November 2012 Open Thread

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To start things off, Abbie succinctly summarizes the feelings of many people, young and old, about the leading contenders in particular and the presidential race in general:

Your turn in the comments.

124 thoughts on “November 2012 Open Thread

  1. Darryl W. Perry

    http://fpp.cc/2012/11/01/2012-voter-guide/

    Below are my endorsements and recommendations for the 2012 general election.
    For more information on the ballot measures, see BallotPedia or NTU

    President
    Write-in NOTA
    Voters in Nevada are encouraged to vote for “None Of These Candidates”
    Voters in Oklahoma are encouraged to cross out the names of both ballot listed Presidential candidates.

    Governor
    Delaware: Jesse McVay
    Indiana: Rupert Boneham
    Missouri: Jim Higgins
    Montana: Ron Vandevender
    New Hampshire: John Babiarz
    North Carolina: Barbara Howe
    North Dakota: no endorsement
    Utah: Ken Larsen, Jr.
    Vermont: no endorsement
    Washington: no endorsement
    West Virginia: David Moran

    US Senate
    Arizona: Marc: J. Victor
    California: no endorsement
    Connecticut: no endorsement
    Delaware: no endorsement
    Florida: no endorsement
    Hawaii: no endorsement
    Indiana: Andrew Horning
    Maine: Andrew Ian Dodge
    Maryland: Dean Ahmad
    Massachusetts: no endorsement
    Michigan: Scotty Boman
    Minnesota: Tim Davis
    Mississippi: no endorsement
    Missouri: Jonathan Dine
    Montana: Dan Cox
    Nebraska: no endorsement
    Nevada: None of These Candidates
    New Jersey: Kenneth R. Kaplan
    New Mexico: no endorsement
    New York: no endorsement
    North Dakota: no endorsement
    Ohio: no endorsement
    Pennsylvania: Chris Eded
    Rhode Island: no endorsement
    Tennessee: Dr. Shaun Crowell
    Texas: John Jay Myers
    Utah: no endorsement
    Vermont: Chris Ericson
    Virginia: no endorsement
    Washington: no endorsement
    West Virginia: no endorsement
    Wisconsin: Joseph Kexel
    Wyoming: no endorsement

    US House District in parenthesis
    (races without endorsements are not listed)
    Alaska: Jim McDermott
    Arizona: Joe Pamelia (4)
                  Joe Cobb (7)
                  Powell Gammill (9)
    Arkansas: Jesse Paxton (1)
                  Chris Hayes (2)
                  David Bangrac (3)
    Delaware: Scott Gesty
    District of Columbia: Bruce Majors (non-voting Delegate)
    Indiana: Chard Reid (5)
                  Rex Bell (6)
                  Bard Gadau (8)
    Maryland: Arvin Vohra (5)
                  Nickolaus Mueller (6)
                  Mark Grannis (8)
    Missouri: Robb Cunningham (1)
                  Rick Vandeven (8)
    Montana: David Kaiser
    Nevada: None Of These Candidates (all seats)
    New Hampshire: Brenden Kelly (1)
                  Hardy Macia (2)
    North Dakota: Eric Olson
    Texas: Patrick Hisel (28)
                  James Stanczak (29)
                  Ed Rankin (30)

    Other offices/Ballot measures
    Alabama: Amendment 2: No
                  Amendment 4: Yes
                  Amendment 6: Yes
                  Amendment 7: Yes
                  Amendment 8: Yes
                  Amendment 10: Yes
                  Amendment 11: Yes
    Alaska: Ballot Measure 1: Yes
    Arizona: Prop 116: Yes
                  Prop 119: Yes
                  Prop 120: Yes
                  Prop 204: No
    Arkansas: Issue 1: No
                  Issue 2: No
                  Issue 5: Yes
    California: Prop 30: No
                  Prop 32: Yes
                  Prop 33: Yes
                  Prop 34: Yes
                  Prop 37: No
                  Prop 38: No
                  Prop 39: No
    Colorado: Amendment 64: Yes
    Florida: Amendment 1: Yes
                  Amendment 3: Yes
                  Amendment 4: Yes
                  Amendment 6: Yes
                  Amendment 10: Yes
                  Amendment 11: Yes
    Hawaii: Dam and Reservoir Owners Assistance Amendment: No
    Idaho: Prop 1: Yes
                  Prop 2: Yes
                  Prop 3: Yes
                  HJR 2: Yes
    Illinois: HJRCA 49: Yes
    Kansas: Boat Property Tax Amendment: Yes
    Kentucky: House Bill 1: Yes
    Louisiana: Amendment 2: Yes
                  Amendment 5: Yes
    Maine: Question 2: No
                  Question 3: No
                  Question 4: No
                  Question 5: No
    Maryland: Question 3: Yes
                  Question 6: Yes
    Massachusetts: Question 2: Yes
                  Question 3: Yes
    Michigan: Prop 2: No
                  Prop 3: No
                  Prop 4: No
                  Prop 5: Yes
    Minnesota: Amendment 2: No
    Missouri: Cisse Spragins; Secretary of State
                  David Browning; Attorney General
                  Sean O’Toole; Treasurer
                  Amendment 3: No
                  Prop A: Yes
                  Prop B: No
                  Prop E: No
    Montana: Scott Vandevender; State Representative 84
                  LR-122: Yes
    Nebraska: Amendment 1: No (if the proposal exempted victimless crimes, I would support it)
                  Amendment 2: Yes
                  Amendment 3: No
                  Amendment 4: No
    Nevada: None Of These Candidates (all offices)
                  Question 1: Yes
    New Hampshire: Michael Baldasarre; Executive Council, district 3
                  Ken Blevens; Executive Council, district 4
                  Richard Kahn; State Senate, district 14
                  Rich Tomasso ; State               Senate, district 16
                  Mark Warden; NH House, Hillsborough 39
                  Keith Carlsen; NH House, Cheshire 6
                  Ian Freeman; NH House, Cheshire 16
                  Aidan Ankarberg; NH House, Strafford 5
                  Darryl W. Perry; Cheshire County Register of Deeds
                  Darryl W. Perry; Cheshire County Register of Probate (write-in)
                  Max Abramson; Rockingham County County Attorney
                  Question 1: Yes
                  Question 2: Yes
                  Question 3: Yes
    New Jersey: Public Question 1: No
    Public Question 2: Yes
    New Mexico: Bond Question A: No
                  Bond Question B: No
    Bond Question C: No
                  Constitutional Amendment 2: Yes
                  Constitutional Amendment 3: Yes
                  Constitutional Amendment 4: Yes
                  Constitutional Amendment 5: Yes
    North Dakota: Measure 1: Yes
                  Measure 2: Yes
                  Measure 3: Yes
                  Measure 4: No
    Ohio: Issue 1: Yes
                  Issue 2: Yes
    Oklahoma: State Question 758: Yes
                  LRCA State Question 759: Yes
                  LRCA State Question 762: No
                  LRCA State Question 764: No
                  LRCA State Question 765: Yes
                  LRCA State Question 766: Yes
    Oregon: Measure 78: Yes
                  Measure 79: Yes
                  Measure 80: Yes
                  Measure 82: Yes
                  Measure 84: Yes
    Pennsylvania: Ken Krachuk; State House 153
    Puerto Rico: Question 1: No
                  Question 2: Independence or Sovereign Free Associated State
    Rhode Island: Question 3: No
                  Question 4: No
                  Question 5: No
                  Question 6: No
                  Question 7: No
    South Carolina: Jeremy Walters; State Representative 26
                  Amendment 1: No
    South Dakota: Constitutional Amendment N: No
                  Constitutional Amendment P: Yes
                  Initiated Measure 15: No
    Initiated Measure 16: Yes
    Tennessee: Daniel Lewis; State House 52
    Texas: Bill Grisham; Bexar County Tax Assessor Collector
                  Patrick Dixon; Travis County Commissioner Precinct 3
    Utah: Andy McCullough; Attorney General
    Virginia: Question 1: Yes
    Question 2: Yes
    Washington: Initiative 1185: Yes
                  Initiative 502: No (Despite the fact that it would legalize the production, possession, delivery and distribution of marijuana, this initiative has serious flaws which could harm medical marijuana users.)
                  Senate Joint Resolution 8221: Yes
    West Virginia: Amendment 1: No
    Wyoming: Constitutional Amendment A: Yes
                  LRCA Constitutional Amendment B: Yes

