LP Members Express Concern that Wayne Allyn Root is Campaigning for Romney

 

Mitt Romney has only officially been the Republican Party’s presidential candidate for three days, but several Libertarians are already upset that Wayne Allyn Root, who is the chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committe, and an At-Large member of the Libertarian National Committee appears to be campaigning for Mitt Romney and his vp candidate, Paul Ryan.

 

IPR received the following letter from New Mexico’s chair, Mike Blessing, last night:

 

It seems that Wayne Allyn Root spent a good bit of June, July and
August stumping for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan (with a little bit for
Scott Brown, etc.) on Fox News, townhall.com, and personalliberty.com,
etc., and then posting about it to his Facebook and Twitter pages.

This is inexcusable.

I’ve never been one to join the anti-Root campaigns before, but this
pushes me over the top.

I know that he said he was just giving Team Romney some “free advice.”

How would George Bush have reacted if GEN McChrystal or GEN Petraeus
had put out a press release with some “free advice” for al-Qaeda or
the Taliban?

SHOW ME the “branding” guy from Pepsi who gets ahead by talking up
Coke in the media.

The proverbial “Duh” comes to mind here.

Hey, Wayne, I don’t have any personal animosity towards you. If you
were JUST an oddsmaker posting predictions, I could let some of this
slide. If you were JUST a pundit expressing your views, I could let
some of this slide. And there’s too much, over too long of a time
span, to blow this off as a “lapse in judgment” or “poor choice of
words.”

But the fact remains that you’re ALSO the current chair of the LNCC,
sitting on the LNC, and sitting on the Nevada LP’s state-level
Executive Committee, while stumping for GOP candidates (Mitt Romney
and Paul Ryan) in direct opposition to the LP’s candidates for the
same offices (Gary Johnson and Jim Gray).

THE EVIDENCE

I’ve got a few screenshots and saved web pages. Here’s some URLs for
for your examination (screenshots are attached at the bottom) — I’m
sure there’s more to be found, so check these URLs, too:

http://facebook.com/wayne.a.root

http://facebook.com/WayneAllynRoot

https://twitter.com/WayneRoot/

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/

Articles, Radio Shows

http://www.700wlw.com/player/?station=WLW-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=bill_cunningham.xml&mid=21977071 Root on 700-WLW

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2012/06/18/how_romney_can_win_the_presidency__this_week

http://www.newsmax.com/WayneAllynRoot/Marco-Rubio-VP-Latino/2012/06/19/id/442814

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2012/07/31/media_is_mad_because_mitt_told_the_truth

http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/09/obamas-college-classmate-speaks-out-the-scandal-at-columbia-that-ends-the-obama-presidency/

http://www.spreecast.com/events/malzbergwayne-root-obama-a-fraud

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2012/08/13/how_to_turn_paul_ryan_into_obamas_shadow

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/what-mitt-romney-should-tell-harry-reid/

http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2012/08/28/message_to_romney_own_the_word_extreme

Facebook

Twitter

______________________________________________________________________
Mike Blessing
State Chair, Libertarian Party of New Mexico
505-515-7015 / http://lpnm.us

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Also, a new Facebook group has appeared to track behaviors of Mr. Root that other LP members have issues with:

W. A.R. Is Bad For The Libertarian Party

158 thoughts on “LP Members Express Concern that Wayne Allyn Root is Campaigning for Romney

  1. Steven Wilson

    Why is this a surprise or even an article?

    If he told people that the LP should “steal” republican candidates and get them to run as Libertarians, why wouldn’t it work both ways?

    The LP has no money and Root wants Fame and Fortune. His future has always been his wallet.

    If he could, he would sell the world. This is not news. Convention goers understood completely. Voting is a consent mechanism. Deal with the votes accordingly.

    In 2014, the Republicans will retake the LNC. A dimes worth of a penny stock.

  2. bruuno

    What really strikes me about his tweets are how they are just lazy and childish reiterations of the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck crowd.
    By the way, bragging about not bragging still counts as bragging. And since when has Barack Obama bragged about his charity work?

  3. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Steve @ 1: I debated about posting this as an article, but, as an LP members who is spending my time and money to get our candidates, Johnson and Gray, elected, I really have issues with someone so prominent in our party promoting Romney. I believe many of the links above prove that. Some people disagree with me; in fact, fellow writer here Paulie has a long response to this on the open thread. I hope he shows up here and posts it here as a comment.

  4. paulie

    Jill, I actually do not disagree. I have issues with it too.

    The short version was:

    I don’t condone it. I just think it’s hard enough to get the LNC to do anything useful without spending yet more time having votes to censure or remove members — especially when the votes will not succeed in removing or even censuring them. I prefer an outwards facing circular firing squad.

    The long version will follow momentarily.

    Please feel free to include it in the article or publish at as a separate article.

  5. paulie

    My response was

    Hi Mike, thanks for writing.

    My sense is the votes are not there on the LNC to have 2/3 plus one for removal for cause plus survive an appeal to Judiciary Committee. I don’t think the votes are there even for a censure. I don’t think it would be a close call either.

    Wayne has made the point that he is just the representative for a segment of delegates that voted for him (conservative-libertarians or “Republitarians” as some call them), and is staying on to represent them. From the other side of the fence, Angela Keaton did the same thing two terms ago, running for and winning a second LNC term *after* she concluded that the LP as a whole had become overall detrimental to the cause of liberty.

