Jill Stein Comments On Death Of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

POSTED BY JILL STEIN FOR PRESIDENT 5803.60PC ON MARCH 05, 2013 · FLAG
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Dr. Jill Stein, the 2012 Green Party presidential nominee, just now issued the following statement on the death of Hugo Chávez Frías, president of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela:

“I share great sadness with so many people around the world who are mourning President Hugo Chávez Frías’ untimely death. He died too young, and leaves this world too soon. Some have called him the first democratically elected leader of Venezuela, and it is without question that because of the role he played in history, tens of millions of the poorest and most oppressed people of his country are today participants in their own government. Hugo Chávez led a hemispheric struggle for social justice, democracy, peace, and sustainability, and his influence across the Americas will be felt for decades to come. I wish the people of Venezuela continued success in their struggles for self-determination and a more equitable society.”

 

26 thoughts on “Jill Stein Comments On Death Of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

  1. Trotsky Thinks Your Hotsky

    “Josef Stalin led a hemispheric struggle for social justice, democracy, peace, and sustainability, and his influence across the Americas will be felt for decades to come. I wish the people of the Soviet Union continued success in their struggles for self-determination and a more equitable society.”

    Same song, different era.

  2. Deran

    anonymous coward.

    Chavez and Stalin is a stupid comparison. How many times was Stalin reelected in free and fair democratic elections?

    The interesting thisng to me is that the Venezuelan Green party is a part of the anti-Chavez Rightwing and social democratic opposition coalition.

    And you’ll notice Stein is fairly cicumspect abt her praise and what exactly she says abt Chavez. The key thing here is that the Greens are Neo-Keynsians/social democrats, and Chavismo is democratic socialism. This is always a weakness of the Greens, they fail to get that capitalism will always create misery and barbarism, no matter how many democratic and civic institutions are created to try and create a bulwark against capitalist rapacity and entropy.

    This is why many Green Parties around the world have participated in governments that are pushing austerity on their populations.

  3. Jill Pyeatt

    Deran says: “that capitalism will always create misery and barbarism”.

    When did capitalism get such a bad name? I hope Deran doesn’t think what we’re living now in the US is capitalism. It’s crony capitalism.

    Having said that, I don’t think Hugo Chavez was all that awful. I think he’s greatest fault was standing up to the United States.

  4. Alex Snitker

    “that capitalism will always create misery and barbarism”

    So you mean that free people being able to make their own decisions will create this?

    GET A CLUE

  5. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I hope Deran doesn’t think what we’re living now in the US is capitalism. It’s crony capitalism.”

    Which is the only kind of capitalism that exists, or ever has existed, or ever will exist.

  6. Green_Liberal

    @2 Deran, that might be true about some Green parties, particuarly in Central America and South America, but (for the most part) not the Green Party in the USA.

    Stein claims she is non-ideological, so she would probably deny that she is a democratic socialist or a neo-Keynesian. Her platform had elements of socialism and elements of Keynesianism.

    There seems to be alot of Green activists who consider themselves democratic socialists.

    “This is why many Green Parties around the world have participated in governments that are pushing austerity on their populations”

    The same thing could be said about social democratic or socialist parties. And it wouldn’t tell us anything useful about socialist parties in the USA.

  7. Trotsky Thinks Your Hotsky

    “Today Chavez is being mourned all over South America. If he were here today, I’m sure he’d say, ‘Don’t cry for me, Argentina.’” -Craig Ferguson

  8. ATBAFT

    Of course the Greens should applaud Chavez.
    Under him, oil production has fallen nearly 50%. That’s tons and tons of CO2 not going into the atmosphere at only the cost of miring the Venezulean people in poverty for a longer period of time. But Gaia demands human sacrifice.

  9. Dave Terry

    J.P (3)
    > Deran says: “that capitalism will always create misery and barbarism”.

    What do you expect from a person who is 62.5% Deran-ged ?

    He also used the terms; “rapacity and entropy”.

    It’s amazing how socialists like to use words that they have no clue as to the meaning of.
    But, at least it is consistent with their economic theories; they have no idea how wealth is created, but once it exists – they want THEIR “share” of it!

  10. Dave Terry

    TLK (5)
    >”Which is the only kind of capitalism that exists, or ever has existed, or ever will exist.”

    Thank you Jehovah! Tell us; WHEN did you decide to convert the earth from a flat surface to an orb?

  11. Dave Terry

    GL (7)
    >”Stein claims she is non-ideological, so she would probably deny that she is a democratic socialist or a neo-Keynesian.”

    Are you sure it isn’t paleo-Keynesian?

    “Her platform had elements of socialism and elements of Keynesianism.”

    Not to mention definite elements of Vegetarianism and Parochialism.

  12. Jill Pyeatt

    I’ve been utterly blown away by the lack of economic understanding by people on IPR the past four or five days. I don’t have the energy to argue it. All I’ll say is that if people really think that making a profit creates misery, this country is doomed. I’m too busy trying to make a living at my advanced age to explain why.

  13. Thomas L. Knapp

    @11,

    Noticing something (for example, that the earth is an orb or that capitalism was coined by Thackeray as, popularized by Marx as, and denotes to 99.9x% of humans, a state-regulated, mixed industrial economy) is not the same as decreeing something.

    I support free markets, not capitalism, and the two are mutually exclusive.

  14. Dave Terry

    TLK (14) “I support free markets, not capitalism, and the two are mutually exclusive.

