Ed Reagan: “The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania’s Liberty Lyin’ Roars Again”

Submitted for publication and discussion by Ed Reagan, a candidate for Eastern Vice Chair of the Pennsylvania LP. For background see here and here.



Tom Stevens posted on the LPPa Board Business Yahoo group asking for help filling 3 committee chair openings.

I, Ed Reagan, replied to that post offering my assistance and cc’d the other LPPa Board members, since Tom Stevens is very selective as to what get past his moderation of the LPPa Board Business Yahoo group.

Below is the text of Tom Stevens’ request, my reply and finally Tom Stevens posting to the LPPa Board Business Yahoo group about me after banning me and not approving my reply.

Tom Stevens reacted by banning me from the LPPA’s Board Business, so I could not see his post about me, which seems to be his standard operating procedure. Claiming that I violated the “posting policy”. How is replying to a request for volunteers to chair committees and announce my candidacy for the Eastern Vice Chair of the LPPa a violation of the “posting policy”?

Please note that my reply regarding my qualifications for the three openings was sent to Tom Stevens’ Gmail account, the 6 board members (one of which is Tom Stevens) and the LPPa Board Business Yahoo Group. I guess after 19 years of formal education, Tom Stevens has yet to learn how to count, since it was sent to 6 people and the LPPa Board Business Yahoo Group, not the “20 or more people” that Tom Stevens claims .

Incidentally Tom Stevens problem with numbers may explain why he has for months been unable to produce accurate and timely LPPa membership numbers and reports to the County Chairs in Pennsylvania. Tom Stevens has even claimed to have collected 18,000 nomination petition signatures for Gary Johnson in Pennsylvania, when he was not legally allowed to collect signatures since he was not a resident of Pennsylvania at the time.

The only thing close to 18,000 that Tom Stevens can claim as Chairman of the LPPa, is the number of lies he has told. Which is why many in Pennsylvania call him the Liberty Lyin’ and are planning on ordering these shirts to wear to the LPPa State Convention (http://www.zazzle.com/liberty_lyin_t_shirt-235971051349978362).

Since Tom Stevens has been blocking me from using the communications channels of the LPPa to hold him accountable and to become more active in the LPPa. Please feel free to stop by the Facebook page for my campaign for Eastern Vice Chair of the LPPa to get to know me, ask me questions and find out who I am. https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Ed-Reagan/478242372241897

Tom Stevens sent the following post to the LPPA_BB list:

From: LPPA_BB@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPPA_BB@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rebelcrusader2525
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:52 AM
To: LPPA_BB@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPPA_BB] Fundraising, Newsletter & Grassroots Initiative Chairs Sought

The Fundraising, Newsletter & Grassroots Initiative
Committee Chairs have either resigned or have been
inactive.

Anyone interested in serving in those capacities through
this year’s Annual Convention should contact me at
PAFreedomActivist@…

In Liberty,

Dr. Tom Stevens
LPPA State Chair


Sent: Wed 2/27/2013 11:13 AM

From: Edward Douglas Reagan

To: ‘PAFreedomActivist@gmail.com’

Cc: ‘LPPA_BB@yahoogroups.com’; ‘Chair@lppa.org’; ‘EVChair@lppa.org’; ‘WVChair@lppa.org’; ‘Secretary@lppa.org’; ‘Treasurer@lppa.org’; ‘pastchair@lppa.org’

Tom,

I could help with any of the open positions, since I have experience in all three roles with other organizations that I work with. I will list in order of preference for each of the open positions.

Grassroots Initiative

I have been involved with doing grassroots lobbying and organizing in the area of gun rights and 2nd Amendment issues including:

National Rifle Association
Patron Life Member
Certified Firearms Instructor (Home Firearms Safety, Basic Pistol, and Personal Protection Inside the Home)
I am a NRA Institute for Legislative Action local volunteer in Pennsylvania
I am a NRA-ILA Frontlines volunteer for Pennsylvania
Provide updates from Pennsylvania regarding local governments violating state pre-emption
Involved with outreach including: letter writing, emails and phoning politicians to press for our agenda.

Second Amendment Foundation
Life Member
Provide legislative updates from Pennsylvania to the SAF
Provide updates from Pennsylvania regarding local governments violating state pre-emption

Firearms Owners Against Crime PAC
Member
Assist with obtaining the list of candidate from Northampton County so that FOAC can sent out their candidate surveys
Involved with outreach including: letter writing, emails and phoning politicians to press for our agenda.
Provide updates from regarding local governments violating state pre-emption
Visit the State Capitol complex several times a year to speak with legislators regarding gun rights and pending legislation.

I have been involved grassroots lobbying and organizing in the area of 1st Amendment, focusing the right to document the actions of public employees.

Cop Block
Provide information to Pete Eyre of Cop Block relating to issues in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland and Delaware.

Photography is Not a Crime
Provide information to Carlos Miller of PINAC from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland and Delaware.

I have been involved grassroots lobbying and organizing in the area of 10th Amendment.

Tenth Amendment Center
Work with Michael Boldin and Mike Maharrey of the Tenth Amendment Center on legislation in Pennsylvania and Wyoming to nullify laws passes by the Federal government in those states.

I have been involved grassroots lobbying and organizing in the area of Jury Nullification.

Fully Informed Jury Association
Have been involved with FIJA outreach in several counties in Pennsylvania.

Newsletter

I was the board member and newsletter editor for the Delaware Valley Chapter of the Appalachian Mountain Club.

Produced a quarterly 12 – 20 page newsletter that was distributed via bulk mail to our 1,500 members in eastern Pennsylvania, Southern NJ, Northeastern Maryland and Delaware.
When I worked at Strohl Systems Group I managed the mailing of our mailing lists.
Handled the mailing or quarterly newsletter to 2,000 customers and over 20,000 prospective customers.

Fundraising

Friends of the NRA
Assisted with organizing numerous Friends of the NRA events:
Event Organization
Raffles
Auctions
Silent Auctions
Games of Chance

Alpha Phi Omega – National Service Fraternity
Conducted several fund raisers when I was involved as an undergrad which included:
Outreach to alumni for donations
Direct Mail
Raffles
Beef & Beers
Casino Bus Trips

Freedom Riders Motorcycle Club
Conducted several fund raisers when I was a member of the club:
Raffles
Poker Runs
Band Events

Various Organization
Assisted with development of fundraising efforts including
Raffles
Direct Mail
Internet Affiliate Programs

As documented above you can see that I bring a wealth of real world experience in each of the areas that the LPPa needs assistance with. Please let me know which committee you would like me to chair, and also keep in mind that I could also lend my expertise to other committees that need assistance based upon the skill sets that I have. I know this is a temporary assignment until the state convention in April, and I will work with the new state chair to transition the committee to new leader if I am elected as Eastern Vice Chair.

Respectfully,

Ed

Edward Douglas Reagan


Ed Reagan was banned from this group for multiple violations of the posting policy. Prior to his appeal to the Judicial Committee (said appeal that was dismissed with prejudice), I permitted him to rejoin but with the caveat that if he attempted to post one additional post in violation of the posting policy, that he would be banned again.

I just rejected one such message and sent Mr. Reagan the following note:

Mr. Reagan,

This post is in violation of the posting policy of the LPPA_BB Yahoo Group.

When you were permitted to re-join this group, you were told that one additional violation would result in your being banned again.

That decision has been taken.

In Liberty,

Dr. Tom Stevens
LPPA State Chair

In the rejected message, which he sent to 20 or more people setting forth his “qualificiations” to chair a number of committees, he politely addressed me so you could see what a nice guy he is and he announced that he is running for Eastern Vice-Chair, even though he has been in the LPPA and a registered Libertarian Party member for less than a year.

Mr. Reagan switched his registration from Republican to Libertarian last May. He then volunteered to help in defending our petitions. Unlike other volunteers, Mr. Reagan asked questions about our strategy and defense and pushed himself into meetings with our attorney Paul Rossi. More information came to my attention and he was not permitted an active role in the Northampton County LP. Then this past January, 2013, the delegates attending the Northampton County LP Annual Convention explicitedly and unanimously voted not to endorse Ed Reagan for any public office in 2013 or 2014. Subsequently, Mr. Reagan ran for Treasurer of the Montgomery County LP and he has now announced he is running for Eastern Vice-Chair.

In the meantime, Mr. Reagan has continued to identify LPPA members, add them as friends on Facebook and then, in my opinion, he engaged in a course of conduct not productive to the growth of the LPPA.

I will continue to defend the LPPA against efforts to undermine our growth and degrade our ability to successfully field a gubernatorial candidate in 2014.

In Liberty,

Dr. Tom Stevens
LPPA State Chair
Congratulations on your campaign to run for Eastern Vice Chair of the LPPa. I wish you luck!

138 thoughts on “Ed Reagan: “The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania’s Liberty Lyin’ Roars Again”

  1. paulie Post author

    Is there a copy of the policy Ed Reagan supposedly violated so that he was banned from LPPA-BB? In what way did his message listing his qualifications violate such a policy?

  2. Ed Reagan

    From the intoduction page of the LPPA_BB Yahoo Group:

    This Yahoo Group is for official communication and the discussion of business by members of the Board of Directors of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania.

    This Yahoo Group will be moderated and posts may be rejected on any number of possible grounds deemed inappropriate at the time. The Moderator will attempt to be tolerant and promises to do his best.

    Off-topic posts not directly related to Board Business are not permitted. Posts containing only links without proper context will be deemed uncivil and multiple attempts to post off-topic posts will be considered abusive and may result in the poster being banned from this group.

    In order for Board Members to engage in free and open discussion, please do not re-post communications you read here in other forums.

    It is recommended that all members of this group elect to receive “Individual” e-mails so they can respond to posts in a timely manner.

    If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact LPPA Chair Dr. Tom Stevens at DrTomStevens@aol.com

  3. paulie Post author

    “Posts may be rejected on any number of possible grounds deemed inappropriate at the time”

    Sounds a bit too open ended.

  4. Steve Scheetz

    “In order for Board Members to engage in free and open discussion, please do not re-post communications you read here in other forums.”

    “free and open discussion” but in the interest of being open, don’t let anyone else see what is posted here…

    Have I got that right?

    BTW, Ed, the way I understood the above policy: Tom has written in the ability to use his moderation powers however he sees fit.

    “Moderator will attempt to be tolerant and promises to do his best.”

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  5. Jill Pyeatt

    Groan. What’s with these men with such control issues (yes, I’m talking about Dr. Stevens)? Someone like that has no business being in a leadership position.

  6. Ed Reagan

    So I violated the policy by replying to a post by Tom Stevens asking for help finding three news committe chairs, to replace the three he ran off.

    I cc’ed the other board members since Tom Stevens has consisently not allowed my posts on the LPPA_BB lis and has blocked me from sending emails to DrTomStevens@aol.com.