    Were I in Wayne’s position (or Angela’s then) of effectively seeing the LP as “your party” (as Wayne has put it), I would not seek or accept a spot on the LNC, but at the same time I think attempts to purge or vote LNC members “off the island” whether they be Keaton and Wrights two terms ago or Root and Lieberman this term – especially when the votes are not lined up – are a huge waste of time.

    I suppose a point could be made that it would at least get LNC members on the record as to who would support removal or censure and who would not, but what I would like to see the LNC do instead is focus on a positive agenda of concrete actions which I have been repeatedly calling for on the LNC list to make the committee more useful to the party as a whole, and any time spent on considering censuring or removing LNC members would take away from the time we could possibly hope to have to consider matters involving improving outreach literature, better training for affiliates and party activists, and so on.

    The solutions that I see instead are

    1) Better organization in getting “our” people to the next national convention and better floor management to get better election results in electing the next LNC – we better be ready, because the other side (Wayne and friends) have already said they will step up their game in Columbus from what we saw in Vegas and they will be on their home turf in Columbus…

    and

    2) Better efforts at outreach to non-LP members (college students and others coming primarily from left-libertarian perspectives) along with efforts to sign them up as LP members and delegates to state conventions and the next national convention,

    1 and 2 both working hand in hand.

    I have been publicly and privately calling for these actions for at least 6 years repeatedly and people have largely ignored me, although William Sparkman did some of that with Texas delegates this year which helped improve LNC results quite a bit from my perspective.

    We’ll need a larger and more concerted effort like that in 2014, as I expect one from the “other side”.

    We’ll also need a college outreach effort and a media spokesteam and professional booking agency.

    Anything you can do to help put these things together would be appreciated.

    The closest thing I see to the college and media effort I would like to see is the Gary Johnson campaign, and I am going to spend as much time as I can between now and the election — and hopefully, continuously after that — to help those efforts, as I would like to see others doing. I would think that in New Mexico especially the field should be ripe — UNM and Nob Hill areas in Albuquerque, among many others, are good place to start concerted organizing.

    In order to manage my time better I have also been staying off facebook by and large, but we do also have a great outreach effort there on http://www.facebook.com/libertarians as well as on twitter http://twitter.com/LPNational ; helping spread, share, like, retweet etc would be of help. If I get back on another facebook spree I’ll be helping to spread the stuff being posted there.

    In my other capacity as a writer for IPR, I am holding off on publishing articles until after the petition drives are over (Sept 7), but I am sending your letter and my response to the other IPR writers to see if they want to publish it.

    Thank you again for writing.

    If you aren’t already, you can see any ensuing discussion at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LNCDiscussPublic/ or at http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/ if one of our writers chooses to publish it there. Please feel free to share elsewhere as well.

    -paulie 415-690-6352

  6. Thomas L. Knapp

    Wayne’s not doing anything that he hasn’t been doing since before joining the LP.

    If LP members are “concerned” that he’s doing what he always does as a member of the LNC, maybe they shouldn’t have elected, then re-elected, him.

  7. Mike Blessing

    I’m with Jill Pyeatt on publishing this information.

    For a longer-term solution, Paulie, you’re 100 % correct.

    I don’t have a problem per se with Root et al trying to recruit from the “Republitarian” sector – I used to be there myself, and in some ways still am. Ron Bjornstad, who’s been in the LPNM longer than I have, can tell you that for the first year I was a member, the ONLY issue that I cared about was the Second Amendment.

    I wasn’t until November 1996, when I read The Probability Broach and The Nagasaki Vector by L. Neil Smith and Why Government Doesn’t Work by Harry Browne that I saw the bigger picture.

    At the same time, I don’t have a problem per se with recruiting from the “left-libertarian” sector.

    My concern with this whole “left-libertarian” vs. “right-libertarian” pissing contest is that the word “libertarian” sometimes gets pushed to the wayside and forgotten, when it should take the lead.

    My problem with Root is exactly what is stated in my original message – Root is marketing himself as “Mr. LP” and “Mr. Libertarian” while simultaneously stumping for a non-libertarian (anti-libertarian?) candidate nominated by the Republican Party.

    This is something I would have NEVER even contemplated, even in those two years before I realized what libertarianism was all about.

    In 1996, I didn’t campaign for Dole.

    In 2000 and 2004, I didn’t campaign for Bush.

    In 2008, I didn’t campaign for McCain — I held my nose and voted for Barr to maintain the LPNM’s ballot access (didn’t work). So at that time I voted for Root.

    So Root needs to answer for this. This can’t be buried in some LNC executive session – not if the LNC wants to retain the trust of the rank-and-file membership.

  8. paulie

    Jill: Yep, that is the usual thing Dondero does every election.

    Mike: Unless something changes, I don’t think there will be an LNC session on this, open or closed.

    If there is one, I think Root will prevail easily unless something changes.

  9. paulie

    Tom,

    If LP members are “concerned” that he’s doing what he always does as a member of the LNC, maybe they shouldn’t have elected, then re-elected, him.

    Not all LP members were able to be delegates and not all or even most delegates voted for Wayne, so the collective guilt thing only goes so far.