    Mr. Knapp is clearly a product of the public school system, so I will make every effort to take this into consideration as I critique his exposition.

    Next to “democracy” and “socialism”, capitalism
    is the most misused and abused term in the socio-political lexicon.

    Fundamentally, capitalism, “qua capitalism” is NOT a theory of social, political OR economic organization; it is a fundamental method of production. Ergo; it is neither synonymousNOR
    antithetical to the idea of free markets.

    From the earliest moments of man’s evolution, before the codification of spoken language and eons before the creation of a written language,
    mankind survived from hand to mouth by foraging for fruit, berries and other ready edibles.

    The FIRST “capital goods” were made of stone,
    most primitive and some quite sophisticated. A hand ax made from a honed stone held by dried vines in a forked branch of wood, very well may have been the first ax! Thus we have the birth of “capitalism” AND a VERY “free market” form of it.

    As the complexity and sophistication of these “capital goods” progressed their production became joint efforts. Nets made of woven vines replaced sharpened sticks. The women wove the nets and the men carried them to the sea or lake, caught the fish and shared the bounty.

    Technically, this would STILL be considered a
    free market function since only those who participated in the process shared in the bounty

    Obviously, at some point, avarice and plunder raised its ugly head, but this was only a secondary consequence of “capitalism”, whereas
    capitalism created plenty, even abundance. there have always been those who would take advantage of those weaker than themselves.

    I would ALSO strongly suggest that the source of this avarice was the ruling class, the warrior class, etc. The “capitalists” were too busy making nets and other tools of production and using them to feed their growing families, OR even working on the NEXT generation of tools of productions, using their OWN personal labor,
    i.e. capital to do so.

    So, Mr. Knapp, Obviously, free markets are NOT “exclusive” of capitalism, but an integral part of it.

  15. Jill Pyeatt

    Wikipedia is Wikipedia. But, this is how I understand capitalism vs. crony capitalism:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_capitalism

    I don’t understand capitalism as an inherently bad thing. In theory, socialism isn’t a bad thing. We don’t seem to have pure examples of either capitalism or socialism in practice that last long enough to make good judgements. Greedy people always seem to finagle their way in and take over.

  16. Dave Terry

    TLK (16)
    >”You keep using words like “clearly” and “obviously.”
    “I do not think they mean what you think they mean.”>

    You MAY have a point Mr. Knapp. Like MOST words, there are contexts. So, in THIS case, “clearly” and “obviously” have no meaning if one doesn’t have both their eyes AND their minds open.

    It is self-evident that under these contexts NOTHING is “clear” or “obvious” to YOU!

    Since you seem to prefer your OWN private lexicon, maybe you’d like to share your definition of capitalism, so we can at least carry
    on a discussion.

  17. Thomas L. Knapp

    @18,

    “maybe you’d like to share your definition of capitalism”

    I don’t have my own definition of capitalism. I go with the one from the Dictionary of Free Market Economics (by Fred Foldvary, Edward Elgar Publishing, 1998): “A state-regulated, mixed industrial economy.”

    I used to be among those — probably a fraction of one percent of humankind — who attempt to conflate capitalism with free markets. I gave that up as a bad job because I support free markets.

  18. Dave Terry

    TLK (19)
    >”I go with the one from the Dictionary of Free Market Economics (by Fred Foldvary, Edward Elgar Publishing, 1998): “A state-regulated, mixed industrial economy.”

    I guess you, Marx, Proudhom, Eugene V. Debs, Upton Sinclair, Noam Chomskey, Michael Moore,
    etc are on the same page.

    I on the other hand, go with the following:
    1. “When I say “Capitalism”, I mean a full, pure, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez-faire capitalism
    - with a separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.” Ayn Rand

    2.www.merriamwebster.com/dictionary/capitalism “an economic system characterized by either PRIVATE or corporate ownership of capital goods
    by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

    3. “Capitalism is a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire (freedom). Legally it is a system of objective laws (rule of law as opposed to rule of man). Economically, when such freedom is applied to the sphere of production its’ result is the free-market.
    4. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Capitalism.html
    “apitalism,” a term of disparagement coined by socialists in the mid-nineteenth century, is a misnomer for “economic individualism,” which Adam Smith earlier called “the obvious and simple system of natural liberty” (Wealth of Nations). Economic individualism’s basic premise is that the pursuit of self-interest and the right to own private property are morally defensible and legally legitimate. Its major corollary is that the state exists to protect individual rights. Subject to certain restrictions, individuals (alone or with others) are free to decide where to invest, what to produce or sell, and what prices to charge. There is no natural limit to the range of their efforts in terms of assets, sales, and profits; or the number of customers, employees, and investors; or whether they operate in local, regional, national, or international markets.

    5. “The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”
    – Sir Winston Spencer Churchill

    6. “History suggests that Capitalism is a necessary condition for political freedom.”
    – Milton Friedman

    7. “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”
    – John Maynard Keynes

    8. “Somebody said to me, ‘But the Beatles were anti-materialistic.’ That’s a huge myth. John and I literally used to sit down and say, ‘Now, let’s write a swimming pool.”
    ? Paul McCartney

  19. Dave Terry

    Isn’t it delightful and rewarding that the L.P. has not ONE but TWO experts on the musings of Humpty Dumpty.

    My navel is certainly more interesting than that!

  20. paulie

    Any chance we could get you to focus on it exclusively, thus making both yourself and the rest of us happier at the same time?

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