86 thoughts on “Libertarian Party of Nevada Announces Its Convention

  1. NewFederalist

    OR… they need lots of money to pay the keynote speakers… Wayne Allyn Root, Dr. Thomas Stevens and a couple of guys from Oregon!

  2. NewFederalist

    AND… I hear Dr. Stevens has video of Carl Persons and a poodle! Should be a GREAT convention!

  3. paulie

    The website with the details was slow to load.

    So:

    Saturday, April 27, 2012 9:00am – 5:00pm PST
    Delegate Registration, 8:00am – 9:00am
    Luncheon, 1:00pm – 3:00pm (Guest keynote speaker Katie Kieffer)

    Suncoast Hotel and Casino
    9090 Alta Drive
    Las Vegas, NV 89145
    Delegate registration fee:
    Before March 20, $65.00 per person, includes luncheon
    March 21 – April 20, $95.00 per person, includes luncheon
    After April 20, $125.00 per person, luncheon not included

    *To register as a delegate you must be a paid member, in good standing, of the Libertarian Party of Nevada. If your membership is not up-to-date your registration will be rejected. All delegates will need to present their valid Nevada State ID when claiming their delegate credentials on the day of the convention.

    Non-delegate guests registration fee:
    Before April 20, $100.00 per person, includes luncheon
    After April 20th (or at the door), $125.00 per person

  4. LibertarianGirl

    so normally $50 a year , with $25 of that 4warded to national were dues and along with 60 daysprev registration all that was required of ns delegate.

    I WANT TO BE CLEAR MANY A TIME WE HAVE HELD CONVENTIONS WHERE FOOD , SPEAKERS AND ENTERTAINMENT WAS OFFERED, THIS ALWAYS COST EXTRA…DUH…………BUT NEVER , EVER , HAVE WE CHARGED BEYOND DUES FOR THE BUSINESS PORTION

    this is designed for 1 ppurpose to disenfranchise people and unfortunately i predict it will work , hard to convince people to shell out that kind of money

  5. Oranje Mike

    $125 is too much for a state convention regardless of when you book. Roots cronies must be trying to keep the “right” people in the fold.

  6. Andy

    I really hope that the folks in the Libertarian Party of Nevada can work out their problems at this State Convention and get back to being one of the more active state LP chapters in the country like they were around 6-9 years ago (or whenever it was exactly before things started to go down hill).

    I think that the dynamics of Nevada are such at it should be one of the states where the Libertarian Party has the most potential. It’s a shame to see internal party dysfunction ruining that potential.

  7. Andy

    “Oranje Mike // Feb 27, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    $125 is too much for a state convention regardless of when you book. Roots cronies must be trying to keep the ‘right’ people in the fold.”

    I don’t know about Root’s cronies, but I’m pretty sure that Root is done with the LP.

  8. Chuck Moulton

    Expect this all around the country now that national has gotten away with charging a floor fee.

    It will be interesting to see what kind of floor fee national charges people in 2014.

  9. David Colborne

    I’m not going to lie – the fact that my vote is worth $115 (dues + early bird registration; yes, I already paid) is both flattering and frustrating. The purpose behind the fees is obvious – they want to ensure that only “dedicated” activists can attend and they want to throw a really nice party for those activists and only those activists.

    I seem to remember someone here once remarking that, for a subset of the LP, the LP is something of a “hobby”, a chance for them to play “politics”, feel “connected”, and dress up. Unfortunately, it would appear that the Hobbytarians have taken over the LP Nevada and they’re intent on making sure they stay in charge.

  10. Andy

    “LibertarianGirl // Feb 27, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    we need money and root got nothing to do with it. i cant convince very many people to come up with 125 bucks”

    It sounds like you’ve got the convention downpayment blues.:)

  11. Wes Wagner

    johnO @19

    I don’t exactly get why everyone is still bagging on Oregon. All the legal filings prove that all the issues were because of agents of the national party interfering, and on top of that we were one of the highest performing affiliates in the 2012 election.

    If anything you should be asking, why the LNC Inc. was working so hard to screw Oregon up.

  12. Marc Montoni

    As for Virginia, as long as I have anything to do with it, the Virginia LP will *never* charge a floor fee for the business session. We haven’t for as long as I can remember, and I’ve been around since 1980. Now, the extra-curricular sessions, those are a different story.

