LP Facebook Post: “Libertarians aren’t necessarily conspiracy theorists or gun-toting lunatics”

Posted on the Libertarian Party’s Facebook page on May 19th:

Libertarians aren’t necessarily conspiracy theorists or gun-toting lunatics. We’re mostly good people who enjoy freedom. #VoteLP

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Some reactions from Facebook:

George Philles, longtime LP activist:

Aren’t necessarily” is an astonishingly unfortunate way to put it…For starters the post indicates that many Libertarians are conspiracy theorists and gun-toting lunatics.

Hillary Cable, poster:

Yes, very weird. I also take issue with “gun-toting lunatic.” Gun owners aren’t lunatics. Did Libertarian Party’s FB account get hacked by a liberal or something? Jeez.

Why are you playing to the left with this post? No need to apologize for being libertarian, people. Very weird!

Jeff Billman, poster:

 It is, but then I have to admit, there are gun-toting lunatics and conspiracy theorists in the Libertarian Party. Still, this is a very weak plea. It’s a bit like a cheap fast food restaurant saying, “Our food isn’t all horse meat! There’s some beef in there, too.”

Rob Joyce, poster:

It isn’t conspiracy theories to question any “official” story the government gives us.

Mark Daniels, poster:

What a completely senseless post.

Kenton Merrill, poster:

 There are many different types of Libertarians. That is the beauty of individual liberty. We don’t all think the same, but we generally agree on freedom being the answer.

Chad Wildrick:

You mean I can’t be a gun-toting lunatic and a good person who enjoys freedom simultaneously?

Tiffany Wilde, poster:

but some of us are. i am both a gun toting “lunatic” and a conspiracy theorist.

Dave Hunt, poster:

Some conspiracy theories are true, and very few gun-toters are lunatics. You’ve been trying to take advantage of Rand Paul recently alienating some of his supporters, but you are doing the same thing with such ill-considered posts.

 

Here is the link to the original post:

https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/posts/10151597961247726

38 thoughts on “LP Facebook Post: “Libertarians aren’t necessarily conspiracy theorists or gun-toting lunatics”

  1. Krzysztof Lesiak Post author

    Need more fucking news for today. What a slow day.

    Some info anyone, about the CO LP convention and LSLA conference?

    As for this post…it’s silly and dumb. I don’t get the point of it. I am a conspiracy theorist and when I get of legal age hope to be a “gun toting lunatic” as well. I don’t know if this is intended to alienate me, make me feel good, or just something for lulz.

    It’s just weird stuff. lol

  2. Be Rational

    The aforesaid facebook post appears to be a combination of limited lexicological skill and a slapdash work eithic – incompetence and haste combining into a muddled snafu – another case of an LP that renders opportunity into flub.

  3. Dave Terry

    Rob Joyce, poster:

    “It isn’t conspiracy theories to question any ‘official’ story the government gives us.”

    Don’t believe anything until it is “officially” denied

  4. Dave Terry

    Chris @ #1; ” Some info anyone, about the CO LP convention”

    I can’t respond to that, BUT there is a great news story about the 55 Colorado Sheriffs who have filed a suit against the State of Colorado’s draconian gun
    law.

    I sent an email to Jill Pyeatt yesterday, with all the particulars, but she hasn’t had time to react
    to it.

  5. Christian Identity Patriotic Conservative

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  7. Brian Holtz

    The post was poorly crafted, and deserved to be taken down. Better to say:

    Whether or not any given conspiracy theory is true, the increased scope and power of government makes conspiracies more tempting to imagine and implement.

  8. Deran

    Conspiracy is increasing popular on the Left too. While there are conspiracies, the obession with everything being part of a conspiracy by secret Powers That Be seems like it just makes people apathetic and cynical: I can’t do anything to affect the world be the “Illuminati” are pulling the strings, etc.

    Covert Action Information Bulletin was a fantastic source abt actual existing conspiracies.

  9. Steve M

    I know you have heard this old Gahndi quote…

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    We may be moving from stage two to stage three.

  10. Kevin Knedler

    HOW posted this. I need a NAME.
    National office?
    The Ohio team in the LP has busted their asses for years to break the assumption that this twitter post just reinforces.

  11. Dave Terry

    KK @ 14; “The Ohio team in the LP has busted their asses for years to break the assumption that this twitter post just reinforces.

    This is why I have absolutely NO interest in joining Twitter, Facebook or any of the Twilight Zones.

    BTW; There is nothing imaginary about the CIA and Homeland Security conspiracies.

  12. Robert Capozzi

    The good news is: the statement is true.

    What did the mind that thought that thought think was to be accomplished by stating that truth?

  13. Kevin Knedler

    Does the link you had posted above to facebook work for anyone? It doesn’t for me. Which is probably good, with my blood pressure issues– LOL.

  14. paulie

    Does the link you had posted above to facebook work for anyone? It doesn’t for me. Which is probably good, with my blood pressure issues– LOL.