  10. Mike Blessing

    On that Facebook search page, scroll on down till you see “Sylvia Bokor” – she’s one of the “Romney-tarians” here in town. I’ve been having loads of fun stomping all over her brand of cognitive dissonance.

  11. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    There’s quite a discussion going on on the LP Radical Caucus FB page about this.

  12. Steven R Linnabary

    Wayne should know that it is one thing to be a “media pundit” and another to be an active cheerleader for everything the LP opposes.

    But what is worse is he compares his beautiful wife to an aging sorority girl. I have to wonder how she feels about that.

    PEACE

  13. Carol Moore

    Other state chairs have to get together and write a letter to all members of LNC and some have got to say they will show up at the next meeting. Enough is enough already.

  14. Michael H. Wilson

    Just for the record the Michael H Wilson on the Libs for Romney ain’t this Michael H Wilson.

  15. wolfefan

    Since Wayne brought up his wife, does anyone know when she was Miss Oklahoma? Not that it’s a big deal or anything, but I remember her from her Mrs Malibu days when she was on TV trying to get money for her business. I don’t recall anything about Miss Oklahoma then, and she’s not on the Miss Oklahoma website as a previous winner (unless I don’t have her name corrrect.) I know there are lots of Miss Whatevers… Miss Teen OK, Miss Junior OK, etc. Not important – just wondering.

  16. Steven Wilson

    At Jill and Paulie,

    My point was that publishing information about someone should expect a different outcome. Especially here.

    1. I don’t think this is news because I have never considered Root a Libertarian.

    2. This information along with the response offered by Mike indicates business as usual.

    Therefore, the outcome will be the same.

    The first time I heard Wayne refer to himself as a Reagan Libertarian I knew he was worthless. Further proof of his ego and true colors would be equal to burying someone at eight feet rather than six.

    Deeper won’t change their present state of being.

  17. Austin Cassidy

    By no means am I a huge Wayne Allen Root fan, at best he’s clearly riding the fence between the GOP and LP.

    But having said that, I kind of wish the New Mexico Libertarian Party was actually recruiting and running candidates instead of worrying about this kind of internal fighting and nonsense.

    Governor Johnson’s home state, where he’s expected to possibly draw double-digits on the Presidential line, and the LP website lists zero down-ballot candidates there.

    The LP NM website doesn’t even seem to have been updated since 2011 and makes absolutely no mention of Gary Johnson in any way…

    http://www.lpnm.us

  18. Austin Cassidy

    New Mexico doesn’t appear to have particularly draconian petition requirements to run a slate of candidates either. Look at their qualifying handbook online and the number of signatures required to put a minor party candidate on for the State House or State Senate is quite reasonable — well under 100 signatures in most districts. In Senate District 34 only 13 signatures would be required.

    What am I missing here? Is the LPNM an operational entity?

    http://www.sos.state.nm.us/uploads/files/2012CandidateGuide-E.pdf

  19. Mike Blessing

    We’re semi-operational at this point — we got hit with litigation from Alan Woodruff, a guy who wanted to be a candidate because he wanted to show off how smart he is and got bored in retirement sued us — he’s a lawyer and could file motions for $6 a pop, while we had to hire a lawyer at $200 an hour. We ran up 40k in legal bills to fight Woodruff off, didn’t recover a penny in damages, and are still 7500 in the hole. While we were fighting that battle, our volunteer base largely dried up. The Johnson campaign has helped us recover a bit by bringing in new people, but we’re still waiting for the cash flow to improve.

    I’ve talked with our webmaster about improving the site . . .

  20. paulie

    Steven

    Mike took a lot of effort to lay out his case and write the whole LNC, state chairs list and so on.

    He deserves to have his idea considered, many others agree with him, others do not.

    There are over 10,000 other posts on IPR, almost all still open for additional comment, if you find this one boring.

    It seems to be getting a lot of traffic though. Adam Kokesh apparently covered this tonight.

  21. What About Root's Million Dollar Donor?

    What about that PAC which allegedly received a million dollar pledge from some “anonymous donor” at Root’s fundraiser for Gary Johnson?

    Wayne Allyn Root bragged about finding an “anonymous donor” who pledged a million dollars to some PAC for Johnson.

    Which PAC was that?

    Did that million dollars ever materialize?

    Was that “anonymous donor” for real?

  22. Steven Wilson

    Paulie, I am not doubting the effort. As for boring that is relative to the reader. I read many things here for information and entertainment. I comment if I can add information and help out or I do it to sound off on my own feelings.

    I would never speak for the posters here or anyone in the LP.

    I just don’t understand why people keep working to disavow Root or spend time with his commentary, no matter what medium he is using.

    It seems to me people think there is some kind of threshold that when the readers or members reach it that will be check mate. I think Ohio will return things as they were before.

    Non presidential year apathy coupled with location indicates to me it will return.

    Root will leave when a better deal comes along. Not before. He will work the situations one by one to find the best time to exit.

    By the way, I would never tell anyone what to post here as an article. But when posted, the article is an open game.

  23. paulie

    What about that PAC which allegedly received a million dollar pledge from some “anonymous donor” at Root’s fundraiser for Gary Johnson?

    It wasn’t at Root’s fundraiser. It was just announced there.