  2. Darryl W. Perry

    http://fpp.cc/2012/11/01/2012-voter-guide/

    Below are my endorsements and recommendations for the 2012 general election.
    For more information on the ballot measures, see BallotPedia or NTU

    President
    Write-in NOTA
    Voters in Nevada are encouraged to vote for “None Of These Candidates”
    Voters in Oklahoma are encouraged to cross out the names of both ballot listed Presidential candidates.

    Governor
    Delaware: Jesse McVay
    Indiana: Rupert Boneham
    Missouri: Jim Higgins
    Montana: Ron Vandevender
    New Hampshire: John Babiarz
    North Carolina: Barbara Howe
    North Dakota: no endorsement
    Utah: Ken Larsen, Jr.
    Vermont: no endorsement
    Washington: no endorsement
    West Virginia: David Moran

    US Senate
    Arizona: Marc: J. Victor
    California: no endorsement
    Connecticut: no endorsement
    Delaware: no endorsement
    Florida: no endorsement
    Hawaii: no endorsement
    Indiana: Andrew Horning
    Maine: Andrew Ian Dodge
    Maryland: Dean Ahmad
    Massachusetts: no endorsement
    Michigan: Scotty Boman
    Minnesota: Tim Davis
    Mississippi: no endorsement
    Missouri: Jonathan Dine
    Montana: Dan Cox
    Nebraska: no endorsement
    Nevada: None of These Candidates
    New Jersey: Kenneth R. Kaplan
    New Mexico: no endorsement
    New York: no endorsement
    North Dakota: no endorsement
    Ohio: no endorsement
    Pennsylvania: Chris Eded
    Rhode Island: no endorsement
    Tennessee: Dr. Shaun Crowell
    Texas: John Jay Myers
    Utah: no endorsement
    Vermont: Chris Ericson
    Virginia: no endorsement
    Washington: no endorsement
    West Virginia: no endorsement
    Wisconsin: Joseph Kexel
    Wyoming: no endorsement

    US House District in parenthesis
    (races without endorsements are not listed)
    Alaska: Jim McDermott
    Arizona: Joe Pamelia (4)
    Joe Cobb (7)
    Powell Gammill (9)
    Arkansas: Jesse Paxton (1)
    Chris Hayes (2)
    David Bangrac (3)
    Delaware: Scott Gesty
    District of Columbia: Bruce Majors (non-voting Delegate)
    Indiana: Chard Reid (5)
    Rex Bell (6)
    Bard Gadau (8)
    Maryland: Arvin Vohra (5)
    Nickolaus Mueller (6)
    Mark Grannis (8)
    Missouri: Robb Cunningham (1)
    Rick Vandeven (8)
    Montana: David Kaiser
    Nevada: None Of These Candidates (all seats)
    New Hampshire: Brenden Kelly (1)
    Hardy Macia (2)
    North Dakota: Eric Olson
    Texas: Patrick Hisel (28)
    James Stanczak (29)
    Ed Rankin (30)

