The following was published on the Independent American & Constitutional Review (IA&CR) on June 9, 2013. Joshua Fauver is a former Constitution Party activist who is currently a registered Republican. He is involved in the Robby Wells 2016 independent presidential campaign and is the volunteer coordinator for Free and Equal Elections Foundation.
Dale Dorch was the Constitution Party of Illinois’s candidate for the state house of representatives in 2012. He received 3.14% of the vote. He was the only CP candidate on the ballot in Illinois that year. Don Stone has close ties to CP National Vice-Chairman Randy Stufflebeam. Stone was going to serve at as Stufflebeam’s campaign manager were he to run for U.S. Senate in 2014; however, after forming an exploratory committee, Stufflebeam ultimately decided not to run.
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After Mohammed’s death in 632, the new Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr, launched Islam into almost 1,500 years of continual imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war, a role Islam continues to this very day.http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/IslamHistory0212.aspx
1,400 Years of Islamic Aggression: An Analysis
Regent University Board of Trustees member, Mr. Richard Csaplar, responds to a recent U.S. News & World Report article on the Crusades, writing, “I was very disappointed to see that U.S. News would publish a clearly false article, adopting the world’s clearly false, politically correct (PC) view of…
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Joshua Fauver: Can’t wait to see an analysis of Charlemagne and the Carolingian dynasty!
Dale Dorch: Joshua Fauver it is nothing like the article I posted and no where near the point I am making. So, if you are here to start trouble, forget about it buddy.
Joshua Fauver: Not starting trouble Dale, just if we’re discussing history, it’s my field of study and just trying to contribute to this conversation!
Dale Dorch: Ok, then why did you make this statement? We are talking about 1400 years of murder that still continues. Compared to 137 years compared to the Carolingian dynasty.
Joshua Fauver: I thought the point needed to be made that historically Christians do have a bloodier history. I feel it is foolish to pain the Muslims in such a dark history when a quick study of the very first Christian king is just as dark and bloody if not bloodier than the history of Muslim kingdoms. But I mean I could go on, various inquisitions, which hunts, crusades, etc. lets not forget our own past is all I’m suggesting Mr. Dorch, lest we repeat it.
Dale Dorch: You are wrong sir! Christians have been persecuted for 2,000 years. That means since Jesus. Persians have been killing since 500 BC and then Muhammad went on a killing spree in 600 AD, just for plunder. Constantinople was taken way before the Holly war or any crusades. Your problem is that you have been indoctrinated by your schooling. I also studied this area and wrote papers on it at SIU. I actually almost got kicked out of a class for proving my point and was correct. I now know where you stand.
Joshua Fauver: I stand with history. Christina’s have been persecuted true enough, but I you’re going to run around with a victimized mentality sir, be my guest. But Christianity’s early history is dark and very bloody. If you can’t look back and acknowledge the mistakes we’ve made along he way to get where we are and to learn from them, then you’re destined to see them repeated sir.
Dale Akers: No worries, Dale. Some people just won’t accept that some have changed while others continue in their ways. The “intellectuals” will believe the history books alone even though they are written by the victor, and refuse to see the current events.
Mike Eaton: no one denied that fact that many things have done in early Christianity, however if you were to actually look at the real numbers…Islam has been far more brutal and killed many more people in the name of Allah…the difference…is the Bible does not promote it…but the Quran does..
Don Stone: Christians do NOT have a bloodier history. That is a flat out lie. Muslims have killed people since day one! I curse the name of Allah and Islam. They are from the devil … so take your lies and go somewhere else with them. You lost, go home.
Joshua Fauver: Christians do not have a bloody history? Just look at the Christianization of pagans, or heck, all of Europe was christian and the British empire and the French, and the Spanish all fought wars against one another. The Revolutionary war, Civil War, World War One, World War Two, all fought by Christians. Not even mention the Crusades, or the Spanish Inquisition, which hunts. How can you claim our history isn’t bloody?
Don Stone: Most wars that Christians fought in were because they were being attacked, in which God allows us to kill if our lives or our families’ lives are in danger. Some, such as the those who were involved in the Inquisition, were just fake Christians, such as fake Constitution Party members that I used to know.