    Wayne Allyn Root bragged about finding an “anonymous donor” who pledged a million dollars to some PAC for Johnson.

    Incorrect. He had nothing to do with finding the donor as far as I know.

    Which PAC was that?

    I forgot the name of it.

    Did that million dollars ever materialize?

    The last I heard was that $250,000 materialized. I’m not aware of it being spent. Maybe more materialized since then, maybe the 250k has not materialized in actuality.

    Was that “anonymous donor” for real?

    Back when I had the name of it at my fingertips I looked it up, and a person’s name was listed, but that may have been someone paid to set it up rather than the actual donor.

  24. Dan

    Wow, big surprise – not. Again, as long as Root is part of the LP, I will not be and I will not support an LP candidate. Pity, I really like Gary Johnson.

  25. paulie

    My understanding is that the PAC is someone who is in media and advertising and a friend of Ron Nielson’s. The money is to be used for ads.

    Because there was a fundraiser at Root’s house when the news broke an announcement was made there to pump up donors. There’s no indication that the donor was there much less that Root had anything to do with bringing it together. Ron Nielson was the one who recruited the donor (or didn’t, if the money never showed up).

  26. Charles Lupton

    I do know there has been at least two $100K donors that have 100% for certain written the checks. The $1 Million donor has at least given the $250K as stated above. The name of the PAC is the “Freedom and Liberty PAC”. This is a link to their last FEC filing and to their website:

    http://images.nictusa.com/pdf/621/12971380621/12971380621.pdf
    http://freedomandlibertypac.com/

    We won’t get more info until the next quarterly filing in October for July-Sep.

  27. Charles Lupton

    BTW, those two $100K donors. One is a consultant of some sort in CA(found the name but don’t have it handy and wasn’t correctly filed with the FEC, but town and last name were correct). The second one is from here in TX, but even I don’t have more info than that.

    I also know another TX donor that gave a few thousand here in TX for a fundraising dinner we had here. He is a long time libertarian activist and frequent donor to the LP in TX. I know him personally, but he doesn’t want it published.

  28. Charles Lupton

    BTW, I have a prediction for Mr. Root. Gov. Johnson will receive a greater % vote and a greater number of votes in # total than any LP PotUS ticket in history in 2012.

  29. Starchild

    Dan @32 – If that’s how you feel, and you feel that way because you do have strongly libertarian views, then I encourage you to join the LP as a voting member so you can help make sure W.A.R. isn’t elected again next convention. If he’s denied a place in the leadership he’ll probably leave of his own accord, because he sees himself as the leader of the party.

  30. RevFatsax

    Dan @32/Starchild @41
    I feel SOOOOO strongly about your (Dan) post…I was a huge supporter of the energy and focus and drive of Wayne through the convention…but since his abandoning of the LP and subsequent Romneyfest he is spearheading, I have finally seen what so many LP friends and partymembers were trying to tell me this whole time. I pledge to support Gary, put up my yard sign and bumpersticker…but no more money, no more help with organizing and no more effort for the LP until he is publicly called out by the LNC for his actions and words. If this party is just a Republican feeder group, I don’t want to help in any way. If my vote decided Nevada…I would vote for Obama just so I can say to Wayne and all the GOP’ers that I do not want to be GOP-lite, and will never be used or led by this type of political animal. If we’re going off the cliff, hammer down and lets get this revolution started.

  31. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Wow, RevFatsax, very strong words. I agree that I won’t give the LNC any money until they deal with Root.

  32. Mike Jones

    How do you think the LNC might “deal” with him?

    If you have a case for removal that can survive a Judicial Committee appeal, can you lay out exactly which bylaws he has violated and in what way?

  33. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    C’mon, Mike Jones, it is WRONG for Root to be promoting another party’s presidential candidate while we have one of our own. There doesn’t need to be a by-law telling him what many of us see as the ethical choice, “best practice”, or however you want to call it. If the LNC chooses to not put pressure on Root to do the right thing, I choose not to send them money. This isn’t new. I’ve been this way for a couple of years, I’ve talked about it several times, and I know I’m not alone. Do I have a case for removal to propose that would survive a Judicial Committee review? No I don’t, so I’ll do what I CAN do is an individual ,which is to not give money.

  34. RevFatsax

    Mike, if you were asking me…I don’t care if he “technically” violated any bylaws. When I hear him on TV, radio and read in print his contempt of Obama and his praise and preference of Romney without even lipservice to the LP candidate at a time when ANY press would be welcome to Gary…he is committing an offense to the members who faithfully defend the ideas and spirit of liberty against the hordes of braindead Republican and Democrat zombies who spew the same talking points Root does. I will fight tyranny and oppression from the R and D party, but when someone in our party is arming them, I will not abide. This aggression will not stand, man. He’s a habitual line stepper…in the words of Charlie Murphy.

  35. RevFatsax

    I believe that is the first reported comparison of Wayne Allen Root with Rick James…I am so proud. Probably the last, though.

  36. Mike Jones

    Again: LNC would have to have formal charges to do anything. Do you have any? If not, what do you expect LNC to do and how?

  37. Austin Cassidy

    @32 – What’s the deal with Joe Liemandt, he’s a big Obama bundler who also gives some cash to the LP or related organizations.

    It seems like his donations to LP causes are very specifically tied to Wes Benedict, though. They old friends or something?