    Other offices/Ballot measures
    Alabama: Amendment 2: No
    Amendment 4: Yes
    Amendment 6: Yes
    Amendment 7: Yes
    Amendment 8: Yes
    Amendment 10: Yes
    Amendment 11: Yes
    Alaska: Ballot Measure 1: Yes
    Arizona: Prop 116: Yes
    Prop 119: Yes
    Prop 120: Yes
    Prop 204: No
    Arkansas: Issue 1: No
    Issue 2: No
    Issue 5: Yes
    California: Prop 30: No
    Prop 32: Yes
    Prop 33: Yes
    Prop 34: Yes
    Prop 37: No
    Prop 38: No
    Prop 39: No
    Colorado: Amendment 64: Yes
    Florida: Amendment 1: Yes
    Amendment 3: Yes
    Amendment 4: Yes
    Amendment 6: Yes
    Amendment 10: Yes
    Amendment 11: Yes
    Hawaii: Dam and Reservoir Owners Assistance Amendment: No
    Idaho: Prop 1: Yes
    Prop 2: Yes
    Prop 3: Yes
    HJR 2: Yes
    Illinois: HJRCA 49: Yes
    Kansas: Boat Property Tax Amendment: Yes
    Kentucky: House Bill 1: Yes
    Louisiana: Amendment 2: Yes
    Amendment 5: Yes
    Maine: Question 2: No
    Question 3: No
    Question 4: No
    Question 5: No
    Maryland: Question 3: Yes
    Question 6: Yes
    Massachusetts: Question 2: Yes
    Question 3: Yes
    Michigan: Prop 2: No
    Prop 3: No
    Prop 4: No
    Prop 5: Yes
    Minnesota: Amendment 2: No
    Missouri: Cisse Spragins; Secretary of State
    David Browning; Attorney General
    Sean O’Toole; Treasurer
    Amendment 3: No
    Prop A: Yes
    Prop B: No
    Prop E: No
    Montana: Scott Vandevender; State Representative 84
    LR-122: Yes
    Nebraska: Amendment 1: No (if the proposal exempted victimless crimes, I would support it)
    Amendment 2: Yes
    Amendment 3: No
    Amendment 4: No
    Nevada: None Of These Candidates (all offices)
    Question 1: Yes
    New Hampshire: Michael Baldasarre; Executive Council, district 3
    Ken Blevens; Executive Council, district 4
    Richard Kahn; State Senate, district 14
    Rich Tomasso ; State Senate, district 16
    Mark Warden; NH House, Hillsborough 39
    Keith Carlsen; NH House, Cheshire 6
    Ian Freeman; NH House, Cheshire 16
    Aidan Ankarberg; NH House, Strafford 5
    Darryl W. Perry; Cheshire County Register of Deeds
    Darryl W. Perry; Cheshire County Register of Probate (write-in)
    Max Abramson; Rockingham County County Attorney
    Question 1: Yes
    Question 2: Yes
    Question 3: Yes
    New Jersey: Public Question 1: No
    Public Question 2: Yes
    New Mexico: Bond Question A: No
    Bond Question B: No
    Bond Question C: No
    Constitutional Amendment 2: Yes
    Constitutional Amendment 3: Yes
    Constitutional Amendment 4: Yes
    Constitutional Amendment 5: Yes
    North Dakota: Measure 1: Yes
    Measure 2: Yes
    Measure 3: Yes
    Measure 4: No
    Ohio: Issue 1: Yes
    Issue 2: Yes
    Oklahoma: State Question 758: Yes
    LRCA State Question 759: Yes
    LRCA State Question 762: No
    LRCA State Question 764: No
    LRCA State Question 765: Yes
    LRCA State Question 766: Yes
    Oregon: Measure 78: Yes
    Measure 79: Yes
    Measure 80: Yes
    Measure 82: Yes
    Measure 84: Yes
    Pennsylvania: Ken Krachuk; State House 153
    Puerto Rico: Question 1: No
    Question 2: Independence or Sovereign Free Associated State
    Rhode Island: Question 3: No
    Question 4: No
    Question 5: No
    Question 6: No
    Question 7: No
    South Carolina: Jeremy Walters; State Representative 26
    Amendment 1: No
    South Dakota: Constitutional Amendment N: No
    Constitutional Amendment P: Yes
    Initiated Measure 15: No
    Initiated Measure 16: Yes
    Tennessee: Daniel Lewis; State House 52
    Texas: Bill Grisham; Bexar County Tax Assessor Collector
    Patrick Dixon; Travis County Commissioner Precinct 3
    Utah: Andy McCullough; Attorney General
    Virginia: Question 1: Yes
    Question 2: Yes
    Washington: Initiative 1185: Yes
    Initiative 502: No (Despite the fact that it would legalize the production, possession, delivery and distribution of marijuana, this initiative has serious flaws which could harm medical marijuana users.)
    Senate Joint Resolution 8221: Yes
    West Virginia: Amendment 1: No
    Wyoming: Constitutional Amendment A: Yes
    LRCA Constitutional Amendment B: Yes

  3. PeterO

    I stuck this on the Election Predictions thread, but it doesn’t really go there, so I’ll add it here.

    New Zogby national poll:

    Obama 46.6%
    Romney 45.5%
    Johnson 1.7%
    Goode 0.8%
    Stein 0.5%
    Undecided 4.9%.

    In six Zogby tracking polls since mid-October, Johnson has ranged from 1.7% to 3.1%, Goode 0.2% to 0.8%, and Stein 0.5% to 1.1%.

  4. PeterO

    “I’m tired of Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney being the only candidates people talk about. There are other candidates too.”

    “Is that why you’re crying?”

    “Yes.”

  5. Deran

    I voted yes on WA State Iniative 502, legalizing cannabis. There has been some noise from medicinal cannabis entrepeneurs against 502. All their talk is lies. 502 isn’t perfect, but there was a youngman, Michael Safioti, 22 years old, who died the other week in the county north of me while sertving some county time for possession of a few grams of cannabis. Saffioti died in jail from a food allergy.Were 502 in efect Mr. Saffioti would not have gone to jail and would not be dead.

    I don’t know how it is in other states, but in WA $200 will buy a person a “letter” from a “medical professional” that will allow you to buy over priced medicinal cannabis. It is my opinion that many of those people with such letters are recreational users.

    I know there is a great deal of foofarah abt DUIs, but the facts are that this DUI would only test for a THC component aht leaves the body very quickly.

    For me it is the death of young Mr. Saffioti that confirmed my Yes vote. If my vote can help avoid such deaths, keep a good number of people from arest for possession, possible jail time, possible life ruining arrest record for “drugs” and a large legal bills, even it is not a perfect bill, a Yes vote is called for, imho.

    I would also think all libertarians, and socialists like myself, would vote for Referendum 74 in WA and affirm the legalization of marriage among gays and lesbians.

  6. Darryl W. Perry

    @6 – my decision to recommend a “no” vote on Washington’s 502 is the fact that people could be given DUI’s for driving after taking some herbs. My understanding is that medical users would be those most affected. If these two statements are false, then I would recommend a “yes”.

  7. Stewart Flood

    I looked at their counter both before and after the event. As I recall, they had 91 new members in the three or so weeks leading up to the event, gained 3 members during the event, to a total of 94 and a week and a half later are at 104.

    It failed, which is why you don’t hear them talking about it.

  8. Kevin Knedler

    Gary Johnson events in Ohio on November 2.
    600 attended in BeaverCreek, 250 attended in Bowling Green, and 725 attended in Streetsboro (Kent State) Ohio. Best day for GJ in Ohio and the excitement is building. Already talking about 2014 and 2016 elections. Plenty of video on youtube and the lpo.org facebook pages

  9. George Dance

    I’ve gotten sick and tired of libertarian Republicans telling Libertarians to vote for Romney; so I wrote my own article telling them why they should vote for Gary Johnson.

    Gary Johnson and libertarian Republicans

    Why liberty-minded Republicans should vote for Gary Johnson for President

    http://www.nolanchart.com/article9940-gary-johnson-and-libertarian-republicans.html

    (If anyone wants to reprint or otherwise distribute this, they have my permission. )

  10. Jill Pyeatt

    SF @ 10: “It failed, which is why you don’t hear them talking about it.”

    Thanks for the info, Stewart. I’m sorry it didn’t take off. CA’s registration has really jumped, which is great and a little puzzling.