    The 2012 national convention was a big waste of time — the only redeeming part was the parties with friends. So much of the convention itself, however, was taken up by things that one particular clique has their panties in a twist about:

    - Tweaking bylaws to cement their positions.

    - Having a candidate calling for a national retail sales tax.

    - Completing the bowdlerization of the platform, including as I recall an effort to eliminate our long-standing position on drugs.

    - Making sure only clique members remained on the LNC.

    These people insist on making every damned LP convention into a drip-drip-drip Chinese Water Torture kind of experience. They have this obsessive need to have their way; they can’t just leave everyone else the hell alone and get on with building the Party.

    And as far as I know, the person responsible for Knedlering the convention has not squared up and reimbursed the delegates for the time he cost them over his temper-tantrum.

  13. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I’d like to comment that the opportunity for paying early seems disengenuous to me. The reason is that people who can’t pay upfront probably have to work this kind of a fee into their budget, and there isn’t much lead time for that.

  14. Andy

    “23 Thomas L. Knapp // Feb 27, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    ‘All delegates will need to present their valid Nevada State ID ‘

    Wonder who that was designed to keep out?”

    I’ll take a wild guess and say…..people who don’t have valid Nevada ID’s.

    This seems like a pretty ridiculous requirement to me. State ID’s are not really what I’d call libertarian, and I know Libertarians who either do not have an ID that matches the state where they are, or who have an expired ID, or in some cases, do not have ID’s.

    I can tell you that the state ID that I have does not match the state LP where I’m a member, nor does it list the state that I’m in right now.

  15. Marc Montoni

    Oh I don’t know… In Virginia we ask people attending our district conventions (held when we want to consider a candidate for office in a given district) to bring their voter registration card.

    We do this because our election districts do not generally follow county or city lines, so we need to be able to make sure only members who actually live in the same district as the potential candidate are allowed to vote on whether to formally endorse that candidate.

    Why should a member who lives in District “X” be able to vote on whether to endorse a candidate running in District “Y”?

    In Nevada’s case, maybe they’re trying to eliminate out-of-staters from mucking about in their decisions. Like a certain man-without-a-country did in Oregon.

  16. Mark Vetanen

    So far here in Oregon we have sent out mailings to every registered Libertarian, oh about 13K of them, asking them for things like if they want to run for office, sending them primary ballots, and such. We are now engaged in sending out board ballots to qualified Libertarian voters to select our next board. We will have a meeting of all members on May 4th. Details are at lporegon.org

    The results are amazing. The most ever candidates on a ballot, donations that more than cover the mailings we perform, and new people showing up wanting to get involved.

    All of this with NO Dues, No floor fee, and no bullshit rules or obstacles!

    In my humble opinion, those who want to keep the dues, the floor fees and the bullshit in place are just people who want to keep this party down and don’t want us to succeed. These people just want a small private club where they can be big-shots.

  17. Wes Wagner

    MV @26

    You forgot about the 10 page welcome packets that some of the newer members have designed that will be put out to everyone who is relatively new to the party to help them understand how to get involved and get started on building their own groups, available resources to them, etc.

  18. Thomas L. Knapp

    MM@25,

    —–
    h I don’t know… In Virginia we ask people attending our district conventions (held when we want to consider a candidate for office in a given district) to bring their voter registration card.

    We do this because our election districts do not generally follow county or city lines, so we need to be able to make sure only members who actually live in the same district as the potential candidate are allowed to vote on whether to formally endorse that candidate.
    —–

    That requirement doesn’t “make sure” of any such thing. I still have a voter ID card that places me a thousand miles from where I actually live. Hell, in 2010, US congressman Todd Akin was caught voting at his old polling place years after moving.

    Either trust your members to be honest about where they live or don’t. The state’s word on where they live is no more reliable than their own word.

  19. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    @ 16: I seem to remember someone here once remarking that, for a subset of the LP, the LP is something of a “hobby”, a chance for them to play “politics”, feel “connected”, and dress up.

    That would be moi.

    Yes, the LP is a hobby for some — an increasingly expensive hobby. Held on cruises, and at Vegas and Hawaiian resorts. (Hawaii was actually suggested as a 2010 national convention location, but was thankfully shot down.)

    Raising the price tag keeps out the povertarian riff-raff — a disproportionate number of whom are the young and minorities.