Joshua Fauver: So it is justified to kill fake Christians? That’s absurd. Explain the Civil War, the British, the French, and the Spanish all fighting? Those were Christian nations. The Revolutionary War? The French Revolution? The Mexican war? We fought nations who shared our faith. Our history is indeed a bloody one.
Joshua Fauver: And man is in no place to judge whether someone is a “fake” christian or not. Man is not the judge.
Don Stone: We can discern if they are obeying the Bible; if they are not, then they are fake.
Don Stone: We can discern if they are obeying the party platform; if they are not, then they are fake.
Mike Eaton: the civil war? since when was that fought for christ? when was ww1 or ww2 fought for christian reasons? a christian being involved does not automatically qualify the conflict as being of christian origin
Joshua Fauver: If a the war is fought by a Christian people, against another Christian people, I’m sorry, it qualifies.
Don Stone: “You will know them by their works.”
Don Stone: NO, it does not. More of your twisted ideology I see.
Mike Eaton: sorry but that logic failed as it is does not fly
Joshua Fauver: It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
Don Stone: Mike, his logic is twisted, as is his political ideology.
Joshua Fauver: You’re all idiots. I’m glad I left this theocratic nut job party.
Don Stone: God gives us the discernment to know the truth and call out liars.
Don Stone: LOL….. I made him break already… wow, I am good.
Mike Eaton: idiots lol ok i guess i must be an idiot if i can’t accept failed logic
Joshua Fauver: This coming from the guy who when confronted with scripture (A gives up and refuses to come back. For some inexplicable reason claims it just proves his point.
Don Stone: Mike, Josh supports gay marriage, pot, and thinks abortion should be decided on the state level. He is a Libertarian PaulBot masquerading as a Constitution Party Member, then a Republican; he can’t decide what he wants to be.
Joshua Fauver: I mean You call the idea of the trinity a satanic lie, and then cussed me up and down for saying I support Bradley manning, which by the way in case you missed it, Darrel Castle does too.
Joshua Fauver: I’m a republican Don.
Don Stone: The trinity is a lie. I proved to to you Josh.
Don Stone: You don’t know what you are… you would be a Commie if they accepted you into their party and let you run for office.
Don Stone: NO>.. I cussed you because you made a lewd sexual remark about my wife!!@@
Don Stone: Then Castle is wrong.
Joshua Fauver: I proved it wasn’t with a plethora of scriptures. I made a general point, it wasn’t directed toward your wife personally, you also suggested I was gay. So don’t be a tit, take what you dish out.
Mike Eaton: not too sure i’d be so swift in calling myself a republican these days…i prefer to call myself a consitutionalist…these days republican or democrat are just 2 flavors of the same poison ‘
Joshua Fauver: I meant my party registration.
Don Stone: NO Josh, you made a direct remark about her, and I will handle it if you ever show up at a meeting. I will expose you for the low life you are.
Mike Eaton: yes so? i’m registered as “other” as there is no designation for a consitutionalist
Don Stone: If you support gays and gay marriage=you are gay.
Joshua Fauver: No, my intention with that remark was not directed at her, it was a very general remark. There you go judging intent again. And no, that is flawed logic.
Joshua Fauver: That would make as much since as saying if you support the right to worship Christ, you are a christian.
Don Stone: Josh, if you ever mention my wife again like you did… you wont ever run for office. Now drop it little boi.
Don Stone: Only queers support gay marriage. Real Christians do NOT.
Joshua Fauver: And I don’t support gay marriage, just having studied the Constituiton there is nowhere written in it authority for the federal government to dictate marriage. NO WHERE! And again, I was not meaning anything derogatory towards your wife. It was a very general statement applicable to any married couple. And your logic is flawed. I don’t support gay marriage personally, I agree that it is a sin, the act of homosexuality, but God gave man the ability to decide to be a sinner or a believe who lives a holy life style.