  11. Nicholas Sarwark

    @2 – What’s up Darryl, none of our Libertarian Colorado US House candidates (we’re contesting al of the seats) are worthy of your endorsement?

    @11 – Excellent news on the Gary Johnson events in Ohio. I saw from Garrett Quinn’s reporting that Gary’s rally in Ohio was even bigger than the one he had in Boulder. Congrats, but watch your back. :)

    @17 – I appreciate Barnett’s legal scholarship and his work on Raich, but he (and Somin) are just wrong on this idea of choosing the marginally better major party. We have data on his approach. Look at how things worked out for the Ron Paul delegates in Tampa. Sometimes the foundation is so rotten that rebuilding upon it is counterproductive.

  12. Stewart Flood

    Jill@15,

    I was really glad to see California’s jump. I’m sure that some of it is from local work to increase registrations, but it also has to be a sign of general disapproval of the other parties by voters.

    As far as DTLP goes, any plan to “double” membership in that short a time is insane. I could understand a plan to double membership overnight of a ten member organization, but not one our size.

    They were so sure that it would work, which is a sure sign that they are insane — or at least some of them are! It is all about the power. All about the power and who’s the big fish in the small pond.

  13. Stewart Flood

    Kevin@11,

    We are all looking forward to seeing how your state’s efforts affect the numbers in Ohio. The turnouts you have had at your events sound like the campaign is making an impact.

    I agree: 2014 campaigns start tomorrow morning.

  14. Thane Eichenauer

    @24
    If I may extrapolate from the information available at the Maryland Board of Elections:
    http://elections.state.md.us/elections/2012/results/general/gen_results_2012_4_001-.html
    Tiffany Briscoe may have received up to 0.4% of the vote (9,475 write in votes cast). Maryland would appear to have about 30 registered write-in candidates for President.
    Her Wikipedia entry does not lead me to believe that she has registered as a candidate in any other state than Maryland. Wikipedia information could be incomplete.
    http://elections.state.md.us/elections/2012/results/general/gen_results_2012_4_001-.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Briscoe

    @111 on another thread “Open Thread for Election Results” dated November 6th on the topic of whether mandatory government imposed labeling of GMO foods is a good idea I’ll also add that LibertyCrier.com has an aside that makes as good or better point than I made.
    “When the government is given the power to regulate the corporations seek to corrupt the government, and the corporations inevitably win. The free market, free from government corruption, can provide better labeling systems (through competition) that will offer consumers much more value than anything the government could ever provide.”
    http://libertycrier.com/business/monsanto-wins-california-gmo-labeling-law-defeated/

  15. paulie Post author

    The free market, free from government corruption, can provide better labeling systems (through competition) that will offer consumers much more value than anything the government could ever provide.

    Yes, if government allows it.

  16. paulie Post author

    Can’t believe she actually got any votes.

    Well, she probably got one vote, assuming she’s a voter and bothered to vote. Note there was no breakdown on those 30 write-in candidates.

  17. Thane Eichenauer

    @28
    “Well, she probably got one vote, assuming she’s a voter and bothered to vote.”
    Presuming she is a voter, presuming that she was motivated to vote (for herself) I would give her 87% odds of having that vote tallied.

  18. bruuno

    So Dondero’s article is all over the internet. If I recall correctly he is not a terribly popular man among Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters (and just from reading the article I can see why on a personality level at least). Am I wrong? Could someone let me in on what his story is?

  19. just libertarian

    His real name is Eric Rittberg.

    He is a hysterical neocon who once worked for Congressman Paul for a few years.

    He has an interesting blog entry about how he and other staff browbeat Dr. Paul into voting for the bogus war/”force” resolution vs Afghanistan.

  20. just libertarian

    Oh, and he moved to Texas to run against Dr. Paul in a GOP primary, and failed spectacularly.

  21. Thomas L. Knapp

    Dondero didn’t move to Texas to run against Paul. He already lived in Texas (where he worked for Paul before quitting or being fired, depending on whose story you believe).

    He also didn’t end up running against Paul, and instead backed another candidate in that primary.

  22. bruuno

    @31 paulie- Was just curious about his split with Paul. What happened exactly? Why the seeming bitter feelings on both sides? Thanks.

  23. paulie Post author

    Bruuno @ 36

    Accounts vary. Basically, the root of the problem seems to be that after 9/11 Don D’Error went balistically warmonger – I think he already was, but this pushed him over the edge. Meanwhile his boss Ron Paul was much more of a peacenik than Eric Cartman DNDError wanted him to be, although Eric browbeat him into voting for the war in Afghanistan.

    Next came the war in Iraq and Ron Paul was not willing to back that, so Eric got all in a huff. Some people also allege that Eric was acting erratically, sleeping in the office, using hard drugs, not bathing, and frothing at the mouth in screaming rage fits on a regular basis.

    Another source of tension is that Eric’s always been very pro-abortion, mostly because he likes to have unprotected sex with all kinds of low class prostitutes and low intelligence, low self esteem, promiscuous women, and rather than wrap little Eric he prefers to rely on abortion for birth control. Meanwhile Ron Paul is an anti-abortion obstetrician who believes that his religious and personal conviction on the issue should be the law of the land, although he wants to impose that law at the local level rather than the federal level. Allegedly, Eric went on a screaming, frothing pro-abortion diatribe around this time at a socially conservative, anti-abortion Christian group meeting.

    So between those two things, the tension erupted and they parted ways. As Tom explains, accounts vary as to whether Dondipshit was fired or quit in a huff.

    Since this meant that Eric was now without a job, his next move was to petition for the LP again, which was pretty ironic because for the previous 15 years he had been screaming to anyone who would listen that the LP is the #1 enemy of liberty, worse than the Democrats, and needs to be destroyed. However, his old friend Bill Redpath ignored that and welcomed him back with open arms. As I recall Eric was pushing Gary Nolan for the LP nomination in 2004 while at the same time forming the partial birth abortion known as Libertarians for Bush.

    He has been repeating this ever since – petitioning for the LP for pay, yet at the same time pushing Libertarians for Giuliani, Libertarians for McCain, Libertarians for Rick Perry, Libertarians for Romney, ad nauseum.

    Naturally, he hates Ron Paul and talks shit about him every chance he gets, and sometimes gets national news coverage for doing so. He is rightfully hated by Ron Paul supporters and considered a traitor.