  20. Andy

    Root’s Teeth Are Awesome said: “Raising the price tag keeps out the povertarian riff-raff — a disproportionate number of whom are the young and minorities.”

    I don’t know what you mean when you say “minorities,” but if you are using the word as it has become generally used in our society to designate people who are not white, there aren’t too many of them in the Libertarian Party.

    I don’t know how long you’ve been following the Libertarian Party, but it is mostly made up of white males.

    Does it have to be this way? I don’t think so. Should it be this way? I don’t think so, but this is the way that it. If the Libertarian Party wants to attract a larger, more diverse group of people then there is going to have to be a lot more outreach to more diverse groups of people, instead of little bits of out reach here and there to white male computer nerds and disgruntled Republicans/conservatives (as in what little outreach the party engages in tends to generally be slanted toward those two groups).

  21. Andy

    “Marc Montoni // Feb 27, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    Oh I don’t know… In Virginia we ask people attending our district conventions (held when we want to consider a candidate for office in a given district) to bring their voter registration card.”

    What if they are not registered to vote? What if they lost their voter registration card? What if they can’t register to vote due to a felony? What if they can’t register to vote because they are not an American citizen, or are under the age of 18, but they have paid membership dues to the party and signed the statement of principles? What if they are living in the state you are in but want to remain registered to vote in a different state for some reason?

  22. Steve M

    yep… convention floor fees, higher party dues, mandatory government issued ID…. So this is today’s Libertarian party?

    I joined because, I want lower costs and more freedom. Every where I look people are saying give me, give me, give me. Damn shame that includes participation in a political party that claims to be about liberty.

    Look you want participation by liberty minded folks… (i suspect that some don’t, they want control) then can the fees and open the doors.

  23. Marc Montoni

    That requirement doesn’t “make sure” of any such thing. I still have a voter ID card that places me a thousand miles from where I actually live. Hell, in 2010, US congressman Todd Akin was caught voting at his old polling place years after moving…. Either trust your members to be honest about where they live or don’t. The state’s word on where they live is no more reliable than their own word.

    How did the phrase “…we ask people …” get interpreted as a “requirement”?

    We started asking because districts here are so convoluted that no one knows what district they are in.

    For example, check out Virginia House District 3.

    Once the page comes up, click the box to add in the county/city boundaries and you’ll see what I mean. Then multiply this by 100 state Delegate seats and 40 state Senate seats and it’s even worse.

  24. Marc Montoni

    What if they are not registered to vote?

    As I said, we *ask*. We can verify in other ways. If I am running the meeting, for instance, I simply run their address through the State Board of Elections website, which returns their election districts.

    What if they lost their voter registration card?

    As above.

    What if they can’t register to vote due to a felony?

    That’s never come up but I suppose it could. There is no prohibition in our bylaws against a felon participating.

    What if they can’t register to vote because they are not an American citizen, or are under the age of 18, but they have paid membership dues to the party and signed the statement of principles?

    Well actually they couldn’t pay dues because foreign nationals are not permitted to donate to US political parties.

    What if they are living in the state you are in but want to remain registered to vote in a different state for some reason?

    You mean like that guy who’s a member of multiple state parties and interferes in the internal politics of all of them? Most recently meddling in Oregon?

    Sorry, no thanks.

    Besides, that’s out of my hands anyway. We have to comply with Virginia state law in order to have ballot status. Accordingly, we altered our state party bylaws a few years ago to where the definition of membership requires us to be residents of Virginia *and* to be domiciled therein. This was added to prevent a situation we’d experienced earlier, where a disgruntled member who had been elected a congressional district chair subsequently moved out of state and refused to resign. Now, moving out of state is an automatic resignation from all officer positions.

  25. paulie

    Marc,

    Your VA methods are different from what NV is doing here. They won’t let anyone become a delegate if their state ID is expired. It’s a requirement, not a suggestion. It can be a problem for a lot of people to renew their state ID for a variety of reasons. I would not be surprised if they are targeting an individual person or people with this.

    Also, Nevada is a place where a lot of people move in and out of. They may not have gotten around to changing their ID from a different state. Why go to the DMV more often than you have to?