    Tom has also banned and blocked me from seeing any of the LPPa and LPPa affiliated county and regional party Facebook and Meetup groups he controls.

    Once Tom Stevens had identifed me as a threat to his re-election as LPPa Chair in September of 2012 he has systematically tried to block me from any communicaton vehicle that he controls.

    Due to this I have been reaching out to the LPPa affiliated county and regional committees and attending their meeting. Since the beginning of 2012 I have attended the meetings of these committees :

    - Bucks County LP – 1 time
    - Chester County LP – 1 time and attending tonight’s mseeting
    - Delaware County LP – 1 time
    - Montgomery County LP – 3 times
    - York County LP – 2 times

    For the record I have only seen Tom Stevens, the LPPa Chair, and Betsy Summers, the LPPa Eastern Vice Chair at the one Bucks County LP meeting.

    This coming weekend I and other candidates running for the board of the LPPa at this year’s state convention will be traveling to Pittsburgh to meet with member of the Pittsburgh LP.

    This event is being hosted by the Pittsburgh LP, Liberty on The Rocks Pittsburgh, Pitt Students For Liberty, Duquesne Young Americans for Liberty, Pennsylvania Tenth Amendment Center and other groups.

    This event will allow us to introducing our slate of “True Libertarians” candidates for the LPPa board, to this large gatheirng of Libertartians and other liberty lovers in the western half of Pennsylvania to help regain Libertarian control of the LPPa from the hands of a self-important Objectivst tyrant and master bullshit artist.

  7. Ed Reagan

    Jill @ 11

    Left to Right: Chuck Moulton, Jay Edgar (NJ LP Chair), Gigi Bowman, and myself.

    We are not “fans” of Tom in the traditional meaning of the word. This was more a sarcastic use of the word “fan”. Along the same line of using “Doctor” to describe a person with a J.D.

  8. Sling blade

    Is doctor tom doing the banning from his undisclosed location?

    I thought he was traumatized from his assassination attempt. Isn’t he concerned the powers that be might trace his IP address, locating his lions den?

  9. paulie Post author

    The Anarcho-Amish Mafia can’t trace IP addresses, especially when they have been anonymized. But they will unleash the full power of their automatic potato guns on any of their enemies who dare show their face in public :-P

  10. NewFederalist

    Are there any serious people left in the LPPA? I joined recently (the first time I have joined a state affiliate of the LP in 28 years) and just as soon as I did all this silliness about assassination attempts and maniacal email list controlling and all that sort of stuff just came from nowhere. Is there enough of a state party left to make it worth my time to get involved? I go back a very long way in LP measured time (my first national membership card was signed by Ed Crane) and in my Golden Years I was hoping to help make a difference for my children and my grandchild. Am I just wasting my time? I was a County Chair and a nominee for County Commissioner as well as U.S. Senate about 30 years ago. If the LPPA is simply going to implode I just don’t want to waste whatever time I have left tilting at windmills. Serious people, please advise. Thank you.

  11. Wes Wagner

    NF @21

    Don’t put your faith in institutions… just grab all the good people you can find and stuff them into your personal network. It doesn’t matter if the LPPa does or does not implode so long as you have collected every person in the state that is worth a damn into your own personal network.

    Things don’t get accomplished by governments, they get accomplished by people — even silly quasi-government constructs like the LPPa … sometimes if the structure is helpful, it can be of use… when it is no longer of use, don’t be irrationally attached to it.

  12. paulie Post author

    There’s a team of Libertarians running including Steve Scheetz for chair and Ed Reagan for Eastern Vice Chair, hopefully you will be at the convention to support them and put an end to the “fun” and games.

  13. NewFederalist

    Wes, I appreciate your comments. I am no longer filled with enough testosterone to desire to be the leader. I did enough of that in 33 years in the Navy. I just want to get on board with the right folks to help make the LP a significant force in PA politics. I really despise the Democrats and Republicans.

  14. Wes Wagner

    NF @25

    Then don’t “lead”… just be a friend to the best of them and work on that which excites you that they have going on … that alone inspires others to do the same.

  15. paulie Post author

    Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania 2013 State Convention

    When:

    Start date:
    Friday, April 26, 2013 – 6:00pm
    End date:
    Saturday, April 27, 2013 – 10:00pm
    Time Zone:
    US/Eastern
    Where:

    Danville Days Inn Conference Center
    50 Sheraton Road
    Danville, PA 17821
    Description:

    Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania 2013 State Convention.

    Please note, Saturday’s Convention Dinner will be held at:
    A Taste Of Italy Restaurant
    6007 Columbus Boulevard
    Bloomsburg, PA 17815

    All other info TBA – please visit http://www.lppa.org/ for updates.

  16. Jill Pyeatt

    NF, a good leader will help use your talents to maximize effectiveness. Hopefully you’ll have good county chair who can do that.

  17. paulie Post author

    Just make sure it’s not one of Dr. Stevens’ parallel county committees. He sets up “new” affiliates where there are existing active affiliates he does not like or control.

  18. Nick

    @30 that was also a trick used by the Buchanon Brigade when they took over the Reform Party. The Libertarians really need to watch this guy.

  19. Andy

    “14 paulie // Feb 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    And for your musical entertainment…”

    Did somebody call for Dr. Love?:)

  20. James Babb

    WesW @23
    Best advice ever.

    NewFed @21
    Pennsylvania has a fantastic libertarian movement. Yes, we have fun, but the folks here do amazing work. Our Philly area group is second to none. We have no need for national or statewide organizations. There are plenty of projects to join, even if the LP is in shambles at the moment.

  21. NewFederalist

    I am not even certain that if I show up at the state convention I would have standing. The only person who has contacted me since I joined via the website is Tom Stevens. I have no LPPA membership card (but to be fair I don’t have one from national, either) and although I am registered Libertarian I am not sure I would be even able to vote if I showed up at the convention. Can anyone tell me what is required? The Dauphin County LP has apparently ceased to exist so I have no idea if I would be allowed to vote at the convention.

  22. paulie Post author

    Well, it’s only $25.00 to be a sustaining member of national, if that’s part of the deal. You may already be a free member, but their records may not be accurate for the 1970s and 80s, so you may want to make sure. PA people can answer your question about state requirements. I can’t imagine that being from a county with an active affiliate would be a requirement.

  23. Andy

    “The Dauphin County LP has apparently ceased to exist so I have no idea if I would be allowed to vote at the convention.”

    Wow, why did the Dauphin County LP cease to exist? Did it get absorbed into the Greater Harrisburg Liberty Alliance or what? Is the Cumberland County LP still around?

  24. NewFederalist

    I have paid $25 to national for the past 18 years but I used to regularly refuse the membership card and ask them to carry me as an LP News subscriber only. I guess they no longer issue cards unless one requests one. I usually contributed more than the $25 subscription fee but usually at a different time during the year. With all the uproar about IDs and such I just want to make sure that if I decide to attend the PA state convention I don’t get shafted because I don’t have the right ID. That would really piss me off especially at a Libertarian gathering.

  25. NewFederalist

    “Wow, why did the Dauphin County LP cease to exist? Did it get absorbed into the Greater Harrisburg Liberty Alliance or what? Is the Cumberland County LP still around?”

    I don’t know the answer to this. I used to get emails regularly from the Dauphin County LP but they stopped a year or so ago. According to a Tom Stevens email to me they just ceased to exist. Now given all the turmoil and distrust and parallel organizations I don’t know what to believe. All I have to prove my LPPA membership is my PayPal receipt.

  26. Steve Scheetz

    NF… please feel free to contact me off list… I work nights, but I can be reached before 4 p.m.

  27. Mark Axinn

    Ed and others–

    I will use this opportunity to address a far more important issue than Tom Stevens:

    On Monday, my wife and I drove back to NYC from our second home in Akron, Ohio, and availed ourselves of stopping at your recommendation in Bloomsburg, The Inn at Turkey Hill.

    Excellent recommendation!

  28. Erik Viker

    The LPPA organization has become the stuff of entertainment and little else. It’s unfortunate for government reform efforts, but cheaper than a movie.

  29. paulie Post author

    Email from Ed Reagan:

    Members of the Board of the LPPA,

    Today when I went to access the LPPA_BB Yahoo Group I got the
    following message:

    You have been banned from this group by the group moderator (Yahoo! ID
    banned: edreagan@ymail.com). You may not join the group LPPA_BB.

    It appears that Tom Stevens has banned me for, according to him, “This
    post is in violation of the posting policy of the LPPA_BB Yahoo
    Group.”

    The post in question was a reply to Tom Stevens request for 3 new
    committee chairs. I replied with my qualifications for each of the
    open committee chairs and to share that I am running for Eastern Vice
    Chair of the LPPA.

    Please help me understand how replying to a post is grounds for being
    banned from the LPPA_BB Yahoo group?

    Since I am unable to address these issues on the official
    communications channels of the LPPA (LPPA_BB, LPPA Facebook page,
    etc.). I have had the email thread posted on the Independent Political
    Report website for all to see how Tom Stevens operates, and uses fraud
    to defame me and to achieve his political and social goals.

    Here is a link to the posting:
    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/02/ed-reagan-the-libertarian-party-of-pennsylvanias-liberty-lyin-roars-again/

    There was Board resolution that supported the fact that all members of
    the LPPA members would have access to monitor the Board business that
    takes place on the Yahoo LPPA_BB site.

    I paid my 2013 LPPA dues on February 4, 2013, thus I am a me,

    The LPPA Policy Manual states in Section V. Board of Directors, 8.
    Communications Policy, C.: “These e-mail lists will be maintained as
    official means of communication between the LPPA and its membership:
    LPPA_BB (Board Business) and LPPA_CD (Chapter Development).”

    I am a member of the LPPA and would like to have access to the “means
    of communication between the LPPA and its membership: LPPA_BB (Board
    Business) and LPPA_CD (Chapter Development).”

    Since Chairman Stevens is the sole moderator of the LPPA_BB list, can
    you please investigate this violation of the LPPA Policy Manual and
    subsequent Board Resolution reinforcing that all members of the LPPA
    have access to monitor the LPPA’s Board Business on the LPPA_BB Yahoo
    Group.

    I am also formally requesting the LPPA membership lists for 2012 and
    2013, so that I may mail campaign materials to the members of the
    LPPA, since I am running for LPPA Eastern Vice Chair.

    If these issues are not resolved by 5 PM EST on March 6, 2013 I will
    have no choice but seek a legal remedy due to the actions of the
    Chairman for multiple violations of the LPPA Constitution, Bylaws,
    Policy Manual and Board Resolutions.

    I am also prepared to seek legal remedy against the rest of the Board
    of Directors of the LPPA for dereliction of duty in regards to
    allowing the Chairman to violate the LPPA Constitution, Bylaws, Policy
    Manual, Board Resolutions and violating the non-initiation of force
    oath, since Tom Stevens has systematically used “fraud as a means of
    achieving political or social goals” when dealing with me and others.