    Unfortunately, the national LP still considers him a worthy petition contractor. However, from what I have seen he frequently gets bad validity and does sloppy work. I’ve heard numerous reports that he lies about his petitions all the time to the public, and I have his admission in writing that he tells people that marriage equality issues will force churches to marry homosexuals, an outright and bald faced lie he has told to thousands of people to trick them into signing anti-marriage equality petitions. Interestingly though, when frothing against Islam, he claims to be pro-gay. Go figure. I’ve also heard from other petitioners who have worked with him that he frequently gets in screaming confrontations with the public and that he dresses up as a firefighter and pockets donations that are supposed to be for the fire department.

    He has also said, again in writing, that the war issue trumps everything else and he will support pro-war candidates even if he disagrees with them on a whole host of economic and social domestic issues. He believes war is needed to make men more manly and considers himself to be a combat veteran because he was stationed in the Persian gulf on a ship while another ship in the area was accidentally hit by an Iranian missile while Iran was a tacit US ally, his ship went on battle alert for a few hours, and he soiled his dungaroos. He calls that the most exhilarating few hours of his life.

    Others have pointed out that he is still eligible to join, among other things, Blackwater, the French Foreign Legion, the Israeli Defense Forces, etc., but he hasn’t responded about that.

    Sorry, that was more info than you asked about – rant over for now.

  24. Thomas L. Knapp

    “[Eric Dondero] considers himself to be a combat veteran because he was stationed in the Persian gulf on a ship while another ship in the area was accidentally hit by an Iranian missile while Iran was a tacit US ally”

    Change “Iranian” to “Iraqi” on that (the ship was the USS Stark).

    He’s actually been friendlier toward Paul supporters recently, stressing that foreign policy is their big disagreement.

  25. paulie Post author

    Change “Iranian” to “Iraqi” on that (the ship was the USS Stark).

    Oops, my mistake. In any case, the US was arming both sides of that conflict and was not hostile to Saddam yet. So it was not an act of war by any means.

    He’s actually been friendlier toward Paul supporters recently, stressing that foreign policy is their big disagreement.

    Surprising. But maybe I shouldn’t be surprised; the LP seems to be moving away somewhat from the Barr-Root faction, Johnson stressed peace and civil liberties issues quite a bit in his campaign, Barr and Root are both back in the NSGOP, and we got a somewhat better LNC than the last few.

    Meanwhile, Ron Paul has retired, and Rand Paul is more conservative on many issues, so DNDError is most likely trying to worm his way back in to re-capture some sway and possibly find new troughs to feed off in the upcoming Rand Paul campaigns. And, given that Rand Paul endorsed Romney while his dad was still in the race, Eric just may succeed in these endeavors.

  26. bruuno

    paulie- Thanks so much for the answer. I have seen comments made about him often but never really heard the story. Thanks so much. From the article he wrote alone he sounds like a seriously unhinged character. Again, much appreciated paulie.

  27. Bill Blair

    Pahahaha! It’d been a while since I’d heard of ol’ Donderooooooo. Does he still have that Asian mail-order wife, or whatever she was supposed to be?

  28. paulie Post author

    Does he still have that Asian mail-order wife,

    Last I checked, yes. He claims to be a swinger, but a mutual acquaintance told me she is actually not OK with him screwing around, he just cheats on her and possibly sometimes forces her to engage in three-ways or group sex that she is not into.

  29. Thomas L. Knapp

    @46,

    Say what you will about Dondero, he is building a personal brand as a “Republican Wild Man.” Morton Downey and Rush Limbaugh built their successes by being the over-the-top Republican that Democrats loved to hate and mock.

    His blog knocked down more than 100k page views yesterday. If he can keep that ball rolling, he’s gonna have a hell of a soapbox.

  30. Thomas L. Knapp

    Another thing about Dondero:

    Unlike Wayne Allyn Root, Dondero has remained an open, unabashed Republican for quite some time. He’s been very open about what he believes instead of trying to play both sides of the fence.

    When it comes to WAR, a number of people have made the point “if you don’t like him, out-compete him. Go out there and get YOUR mug on TV.”

    Dondero is booked for the Allan Colmes show on Fox tonight. Which show are you booked for?

  31. paulie Post author

    Say what you will about Dondero, he is building a personal brand as a “Republican Wild Man.” Morton Downey and Rush Limbaugh built their successes by being the over-the-top Republican that Democrats loved to hate and mock.

    His blog knocked down more than 100k page views yesterday. If he can keep that ball rolling, he’s gonna have a hell of a soapbox.

    Sucks for the LP that he keeps calling himself a libertarian and that liberals play into that.

  32. paulie Post author

    Unlike Wayne Allyn Root, Dond*** has remained an open, unabashed Republican for quite some time. He’s been very open about what he believes instead of trying to play both sides of the fence.

    Not so. Don**** often trots out and exaggerates his LP credentials. He absolutely does play both sides of the fence. When it suits him.

    He’s also the one that recruited Wayne, so you can thank him for that as well.

    Dond*** is booked for the Allan Colmes show on Fox tonight. Which show are you booked for?

    I’ve never claimed to be the one who should be on the air. I’ll help others get on the air though if they want to work with me.

  33. Oliver Steinberg

    Thanks Darryl for giving a nod to Tim Davis, the Minnesota Grassroots Party candidate for US Senate, who tallied over 30,000 votes or more than 1% statewide. Gary Johnson collected about 35,000, showing how useful an on-line campaign can be if you know how to do it. The Grassroots presidential ticket of Carlson and McMahon finished 6th out of ten, polling a little over 3,000 votes. It would have been nice to come in ahead of Virgil Goode but it was not to be. Of course, it should be noted that Carlson didn’t have any actual campaign organization or effort and in the course of the summer his store was raided by DEA, his bank accounts confiscated, and his automobile seized (on a “terror” warrant.) Instead of campaigning in October he went to Canada and Montana to do a little hunting. Wouldn’t you?

  34. Andy

    “Thomas L. Knapp // Nov 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @46,

    Say what you will about Dondero, he is building a personal brand as a “Republican Wild Man.” Morton Downey and Rush Limbaugh built their successes by being the over-the-top Republican that Democrats loved to hate and mock.

    His blog knocked down more than 100k page views yesterday. If he can keep that ball rolling, he’s gonna have a hell of a soapbox.”

    LOL! It would be funny if Dondero became a big star….well, funny and scary at the same time.

  35. Andy

    “paulie // Nov 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    ‘***dero isn’t nearly as damaging to the LP’s brand as the LP is.’

    I’ll have to disagree about that one.”

    I disagree as well. Dondero calling himself a “libertarian” is bad for the Libertarian Party and Libertarian Movement.

  36. paulie Post author

    ****** is booked for the Allan Colmes show on Fox tonight.

    More irony.