    Regarding your digs at M, I realize you don’t like his factional politics, but he’s far from the only person I know in the LP with ties to more than one state. Many of us split our time between different states, or travel for a living, or relocate frequently, etc. For an increasing number of people the answer to what state they live in is “it’s complicated.” I suspect Nevada is a state where a lot of people find themselves in that position. Their major metro areas are close to state lines, their major industries involve things like construction, travel and tourism, etc.

    I’m surprised to hear that basic LP membership is limited to US citizens. I’ve never heard that before. Someone who intends to remain in the US is barred from LP membership until they become a citizen? News to me. BTW, someone who is not (yet) a US Citizen is not necessarily a foreign national. For example, when we left the USSR we were stripped of Soviet citizenship, all documents and all property beyond a small number of items we were allowed to carry out (not that we had much property). We did not become US citizens for another 5 years and some months, but we weren’t citizens of other nations. Supposing my parents had been libertarians and wanted to join the LP (they aren’t and don’t, but that’s besides the point), should they have had to wait until they became US citizens?

  26. Libertariangirl

    and id like to note the chair only had that info on me from being my very close confidant at one time , if it was soley to show residency shouldnt a voter reg card and bills and so forth be enuf

  27. paulie

    Jim’s explanation was

    Section 1. All adult residents of Nevada shall be considered members of the LPN provided they:
    A. Are and have been registered as Libertarian in Nevada for a period of not less than 30 days, and continue to be registered as Libertarian,
    and
    B. have donated at least Fifty Dollars ($50.00) to the LPN in the past 365 days, of which sum, Twenty-Five ($25.00) will be remitted to the Libertarian Party of the United States of America, and have certified in writing that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals.

    IV. CONVENTION

    Section 2.
    The LPN shall hold a Convention in Clark County, Nevada in odd numbered years for the purpose of electing Executive Committee Officers, amending these bylaws, and whatever business may be deemed necessary and proper.
    All LPN members who have registered with the Convention, are qualified to be Convention delegates.

    ————–
    Someone show me where in the bylaws these registration fees are authorized. It looks to me like the cost of participation was set with the membership dues. Legally speaking, since the bylaws already mention participation fees, silence is construed to mean that no other fees are permissible. The bylaws don’t say anything not herein prohibited are permissible. If the bylaws don’t grant the ExComm certain powers, they don’t have those powers.

  28. paulie

    me ! thats who . the chair , my close ex-friend knows icannot get a valid i.d ….i feel so special

    If I lived in Nevada I couldn’t be a delegate either, since I’m having trouble renewing ID due to non-association with SS numbers.

  29. paulie

    Alabama does not charge anything at all to attend, and we don’t check IDs or voter registration cards. Just show up. They were checking if people paid dues to the state ($20 or 25 iirc) but those who haven’t were deemed to have contributed time and labor.

  30. paulie

    “All LPN members who have registered with the Convention, are qualified to be Convention delegates.” They will claim that paying a fee and showing an ID is part of “registering with the convention.”

  31. Chuck Moulton

    Paulie wrote (@35):

    I’m surprised to hear that basic LP membership is limited to US citizens. I’ve never heard that before.

    It’s not.

    First of all at national you can become a member just by signing the pledge. It’s sustaining membership that requires dues.

    Second for some reason a lot of Libertarians seem to think our membership requirements are dictated by the state. They’re not.

    FEC rules regulate who we can accept money from, but not who can be a member. It’s perfectly reasonable for FEC accounting to differ from internal accounting — in fact that is the norm because we use cash basis accounting for the FEC and accrual basis accounting (GAAP) internally.

    There ought to be nothing that prevents me from buying membership for a friend. The FEC accounting would say the LP received money from me. The internal accounting would say the friend had dues paid. Unless money was funneled (the friend paid me so I would donate to the LP, obfuscating the donor), such a transaction is not illegal.

    Unfortunately there is a wrinkle. Prior bylaws (e.g., the 2002 version) defined membership in part as “Dues for membership in the Party shall be set by the National Committee.”, but later versions (e.g., the 2012 version) defined membership in part as “‘Sustaining member’ is any Party member who has given at least $25 to the Party in the prior twelve months, or who is a life member.” The latter definition (unlike the former) could reasonably be construed to require membership dues to come from that member (and not from someone else).

    This was one of the issues at the heart of the Lee Wrights controversy several LNC terms ago: Sean Haugh paid Lee’s dues, then later that payment was retroactively not accepted.