    Thank you for a timely resolution to both of these issues.

    Respectfully,

    Ed

    Edward Douglas Reagan

  30. paulie Post author

    Reply from Betsy Summers:

    What is the policy on our member list. When I received it in the past I had to sign a nondisclosure statement. We should have a list available for people that are running for office.
    Do we have a list of people attending the convention, since they will be the ones voting.

    Yours in Liberty

    Betsy Summers

  31. Ed Reagan

    So according the Tom Stevens’ post the LPPA FB page, the LPPA currenty has 247 members as of 3/1/2013. That is 5 more members than the 242 members the LPPA had on 12/31/2011 as reported by Tom Stevens in the same post.

  32. paulie Post author

    Email correspondence @59-60 continues:

    Ed Reagan writes:

    Betsy and the LPPA Board,

    The LPPA Policy Manual states:

    IX.Membership Database Use Policy.
    Public data may be used as follows:
    c) Anyone other than an approved candidate may request to use member data to pursue the activities of their candidacy. In these cases, a county or regional committee as certified by the committee chair may approve such requests when the data requested is within their county or region. All other requests for information outside of the committee’s jurisdiction must be approved by the Board of Directors. Copies of all mailings shall be sent to the Secretary of the party before or coincident with the date of the mailing. This is for the purpose of review and does not constitute prior approval by the Board of Directors.

    Since the LPPA is currently without a Secretary and the Membership Committee Chair recently resigned I am sending my request for membership data to the whole LPPA board, so that it can be forwarded to current “keeper of the LPPA Member Database” and the Board as a whole can help assist with this request being fulfilled, since I do not have confidence that the Chairman assist with this request.

    Noting that “All requests for data shall be acted upon in a timely manner except that all requests should be responded to within two weeks.” I will expect to receive the data by March 15, 2013 at the latest, and anything you could do to expedite the request will be gratefully appreciated so that I can send my mailings via a non-profit bulk rate rather than first class postage.

    Thank you all in advance for your assistance with this request.

    Respectfully,
    Ed

    Edward D. Reagan

  33. paulie Post author

    On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Dr. Tom Stevens wrote:

    The Membership Committee Chair has not resigned. The Secretary is still in office and the keeper of the Membership Database is alive and well.

    I will forward Mr. Reagan’s request to the appropriate people and it shall be responded to within 2 weeks.

    Thanks,

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    LPPA State Chair

  34. paulie Post author

    Ed Reagan replies:

    Tom,

    Your lies continue, unabated.

    From the LPPA Board Meeting Agenda that you distributed vie the LPPA_BB Yahoo group for the January 26, 2013 board meeting, item #9 reads:

    “9. Ron Goodman has resigned as Membership Committee Chair due to new work commitments but will continue to serve as a member of the Membership Committee. He has also given up his role as Membership Database Manager. Marc Connuck has taken over responsibilities as Membership Database Manager and Matthew Kelly has been handling Membership Committee Chair responsibilities since Ron Goodman’s resignation.”

    At the last two LPPA board meetings that I attended, you appointed a new LPPA Secretary. At the September 2012 board meeting you appointed Patrick Killy, and at the January 2013 you appointed I believe Marc Connuck. Erik Viker was elected at the 2012 state convention to be LPPA Secretary but for some reason he resigned, some how I do not think it was the 0.6 mile drive from his house to the board meetings that was the factor in his resignation.

    Seems like there has been a revolving door installed on the LPPA secretary position this year, not to mention numerous committee chairs going AWOL under your leadership. Care to explain this?

    What I can not understand is the fact that you have three committee chair openings: grassroots; newsletter and fundraising. All of which I have many years of experience with and would provide a major benefit to the LPPA. Instead of embracing my skills, knowledge and experience in these three areas, you chose to react to my offer of assistance as an opportunity to ban me from the LPPA_BB Yahoo group.

    Once again you then too the opportunity to post about, me once I was banned, and keeping with your standard operating procedure it was filled with lies. You wrote “In the rejected message, which he sent to 20 or more people”, when in reality it was sent to 6 individuals (LPPA Chair, EVC, WVC, Secretary, Treasurer & Past Chair) and the LPPA_BB Yahoo group. Acting in you role as moderator of the LPPA_BB list I am going to assume you did not approve my reply to be posted.

    So can you please document the 18+ additional people you claim that I sent this to?

    I am still not able to re-join the LPPA_BB Yahoo group. Please let me know when you have removed that ban, which is in direct violation of the board resolution that was passed because of your habit of banning people for no good reason.

    Growing up no one liked the kid who kicked people out of his sandbox and could not play well with others. That kid is even less liked when he grew-up, obtained 19 years of formal eduction and is still acting like the same little kid. Grow up Tom, act like a man, not a whiny, spoiled, little kid.

    Lastly is there any LPPA announcements or news that you would like me to share with the Pennsylvania Tenth Amendment Center, the Pittsburgh Libertarian Party, the Pitt Students for Liberty, the Duquesne Young Americans for Liberty or the Pittsburgh Americas Future Foundation? Since Steve Scheetz and myself will be meeting with all of them tomorrow in Pittsburgh, and we would gladly pass along any LPPA announcements or news for you.

    Respectfully,
    Ed

    Edward D. Reagan

  35. paulie Post author

    Tom Stevens replies:

    Just because I do not respond does not mean anything that is said about me is true.

    Period.

    TRS

  36. paulie Post author

    Steve Scheetz replies:

    Tom Stevens sent this e-mail to the LPPA lists that he controls. I personally requested these lists and received silence. In fact, I have received nothing from anyone within the LPPA other than to ask me what I was asking for, AFTER I asked for it, and then the silence was deafening. There was no response from the Membership Chair, none from the Secretary, and the keeper of the database? Is the LPPA so huge that it has a “keeper of the database?”

    Instead of receiving the information I requested, I was slandered, by the LPPA Chair. Some of the LPPA Chairperson’s comments were so absurd that they served to help promote an event that the Montgomery County Libertarian Committee hosted. (Dr. Tom Stevens’s “Extraordinary Alert” e-mail in which he attempted to make the Pennsylvania Libertarian Organizational Workshop, a failure.) Given the fact that the entirety of the membership of the Montgomery County Libertarian Committee has been banned from posting on “official” LPPA channels, we were unable to promote our event as effectively as we could have.

    Thankfully, Tom’s efforts did not succeed, and we currently have all of the video from that day up on the internet. On a side note, through efforts made by Ed Reagan and others, we managed to move to a new venue, set up, and start the stream a couple hours late, but given that our original venue started burning down, with us in it, right as we were starting the original stream, I will take the nearly 100 people watching both live and on-line as a win.

    This brings us up to the current date. The LPPA Chairman, who has a vested interest in preventing me from receiving the membership list in order to help me with my campaign against him, has been working extremely hard to stop me from receiving the information I have requested. The same can be said for Ed Reagan’s request.

    Finally, the chairman should not have control of the official LPPA communications list particularly when he continues to demonstrate that he is working to ensure that nobody other than Tom Stevens has access. His continued use of force in this regard is in direct opposition to the Pledge one must take when he/she becomes a member of the LPPA.

    I need the contact list for the 2012 and 2013 LPPA members. As a candidate for State Chair, it should be furnished to me so that I can send mailings to the members of the LPPA regarding my campaign / candidacy.

    Your prompt attention to this matter is required. A statement that a response from the “appropriate” person will be forthcoming in 2 weeks will be viewed as the current chair’s continued use of force to achieve his political goals.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

    Chair, Montgomery County Libertarian Committee

  37. paulie Post author

    Note the following from Ed Reagan @59:


    “If these issues are not resolved by 5 PM EST on March 6, 2013 I will
    have no choice but seek a legal remedy due to the actions of the
    Chairman for multiple violations of the LPPA Constitution, Bylaws,
    Policy Manual and Board Resolutions.

    I am also prepared to seek legal remedy against the rest of the Board
    of Directors of the LPPA for dereliction of duty in regards to
    allowing the Chairman to violate the LPPA Constitution, Bylaws, Policy
    Manual, Board Resolutions and violating the non-initiation of force
    oath, since Tom Stevens has systematically used “fraud as a means of
    achieving political or social goals” when dealing with me and others.”

  38. paulie Post author

    From Tom Stevens:

    Let’s be clear. This e-mail thread and all posts in reaction thereto has been sent to Paulie Frankel and Starchild in California and a whole list of bcc’s not noted (most out of state) and is meant as continued anti-LPPA propaganda. Most, if not all posts, are submitted and posted to Independent Political Report in a thread which currently implies again that I am a pedophile by having a post of me in the pontiff’s outfit with the slogan, Dr. Tom Stevens for Pope – For The Children! Other photos are posted there as well as is advertising selling teeshirts with my photo on a backdrop of the Cowardly Lion from The Wizard of Oz.

    In addition, Paul Frankel is associated with Andy Jacobs and others interested in obtaining LPPA business as paid petitioners. The daily attacks against me and the LPPA may have resulted in violence against me as previously reported.

    While we posted the attendees at all our events. the “100 people” who attended the Montgomery County LP workshop remain secret. Who were they and from what counties? Why the secrecy?

    This destruction and slander against and the LPPA is being carried out in the name of Steve Scheetz by Ed Reagan, his Campaign Manager and others. It is being carried out in public and is pure propaganda.

    I will not spend every day of my term in office answering the lie after lie posted to you and everyone else they can get to listen.

    I will continue to work with diligence to build the party and to promote liberty.

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    LPPA State Chair

  39. paulie Post author

    My response:

    On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Dr. Tom Stevens wrote:

    Let’s be clear. This e-mail thread and all posts in reaction thereto has been sent to Paulie Frankel and Starchild in California and a whole list of bcc’s not noted (most out of state)

    p] How do you know it’s sent to BCCs? As far as I can see only myself, Starchild and Jill Pyeatt are out of state.

    TS) and is meant as continued anti-LPPA propaganda.

    P] The facts speak for themselves. If anyone, not just you, would like to provide an alternative explanation for them, it will get aired.

    TS) Most, if not all posts, are submitted and posted to Independent Political Report

    p} Cockroaches scurry in the light of day, but humans welcome it.

    TS) in a thread which currently implies again that I am a pedophile by having a post of me in the pontiff’s outfit with the slogan, Dr. Tom Stevens for Pope – For The Children!

    P] I don’t know whether that’s what it implies, and it was a comment posted by some anonymous person speaking only for themselves. I’ve also posted some humor in the thread as well. However, I wouldn’t recommend taking it too literally or reading too much into it.

    [not in the email: Actually, upon review I see that I posted it here. It was a graphic from the Stevens "fan" page, which I used to illustrate what the "fan" page was about. I have no idea whether any of the young men Dr. Stevens associates with are underage or whether he has sex with any of them, nor was I implying that I do. I don't know what the original author of the graphic - I don't recall who that was, if I ever knew - meant by it, either. ]

    TS) Other photos are posted there as well as is advertising selling teeshirts with my photo on a backdrop of the Cowardly Lion from The Wizard of Oz.