    He is getting booked on all kinds of liberal shows for………..saying he will shun, ignore, not speak to or have anything to do with liberals. Thus doing exactly what he says he won’t do. ROFL. He contradicts himself continuously. Libertarian? Yeah, right.

  37. paulie Post author

    ***dero calling himself a “libertarian” is bad for the Libertarian Party and Libertarian Movement.

    Understatement of the year.

    And there is no potential upside in him becoming more famous.

  38. Andy

    “paulie // Nov 9, 2012 at 11:58 pm

    ‘ ***dero calling himself a “libertarian” is bad for the Libertarian Party and Libertarian Movement.’

    Understatement of the year.

    And there is no potential upside in him becoming
    more famous.”

    I can think of two:

    1) Comic relief.

    2) No more Dondero on any petition drives.

  39. Jill Pyeatt

    jfrrd @ 51: I missed seeing your comment about Art Olivier and his award-winning movie, “Operation Terror”. Yours truly (and my husband Alan) worked as extras on the movie. I’m the redhead climbing to an uncertain fate in the trailer.
    It was quite a fun day, actually.

  40. Thomas L. Knapp

    Paulie @ 54, Andy @ 56,

    When I say that the LP is more damaging to the LP’s brand than Dondero is, here is what I mean:

    Dondero goes around calling himself a libertarian and then saying stuff that makes the claim seem wildly implausible to most people, even those who are not paying close attention.

    The LP, on the other hand, goes around calling itself libertarian, but it has enough past credibility that the implausibility of the current claim isn’t that obvious.

    Which would be more damaging to the Coca-Cola brand: A bunch of obvious counterfeit cans of Coke floating around (everybody can tell they’re not the real thing), or a few counterfeit cans of Coke that look very much like the real thing (but happen to have been spiked with cyanide)?

  41. paulie Post author

    saying stuff that makes the claim seem wildly implausible to most people, even those who are not paying close attention.

    You would think, but I know many libertarians who take his claim at face value, and many, many people in the general public that I run into not only think that his type is the essence of what a libertarian is – they aren’t even aware that other kinds of libertarians (that is actual libertarians) exist. I encounter this confusion all the time. It was especially bad on the heels of the 2008 presidential ticket, and I’ll have to see how much 2012 has been able to dispel those misconceptions, if it has to any meaningful extent at all.

    has enough past credibility that the implausibility of the current claim isn’t that obvious.

    I’m not convinced there’s any implausibility to the current claim.

  42. Thomas L. Knapp

    “I’m not convinced there’s any implausibility to the current claim.”

    When you run two Republican rejects in a row, and the current one’s four biggest claims to fame are that:

    1) As governor of New Mexico, he managed to re-direct a substantial portion of the state budget into corporate welfare for prison operators and road-builders;

    2) As a presidential candidate, he supported and accepted welfare checks for politicians;

    3) As president, he would like to lock US taxpayers into a new system at least as bad as, and probably worse than, the current one;

    4) And oh, by the way, he’s cool with pot and same-sex marriage

    Then I say that the claim of libertarianism is just superficially plausible enough, but really implausible enough, to create long-term brand damage far worse than having some weirdo out there saying bizarre things.

    Then again, we may differ as to what the brand SHOULD stand for.

  43. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “Dondero goes around calling himself a libertarian and then saying stuff that makes the claim seem wildly implausible to most people, even those who are not paying close attention.”

    While a higher percentage of the public is familiar with the word libertarian than they were 10 years ago, there are still a lot of people out there who have either never heard of it, or have heard of it but don’t know what it is, or have heard of it and have a misconception about what it is.

    I actually have encountered people who thought that Eric Dondero’s brand of “libertarian” is what a libertarian is (and most of these people don’t want anything to do with libertarians for that reason), and this is scary.

  44. Deran

    I noticed that the Party for Socialism and Liberation got on 13 state ballots, and only managed to generate 9000 votes. At least at this point. Pretty poor return on the effort. All the parties with “socialist” in the name did very poorly.

  45. paulie Post author

    When you run two Republican rejects in a row,

    Johnson was a Libertarian in the 1980s and early 1990s prior to running for office. Many of the issues he put front and center in his campaign this year were issues where libertarians agree with liberals and disagree with conservatives, so lumping him in with Barr seems to me to be way off.

    and the current one’s four biggest claims to fame are that:

    I disagree that these are his “four biggest claims to fame.”

    1) As governor of New Mexico, he managed to re-direct a substantial portion of the state budget into corporate welfare for prison operators and road-builders;

    This is true, but it was never a big issue in this year’s campaign. The number of people who know about is probably small relative to the number of people who heard his message of ending the war on marijuana, supporting marriage equality, ending the wars and the federal reserve etc.

    What you are referring to comes from an imperfect understanding of ‘privatization’ that could stem from incrementalist libertarian impulses. He’s now studying more hardcore libertarian theory, so hopefully he won’t advocate for such things in the future.

    2) As a presidential candidate, he supported and accepted welfare checks for politicians;

    As opposed to letting the Democrats and Republicans have all the money and engaging in unilateral disarmament, or having it go to the regime general fund? Well, I suppose having LP candidates printed on the ballot, using the government mail and so on is welfare also. I’m relatively OK with it though. Pretty sure it’s not increasing the amount looted from tax victims…at least as far as I know.

    3) As president, he would like to lock US taxpayers into a new system at least as bad as, and probably worse than, the current one;

    Definitely worse than the current one. That part I fully agree with you on. He did seem to be evolving away from it at one point, but then started emphasizing it again unfortunately.

    4) And oh, by the way, he’s cool with pot and same-sex marriage

    No, not “oh by the way.”

    That was the biggest focus of the campaign, along with ending the wars and the fed and balancing the budget.

    Watch the ads, read the twitter feed or blog posts, watch the debates and interviews. I did a lot of that – more than just about anyone, probably – so I was and am pretty aware of what the campaign’s central message was. It’s why I decided to get on board despite the other things you mention.

    You reverse the main course with the OBTW.

    Then I say that the claim of libertarianism is just superficially plausible enough, but really implausible enough, to create long-term brand damage far worse than having some weirdo out there saying bizarre things.

    Some weirdo saying bizarre things, and a bunch of other weirdos saying similar things, adds up to one seriously bad impression of libertarianism among huge chunks of our most available untapped target audience.

    Whatever their flaws – and we largely agree on them – Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have done a lot more to dispel that bad impression and create a good one, in different and overlapping ways, among that target audience, for the “L” brand than anyone else.

    The more attention Eric gets the more he works at cross-purpose to this.

    Then again, we may differ as to what the brand SHOULD stand for.

    I think we agree pretty thoroughly, except for pathways to get from here to there.