  38. RevFatsax

    LNC doesn’t need to have formal charges to band together and put out a public statement of dissapproval of his actions and words. Nobody at the RNC needed formal charges to publicly abandon and politically lynch that Missouri Republican who talked about rape and conception…Akin I think was his name…o.

  39. Q2Q

    Who cares about who WAR is supporting!!!! He has a right to support whomever he wants and show that support in an appropriate way. Personally, I don’t blame him for not supporting Johnson. Johnson is uninspiring, bland, and comes off as arrogant. Plus, lets be realistic: People who vote for Johnson are essentially voting to reelect Obama. it’s better to have Romney then to risk another four years of obama

  40. Root Sucks

    Typically, pundits don’t have to repeatedly remind everyone that they’re pundits.

    Root is a pundit in his own mind.

  41. Steven R Linnabary

    You have to wonder what Wayne is going to do when he finds out the new republican platform advocates outlawing internet gambling. I seem to recall that was one of his favorite themes.

    Maybe he will see the error of his ways and come home.

    PEACE

  42. NewFederalist

    @36… I doubt that Ed Clark’s record is in jeopardy. If the ticket is bounced from OK, OH and PA and a stand in with the same name used in MI… I doubt Clark’s 921,000 votes will be exceeded.

  43. Matt Cholko

    ww.lpnova.orgas going to make a donation in excess of $10,000 to a libertarian organization I’d probably send it to Wes too. There is nobody I trust more than him to make good use of it. His PACs are helping candidates with basic marketing materials, which, IMO, are the second most important tool with which LP campaigns further the liberty movement. The first being a good message.

    As for why an Obama “bundler” is writing checks to libertarian causes…. I don’t know and I don’t care. Let us hope more of them do the same.

  44. Kevin Knedler

    I expect Mr. Wayne Allyn Root to issue his displeasure in the behavior of the GOP in its attempt to deny the 1st amendment freedoms of voting for the candidate of ones choice. We lose our first amendment, we best have the second amendment ready to go. KJK

  45. Kevin Knedler

    Hey #51. ARe you kidding? We had the GOP in total control most of the time from 1995 thru 2008. Houses of Congress and POTUS. And how did that work out. The debt doubled in the the period of 1998 thru 2006. What will happen if we have total one party rule again by the GOP? Debt? more lose of freedoms. Lost of the first amendment? Look at what the GOP is doing to the LP state affilates NOW you bozo .

  46. Mark Axinn

    Starchild @ 41.

    As a fellow member of the libertarian wing of the Libertarian Party, I must disagree with a tactic to deny opposing voices from having a place at the table.

    Just as it was wrong to try deny Lee and Angela a right to be on the LNC, the same holds true for Wayne and Scott.

    Since when did we start insisting that only people who score 100/100 on the Nolan chart are Libertarians?

  47. Matt Cholko

    Mark @62- I think Starchild was just encouraging someone to join the party and push it in the direction they think best. Isn’t that what we all are supposed to be doing?

  48. Mark Axinn

    Matt @63.

    I hope you are correct.

    I am tired of Libertarians eating their own.

    The Bolsheviks had their purists too.

  49. Mike Blessing

    Mark @ 62 –

    I’m not insisting on that 100 / 100 score – I wasn’t there myself when I joined the LP.

    We never before had anyone on the national-level team going around stumping for the opposition’s candidates during a presidential campaign while identifying themselves as part of our national-level team.

    Like I said in the original message – what would you think of a marketing VP from Pepsi who went on TV, said “I’m from Pepsi” and proceeded to make pitches for Coke and Shasta?

    I don’t know if Root has seen this thread or my original message that went to all of the LNC, including him. If he has, he doesn’t seem to care in the slightest what the anyone else in the LP thinks of this series of events.

    Before anyone starts any sort of motions or proceedings against him at the LNC level, I’d like to see or hear his side of it.

  50. Kevin Knedler

    My fellow state chair from New York is correct on this one. I too tire of eating our own. It is the job of a LEADER to make sure we have the right people in the right positions to make the most positive impact for the LP and to move us ahead. I hardly talk LP philosphy in the Ohio LP– no time. I expect the team to deliver RESULTS. I could care less if the person is radical or pragmatic as long as we are rowing in same direction, work together, and fill the requirements of the job that has been presented. Leadership involves scouting for talent and at times being a “Dr. Phil” for some of the members– LOL.

  51. Mike Blessing

    So when the Ron Paul Republicans and RLCers who are pissed-off at being told “Go sit in the corner and shut up – And you BETTER be there when we need you” by Priebus & Co on behalf of Romney come to the LP, and they ask us why our LNCC guy is talking up Romney and Ryan, what are we supposed to say?

    A. “We’re idiots.”
    B. “We’re suckers.”
    C. “We like this – it’s a good plan.”

    The answer I’ll give isn’t any of those choices.

    If my Central Committee caught me going around stumping for Romney and Ryan while presenting myself as an official of the LPNM, I would expect them to remove me from the position ASAP.

    I don’t talk much philosophy at our meetings either – I don’t have to much.

  52. Mark Axinn

    Mike @65 and others.

    I may have stated my point too strongly, but it boils down to this.

    If the Party is to grow, then it needs to include Republicans-lite and hard-core libertarians like me.