    P] You are, as a state party political chair, a public person. If someone thinks they can make money by poking a little fun, more power to them.

    [I meant state political party chair].

    Feel free to make a t-shirt of me as the Scarecrow or the Tin Man. You can even make me Toto or that guy behind the curtain. Why, I could even be Dorothy. Have fun!

    And, once again, you are referring to comments, not anything IPR posted as an article.

    TS) In addition, Paul Frankel is associated with Andy Jacobs and others interested in obtaining LPPA business as paid petitioners. The daily attacks against me and the LPPA may have resulted in violence against me as previously reported.

    P] I have no idea why you think my former profession has anything to do with anything. I thought I already corrected you on this error on another list.

    TS) While we posted the attendees at all our events. the “100 people” who attended the Montgomery County LP workshop remain secret. Who were they and from what counties? Why the secrecy?

    P] I read the reference to a hundred people which included those watching online. I doubt anyone has a list of those. For that matter, what makes you think someone took roll of those who were there in person?

    TS) This destruction and slander against and the LPPA is being carried out in the name of Steve Scheetz by Ed Reagan, his Campaign Manager and others. It is being carried out in public and is pure propaganda.

    P] You mean, you didn’t actually ban Ed Reagan from the official LPPA email list for the high crime of offering to help with volunteer tasks and listing his relevant experience? Did someone make that up?

    TS) I will not spend every day of my term in office answering the lie after lie posted to you and everyone else they can get to listen.

    p] Well, that’s your choice, but if you or someone who agrees with you doesn’t provide your side of the story I have to go with what I can get.

  40. paulie Post author

    Steve Scheetz replies:

    To All Concerned:

    This response, from Dr Tom is EXACTLY what I was referring to when I wrote my e-mail. Instead of doing his job, the Chairman has taken time to write the e-mail below. Below that is a copy of my most recent request for the LPPA membership list. Ladies and gentlemen, if you believe, as I do, that we deserve better, please join me in Danville at 8:00AM on April 27th at the Days Inn.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

    Chair, Montgomery County Libertarian Committee

  41. paulie Post author

    Ed Reagan replies:

    Tom,

    Let me be “extraordinarily” clear.

    You chose in September 2012, after I questioned why a resident of Queens, NY was the Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. I mentioned to you that I was planning on introducing a bylaw amendment to require state and county residency to be eligible to be a state or county board member. You chose to ban me from the LPPA Board Business Yahoo group and then posted a defamatory post about me filled with inaccuracies. Violating the the LPPA’s non-initiation of force oath, by your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” Instead of going to the state convention and advocating against the bylaw change. You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    You chose as the non-resident Chair of my county LP to write bylaws that only allow member who are intvited to join by the board. You have told me that I am not welcome to join my own county LP. I would have joined me county LP and use my time to grow the county LP and run candidates in the county. You chose to block my joining the Northampton County LP, so all of my energy that I would have used to grow the county LP I am using to expose who you really are and to campaign against your re-election as LPPA Chair. You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    You chose to ban and block me from the LPPA Board Business Yahoo Group and every Facebook page and Meetup groups that you control. Since I could not use the official LPPA communications channels to demonstrate your violating the the LPPA’s non-initiation of force oath, by your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” I have taken to other Facebook pages. I am attending in person ALL the county and regional LPPA chapers meetings that I can get to, including driving 315 miles today to Pittsburgh with Steve Scheetz to campaign against you. Since 1/1/2013 I have been to 3 Montgomery County LP meetings; 2 York County LP meeting; 2 Chester County LP meetings, 1 Bucks County LP meeting, 1 Delaware County LP meeting and 1 Pittsburgh LP meeting. Lastly since I can not utilized the LPPA’s communications channels to respond to you, I have been working with several people at the IPR to expose who you really are. You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    You chose to post about me and others to the LP State Chairs list, violating the the LPPA’s non-initiation of force oath, by your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” I have several friends who are state chairs and they forward to me your posts. You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    Tom you intitiated the campaign of destruction and slander against me, violating the the LPPA’s non-initiation of force oath, by your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    I have not intentions of destroying the LPPA, I do however will put my full time, energy and money in to making sure that when the votes are counted on April 27th at the LPPA state convention that you are no longer the Chairman of the LPPA. I will also work with the new Chairman and Board to make sure the first item of business the new board takes on is terminating your membership in the LPPA due to your violating the the LPPA’s non-initiation of force oath, by your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    I never use the threat of violence to solve anything. I do however believe in exposing your actions and your systematic use of the “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals.” to a wide audience so that not only are you no longer apart of the LPPA, but also to ensure that you are not welcome in any state LP anywhere in the country. You chose the wrong option, with the Manhattan LP, the New York LP and now the Pennsylvania LP and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    Lastly stop the accusations related to the so called van incident. I was at the Valley Forge Beef and Ale attending the Montco LP’s workshop when the building caught fire with many other people that you direct your “initiation of force or fraud as a means of achieving political or social goals” towards. Not one person in that building has made accusation that you were involve with that fire. So stop the shit about the van incident, because if hear you mention or post about it one more time I am going to pick up my cell phone, and call my cousin who is the chief of police in the township where Valley Forge Beef and Ale is located and tell him to investigate you for arson and the attempted murder of 18 people who were in the Valley Forge Beef and Ale when it caught fire. Go ahead and keep spreading your bullshit Tom, and you will once again have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    So Tom are you going to stop playing all your petty games? Are you going to lift my ban on the LPPA_BB list and allow ALL the LPPA members to join Yahoo Group? Are you going to lift my ban on the LPPA Facebook page and allow ALL the LPPA members to join Yahoo Group? Are you going to release the membership lists to me and Steve so that we can send our campaign materials to the LPPA membership?

    Do you have the time to deal with being investigated for arson and the attempted murder of 18 people? Especially since you were charged in 1993 in a murder for hire scheme (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/06/nyregion/young-republican-arrested-in-murder-scheme.html). I am sure the nice police officers will belive you, due to your stellar track record when it come to the truth. Keep playing your games Tom, becasue all you have is pawns and I am one move away from checkmate.

    Respectfully,
    Ed

  42. Andy

    “In addition, Paul Frankel is associated with Andy Jacobs and others interested in obtaining LPPA business as paid petitioners. ”

    First off, I had NOTHING to do with this thread.

    Second of all, I’m actually a member of the LP of PA.

    Finally, from the sounds of what happened on the last petition drive for the LP of PA, it sounds like they need all the help that they can get.

  43. paulie Post author

    , it sounds like they need all the help that they can get.

    Some of them may need professional help. And not necessarily just from petitioners.

  44. Jill Pyeatt

    Wow, while everyone was talking about the Oregon LP, which has actually been consistently productive during the tug-of-war for power, all this was going on across the country! I hope this nonsense is stopped, once and for all, in April.

  45. Jill Pyeatt

    I find it interesting that Dr. Stevens blames Starchild with this publicity from the last few weeks. I don’t think he had anything to do with it~

  46. Erik Viker

    The conflict and divisiveness makes me one LPPA member who has decided to drop out of statewide activism until I can once again have confidence in my colleagues. I will probably check back in about three years.

  47. David Colborne

    I have an idea – let’s toss all the state LP “problem children” into the same LNC Region and see who they choose as a representative – and how. Should be entertaining to watch.

  48. Stewart Flood

    The state party is not the problem. They somehow were con’d into electing a really bad chairman. It happens. It happened here in South Carolina a decade ago. It has happened in other states as well.

    The solution? Hopefully the same solution we came up with here at our next convention when it was so obvious to him that the delegates would vote him out that he suddenly changed his mind and “retired”. His hand picked candidates for other positions were much smarter and never even came to the convention floor.

    I have confidence that our fellow libertarians in my home state will throw the bum out. I look forward to reading about it in April.

  49. NewFederalist

    Actually, I should not say what I said at post 85. While it is disappointing that there is such drama at the state (EXCUSE me!… COMMONWEALTH) level I suppose now is the time to step up and get involved. There are assholes in every organization and the LP has sure had their share over the years. Still, the alternative remains the Demorepublicrats and they aren’t worth a damn. The LP remains the best option out there. It would be nice to cease the circular firing squad mentality and get on with building an alternative to Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum but what the hell… life ain’t perfect!

  50. Steve Scheetz

    I met with the Allegheny County Libertarians, and they are coming to the Convention to vote. I would very much appreciate it if everyone who is able to come, attends the business meeting. I realize that Danville, CLEARLY, is in the running for: “The Worst Town To Have a Convention Award,” and I recognize that the Days Inn, Danville is the worst rated hotel of all the hotels in Danville….

    However, we need only be there for the business meeting, on the agenda for 2 and a half hours. So far, there are no named speakers on the agenda, so I am suggesting that anyone interested in hiking, join me on a side trip to Ricketts Glen Saturday afternoon followed by some beer and food at the Montgomery County Hospitality Suite.

    For those with kids, Knoebel’s amusement park is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15 minutes away, AND it is opening weekend! I, personally, am staying at the Hampton Inn… (It was acceptable, but still close to the Days Inn)

    WHATEVER anyone decides, regarding accommodations, PLEASE read the reviews first, and I strongly suggest NOT staying at the Days Inn.

    NF, you have read the e-mails back and forth. If you have not seen the video of the Montgomery County sponsored Febuary 16th Workshop, the archive is here: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEAdmrPm0VvbLggoAXin5sJi9jVi6G9UR

    Sincerely,

    Steve Scheetz

  51. Mark Axinn

    I am not an LPPA member, but I frequently cross your state on Route 80. About 15 miles west of Danville is New Columbia (at Route 15) with an excellent Holiday Inn Express and a very clean Comfort Inn, both of which I has used many times over the past 20 years, right at Exit 210S.

    About 10 miles south of there is Lewisburg, which has the very fine (but more expensive) Lewisburg Inn.

  52. Stewart Flood

    The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is one of the fifty states and is, in fact, the Keystone State. Home state is the correct reference to use, as is state level.

    I don’t think that I’ve ever been there, but from looking at the location it appears that your state chair is using the same tactic that was tried here in ’06. Have the convention in a place the opposition won’t want to travel to and you increase your chances of election.

  53. ForTheChildren!

    Ed Reagan, Campaign Manager for Steve Scheetz, has threatened me and every Board of Directors member with the filing of a lawsuit. Despite there being no grounds for such a suit, I have referred the threat to the Legal Action Committee for their review and possible response.

    In addition, negative posts are being generated almost every day now and are being sent to national LP leaders, individuals interested in obtaining business from the LPPA and are being posted to Independent Political Report and other news sources. Continued anti-gay postings continue, the last being a photo of me in a pontiff’s outfit with the phrase “Dr. Tom Stevens for Pope – FOR THE CHILDREN”.