    No, it has been deleted.

  15. paulie

    I need a NAME.
    National office?

    Couldn’t tell you, but it is not the national office. We have more and more people signing up to help post content on social media for LP national. Spread the word we need more help. Maybe someone you know would be willing and can do a better job.

  16. paulie

    The post was poorly crafted, and deserved to be taken down. Better to say:

    Whether or not any given conspiracy theory is true, the increased scope and power of government makes conspiracies more tempting to imagine and implement.

    I agree that would be better. Would you be interested in getting involved with the social media teams?

  17. Dave Terry

    Some imbecile wrote: “Libertarians aren’t necessarily conspiracy theorists or gun-toting lunatics. We’re mostly good people who enjoy freedom.”

    The FACT is, Libertarians are mostly good people who emphatically support and defend the right of
    citizens to own and carry firearms. Even in defiance of our own government.

    We seem to be in GOOD company even among non-Libertarians. for example see;

    HEROES: List Of 55 Colorado Sheriffs Suing Over Gun Control Legislation Colorado Sheriff’s lawsuit against anti-gun laws grows to 55 Sheriffs, with addition of Rodney Johnson of Grand County.
    The Independence Institute, along with 54 of Colorado’s County Sheriffs, has filed suit against the extreme gun control legislation pushed through the legislature this year by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s lobbyist.

    From their press release:

    DENVER, Colo — On Friday, May 17, fifty-four Colorado Sheriffs are filing a federal civil rights lawsuit against two bills passed by the Colorado legislature in March. The suit is being filed in Federal District Court in Denver.

    Joining the 54 Sheriffs in the civil rights lawsuit are disabled individuals, Outdoor Buddies (a charitable organization for disabled individuals), licensed firearms dealers, Magpul, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the Colorado State Shooting Association, the Colorado Outfitters Association, Colorado Youth Outdoors, and Women for Concealed Carry.

    Below are the heroes who joined the lawsuit. Make sure to thank them next time you see them.

    You can read the full formal complaint here.

    54 SHERIFFS:

    JOHN B. COOKE, Sheriff of Weld County, Colorado;

    TERRY MAKETA, Sheriff of El Paso County, Colorado;

    JUSTIN SMITH, Sheriff of Larimer County, Colorado;

    DAVID A. WEAVER, Sheriff of Douglas County, Colorado;

    BRUCE W. HARTMAN, Sheriff of Gilpin County, Colorado;

    KEN PUTNAM, Sheriff of Cheyenne County, Colorado;

    DENNIS SPRUELL, Sheriff of Montezuma County, Colorado;

    TIM JANTZ, Sheriff of Moffat County, Colorado;

    JERRY MARTIN, Sheriff of Dolores County, Colorado;

    MIKE ENSMINGER, Sheriff of Teller County, Colorado;

    SHAYNE HEAP, Sheriff of Elbert County, Colorado;

    CHAD DAY, Sheriff of Yuma County, Colorado;

    FRED D. MCKEE, Sheriff of Delta County, Colorado;

    LOU VALLARIO, Sheriff of Garfield County, Colorado;

    FRED HOSSELKUS, Sheriff of Mineral County, Colorado;

    BRETT L. POWELL, Sheriff of Logan County, Colorado;

    JAMES FAULL, Sheriff of Prowers County, Colorado;

    LARRY KUNTZ, Sheriff of Washington County, Colorado;

    BRIAN E. NORTON, Sheriff of Rio Grande County, Colorado;

    DUKE SCHIRARD, Sheriff of La Plata County, Colorado;

    JIM BEICKER, Sheriff of Fremont County, Colorado;

    RONALD BRUCE, Sheriff of Hinsdale County, Colorado;

    CHRIS S. JOHNSON, Sheriff of Otero County, Colorado;

    FRED JOBE, Sheriff of Custer County, Colorado;

    DONALD KRUEGER, Sheriff of Clear Creek County, Colorado;

    JAMES CRONE, Sheriff of Morgan County, Colorado;

    SI WOODRUFF, Sheriff of Rio Blanco County, Colorado;

    TOM RIDNOUR, Sheriff of Kit Carson County, Colorado;

    TOM NESTOR, Sheriff of Lincoln County, Colorado;

    STAN HILKEY, Sheriff of Mesa County, Colorado;

    FORREST FRAZEE, Sheriff of Kiowa County, Colorado;

    RICK DUNLAP, Sheriff of Montrose County, Colorado;

    RODNEY JOHNS, Sheriff of Grand County.
    Colorado;

  18. paulie

    I’d be happy to pitch in on these social media efforts.

    I recommended you to Arvin. Didn’t look like you do much with your FB account from your timeline, but as long as you have one that’s really all that you have to have.

  19. Nicholas Sarwark

    As an observation, the poorly worded Facebook post was pulled pretty quickly, but now that there’s an IPR article about it, it’s forever on the Internet.

