
IPR contributor Paul Frankel as well as Bill Redpath and Mark Axinn will be leading an LSLA seminar on petitioning on June 26 at 1pm.
Be there or be square.”
If I’m not there then the seminar will not be as good as it could be.
Just a heads up for candidates. This week is Hemp History week. There are events planned all over the country. If your campaign deals with cannabis reform, this is a great chance for publicity on a topic gaining momentum. You can search their website and find one near you.
Go Hemp!!
Love the photo.
The funny thing about walls is, it isn’t the bricks that make a prison, but the lack of exits.
(or who possesses the KEYS!)
IPR contributor Paul Frankel as well as Bill Redpath and Mark Axinn will be leading an LSLA seminar on petitioning on June 26 at 1pm.
Be there or be square.