    Ed Reagan also has promised that the first order of business of a newly elected Board of Directors will be to boot me out of the LPPA and he has promised to call a friend to have me investigated for arson and attempted murder.

    An excerpt of his latest e-mail follows:

    “I…will put my full time, energy and money in to making sure that when the votes are counted on April 27th at the LPPA state convention that you are no longer the Chairman of the LPPA. I will also work with the new Chairman and Board to make sure the first item of business the new board takes on is terminating your membership in the LPPA…You chose the wrong option and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    I…believe in exposing your actions…to a wide audience so that not only are you no longer apart of the LPPA, but also to ensure that you are not welcome in any state LP anywhere in the country. You chose the wrong option…and will now have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    Lastly stop the accusations related to the so called van incident…because if I hear you mention or post about it one more time I am going to pick up my cell phone, and call my cousin who is the chief of police in the township where Valley Forge Beef and Ale is located and tell him to investigate you for arson and the attempted murder of 18 people who were in the Valley Forge Beef and Ale when it caught fire. Go ahead and keep spreading your bullshit Tom, and you will once again have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

    Do you have the time to deal with being investigated for arson and the attempted murder of 18 people?…I am sure the nice police officers will believe you…Keep playing your games Tom, because all you have is pawns and I am one move away from checkmate.”

    =======================
    Just thought you should know what’s going on.

    In Liberty,

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    LPPA State Chair

  54. Jill Pyeatt

    Dr. Stevens shouldn’t be worried if he’s following his state’s by-laws and is treating his constituents properly. As far as the gay-bashing–maybe that is harming the case of Dr. Stevens’ foes. It seems like there’s plenty to go on without that having to resort to that.

    IMHO

  55. Brian Miller

    I’m not sure what’s more pathetic — that the PA LP members who bothered to show up at convention voted for Tom Stevens despite his “enviable” record in New York State (ask ANYONE there about him) and his “enviable” record in Outright Libertarians (ask ANYONE there about him)… or that the reason he won so handily is because most of the LP membership opted to attend a Republican Party event in Philadelphia rather than their own state convention.

    Anyway, it’s going to create some embarrassment for PA Libertarians if they have to spend all of their (highly limited) media time talking about how Tom Stevens doesn’t represent them, rather than about their platform and ideas as candidates.

    Sad.

  56. LPPa Executive Assistant Boys Club

    The anti-gay rhetoric, homophobic comments and suggestions of pedophilia have continued (mostly out of York County and Montgomery County) since the day I was elected State Chair.

    The general perception is that the LPPA is tolerant of individuals with different sexual orientations but the reality is that many LP members are anti-Semetic, anti-Gay and racist and do not perceive this to be in conflict with a commitment to smaller government and respect for individual rights.

    You may recall recent comments by Dave Moser, the York County LP Chair, who said allies of mine are “dick hugging bitches” and “swing on Uncle Tom’s dick”. James Babb of Montgomery County photo-shopped my image onto a woman’s body. These are just two examples out of scores of incidences.

    Comments reported today by the Associated Press regarding Lech Walesa’s views on gays in politics reflects this attitude:

    “Lech Walesa, the Polish democracy icon and Nobel peace prize winner, has sparked outrage in Poland by saying that gays have no right to a prominent role in politics and that as a minority they need to “adjust to smaller things.”

    Walesa said in a television interview on Friday that he believes gays have no right to sit on the front benches in Parliament and, if represented at all, should sit in the back, “and even behind a wall.”

    “They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority,” he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights.

    ===============================
    Under my administration as State Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania, everyone willing to constructively contribute to the growth of the party has been welcomed with open arms.

    We cannot build the party by chasing away talented, committed individuals due to the personal prejudices of individual party members.

    In Liberty,

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    LPPA State Chair

  57. Tom's Young Republicans

    Effective March 3, 2013, I have appointed Gavin Veasey
    of the Berks County LP to the position of Grassroots
    Initiative (Local Action) Committee Chair.

    In the next two months, I will be working with him
    to find more candidates interested in running for
    local office and to organize more County Committees.

    Congratulations!

    In Liberty,

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    LPPA State Chair

    —————————-
    From: Gavin Veasey’s meetup page

    Are you a registered Libertarian or would you consider becoming one?

    I am currently not registered as a Libertarian, but after the little fiasco at the 2012 RNC, in where the libertarians and Tea Party types were strongly marginalized and dismissed by the party establishment, I am reconsidering my options.

  58. Jill Pyeatt

    Response from Dr. Stevens:

    “Let me be clear. Ed Reagan does not even know what the phrase “initiation of force of fraud” means. He tried making that argument in his latest complaint against me to the LPPA Judicial Committee and his charges were dismissed with prejudice.

    He was banned in response to violations of posting policies. His threat to have me investigated for arson when there are no grounds for such an accusation reflects his character and the danger he poses to the LPPA.

    I recognized his danger and have chosen not to deal with me. Even if all his efforts results in my defeat for re-election as LPPA Chair, he will always be Ed Reagan and can never change that.

    His promise to have the new Board kick me out of the LPPA is another example of this man’s character.

    I will never have anything to do with him no matter how many threats he hurls against me and the other Board members.

    TRS “

  59. Erik Viker

    As a Life member of the LPPA , I’m appalled at the divisiveness and conflict that has characterized the past year since Tom Stevens’ election to state chair. But as a student of human nature, I’m fascinated. The LPPA has become more entertaining than streaming Netflix and doesn’t cost near as much.

  60. NewFederalist

    If the above post is really from Nick Gillespie (of Reason Foundation and “Stossel” fame) then that is really quite telling. Wow!

  61. Ed Reagan

    This is an interesting read about Tom Stevens involvement with the Boston Tea Party. Especially the part about him creating ” ‘affiliates’ turned out to be, as far as we could tell, empty shells with no members, each presided over by ‘a friend of Dr. Stevens’ “.

    This is exactlly what Tom Stevens is doing with the LPPA, by creating County LPs that each have a board vote.

    For example the Northampton County LP is affectivly a empty shell. It’s only claim to fame is the fact it was the first organization to endorse Gary Johnson. It to my knowledge has not run a single candidate for office since it was created. It is Chaired by Tom Stevens and if you look at their baord meeting minutes they have been meeting by teleconference. Since Tom Stevens lives in Queens, NY.

    See ths excerpt from a post about Tom Stevens involvement with the Boston Tea Party:

    In any case, this controversy began to mount as the BTP held a meeting — characterized in some places as a “convention” (the party’s bylaws specify that conventions occur on the Internet) — in Denver, concurrent with the Libertarian Party’s national convention. And it got worse when what came out of that meeting (and subsequent action/interpretation) was that an online presidential nominating convention would be held in which each state affiliate, rather than each party member, received one vote.

    I appealed the “one affiliate, one vote” procedure to the membership (as provided for in those bylaws I keep harping on) … and all hell broke loose. Interim Vice Chair Tom Stevens deleted the member polling while it was in progress. As the party’s site administrator, I yanked his privileges with respect to controlling site content. This provoked an outburst on his part about “mere members” defying his authoritah, etc.

    It was at that point that I began to suspect something wasn’t right — that there was more than just non-bylaws-compliance going on. The driving force behind the “one affiliate, one vote” idea was Dr. Stevens, who was also a candidate for the party’s VP nomination, and who had spearheaded the party’s affiliate drive. Interim Chair Davidson didn’t have a problem with “one affiliate, one vote” per se (he felt that it would encourage members to start active affiliates), but when this chain of events began to get heated, both he and I started looking for an explanation of why Dr. Stevens might be so hell-bent on it.

    The short explanation is that the “affiliates” turned out to be, as far as we could tell, empty shells with no members, each presided over by “a friend of Dr. Stevens.” In the case of at least two affiliates, the people listed as affiliate chairs/presidents didn’t even live in the applicable states, but rather in New York, where they held positions in other organizations, also headed by Dr. Stevens.

    The “controversy” ended with Dr. Stevens and his compadres resigning from the national committee and dissolving their apparently imaginary “state affiliates.” Playing “unitary executive” again, I simply noted that the poll versus “one affiliate, one vote” had been running unanimously against when it was shut down, and held that it was obvious the members preferred “one member, one vote” … so that was how it should be. The chair agreed. End of “controversy.”

    Source: http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/a-brief-history-of-the-boston-tea-party-part-2/

    Same shit, different party, different state, same Dr. Stevens.

  62. paulie Post author

    Paying for internet by the hour so I don’t have time to reply to this but

    In addition, negative posts are being generated almost every day now and are being sent to national LP leaders, individuals interested in obtaining business from the LPPA

    Stevens is lying. There is no other word for it left, since I’ve already informed him twice that I have zero interest in obtaining business from LPPA and am in fact no longer working as a petitioner. No one except me who is being copied on any of the emails, that I know of, even remotely fits the description. I did not get this one but please feel free to let those who did know that he is lying – plain and simple.

    and are being posted to Independent Political Report and other news sources. Continued anti-gay postings continue, the last being a photo of me in a pontiff’s outfit with the phrase “Dr. Tom Stevens for Pope – FOR THE CHILDREN”.

    What about that image is conceivably anti-gay?

    If anything, it is the Catholic Church which is “anti-gay,” as is Dr. Stevens’ recent rant about Starchild’s “image,” gay bath houses, sex work, etc., posted elsewhere on IPR. I don’t have time to look up exactly where.

    As previously noted, I only posted the image to illustrate that the Stevens “fan” page on facebook is titled ironically and did not think into it any deeper than that.

    But if I have to do so in retrospect, my guess would be that the image suggests a religious faith in absolute authority which lies beyond the realim of reason, which is what the Catholic Church invests in the Pope through the doctrine of infallibility, and what Dr. Stevens essentially demands that the party invest in himself through his unilateral and autocratic use of state party communication channels to silence anyone who criticizes him in any way. I would suggest “for the children” indicates an example of a transparently emotional excuse for such actions which is used to overcome logical examination.

    I can only speak for myself – I didn’t create the image, don’t know who did or why.

    I’ve already explained that it is not meant to imply Dr. Tom is a pedophile (he likes barely legal men -but that’s not a crime in itself, as many straight guys including myself are likewise attracted to barely legal women. Beyond that I have no idea).

    “Anti-gay” is an even more extreme, and dishonest, stretch.

    I’m not anti-gay in any way, shape or form.

    If Stevens wants to imply I am he is lying – plain and simple.

  63. paulie Post author

    The general perception is that the LPPA is tolerant of individuals with different sexual orientations but the reality is that many LP members are anti-Semetic, anti-Gay and racist and do not perceive this to be in conflict with a commitment to smaller government and respect for individual rights.

    Does that apply to Dr. Stevens’ email which called someone something like “Jew Nigger” or “Nigger Jew”? I’ll hunt that up when I have free internet access.