    State affiliates and national can allow foreign nationals to be members of the party if:
    1) they don’t require dues; or
    2) their bylaws permit others to pay dues on behalf of a person (without funneling money); or
    3) their state election regulations allow foreign nationals to contribute (unlikely, but theoretically possible for some non-FEC filing state affiliates).

  32. Thomas L. Knapp

    LG @ 37,

    I assumed that it was aimed at you and/or Jim Duensing and/or Jim Burns ;-)

    I haven’t had state-issued ID in years. Some time between 2003 and 2005, I lost my wallet. It had my driver’s license and Social Security card in it. The only copy I had of my birth certificate disappeared a long time ago (I’ve moved a number of times; I’ve been through … well, more than one … divorce; etc. Things get lost).

    I happened to stop driving about that time, so I wasn’t too worried about the license. When it expired in 2006, I thought about getting a “state non-driver ID,” but the post 9/11 and “real ID” requirements had kicked in, and in order to get one, I had to produce my Social Security card and my birth certificate.

    In order to get a new Social Security card, I had to produce my birth certificate and driver’s license.

    In order to get a new birth certificate, I had to produce my driver’s license and Social Security card.

    Apparently there are alternative procedures for getting a birth certificate, but, you know, fuck it. I don’t need any of that stuff nearly as much as the government wants me to have it.

  33. Marc Montoni

    First of all at national you can become a member just by signing the pledge. It’s sustaining membership that requires dues.

    I should have clarified that myself. Thanks Chuck.

    The latter definition (unlike the former) could reasonably be construed to require membership dues to come from that member (and not from someone else).

    Chuck brings up an interesting point here. If that rule were interpreted strictly (which the majority on the LNC does whenever it suits them), then anyone who renewed through their state party, where the state forwarded their dues to National, might be vulnerable to having their membership challenged.

    I don’t think that was done intentionally, but I could be wrong. As I recall there was such widespread disgust at the LNC’s adoption of the idiotic (and misnamed) “Zero Dues”, and then turning around and raising dues to $50, that a movement to take the issue of dues out of the hands of the LNC came from the bylaws committee and passed. Perhaps it was written in haste sufficient to make a few mistakes. Or perhaps that was the actual aim of the majority in the first place. Maybe the latter, as many of the same individuals who have been creating so many problems on the LNC were also on the LNC back then — and the LNC appoints the Bylaws Committee. I don’t know.

  34. Andy

    Chuck Moulton said: “This was one of the issues at the heart of the Lee Wrights controversy several LNC terms ago: Sean Haugh paid Lee’s dues, then later that payment was retroactively not accepted.”

    Another part of it was that one individual was working as a paid employee of the LP national office while the other was a candidate for the LNC. This made it a conflict of interest.

  35. Andy

    “Libertariangirl // Feb 28, 2013 at 10:34 am

    @Montoni id be happy to brinmg my voter reg card but only a state issued DL or id will do”

    Why should you have to bring anything? Everyone there already knows who you are.

  36. paulie

    Another part of it was that one individual was working as a paid employee of the LP national office while the other was a candidate for the LNC. This made it a conflict of interest.

    I thought Lee was already on LNC at that time.

    Why should you have to bring anything? Everyone there already knows who you are.

    Games.

    @Comstock Libertarians:

    Jason Smith: I would like to submit some ideas for bylaws. 1) no ponytails will be allowed on members of the excomm. 2) No members of the LPN will be allowed to serve on the excomm if they spend more than 30 consecutive days out of the state during the year…or a total of more than 60 days in one year.3) No member of the LPN that has been nominated to run for office, then refused to file or tell anyone that he didn’t intend to file may serve on the committee due to being a flake and not dependable.

  37. Andy

    Paulie said: “I thought Lee was already on LNC at that time. ”

    Even if he was it was still a conflict of interest given that one of the parties involved was a paid employee of the national party.

  38. paulie

    I don’t see paying someone’s dues as an issue. Anyone should be able to pay dues for any number of people.

    In this case iirc the explanation was that Lee actually paid it, but since he didn’t have a credit card he gave Sean the cash and Sean paid it on his card, or something like that (I don’t feel like researching it, but it’s in the archives).

  39. Wes Wagner

    Andy @53

    Because “being personally known to a person” is sufficient identification in order to notarize documents…

    …but it is clearly insufficient when you have the opportunity to disenfranchise someone you don’t like.