Don Stone: We do NOT have to accept their perversion and make it legal. They have NO right to marry. There is no way to get government out of marriage, it is too established. You stated “I support gay marriage equality to the fullest, no limits”
Joshua Fauver: I said I support equal rights to the fullest, no limits. And I do on a federal level. Under the tenth amendment, the states can make decisions on marriage. Federal government cannot.
Don Stone: Gays do not have the right to marry. It is not a right for perverts.
Don Stone: Get real.
Don Stone: It is not an equal right if you do not deserve it.
Joshua Fauver: I suppose you believe the freedom of religion does not apply to muslims either.
Don Stone: Now, go away, back to the RINO’s in Louisiana, I will warn all my friends in LA to stay away from you. I am sooooooooooo glad you are not in the CP anymore.
Don Stone: They can practice their cult as long as they do not try to kill anyone. Which will never happen, they are murdering animals. IF they try to slaughter us, they have no rights.
Joshua Fauver: I’m glad to be gone. And the constitution party needs to rename itself. It’s deceptive. There is nothing constitutional about your party. NOTHING!
Don Stone: LOL… a little boi crying… We are more constitutional than you Paulians… Im sure you support those whack jobs, Ventura and Kokesh.
Don Stone: I know how to push your buttons… it is so much fun. You tried to deceive the CP but I could see right through you from the start. I only regret that I didn’t get to show who you were at the meeting… I am disappointed that you slept in.
Joshua Fauver: I don’t support Ventura or Kokesh. And claiming gays don’t have rights where there is no constitutional basis for such an idiotic claim is unconstitutional. The tenth amendment applies that the state gets to make laws where the constitution doesn’t specifically provide for the federal government to have the authority to do so. And just a reminder, Pastor Chuck Baldwin endorsed Ron Paul. Ron Paul is more of a christian, a man, and constitutionalists than any of you in the C.P are.
Don Stone: Well, I am glad you feel that way about them. 2 points extra credit for you !
Don Stone: Being gay is not a right. Where is it in the Constitution…. name the article and section, please.
Joshua Fauver: and push my buttons? Please sir, don’t flatter yourself. I don’t remember having ever privately messaged you and cussing you like a dog while claiming to oh so christian.
Don Stone: Ron Paul supports killing babies, ergo, he is no Christian.
Don Stone: Again, you made a lewd remark about my wife. Say it again and see what happens.
Joshua Fauver: It isn’t, but we have the right to pursue happiness. Secondly the constitution doesn’t list our rights, it lists the authorities of the government. Please read our tenth amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor…See More
Don Stone: I made you call us all idiots, ergo, I pushed your buttons.
Don Stone: Weak young liberals like you are what’s wrong with this nation.
Joshua Fauver: I made a very general statement not directed at your wife personally. You cussed me like a dog while claiming to be a spirit filled christian, I believe one of the fruits of the spirit is self control, and you sir have none.
Don Stone: Talk about my wife and I will crush you Joshie Boi
Joshua Fauver: Oh, see, no self control. Spirit filled my foot.
Don Stone: Don’t need self control when I correct you for making a sexual remark about my wife, any real man here would do the same thing.
Don Stone: My Holy Ghost pastor would do the same thing if you said what you said about my wife to his wife.
Joshua Fauver: See, you’re a weak christian. Finding undoctrinal excuses to ignore the word of God. Its pathetic and hypocritical. My goodness Don. Zero consistency with you. Thump the bible but ditch it’s teaching when it suits your needs. And I’m weak? Please.
Don Stone: LOL… You don’t know the Bible, any man who will not provide for and defend his family is worse than an infidel.
Don Stone: Admit it Josh, I crushed you and booted you out. Go to your liberal Republican party and act like you will get any votes. We don’t need more inexperienced people in office. Obama proved that.
Joshua Fauver: You what? Are you insane?? I left because of the vote on the CCTUC! You crushed me? Please Don, you barely even said hello in Baltimore. My God, what the heck is wrong with you? Are you insane?
Don Stone I told plenty of people about you before the meeting… and many found out about you on their own. We all could see how fake you were, and that you did not support our party. You just wanted to weasel in and use our party to get elected.