    Does it apply to his comments about bath houses and sex work recently posted to state chairs list?

    James Babb of Montgomery County photo-shopped my image onto a woman’s body.

    I think he means a woman who was stopping a Ron Paul delegate from speaking at the Republican National convention by physically blocking his access to the mic, which has become an iconic “meme” on the web.

    Leave it to Tom Stevens to put an anti-gay spin on this when no one else would have thought of it in that context.

    Comments reported today by the Associated Press regarding Lech Walesa’s views on gays in politics reflects this attitude:

    And what does Walesa have to do with this discussion…?

  64. paulie Post author

    How do you imbed an image here anyway?

    Only people signed up to post IPR articles can do it right now. I don’t know how to fix that.

  65. paulie Post author

    I know.

    And I am pointing out how/why.

    I gave him the benefit of the doubt and explained it it, so ignorance is no longer a plausible explanation.

  66. Jill Pyeatt

    I believe he’s excessively reacting to our attention to Pennsylvania here, also. He’s the one who wrote that stuff about Ed Reagan’s exclusion on the mailing list, plus the account of the assassination attempt. We didn’t make that stuff up (who COULD make stuff like that up?)

  67. Andy

    Paulie said: “‘individuals interested in obtaining business from the LPPA’

    Stevens is lying. There is no other word for it left, since I’ve already informed him twice that I have zero interest in obtaining business from LPPA”

    What’s especially odd here is that there really is not any “business” to get from the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania right now, at least as far as petitioning work goes, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is in general as well.

    Candidates in Pennylvania are legally prohibited from gathering petition signatures to appear on the 2014 ballot until 2014. Minor party and inedpendent candidates can not start gathering signatures until around February or March of 2014, with the petitioning deadline falling on August 1st of 2014, and this assumes that the LP of PA even has any candidates or any money to pay petitioners, which they may or may not in both cases.

    So we are talking about some petitioning work that may or may not happen a year or longer from now. This is hardly what I’d call a solid work opportunity that anyone is clamoring to get.

    Also, as I mentioned above, given the many problems that the LP of PA had getting on the ballot in 2012, they can certainly use the help whenever it is that they try to get candidates on the ballot again.

  68. Andy

    “they can certainly use the help whenever it is that they ”

    I suppose since I’m a member of the LP of PA I should say we here instead of they (although I had nothing to do with the 2012 ballot access drive for the LP in PA, much to the detriment of the drive).

  69. Andy

    Paulie said” “Does that apply to Dr. Stevens’ email which called someone something like ‘Jew Nigger’ or ‘Nigger Jew’?”

    Lenny Kravitz or Slash?

  70. James Babb

    That is correct Andy. The LPPa will not be managing paid petitioners until 2016, and even then, the LNC and the presidential candidate pay the piper and call the tunes. The LPPa is more like middle management.

    If there is paid petition work to be done in 2014, it will be the candidates who are responsible, with no money to squander from the LNC.

    When candidates spend their own campaign money, the effort is much more efficient. I expect a large primary-day volunteer campaign for the governor race with lots of stacked legislative candidates on the petitions.

  71. Andy

    “James Babb // Mar 4, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    That is correct Andy. The LPPa will not be managing paid petitioners until 2016, and even then, the LNC and the presidential candidate pay the piper and call the tunes.”

    If the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania wants to have state wide candidates on the ballot in 2014 the party will probably have to pay petition circulators. I’ve never seen or heard of the LP of PA getting anywhere near close to enough volunteer signatures to put state wide candidates on the ballot. If the party can do this in 2014, great, but I’m skeptical.

    I could see getting people some candidates on for lower level offices using just volunteers (but even then some may not make it), but the state wide candidates require a lot of signatures so I have a hard time seeing that happen without paid petitioners.

    “The LPPa is more like middle management.”

    I joined the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania back in 1996 shortly after I found out about the Libertarian Party. I moved out of Pennsylvania in 1997, but I came back to work my very first petition drive for the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania in 2000. I was paid by the state party.

    I know that the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania hired petitioners in 2002, because I talked to somebody in the LP of PA about coming in to work on it, but I was in California at the time and I found out about some ballot initiative petitions that were paying in Colorado so I ended up going there instead. I do know people who worked on the petition drive for the LP of PA in 2002.

    I petitioned for the Libertarian Party in Pennsylvania in 2004. I was paid by the state party, and I also got paid by a county party.

    2006 was the year that the petition signature requirement in Pennsylvania shot up to the highest it has ever been when in went up to 67,000 valid signatures (note that the signature requirements in PA for state wide candidates is usually between 19,000-25,000). 67,000 valid signatures was way more than the LP of PA could handle, so they did not really even try to get state wide candidates on the ballot that year (although I’m pretty sure the party ran a few people for lower level offices). There was a former LP of PA member named Russ Diamond (he was one of the people whom I turned signatures in to in 2004) who had been gaining some notoriety as a local rabble rouser by organizing a big protest against a big pay raise which the legislature had passed for itself, and he attempted to run for Governor that year as an independent. I said attempted because he failed to get on the ballot. I had actually spoken to him and one of his campaign managers a few times, and I had encouraged them to start raising money for a ballot drive early and to get petitioners on the ground as soon as possible. They did not take my advice and they failed to get on the ballot. 2006 was also the year when the Republican Party, in a desperate attempt to save Rick Santorum’s seat in the US Senate, paid out a bunch of money to do a petition drive for the Green Party, with the hope that their US Senate candidate Carl Romenelli would siphon enough votes away from the Democratic Party’s candidate that it would cause Rick Santorum to get re-elected. They hired a petition outfit out of California and flew in a bunch of petitioners. I actually got offered a chance to work on it but I was busy with a project in Colorado at the time so I was not really interested. The Green Party turned in well over the signature requirement in terms of raw signatures, however, their signatures were challenged by the Democratic Party and they lost the challenge, and due to the a stipulation in the challenge process which is unique to Pennsylvania, the Green Party got hit with a big fine to pay for the challenge. It came out to like $80,000, maybe a little more.

    I returned to petition in Pennsylvania in 2008. This time I was paid by the national Libertarian Party. The Republicans actually did do a challenge in 2008, but they challenged the candidate substitution and not the petition signatures. This was pretty stupid because candidate substitution had been allowed in PA for a long time. The Republicans lost the challenge. I’m not sure if they had to pay any fine or not (probably not). 2008 was also the year that I rejoined the LP of PA (even though I’m not there on a regular basis).

    I would have petitioned in Pennsylvania for the LP of PA in 2010, but nobody bothered to let me know that they were paying for signatures. I found out a few weeks into it, and then I was told that they did not need any extra help. I thought that it was pretty crazy when I heard that they had only turned in around 22,000 or 23,000 raw signatures to meet a valid requirement of 19,000 signatures. I figured that they would probably get challenged and lose the challenge, because that is not enough raw signatures to survive a challenge unless you have a high validity rate. Just like I predicted, the LP of PA got challenged and rather than risk losing the challenge and getting fined, they withdrew the petition.

    I was intending to petition in for the LP of PA in 2012, but a certain person on the LNC decided to hand out a monopoly contract (this practice was unheard of in LP ballot access prior to late 2011-2012) to one mercenary petitioner out of Philadelphia, and this individual only hired petitioners (none of whom were libertarians, and some of whom had little or no experience working as petitioners) to work in the Philadelphia area, so I did not work on the LP of PA petition drive in 2012. It was actually pretty damn stupid to run the petition drive this way (for several reasons), and this became apparent later on as reports of bad validity came in, so the LNC had to pay out a lot more money to collect more signatures which was beyond what they had originally budgeted. Incidentally, I actually did petition in PA in 2012, but it was for Ron Paul to be in the Republican primaries. I also did this for Ron Paul in 2008, the only difference was that in 2008 I stayed in PA to work the LP petition (minor party and independent candidate petitions in PA can start the day after the Democrat and Republican primary petitions end), but in 2012 I tried to get a hold of the LP of PA ballot access petitions, and I was stymied and then told that they had it covered and did not need any help. The LP of PA got challenged, and although the party survived the challenge, they barely survived it (and the challenge likely would not have happened if my advice had been followed). It turned out that they were wrong and they did need the help, but of course it was the LNC member who handed out the sweetheart monopoly deal to the person in Philadelphia that caused me to not work on that drive.

    “If there is paid petition work to be done in 2014, it will be the candidates who are responsible, with no money to squander from the LNC.”

    Yeah, I doubt that LP national will do anything to help the LP of PA in 2014.

    “When candidates spend their own campaign money, the effort is much more efficient.”

    That really didn’t seem like the case in 2010. That was pretty damn foolish to go that far without turning in more padding and hoping that there would not be a challenge.

    “I expect a large primary-day volunteer campaign for the governor race with lots of stacked legislative candidates on the petitions.”

    That’s good, but more legislative candidates could have made the ballot in 2012 if my advice had been taken.

  72. James Babb

    Andy, I’ve been here in Pennsylvania for all of that. The LPPa has never had more than a few thousand dollars to spend on anything. Major petition drives are always funded by the candidates or the LNC.

    Maybe the LNC will jump in next year with money for a statewide petition drive.

    Things have changed a lot in the past 6 years. The low quality sigs from paid petitioners in the past isn’t cutting it in the current environment of guaranteed challenges.

    Unless the LNC wants to blow another $100K ($2 per vote) and still fight an extended challenge, a better strategy is required.

    I believe a properly done statewide petition campaign could be done for $10-20K depending on the requirement.

    This strategy requires a healthy, functioning party with lots of legislative candidates. Instead of a few petitioners paid all summer to collect unverified sigs, we need 100-150 paid circulators on primary day at the polls, collecting bullet-proof sigs. Then have candidates collect the rest.

    The condition of the party, the strength of a statewide candidate and the signature requirement are all big unknowns. If the rebuilding begins now, we may have a chance.

    Not running statewide candidates should also be considered on a cost/benefit basis. Personally, I find $100K + hundreds of volunteer hours for a 50K votes, with few lower candidates to be a questionable investment. But it wasn’t my money.

  73. Jill Pyeatt

    Paulie @ 110: I can’t figure out how to embed an image. I’ll call you next time and have you talk me through it.

  74. Andy

    James Babb said: “The low quality sigs from paid petitioners in the past isn’t cutting it in the current environment of guaranteed challenges.”

    This would be a more accurate statement if you had said, “The low quality sigs from SOME of the paid petitioners in the past isn’t cutting it…”

    I NEVER gathered low quality signatures when I worked in Pennsylvania.

    “Unless the LNC wants to blow another $100K ($2 per vote) and still fight an extended challenge, a better strategy is required.”