    Don’t you understand how libertarian politics works under the Starr-led reform faction?

  40. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    ww @ 57: “Because “being personally known to a person” is sufficient identification in order to notarize documents…”

    This is no longer the case. We need to see someone’s ID and document it, even if we know the person well.

  41. David Colborne

    I posted this on the LP Nevada’s FB feed – seems rather appropriate here as well.

    *********

    The biggest part that’s bugging me is the sense of entitlement among the LP Nevada leadership. “$115 is nothing for the cause of liberty. $17.76 a month ($213.12/year) plus $65 for the convention is barely adequate – if you can’t do that, it’s because you don’t care enough.”

    Really?

    Look, it’s swell that some poorer LP members are willing to pay that – Jonestown was also funded from the poorest of the poor, so I can see how that might work. However, we’re nowhere NEAR special enough to deserve that unwarranted sense of entitlement. What does an LP membership provide? A voice in shaping the party, determining how it’s run, and who represents us, both as candidates and as party leaders. This is something our competition provides FOR FREE, yet our party leadership feels… entitled? Short-changed, even? Because people aren’t rushing to see the value of the product we’re selling? If anything, we should be apologetic and working tirelessly to ensure that people can participate in the LP the same way they participate in the R’s, D’s, IAPN, and the Greens – for free, backed by generous contributions from people that want to see the party grow. We’re not a country club – we’re a political party! Throw a fundraiser! ASK for money, don’t just expect it!

    Seriously, if you want the LP Nevada’s finances to Improve, here’s what you need to do:

    * Ask for money. Joe Hassen was great at this – he’s why I became a Brigade member. He asked for my money, and he followed through after I paid to make sure I was getting value from the experience of being a Brigade member.
    * Ask for money. Throw fundraisers, mixers, and don’t be shy about how much you’re asking for.
    * Show where the money’s being spent. Let the donors know how much money was spent and on what. They’re shareholders. Treat them accordingly.

    We’ve been failing at this for far too long to cultivate an unearned sense of entitlement to other people’s money. We need to stop, remember we’re in the customer service industry, remember what our product is, and we need to SELL it. If I see the words, “I don’t see what the problem is” one more time, I’m going to scream. That attitude is toxic, inexcusable, and self-defeating.

  42. Libertariangirl

    YES paulie i was there when he did , before that under confidentiality someone very close to bill and joe told me Starr wrote them but that the disaster was Joes editing. i too found it odd when i mentioned ot to Bill he sid he wrote them , perhaps he was sicking to the original “story” or perhaps my source lied , but that is a long long shot knowing the person

    curiouser and curiouser

  43. Andy

    “paulie // Feb 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    I don’t see paying someone’s dues as an issue. Anyone should be able to pay dues for any number of people.”

    It is most certainly an issue if an employee of the national office pays the dues of a sitting LNC member, or somebody who is running for the LNC, or somebody who is running for the Presidential nomination or is a campaign manager for somebody running for the Presidential nomination. It is a conflict of interest. It could even be considered to be a bribe.

    “In this case iirc the explanation was that Lee actually paid it, but since he didn’t have a credit card he gave Sean the cash and Sean paid it on his card, or something like that (I don’t feel like researching it, but it’s in the archives).”

    Oh this is a bunch of bull. If he did not have a credit card he could have sent a check, and if he did not have a checking account he could have sent a money order. Money orders are available at Post Offices, most grocery stores, some mini-markets and liquor stores, etc… Heck, I’ve sent in my membership dues via money order before. This was just an excuse.

  44. Andy

    “paulie // Feb 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    I wouldn’t compare sending in $25 for someone’s annual dues to being a campaign manger for a candidate.”

    I would, because it is a conflict of interest for an employee of the national office to show favoritism to any campaign. He was in fact a candidate for LNC as well, and he was elected to the LNC, and while on the LNC he acted as an advocate for Haugh and he actively opposed disciplining or firing Haugh when it was blatantly obvious that Haugh was grossly incompetent and even engaged in criminal misconduct. Coincidence? I think not.

  45. Andy

    “paulie // Feb 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    They’re friends, I doubt it had anything to do with $25.00″

    That’s even more evidence that it was a conflict of interest.

  46. Steven Wilson

    The Missouri convention was free except for the awards luncheon. It was more of a business meeting and a strategy convention than in years past.