  46. wolfefan

    Hello – congrats on the good showing, LP! I remember that Wes Benedict’s PAC was planning to do some robo-calling in OH if the $$ came through. Did that happen, and if so in what precincts/counties? I’d like to check results from those areas to see if there’s any difference from the state at large.

  47. Andy

    “Johnson was a Libertarian in the 1980s and early 1990s prior to running for office.”

    I’m only aware of Gary Johnson having been an LP member for one year in the early 1990’s before he ran for Governor.

  48. paulie Post author

    There was apparently also another time in the 1980s, and he claims to have first become interested in libertarian ideas back in the 1970s by reading Rand and a few other things.

  49. Darryl W. Perry

    @19 – Nick, I’m sure there were many fine candidates whom I did not endorse. Mostly, I found lists of candidates and read candidate statements – I did not spend hours researching each candidate.
    I also missed Jason Gatties in Michigan’s 6th Congressional District.

  50. Steven Berson

    Some interesting figures on the level of spending versus the number of votes derived and what per capita spending by the top 4 vote getting political parties was for this Presidential election. Turns out third party’s DO get way more “bang for the buck”!

    D $932,094,231 spent / 62,182,364 votes = $14.99/vote
    R $1,030,218,318 spent / 58,834,168 votes = $17.51/vote
    L $2,919,593 / 1,191,420 votes = $2.45/vote
    G $882,354 / 420,515 votes = $2.10/vote

    Figures are rough and were gotten by the reports on campaign spending on http://www.opensecrets.org/ and the popular vote counts (which does not include all write-ins yet) being reported at http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

  51. Darryl W. Perry

    http://wh.gov/9SAO

    We, the undersigned people of the United States of America respectfully request that the President of the United States of America grant us his assurance that he will permit the peaceful withdrawal of any State, territory and/or tribe from the Union of the United States of America, should such an action be undertaken.

    Specifically, we seek the President’s full assurance that no force or threat of force, military or otherwise, will be authorized by the President, to counter or impede a motion to secede by any State, territory and/or tribe, or to counter or impede the full implementation of such an endeavor.

  52. Thomas L. Knapp

    SB @ 74,

    “Turns out third party’s DO get way more ‘bang for the buck’!”

    Well, it looks that way … but it’s not necessarily true.

    It’s more likely that every party has a base that they’d get whether they spent significant money or not; that the farther beyond that base they get, the higher their cost per vote; and that the reason third parties come out with a lower total cost per vote is that they don’t have the money to begin to touch the votes that are very far beyond their own bases.

    Or to put it a different way:

    If Gary Johnson had had almost no money, he’d have still received at least 200k votes. So he spent more like $2.90 per vote, for that additional million votes, than $2.41 … and the NEXT million might have cost him $3.50 per vote, and the million after that $5 per vote, and so on, if he’d had the money available to try to go after them.

  53. Steven Berson

    TK @ 76 – great points and I in fact agree for the most part with you on this. Unfortunately we don’t have good case studies for a few “all other things being equal” samples to confirm which of our premises are in fact true.

  54. Kleptocracy And You

    What is wrong with this ?
    Johnson Campaign Spending Figures through Oct.25, 2012

    Vendor/Recipient Total No. of Payments
    Political Advisors $953,984 100
    Politcal Advisors $849,500 49
    NSON Political Advisors $140,400 9
    Eh2 Consulting $95,500 11
    Bydlak, Jonathan $78,470 14
    Daines Goodwin & Co $53,708 26
    Zions Bancorp $36,510 49
    Merchant Service $13,346 7
    Hackstaff Law Group $10,500 5
    Our America Initiative $10,000 1
    Fundly $8,151 4
    Law Office of Douglas C Herbert $7,000 1
    Wagon Works $6,500 4
    Charles Frohman $4,000 2
    Libertarian Party of Nevada $2,758 1
    Snell & Wilmer $2,205 1
    Frohmann, Charles $2,000 1
    Beehive Insurance Agency $1,599 1
    Media Temple $1,500 10
    Paypal Inc $1,295 5
    Republican Party Of Missouri $1,000 1
    NH Secretary Of State $1,000 1

    How does OpenSecrets.org classify campaign expenditures?

    NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2012 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on Thursday, October 25, 2012.

    Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but please credit the Center for Responsive Politics. For permission to reprint for commercial uses, such as textbooks, contact the Center.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    me – Political Advisors AGAIN get fed well by the libertarian candidate leaving almost NOTHING for media. This insanity will never equal success for the alternative LP or for any alternative Party. An alternative Party campaign, due to limited funds must be a LEAN MEAN FIGHTING machine. Money’s tight so you must be a TIGHTWAD when dealing With so-called “advisors”. From me seeing this it says to me that the Johnson campaign JUST LIKE the Barr campaign was used by a FEW to make money off the LP members and donars. The “insiders” make off like BANDITS while advertisements to build the L Brand go UNDONE !

    Like I’ve said before, give me the Ron Paul money over the last two cycles and WE will build the LP to a major Party status and I wouldn’t ROB you in the process! After all this we (LP) are in a good position in Ballot Access, but we still are lacking in so many areas. You gave your money (hard earned in many cases) and it seems a few have collected the most of the money for advisory roles.

    Frankly friends I saw very little SOUND “strategy” in either the Paul, Barr or Johnson campaigns. Two cycles complete now and where does the membership of the Party now stand ? Where does the LP coffers now stand? Look at the figures (especially % wise of the total) for POLITICAL ADVISORS !

    UN FRIGGIN’ BELIEVABLE …….

  55. paulie Post author

    Off to DC, leaving in a few minutes.

    I may or may not be online in the next week or so.

    415-690-6352 if anyone needs me for anything.

    Anyone who will be up there and can help us cover the LNC meeting that would be appreciated.

    If anyone would like to contribute to help pay for the trip that would be appreciated as well.

  56. Kleptocracy And You

    @81 now that’s bookeeping that might get your ass in a bind as this IS the FEDERAL election commision afterall…

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  57. Andy

    “Republican Party Of Missouri $1,000″

    Why did the Gary Johnson campaign pay $1,000 to the Republican Party of Missouri in October of 2012?

  58. Jill Pyeatt

    Have we made any plans to cover the Libertarian National Committee’s meeting this weekend? I know Paulie was hoping to find someone to videotape the proceedings, but I don’t know if someone will be doing that. Is anyone going who can report back to us what’s going on?

  59. Chuck Moulton

    There was a strategic planning session. Now the LNC is getting training from the Leadership
    Institute.

    I don’t know if anyone will be live blogging the LNC meeting on Saturday and Sunday.