    The petition drive in PA in 2012 would have gone a lot more smoothly if my advice and offer to work had been accepted, rather than pushed away. I was actually hired as a ballot access coordinator for the Ron Paul campaign in 2012, and I had a crew of quality petition circulators, most of whom were actually libertarians, spread out across the state. After we finished getting Ron Paul on the ballot I TRIED to get a hold of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania ballot access petition, and I let it be known to people in the state LP as well as at LP national that we had people in place who were ready, willing, and able to start petitioning to get the LP on the ballot in PA, yet instead of giving us the petition and letting us work, we were stymied, and then petitioners started leaving. I was then told some BS line that a certain individual on the LNC had already granted a monopoly contract to one person in Philadelphia, so I left the state as well. I did inquire about coming back at a later date, and my offers were ignored, so I worked elsewhere. I also tried to hook my brother up with the petition (note that he has experience petitioning as well), and I tried to hook one other experienced petitioner who had worked in PA during the Ron Paul drive that year when he returned to PA a couple of months later to visit some friends, and my attempt at getting them the petition was stymied. They were told that they had to work for some low ball pay rate that they found insulting through the mercenary petitioner in Philadelphia, so neither of them ended up working on the petition.

    If my advice had been followed, I don’t believe that any money would have been “blown.”

    “I believe a properly done statewide petition campaign could be done for $10-20K depending on the requirement.”

    While I agree that funds were spent inefficiently in 2012, I believe that your projected cost for 2016 is not even close to being realistic (and I know this stuff because I’ve been heavily involved in it in multiple states on a full time base for 12 1/2 years). A lot more than $10,000-$20,000 will have to be spent, and this does not even take inflation into account. If you are assuming so many volunteer signatures that it brings the cost down to dirt cheap levels, I have not seen any evidence of this being close to something that stands a realistic chance of happening.

    Also, you should keep in mind that the LP of PA drive in 2012 could have cost a lot more than it did if Americans Elect had not folded. Why? Because there is currently a stupid interpretation of the law in PA that says that a PA voter can only sign a petition for one candidate for each office. This is absurd, because it limits voter choices, and it is also something that is not done in most states, and it also makes petitioning to get on the ballot more difficult. I can tell you that Americans Elect was on the verge of starting a petition drive in PA, and they were going to pay a higher rate than what the LP was paying, and they were going to hire away all of the LP’s petitioners (I know for a fact that they were talking to them and they were being offered higher rates to quit LP and work Americans Elect instead). If this would have happened the LP of PA would have lost all of its paid petitioning force for several weeks. I think that Americans Elect would have ended before the deadline, so they could have come back and worked LP after that, but they would not have had as much time to work, plus Americans Elect would have tried to entice them to leave PA and go work in New York or somewhere else instead of staying in PA to work LP.

    “This strategy requires a healthy, functioning party with lots of legislative candidates. Instead of a few petitioners paid all summer to collect unverified sigs, we need 100-150 paid circulators on primary day at the polls, collecting bullet-proof sigs.”

    Having more legislative candidates is great, and I suggested that for 2012 but I was ignored.

    I think that the biggest problem in in the LP of PA petition drive was not that paid petitioners were hired, but rather the quality (or lack thereof) of some of the paid petitioners that were hired. If proven Libertarian petitioners had been utilized the petition drive would have been done in a far more effective manner.

  75. James Babb

    You may be correct Andy. The only way to do a petition drive might be to pay $2-3 per signature, and then fight a challenge requiring thousands of man hours. Even if well managed, this means a total cost of $50-75K and no local candidate support.

    If this is the only way, I would seriously consider abstaining from statewide races. Libertarians should understand opportunity cost.

    Many of us foresaw the 2012 petition drive debacle. The experts were ignored. The party was very weak from years of neglect.

    I really didn’t care that much, but others tried in earnest to head off disaster. I only became interested when I saw how badly the GOP wanted us off the ballot.

    A stunning amount of volunteer labor was invested to defend against the challenge. In fact, if the same number of hours had been spent at the polls on primary day, the entire petition drive could have been completed entirely by volunteers.

    New conditions require a new strategy.

    150 people getting paid $100 for 8 hrs at the polls could generate 20-3oK bullet proof sigs. Volunteers and candidates can get another 5-10K over the summer. Just hiring 150 people is a major task. If they fall short, there is still plenty of time, all summer to pay for verified signatures.

    As I stated previously, this strategy requires a healthy party. (That may be a fantasy for the near future.)

    Getting sigs from the general public is error prone, even when done by the best petitioners. Folks aren’t registered, wrong district, wrong county, etc. Most professional petitioners will only work in busy urban locations, that serve no benefit to the local candidates across the state.

    (If I were hiring a petitioner to work the general public, I would only pay for sigs that they locate and document in the voter database.)

    Primary day strategy solves many of these problems.

    1) Bullet proof, super accurate sigs
    2) Fills petitions stacked with candidates
    3) Saves an enormous amount of money
    4) (Hopefully) saves thousands of volunteer hours required to defend a challenge
    5) Gets the bulk of the work done early in the season, instead of a last minute rush job.

  76. NewFederalist

    Which person, George? The person on the LNC or the “monopoly contract” recipient in Philadelphia?
    I would be curious to know the names of both.

    (BTW, it was @121.)

  77. Andy

    “James Babb // Mar 5, 2013 at 4:40 am

    You may be correct Andy. The only way to do a petition drive might be to pay $2-3 per signature, and then fight a challenge requiring thousands of man hours.”

    If the petition drive is done correctly, there is a good chance that the signatures will not be challenged. Why? Because in Pennsylvania, potential challengers have a week to examine the petition signatures before they decide whether or not they want to do a challenge. If upon challenging the signatures, they find that they are of a high validity rate, then the potential challengers will likely not go through with challenging the signatures, because they know that they will probably not be successful in their challenge, and remember, in PA if the person doing the challenge is not successful, they can be hit with a fine to cover the cost of the challenge.

    “Even if well managed, this means a total cost of $50-75K and no local candidate support.”

    I would not automatically assume no local candidate support. If the petition drive is handled correctly in PA, you would have paid petitioners spread out across PA, instead of having all of them concentrated in Philadelphia.

    For those of you who don’t know, the petitions in PA have the names of state wide candidates at the top of the petition, and there spaces below the state wide candidates to fill in candidates for US House, State Senate, and State Assembly. The petition sheets in PA have to be separated by county, and the signatures for the candidates for US House, State Senate, and State Assembly have to come from the districts where the candidate is running in order for them to count for those district candidates. So if you want to qualify candidates for district office along with your state wide slate of candidates in PA, the way to do it is to have petition circulators working in different parts of the state rather than having all of them in Philadelphia.

    Also, if you hire petitioners who are also Libertarians, they are willing to do some extra things, like hand out party literature and carry contact lists to get contact information from members of the public who are interested in the Libertarian Party.

    “If this is the only way, I would seriously consider abstaining from statewide races. Libertarians should understand opportunity cost.”

    This would be a mistake, especially in Presidential years. The state wide candidates get more publicity than candidates running for district or local offices. The general public whom we are trying to reach is more likely to pay attention to a state wide race than a district or local race.

    “Many of us foresaw the 2012 petition drive debacle. The experts were ignored. The party was very weak from years of neglect.”

    I started blowing the ringing a warning bell in February of 2012, and I was ignored. I contacted both State Chairs in PA (I say both because the LP State Convention in PA happens in April, so a new Chair comes in at that time), plus I contacted several members of the LNC. I was ignored. I still have time stamped emails and text messages to prove all of this stuff.

    A few members of the LP of PA did surface during this time period (after much of the damage had already been done) and they acknowledged that I was right, but they said that they could not do anything about it because the situation was being controlled by LP national.

    “I really didn’t care that much, but others tried in earnest to head off disaster. I only became interested when I saw how badly the GOP wanted us off the ballot.”

    I predicted that the Republicans were going to try to knock the LP off the ballot in 2012. This was not difficult thing to predict, because they challenged the candidate substitution in 2008 and they challenged the signatures in 2010, plus PA was considered to be a battleground state, and the LP had a former Republican Governor as its candidate. Given these circumstances, it should have been obvious that a challenge was likely. Also, if you are conducting petition drives in a professional manner you should always be prepared for a challenge anyway.

    “A stunning amount of volunteer labor was invested to defend against the challenge. In fact, if the same number of hours had been spent at the polls on primary day, the entire petition drive could have been completed entirely by volunteers.”

    And once again, if my advice had been taken, the challenge would not have been likely to have happened, because the GOP would have seen higher validity signatures during the petition examination period, and they would have probably dropped the idea of challenging them, and even if they did challenge them anyway. they would have lost the challenge more quickly.

    “New conditions require a new strategy.”

    The strategy that I laid out was fine, and it would have worked had it actually been followed instead of ignored (and note that my strategy included lots of party building activities, by having Libertarian activists going around the state hitting lots of college campuses, gun shows, and other locations and events and engaging in party building activities in addition to gathering signatures).

    “150 people getting paid $100 for 8 hrs at the polls could generate 20-3oK bullet proof sigs.”

    $100 for a day of petitioning is really not good money anymore. I don’t think that this is enough to attract a very good work force, especially for only one day’s worth of work. Most of the pros would consider that to be chump change.

    “Volunteers and candidates can get another 5-10K over the summer. Just hiring 150 people is a major task. If they fall short, there is still plenty of time, all summer to pay for verified signatures.”

    There’s an expression that good help is hard to find. There is a reason that campaigns spend money for petitioners to travel around the country.

    I’ve tried hiring random people to petition on several occasions and it is not easy. Most of the people you find just end up wasting your time and it is often times easier to just get the signatures yourself. Even dealing with experienced pro petitioners can be a pain sometimes.

    I remember talking to Carla Howell about this a while ago (note that she was in charge of multiple petition drives in Massachusetts), and she said that if you try to hire 100 random people to petition, that maybe about 2% of them will be any good, and the other 98% will just waste a bunch of your time.

    California is the state that has the most petition work, and there is a petition office in California that I used to work out of a lot over a period of several years, and I remember noticing how there was a small core group of people who worked out of this office who gathered most of the signatures, and the rest of the people were either ones who did not do much, or were part of a never ending revolving door, as in they worked there for a few days or maybe a week or two and then they quit (some only lasted one day and then fell flat on their face and quit).

    I was really astounded at the number of flakes that I encountered when trying to hire people to petition (and I’m not talking about dealing with regular people). I offered some good paying deals and it was still difficult to get people to work. I’ve even had people who were experienced pros who flaked out on me.

    So maybe you’ll find some people to go out and work for one day, but I would expect a lot of hassle in finding them, and I doubt that the bulk of them will be high qualify workers, and if you value any Libertarian Party outreach taking place, you can pretty much forget that happening unless they are Libertarians (which if you rely on random people pulled out of the general public, most of them will not be).

    Getting petitioners out to polling places on primary election day is a fine idea, but here are a couple of things to keep in mind:

    1) I petitioned at a polling place on primary election day in PA in 2008, and the polling place that I was at was pretty damn slow. Pennsylvania has a late primary (at least this applies during Presidential years), so by the time the PA primary takes place, much of the public thinks that the D’s and R’s already have their Presidential candidates, so a lot of them don’t bother to vote.