    I just ran a petition drive with 25,000 signatures for candidates I did not support going into the Convention. Lee Wrights better reflected my personal views, but Gary Johnson is the candidate of the LP so he is the man for all of us to support without qualification.

    If people spent half as much energy working to grow the Party as we do attacking each other, we might get somewhere.

  53. Matt Cholko

    I agree with all of you. We shouldn’t be “eating our own” or insisting on 100/100 scores from anyone. However, we should expect our leadership team to act in the best interests of our organization. It is pretty clear that campaigning for our opposition is not in the best interests of our party.

  54. Kevin Knedler

    @ 70
    I agree with you too.
    So has anyone passed out that I made those statements–LOL.

  55. Matt Cholko

    I also agree with Paulie that trying to remove WAR at this point is a waste of time. Lets just note vote for him in 2014 if we don’t want him in the position.

  56. Matt Cholko

    I may pass out soon, but it’ll probably be from the beer I am drinking while enjoying this beautiful Virginia evening on my balcony. I am drowning my sorrows over the bad news about our presidential petition. ;-)

  57. Kevin Knedler

    And Ohio is being challenged by the bullies in the GOP. I am drinking a soda from Wendy’s, while eating a creme wafer cookie. I gave up heavy drinking back in the early 80’s.

  58. Mike Blessing

    Mark / Kevin –

    I’ve been told that I’m one of the harder-core libertarians in the LPNM, and I don’t disown that.

    Still, when Gary jumped over to us on 28 December, I was there at the Roundhouse in Santa Fe with Mark Hinkle to greet him. And we did greet him – enthusiastically.

    A few weeks ago, Tom Mahon and I were there for his speech to the ABQ Hispano Chamber of Commerce and tossed him a few softball questions. While I’m not thrilled about this whole “Fair Tax” bit, Gary is at least pushing in the same direction we are.

    We’ve got another event planned for Gary at UNM here in ABQ (17 Sept).

    In contrast, Mr. LNCC Wayne Root is working against the Johnson campaign by stumping for Romney and Ryan.

  59. Matt Cholko

    They’re challenging in every battleground state apparently, as well as some others. Pretty damn sad. It is equivalent to Walmart burning down mom-and-pop stores in towns where their sales are lagging. If Walmart pulled it one time the whole country would be outraged. But Ds and Rs do it all the time and few people even care.

  60. Mark Hilgenberg

    Mike @65

    I agree, we don’t need to insist on supporters who are 100/100 but I do feel if you are a leader, especially a national leader you need to promote candidates who are at least 70 on both sides, not 20 like Root does.

  61. Oliver Claypool

    It is troubling that he seems to have his own agenda, but discussing it is a distraction. Let’s focus on the principles we stand on and be a party of inclusion despite others straying from the cause.

  62. Thomas L. Knapp

    Mike @ 65,

    “We never before had anyone on the national-level team going around stumping for the opposition’s candidates during a presidential campaign while identifying themselves as part of our national-level team.”

    Bullshit. In December of 2007, the LNC unanimously endorsed a Republican candidate (Ron Paul), and several LNC members donated money to that Republican’s campaign.

  63. Mark Axinn

    Mike @ 76.

    Great. Gary will be here in NYC on Sept. 6 and 18 and I am taking Judge Gray to a Marijuana Policy Project fundraiser on the 19th.

    This is a terrific ticket that ALL Libertarians should support.

    All the best from the East Coast.

  64. Revfatsax

    Maybe we can ask Root to ask his GOP buddies to lay off the bogus lawsuits against our ballot access…I mean, this is not what our “kissing cousins” should be focused on, right?

  65. Mark Hilgenberg

    What many of the defenders are missing is Root is promoting and supporting people who are not even in the top HALF of the Nolan chart.

    Obama scores higher than his “hero”, higher than Palin and higher than Rubio!

    Here is a repost of the facts.

    Let’s look at Wayne Roots dream team. If these are his idea of “libertarian learning, we are in trouble.

    In a post re: Palin here is what he said. “P.S. Do you also dislike Mark Sanford and think him “the opposition?”

    Because he’s a hero of mine.

    How about a less clear example- NJ Gov Chris Christie who differs from me on
    several issues…we don’t always agree…yet he’s my favorite Gov in USA.
    Overall he is a breath of fresh air in politics.

    But I’ll bet you’ll tell me he’s no Libertarian, right?

    so how come I got a brochure from CATO today and Chris Christie is on the cover
    (actually he is the cover)…accepting a CATO/Milton Friedman award for freedom?

    How come he was keynote speaker at big CATO dinner?

    There is a disconnect in this party.

    This is textbook “damn the good…we demand the perfect or we’d rather have
    complete failure and move backwards.”

    Yes I like Sarah Palin and Mark Sanford and Jeff Flake and Jim DeMint and Chris
    Christie and Rand and Ron Paul.”

    I used the Vote Match section which has a Nolan Chart breakdown. Here are the
    results.

    Palin 20/100 Social 60/100 Economic

    Christie 40/100 – 50/100

    Sanford 30/100 – 60/100

    Flake 30/100 – 90/100

    Demint 0/100 – 100/100

    Here are some Tea Party heros.