Joshua Fauver: You really are insane, Don when is the last time someone from the Constitution party won an election? Nobody joins athird party to get elected! Are you mental? Really?
Don Stone: I didnt talk to you because I didnt want your remarks about my wife to come up in the conversation…LOL, Hate to yell in a hotel. And I did say hello to you on the way to lunch, since you got up at the crack of noon.
Don Stone: Then why did you want to join.
Joshua Fauver: Because of principle! I was 18 when I joined, I had no intention to run for public office when I joined the Constituton Party. I joined because the republican party pissed me off in ’12, the way the treated us Ron Paul people, especially here in Louisiana at our state convention.
Don Stone: “Nobody joins a third party to get elected”….LOL… then why did you come to our meetings and tell people you were running as a CP candidate????
Joshua Fauver: That isn’t why I came to the meeting at all! I came because I went to the last meeting, because Virgil was going to be there, and I was a member of the party, and most importantly because my state chairman at the time couldn’t make it.
Don Stone: Ron Paul people get what they put out… rudeness, obnoxious, refuse to let other people talk, scream “Ron Paul, Ron Paul” when another speaker is talking.
Joshua Fauver: Again, when is the last time a Constitution Party member was elected to an office.
Don Stone: Why did you start your current campaign as a CP candidate then, if nobody joins a 3rd party to get elected?????
Don Stone: That is not the point, the point is your double sided remark.
Joshua Fauver: Because I was a member of the Constitution Party Don! I was a member of that party. While I was in the C.P we were building the party, and you run candidates to build your party Don.
Don Stone: But nobody runs in a 3rd party to get elected… so I guess they run to just show off and put it on business cards and show girls at college that they are running for office… LOL… I guess it is easier than being a musician to pick up the chicks.
Joshua Fauver: We have three active members in the constitution party in Louisiana, two now, I was running to build the party. Otherwise we wouldn’t have a candidate. You run candidates to build the party. Nobody runs third party to get elected.
Don Stone: Then… what is the point of running candidates and “building a party”… sounds like a waste of time, money and effort. That is not what we do here in Illinois, we run to get elected.
Joshua Fauver: Well we don’t have that luxury in Louisiana with just three active members.
Joshua Fauver: Or didn’t have, I’m no longer in that party.
Don Stone: Your logic is really twisted tonight…. woo hoo legalize mary jane!
Don Stone: Explain why you only want to build the party… not win elections.
Don Stone: That is a waste of time.
Joshua Fauver: How is it twisted. Running for office gets press attention, makes noise, makes news. With three active members in the party how would you win? You can’t. Not enough support. You have to build your party before you can win elections. A party with three active members is incapable of winning an election. That is twisted logic, its common sense.
Don Stone: Then why not just go back to the GOP, like you did, to win an election?
Don Stone: LOL
Joshua Fauver: I did, but I was trying to build the party! That was my intention. I was a member of the party. I wanted to see it grow.
Don Stone: To what end, “nobody runs 3rd party to win an election?”…
Don Stone: Even if it grows to 50,000 members, it is still a 3rd party and will never win, in your logic.
Joshua Fauver: I was a third partier at the time, and in politics things change, if you recall I was working with free and equal to take down the two party system, but everything in politics change. But right now, is there a third party strong enough to win? No. There isn’t.
Don Stone: Yes, the CP is growing, with people who SUPPORT our platform… and we will win.
Joshua Fauver: Yes, growing, and can win, later, in the future, right now, no. Not one party. Not the Greens, Justice, Constitution, or Libertarians are capable of winning right here and now. That is just reality.
Don Stone: Greens and Justice and Libertarians are all just liberals… the only conservative, Constitutional party is the CP.
Joshua Fauver: Don what the heck are you talking about?! That has nothing to do with whether or not a third part can win or not! Are you illiterate? Can you not keep track of the points being made. I said no third party can win right now. Political ideology is beside the point!
Don Stone: By November, 2014, Americans will be mad at both the GOP and the Dems, and we have a great chance.
Joshua Fauver: Possibly, like I said. In the future, not right now does a third party have a chance of winning.
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