    2) A good percentage of the people who vote in Democrat and Republican primaries are party loyalist types who don’t like minor party and independent candidates. Sure, there are people who vote in the primaries who will sign the petitions, but I’m just pointing out that since it is not a general election, you run into a higher percentage of people who don’t want minor party or independent candidates to be on the ballot.

    “Getting sigs from the general public is error prone, even when done by the best petitioners. Folks aren’t registered, wrong district, wrong county, etc.”

    If you have petition circulators who take the time to properly screen potential signers, by asking them if they are registered to vote, when was the last time you voted, have you moved since the last time you voted, etc… This will bump up the validity rate. If they spot check the signatures right after the people sign to make sure that the printed parts are legible and all of the necessary information is filled in, this will bump the validity rate as well.

    “Most professional petitioners will only work in busy urban locations, that serve no benefit to the local candidates across the state.”

    This is flat out NOT true. I don’t know where you are coming up with this, but I know lots of professional petitioners who’ve gotten signatures out of smaller towns and rural areas. I’ve done it many times myself. Petitioners will go wherever they can find people. Sure, a lot of that tends to be in large urban areas, but if they can find a sport to work in a smaller town, or at some kind of event (like a festival or a farmers market), they will go there as well.

    I can tell you that the times I petitioned in Pennsylvania, it was mostly in central PA, which is not the most populated part of the state. I did petition in Philadelphia for one weekend (a Saturday and Sunday) for a special event, and I petitioned in Pittsburgh for one day for a special event, but everything else I did in PA as far as petitioning goes was in central PA. I’ve worked Harrisburg, York, Lancaster, Millersville, Gettysburg, New Cumberland, Mechanicsburg, Carliasle, Lower Paxton Township, Derry Township, Hershey, Hamden Township, Steelton, State College, Center Hall, Lock Haven, Indiana, and some other towns which are NOT part of the Philadelphia or Pittsburgh metropolitan areas.

    Furthermore, I’ve looked up the voter registration statistics for Pennsylvania, and it is actually pretty high (as compared to most states) throughout the state, including Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Around 66-67% of the people in Pennsylvania are registered voters. Compare this to California where 47% of the people are registered to vote (and this does not include all of the undocumented people and tourists), or Wyoming where only 37% of the people are registered to vote. Petitioners who continually got low validity in PA did not get it because of low voter registration in whatever county they worked (including Philadelphia which is its own county), they got it mainly due to either doing a poor job of screening people, or not bothering to screen people.

    “(If I were hiring a petitioner to work the general public, I would only pay for sigs that they locate and document in the voter database.)”

    You can do this, but if you do, you will have to increase the pay rate. Petition drives that only pay on valid sigs pay more. So under this case, the pay should go up to say $4 or $5 per signature, and you should literally check every signature, which is going to eat up a lot of your time.

    The way the majority of petition drives operate is that they set a minimum rate of acceptable validity, which is usually between 70-75% (the LP of Illinois did this last year, and they set the minimum acceptable validity rate at 67%), and then they do a random statistical sample validity check (they may check around 20% of the signatures at random), and then any petitioner who is at or above the minimum acceptable validity rate gets paid on all of their signatures (perhaps minus a few obvious bad ones), and petitioners who are below the acceptable validity rate get their pay docked. Some additional signatures are collected above the required valid amount and this is factored in with the validity rate. The majority of petition drives around the country make it on the ballot this way.

    It is always beneficial to have people running validity checks on petition signatures, however, if you only hire quality, proven petition circulators, you can actually get away without running a validity check and still make the ballot. Case in point: last year in Alabama we had a crew of high quality petition circulators, most of whom were Libertarians. Nobody checked the validity until they were turned in to the Secretary of State’s office, but guess what, the validity rate came back as high. You see, it makes a big difference when you hire quality people as opposed to when you do not hire quality people. I’m not saying don’t do a validity check, because it’s good to do whenever possible, I’m just pointing out that there is less of a need to do one when you’ve got quality people gathering the signatures as opposed to having lower quality people who you have to babysit gathering the signatures.

    “Primary day strategy solves many of these problems.

    1) Bullet proof, super accurate sigs
    2) Fills petitions stacked with candidates
    3) Saves an enormous amount of money
    4) (Hopefully) saves thousands of volunteer hours required to defend a challenge
    5) Gets the bulk of the work done early in the season, instead of a last minute rush job.”

    Yes, primary day petitioning is a good thing, but there are other things you can do to increase quality as I mentioned above.

    Also, the primaries in PA are not held until late April. Minor party and independent candidates can start petitioning in mid February. I recommend hitting the ground running the first day you can legally start gathering signatures in PA. I tried to make this happen last year, but I was ignored, much to the detriment of the party.

  78. Andy

    “George Phillies // Mar 5, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    @122

    ‘ a certain individual on the LNC had already granted a monopoly contract to one person in Philadelphia’ Who was this person?”

    “125 NewFederalist // Mar 5, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Which person, George? The person on the LNC or the ‘monopoly contract’ recipient in Philadelphia?
    I would be curious to know the names of both.

    (BTW, it was @121.)”

    I don’t know if I should mention the names right now on a public forum or not. There is already a lot of drama and strife, and I’m sure that some people here are capable of filling in those blanks.

  79. NewFederalist

    Andy… are you ever going to answer George about who the LNC person was who gave the monopoly contract? How about the identity of the person who received the monopoly contract? Since this website is all about “truth, justice and the American way” let’s have it!

  80. Ed Reagan

    Erik @ 123

    Tom seems to be too busy with the Queens County LP of recent to be bothered with those pesky LPPA people.

    He has been busy with these pressing political issues with the Queens LP, which now explain why he was unable to particicpate in the debate for between candidates for the LPPA Chair.

    1. Alfred Hitchcock’s The 39 Steps at The Parkside Players on Feb 24 – http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/103268002/

    2. Carrie The Musical at Cultural Arts Playhouse on March 1 – http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/104215332/

    3. Nunsense 2: The Second Coming at The Showplace at Bellmore Movies on March 3 – http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/98601182/

    Upcoming Queens LP event cover such relevant issue as:

    1. Matthew Kelly on New York City Mayor Fernando Wood & The Police Riots on March 19 -http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/92790932/

    2. A Tribute To Yuri Gagarin, First Man In Space on March 19 – http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/103844232/

    3. Xanadu The Musical at Cultural Arts Playhouse on March 10 – http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/104209862/

    One must wonder how Tom Stevens must be getting to these events since he is “still without transportation.”

    One must also wonder how he is paying go to all these event since he is “living at the mercy of others and unable to make a living.”

    Now since Tom Stevens refused to participate in the debate this past weekend. Steve Scheetz, who is running for LPPA Chair and myself who is running for LPPA Eastern Vice Chair drove out to western Pennsylvania to meet with LPPA members in the Pitsburgh area.

    Steve and I were able to speak to the members of the Pennsylvania Tenth Amendment Center, the Pittsburgh Libertarian Party, the Pitt Students for Liberty, the Duquesne Young Americans for Liberty and the Pittsburgh Americas Future Foundation prior to the showing of the Tnth Amendment Center’s movie “Nullification the Rightful Remedy”.

    After the movie Steve and I attended the Pittsburgh Liberty On The Rocks event from 7 PM until 1 AM where we had the opportunity to speak one-on-one with the LPPA members in attendence about the current challenges that the LPPA is facing.

    We were invited back to meet with the Allegheny County LP on March 23, and Steve and I will be returning, along with Richard Schwarz candidate for LPPA Treasurer and Ken Krawchuk candidate for Governor of Pennsylvania in 2014 to speak with their members and assist with the logistics for their bus to the states convention.

    The Allgheny LP could even host the LPPA Chair Debate that weekend. Since we have been told that one of the conditons that Tom wants is to have the debate as far away from Montco as possible. So Tom time to put your money where your mouth is, we cant get much further away being in Pittsburgh. I will even buy you a roundtrip Amtrak ticket to Pittsburgh from Philly, NYC or where ever you live now, so you can’t used the lack of transportation and money as an excuse.

    You will how ever need to postpone your Queens County LP event Councilman Dan Halloran’s Birthday Party on March 22, in order to travel to Pittsburgh. http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/107463252/

    I also noticed that Tom is making the most of his time without transportion and work by focusing his efforts on the LPPA, no make that the QCLP, stratch that make it the New York City LP. Since he is the organizer of the New York City Libertarian Party Nominating Convention on April 9th. http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/101238192/

    On a side note it is funny to see a Libertarian organizing and event that celebrates fiat currency. I wonder if holding this event a Five Guys Burgers and Fries will drive attendence with our fellow Libertarians. http://www.meetup.com/QueensLP/events/103848262/

  81. paulie Post author

    I can’t figure out how to embed an image. I’ll call you next time and have you talk me through it.

    Substitute angular brackets for square brackets in

    [img src="url of the image"]

  82. paulie Post author

    Maybe the LNC will jump in next year with money for a statewide petition drive.

    I’m guessing the answer on that will be no.

  83. paulie Post author

    … are you ever going to answer George about who the LNC person was who gave the monopoly contract?

    Bill Redpath

    How about the identity of the person who received the monopoly contract?

    Darryl Bonner

  84. paulie Post author

    I don’t know if I should mention the names right now on a public forum or not. There is already a lot of drama and strife, and I’m sure that some people here are capable of filling in those blanks.

    It’s been mentioned on past IPR threads and phone conversations, emails etc. Not exactly a secret.

  85. paulie Post author

    Ed Reagan @130

    Since we have been told that one of the conditons that Tom wants is to have the debate as far away from Montco as possible. So Tom time to put your money where your mouth is, we cant get much further away being in Pittsburgh.

    Erie, isn’t it?

    :-)

    BTW, multiple URLs in one comment gets your comment auto-sent to the spam file. I fished it out, but other IPR writers don’t usually do that when I’m not here.

  86. paulie Post author

    Here is the previously mentioned post from Tom Stevens – compare and contrast it with his more recent statement about racism and anti-semitism quoted above:

    hi everyone! here is a message from the good doctor tom stevens chair of the lppa.
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ManhattanLibertarians/message/20219?source=1&var=1&l=1

    Pig Fuck,

    Saying you are one sick fuck is only the tip of the “iceberg” (not a Jewish
    word but often confused for one) regarding your mental condition. Everyone is
    already making up their own mind in that regard.

    Finally, I have been elected THREE times to represent the Manhattan LP. I
    have nothing else to prove. No one foisted me on the State Committee except
    the Manhattan LP members themselves.

    End of story. But I am sure you will continue to repeat your story over and
    over until some new people who weren’t around actually start to believe it.

    As Nic might say, stop acting like a Jewish Nigger!

    TRS

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