    Rand Paul 60/100 – 80/100

    Mike Lee 30/100 – 80/100

    Chaffetz 20/100 – 70/100

    Rubio 10/100 – 70/100

    Bachman 20/100 – 90/100

    For fun.

    Obama 80/100 – 20/100

    Romney 10/100 – 70/100

    Ron Paul 70/100 – 80/100

    Gary Johnson 90/100 – 80/100

    http://www.ontheissues.org/​default.htm

  66. Mike Blessing

    @82 –

    Maybe we can ask Root to ask his GOP buddies to lay off the bogus lawsuits against our ballot access

    I think it’s incumbent on Root to provide documentation of his lobbying towards the GOP on this issue.

  67. Jared King

    First time poster here, long time reader of IPR, very much anti-Root, pro-John Jay Myers and Jill Pyeatt. I feel I should share a post from W.A.R. from his Facebook page.

    “ROOT (he always signs his posts for some reason): When Romney said in speech on Thursday that “Obama has thrown Israel under the bus” Mitt knew something we didn’t. Obama has decided to abandon Israel- as I predicted from day one. But doing it BEFORE the election is something even I
    never imagined. Obama just lost a large percentage of the Jewish vote. A reckless and disastrous decision:
    http://www.debka.com/article/22324/US-disowns-Israel-over-Iran-strike-No-weapons-or-military-backup

    Basically the article says the U.S. military won’t help Israel do a pre-emptive strike on Iran. He followed up with two other posts whining on how Obama “abandoned Israel”. Is he saying he would support going to war with Iran? Party of princible, hardy har.

    How is it infringing anyone’s free speech to suspend a leading member of a private party that promotes an opposing party, give no mention of his own party he’s SUPPOSED to be representing, and makes us all look like racist lites with his brither-lite nonsense? I’m a big time Johnson supporter a registered independent, and refuse to fully join the LP until some discipline is enacted against those that act like fools. I’m a nobody, and I’m convinced I’ve gained more votes for Johnson than Root, by spreading the word to friends. My two cents.

  68. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Thanks, Jared. I always get a lot of negative for posting an article like this and it’s nice to have some approval sometimes.

  69. Kevin Knedler

    OBTW: The thugs that wanted to remove Gary Johnson from ballot in Ohio, just backed down.
    LPO takes yet another punch.

  70. Matt Cholko

    I am glad to hear that KK. As you know, I am in Virginia where our petition is being challenged as well. We just received word of it on Friday. As much as hearing about the frivilous challenges of the Ds and Rs has upset me in the past, the fact that they have now done so here, in my state, on a petition drive to which I contributed some (however little it may be) signatures and financial support, has sent my disdain for the GOP to a much higher level.

  71. Kevin Knedler

    We need to keep pressing on this Matt. The GOP is doing a great job at guaranteeing that some people will never ever vote again for a Republican in their lifetime. NOTHING is more sacred than the Bill of Rights and the 1st one is the 1st for a darn good reason. Even a Republican should understand that–but many of them don’t.

  72. Eric Sundwall

    @80 The LNC did not “endorse” Dr. Paul in 2007. They invited him to seek the nomination.

    I was not at the meeting, nor was it discussed prior, but I was against the idea on practical grounds. It conceded failure of RP prior to any GOP primary or caucus. This was initiated by Barr and should have been a good indication of his political wrongheadedness.

    I would not have been given a vote as an alternate, but was opposed upon hearing it. As acknowledged by Chuck Moulton at the time;

    “Recruiting a candidate is very different from nominating or endorsing a candidate. All we can do is invite people to seek our nomination. It is up to the delegates to pick the best candidate and nominate that person.”

    The greater problem was the use of LNC resources (BallotBase) given to supporters to monkey around with results in NH.

  73. paulie

    LNC doesn’t need to have formal charges to band together and put out a public statement of dissapproval of his actions and words.

    I don’t believe the votes are there for censure either, and having no enforcement ability censure would not stop Wayne from continuing to do what he does. I can guarantee it will ensure that the LNC does little else …although that may well be the case no matter what.

  74. paulie

    What’s the deal with Joe Liemandt, he’s a big Obama bundler who also gives some cash to the LP or related organizations.

    Dunno. Motivated by socially liberal/civil liberties issues? Wants to split Republican vote? Both?

  75. paulie

    He has a right to support whomever he wants and show that support in an appropriate way.

    As a member of LP leadership there are fiduciary resposibilities.

    Johnson is uninspiring, bland, and comes off as arrogant.

    I get exactly the opposite sense on all that,

    Plus, lets be realistic: People who vote for Johnson are essentially voting to reelect Obama.

    Nonsense. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. A vote for either Obama or Romney is a vote for more of the same, but deeper faster and harder.

    it’s better to have Romney then to risk another four years of obama

    It is no better to have Romney.

  76. paulie

    You have to wonder what Wayne is going to do when he finds out the new republican platform advocates outlawing internet gambling. I seem to recall that was one of his favorite themes.

    Interesting question. Maybe I’ll ask him or maybe you can.

  77. paulie

    doubt that Ed Clark’s record is in jeopardy. If the ticket is bounced from OK, OH and PA and a stand in with the same name used in MI… I doubt Clark’s 921,000 votes will be exceeded.

    The frivolous OH challenge has already been dismissed and MI is also frivolous. OK and PA are still in question, but it is possible (although far from certain) that Johnson could set a record without them.