    Although not perfect, our EC and state leadership are rock solid in applied values of Libertarianism. There is no drama that I can think of and with so many other states in soap opera mode, new leaders are needed badly.

    Just a note, Jessica Paxton of Arkansas is now recruiting for LP candidates. If you know someone she can be reached rather easily at

    https://www.facebook.com/paxtonforarkansas

    Or you can contact her husband at

    Rodger Paxton Chair chair@lpar.org

    Not all of the states are like Oregon and Pennsylvania. LP has great people on the ground doing the work. I Love them all!

  47. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp // Feb 28, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Andy @ 69

    ‘I would, because I don’t like Lee Wrights.’

    There, fixed that for ya.”

    And that was an EXAMPLE of a reason why I don’t like him, as it is one example of how he’s a dirty hypocritical backstabbing phony two-face weasel who engages in underhanded tactics like a mentioned above.

    I don’t just dislike a person for no reason.

    He had a crony working in the national office – whom he had lobbied in favor of getting hired – who paid his membership dues (so he could remain eligible for the LNC) which is a blatant conflict of interest, and then while sitting on the LNC, he lobbied for this LNC employee to not be fired – or even disciplined – after this LNC employee proved themselves to be grossly incompetent and even engaged in criminal misconduct.

    This kind of insider cronyism is labeled as corruption when it is done by Democrats and Republicans, but because one of the individuals in questions has gone around and spouted some “radical Libertarian rhetoric” and has also “hooked up” with a woman who is well known in LP circles for spouting “radical Libertarian rhetoric” there are too many people in the party who turn a blind eye to the corruption that I mentioned above.

  48. Andy

    “paulie // Feb 28, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    For staff to be friends with LNC members?”

    Oh come off it! You are just playing dense here because you want people to like you.

    It’s not just friends, it was insider cronyism engaging in corruption.

    If Wrights didn’t have his shit together enough to pay his $25 dues on time then his ass should have been kicked off the LNC.

    Haugh should have been fired right then and there for paying his dues.

    During the summer of 2008 when Haugh caused multiple problems during petition drives – which played a major role in several of them failing – Haugh SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. Who on the LNC lobbied for him to not be fired? Wrights! I had an LNC member flat out tell me that fear of a backlash from Wrights was one of the reasons why Haugh did not get fired. I was at the freakin’ LNC meeting in San Diego in December of 2008, and I wanted it to be added to the LNC meeting minutes record that Haugh engaged in criminal conduct with the “Massachusetts attempted burning” incident so I commented on it during open comments, and then after the public comments were over Wrights shot his hand up and asked it to be added to the record that no signatures were actually burned. WELL NO FUCKING SHIT THAT NO SIGNATURES WERE BURNED! I EVEN SAID DURING MY COMMENTS THAT SEAN HAUGH ATTEMPTED TO HAVE 2,000 HIGH VALIDITY PETITION SIGNATURES BURNED WHETHER THEY WERE PAID FOR OR NOT, BUT THAT NOBODY IN MASSACHUSETTS WAS DERANGED ENOUGH TO CARRY OUT HIS CRIMINAL COMMAND. So I had ALREADY said that the signatures did not actually end up getting burned (only because Haugh was not there to burn them himself, nor was anyone there as crazy as he is to have carried that out). This was conveniently said by Wrights AFTER the public comments session was over, so I did not get a chance the add a rebuttal to the record. Why is it that Wrights felt so compelled to add that comment to the record? Once again, it had ALREADY BEEN STATED that the signatures did not end up getting burned, so what was the point of him doing that? Why in the hell would be so compelled as to add this to the record when no other LNC member did this, and there was in fact NO REASON for it? Why in the hell would he want to cover for this crazy fucked up goofball who played a major factor in several ballot access drives failing, and who caused the party to squander thousands up thousands of dollars? I call this cronyism and corruption.

  49. Stewart Flood

    Wow…after all this time the real facts regarding what happened to the membership are still unknown…

    Wow…

  50. Michael H. Wilson

    This is what is killing the LP. High prices are simply one of the many barriers to participation. One more example of petty ass controls freaks who have to have it their way.

  51. Andy

    “Libertariangirl // Mar 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I love me some Lee Wrights!:)”

    It sounds to me that you are the type of person who has to get burned rather than taking sound advice to not stick one’s hand in the fire.

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