    Paulie just told me some local activists will try to do a broadcast.

  60. Jill Pyeatt

    Thanks, Chuck. I was going to call Paulie, but I won’t bother him since you’ve recently touched base with him.

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  62. Libertarian Party Needs Your Support

    Yes it made me feel good inside to finally have the LP POTUS ticket surpass Clark’s ’80 record in total votes. A long overdue result !!! I also rejoiced in the success of our downticket warriors and in the major victories in WA and CO and elsewhere in citizen’s awakenings. Yes, 2012 was a very GOOD year for the LP.

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  63. Michael H. Wilson

    @ 89 I think that particular part of the issues section may by plagiarized from something done earlier and it does not paint an accurate picture of medicine in that time period.

  64. Kevin Knedler

    @ # 69
    Yes, there were robo calls in Ohio for GJ2012.
    It was a few days before the November 6 election. Many people told me they received the call. That is all I know about it.

  65. wolfefan

    Hi Kevin @ #92 – thanks! And thanks as well to bruuno @77. People who don’t understand how polling works at the most basic leve would be well advised to keep quiet about it.

  66. Gigi Bowman

    Quote of the day lol I still haven’t digested that this guy was part of the LP EVER!

    Wayne Allyn Root:
    My message to Benjamin Netanyahu- millions like me in USA are behind you. Do whatever you have to do top clean up Gaza. We have your back!

  67. Jill Pyeatt

    GB @ 94: (I can’t even bring myself to repeat what WAR said).

    *facepalm* I’m sure Wayne is much happier now that he’s free to say what he wants to. Plus, the silver lining for him from the election is that he can stay in the spotlight for 4 more years, since Obama will be around to trash. I say this without any intent at snarkism.

  68. Trent Hill

    Anyone else see the election in NH where a minarchist Republican faced an anarchist Democrat?

    Pretty weird. Free State Project wet-dream.

  69. New Far-Right_Republican Nonsense

    Based on an inability to read the Twelfth Amendment, Twelfthers have come up with the idea that the 12th Amendment requires a quorum of 2/3 of the electors voting to choose a President.

    The actual text of the amendment actually discusses a quorum of 2/3 of the states having at least one Representative present, if the Electors fail to elect a President and the House is to do the electing.

    The Twelfthers have the unusually stupid idea of having Republican electors not vote, on the wrong belief that if enough of them fail to vote the election will be transferred to the House of Representatives, where Romney would (enough states having Republican-majority delegations) supposedly be elected President.

    This thinking lines up with the Republican secession petitions.

  70. paulie Post author

    Off to DC, leaving in a few minutes.

    I may or may not be online in the next week or so.

    I’m back – only ten days later – and only 700 or so IPR comments to go through.

    Ah well, I made it through 4,000 emails yesterday….

  71. paulie Post author

    now that’s bookeeping that might get your ass in a bind as this IS the FEDERAL election commision afterall…

    Details, please.

  72. paulie Post author

    Why did the Gary Johnson campaign pay $1,000 to the Republican Party of Missouri in October of 2012?

    They didn’t. The number are cumulative spending through October 2012, not just spending in October 2012 only. It was a primary filing fee.

  73. paulie Post author

    Paulie just told me some local activists will try to do a broadcast.

    Apparently the internet was too slow for that, but Bruce Majors recorded some video which he has been posting at vimeo.

  74. paulie Post author

    The actual text of the amendment actually discusses a quorum of 2/3 of the states having at least one Representative present, if the Electors fail to elect a President and the House is to do the electing.

    The Twelfthers have the unusually stupid idea of having Republican electors not vote, on the wrong belief that if enough of them fail to vote the election will be transferred to the House of Representatives, where Romney would (enough states having Republican-majority delegations) supposedly be elected President.

    First I’ve heard of this but just trying to parse it out…if 1/3 of the states have their entire delegations boycott the session of the electoral college, it throws it to the House?

  75. just Freedom

    From the Roseanne 2012 Facebook feed —

    “Larry Hagman, a longtime member of the Peace and Freedom Party, said he wanted his remains to be “spread over a field and have marijuana and wheat planted and harvest it in a couple of years and then have a big marijuana cake, enough for 200 to 300 people. People would eat a little of Larry.””

  76. JQ2inTX

    People who actually listen to Roseanne Barr need to leave that Marijuana or other drugs alone for awhile. It might just help to bring their brains back into reality, instead of the land of wherever the woman is currently living.

  77. JQ2inTX

    I don’t see any way for the electoral college to not elect President Obama to a 2nd term. Whether or not I agree with him or his policies, he is the duly elected President. Even if the position posited by the people looking for an upset in the house actually get their wish, the House cannot in good conscience reverse the vote of the nation. This is a moot point.

  78. paulie Post author

    Yes, Republicans are having a tough time adjusting to the fact that Obama will not be leaving office in a few weeks. Oh well.

  79. Natural born

    @108 The only chance left to stop Obama would be if the new Congress refused to certify his election by the college based in his prima facie nonqualification to serve as a natural born British subject.

  80. paulie Post author

    @111 In other words, no chance. There may be a few loopy birthers in Congress but not nearly enough for anything like that,

  81. D. Lou Shenol

    @109 The Rs have noone to blame but themselves. Dole, McCain and Romney, I mean can anyone here spell LOSER !?! Plus they give the people H.W. and then W. which proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, NUTS don’t fall far from the tree. Buffoons elected to the highest office in the land.

    NOW WHAT America?

    Look for a Hillary vs Jeb Bush in ’16. The mushrooms will accept and BELIEVE anything…..

    Rockefellers control government : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16bJ0qrg_d8&feature=related

    `~CFR – Council on Foreign Relations Hillary Clinton tells who gives the orders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-sUywS0FJ4&feature=fvwrel

    “I am delighted to be here in these new [Council on Foreign Relations] headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.” – Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, 7/15/2009

  82. Fred

    I just want to mention that in your first interview with Gary Johnson’s campaign manager Ron Nielson he said he would make public their spending through October.

    RON: We’ve put that out in the form of a letter from our Treasurer for our spending through the end of September.

    RON: Our Treasurer will update those numbers for October and at the end of the campaign.

    AFAIK that hasn’t been done. If I’m wrong someone let me know because I’d like to see them.

  83. Jose C.

    Paulie,

    Please contact (E-mail) me. I have been contacted by someone who wants the Party in Los Angeles to do two ballot drives in Los Angeles County. I need advice as it relates to this request.

  84. Jill Pyeatt

    Jose, if you click on “About IPR” at the very top of this site, it will give you Paulie’s phone number. That’s the best way to reach him.

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