  20. David Colborne

    This is the Kobayashi Maru of FB posts right here. No matter how you phrase the idea (“We’re not all kooks! We swear!”), there’s no good, defensible way to say it. You’re either going to turn off existing supporters by insinuating that many of them are “kooks”, or you’re going to turn off future supporters by suggesting that associating with the LPeams associating with “kooks”, or most likely both.

    Best to just let this dog lie and walk away.

  21. Brian Holtz

    David @30, don’t you think the ambiguity of “imagine” splits the difference?

    Whether or not any given conspiracy theory is true, the increased scope and power of government makes conspiracies more tempting to imagine and implement.

    I don’t believe in the no-win scenario.

  22. From Der Sidelines

    They followed it up with the post asking, “When did the LP stop beating its wives?” :roll:

  23. Robert Capozzi

    32 bh, hmm, the clinically paranoid will imagine conspiracies as a matter of course. The insane may well imagine more GOVERNMENT conspiracies when the government is larger, but not necessarily. Anti-market conspiracy theorists, if I’ve got them vaguely scoped, blame all sortsa stuff on corporations and the super-rich, for ex. Even pro-market conspiracy theorists seem to engage in this sort of thing.

    Frightened people often need some simple explanation to cope, it seems.

  24. Steve Scheetz

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I have a couple of points here.

    1. If “they” REALLY ARE out to get you, you are STILL paranoid.

    2. If you say or write anything that goes against the narrative: “Government is good and freedom is bad” you ARE a radical, and ABSOLUTELY, you are a conspiracy theorist…

    3. If you believe that people should be responsible for their own defense, and you demonstrate this by owning a gun, you are a “gun toting nut”

    4. IF you believe that you should be free to associate, free to say or write what you think, you WILL be taken into protective custody, sent to room 13 until such time that you are no danger to yourself or others.

    This has been a state sponsored Public Service Announcement…

    On a side note, I took the statement on the LP site for what it was… Raw laugh out loud comedy!

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  25. George Phillies

    Editorial
    More Crackpots!

    Our last editorial was reprinted on Independent Political Report (IndependentPoliticalReport.com), where it drew an enormous number of comments. You can see them all at independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-opinions-out-with-the-crackpots-and-a-modest-proposal-for-ending-the-drug-war/ The level of foolishness of some of the conspiracy sorts was astounding. There was, for example, the fellow who proposed that because people with some sense would hesitate to drink a large quantity of some of the antimicrobials used (in trace amounts) to preserve some vaccines, that therefore the vaccines themselves must be dangerous, as though dosage had no clinical consequence.

    It is interesting to note that at least some conspiracy advocates apparently collect conspiracy nonsense the way other people collect stamps. The same person will be prepared to argue for vast numbers of totally unrelated pieces of pseudoscience and revisionist history. Of course, there can be good money in that collection: Several talk show hosts specialize in accumulating extended lists of odd beliefs, and find an audience willing to listen to their baroque interpretations of our world. Most people realize that these shows are entertainment, sort of like Saturday Night Live with a different political slant.

    Readers will perhaps not be surprised to learn that in the IPR debate all sorts of other crackpots crept out from under their rocks. Debate rapidly drifted from the issues we had raised, e.g., global warming denial and United Nations Paranoia, to 9/11 trutherism. California LPer Brian Holtz spent what must have been a great deal of time doing the research needed to disprove various exotic claims. Each truther factoid (factoids are sort of like facts, except they are deficient in truthiness) apparently needed only a few minutes of internet search to disprove, but there were a great number of them.

    The original 9/11 building investigation was run on the finest of libertarian principles. It was carried out by university fire researchers and insurance companies, the investigators working as volunteers. After all, as one of their lead researchers (and a good personal friend whom I trust) noted, we have had a large number of skyscraper fires, but never before has one collapsed the building. Was something wrong with our understanding of building fires? How much do we insurance companies need to adjust our reserve funds? In the end, no fundamental issues were found with the design. The level of damage was just outside what a building could survive. Only unusually resilient construction permitted as many people as escaped to get out alive. The causes of the building collapses were in the end entirely worked out; a later FEMA studied filled in a few details.

  26. Brian Holtz

    From today’s New York Times:

    Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.

    Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward. In these moments of powerlessness and uncertainty, a part of the brain called the amygdala kicks into action. Paul Whalen, a scientist at Dartmouth College who studies the amygdala, says it doesn’t exactly do anything on its own. Instead, the amygdala jump-starts the rest of the brain into analytical overdrive — prompting repeated reassessments of information in an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now. This may be a useful way to understand how, writ large, the brain’s capacity for generating new narratives after shocking events can contribute to so much paranoia in this country.

    “If you know the truth and others don’t, that’s one way you can reassert feelings of having agency,” Swami says. It can be comforting to do your own research even if that research is flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep.

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