  78. paulie

    In December of 2007, the LNC unanimously endorsed a Republican candidate (Ron Paul), and several LNC members donated money to that Republican’s campaign.

    The LNC invited Ron Paul to seek the LP nomination, and individual members contributed to his run for the Republican nomination as a way to express their preference in that contest. He was not at that point a Republican candidate in a general election against a Libertarian candidate, nor was he likely to become one.

  79. paulie

    Maybe we can ask Root to ask his GOP buddies to lay off the bogus lawsuits against our ballot access…I mean, this is not what our “kissing cousins” should be focused on, right?

    Good point.

  80. Kevin Knedler

    GJ will set a record. At least in Ohio there will be a record. It is also because we have been building a grass-roots group of local affiliates for the past 5 years. We have many more boots on the ground doing outreach at local level. That, combined with a highly structured state-level party means we can act more quickly, take advantage of opportunities, and show more initiative.

  81. paulie

    Another example of how anonymous comments are a hidey-hole for besmirching real-live-breathing humans.

    The most likely discipline will be the 2014 election. We’ll need all the help we can get from anyone who can become a delegate to the national convention. If you want the LP to move in the direction you want it to move in, it might just hinge on your willingness to help steer it that way – or not.

  82. Thane Eichenauer

    @100
    I have yet to attend a national LP convention but I have plenty of political and personal friends who do. I may not be doing much (National LP) hands on steering from my vantage point here in Phoenix, Arizona but I do my bit to dog those who need dogging and to cheer those who deserve cheering. :)

  83. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    George–I’m not so sure Gary’s much of a fan of Root’s at this time. It’s got to be embarrassing and infuriating to him for Root to be so public about his man-crush on Romney.

  84. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    You have to wonder what Wayne is going to do when he finds out the new republican platform advocates outlawing internet gambling.

    Nothing.

    Root is about what’s good for Root, not about any principles, internet gambling included.

    Right now Root’s trying to shift his career from gambling advice to political punditry.

    This means that if Obama disses Vegas, Root will explode with anger. And if Obama praises Vegas, Root will explode with anger (he’ll find some spin to bash Obama no matter what Obama says).

    But if the GOP disses gambling during an “election that’s too important to lose,” Root will praise the GOP lavishly and loudly, then maybe issue a tiny — but friendly — disagreement on that one issue.

  85. Ogle's Teeth Are Even More Awesome

    I wish Root would join US Parliament. That would be a good outlet for his energy.

  86. Thane Eichenauer

    RTAA@108,
    “This means that if Obama disses Vegas, Root will explode with anger.”

    Can’t Mr. Root be pilloried for what he has done rather than what you _say_ he will do?

  87. langa

    In December of 2007, the LNC unanimously endorsed a Republican candidate (Ron Paul), and several LNC members donated money to that Republican’s campaign.

    As I see it, the problem is not that Root is endorsing a candidate from another party, but rather, that he’s endorsing a non-libertarian candidate. If he were endorsing a candidate who was philosophically libertarian, but happened to be running as a Republican (or a Democrat), I wouldn’t have a problem with it. After all, the goal of the LP is (or at least should be) to move the world in a libertarian direction, not to win some silly “us vs. them” pissing match with another party.

  88. Thomas L. Knapp

    langa,

    “If he were endorsing a candidate who was philosophically libertarian, but happened to be running as a Republican (or a Democrat), I wouldn’t have a problem with it.”

    Board members of an organization have a fiduciary duty to support that organization, not organizations competing against that organization.

    Period.

    It’s not a libertarian thing, it’s a basic rule of organizations.

    The kicker for the Oakland Raiders can’t also be the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys.

    The VP of Sales for Coca-Cola can’t moonlight doing commercials for Pepsi-Cola.

    A cardinal in the Holy Roman Catholic Church cannot also be youth pastor at First Freewill Baptist.

    It’s just that simple.

  89. langa

    Board members of an organization have a fiduciary duty to support that organization, not organizations competing against that organization.

    The Cowboys and the Raiders have different goals. So do Coke and Pepsi. Not only are their goals different, but they are also mutually exclusive. In other words, it’s a zero sum game.

    As for churches, in the area where I grew up, there were many small churches that only held services once a month, rather than once a week. It was not at all uncommon for the same preacher to serve as pastor of more than one of these churches at once. There was no conflict of interest, because the churches all shared the same goal.

    If people are working for the same goal, then they are not “competing” with one another, which is why none of your analogies apply.

  90. Jill Pyeatt

    Langa, you seem to believe that the LP and the Republican party have the same goals. I do not believe they do have the same goals AT ALL.

  91. Jill Pyeatt

    On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Ed Kless wrote [in an email sent to Geoff Neale and numerous other members of the LNC]:
    >
    >> To Leadership of the National Libertarian Party:
    >>
    >> I hereby formally request that the other members of the National Committee ask for Wayne Allyn Root’s immediate resignation from the Committee. Should he refuse, I ask that you call a special meeting of the executive committee for the purposes of suspending Mr. Root from the committee as per Article 8, section 5 of the By-laws and Rules of the National Libertarian Party.
    >>
    >> I believe he is welcome to remain a party member but his endorsement and continued commitment to Governor Romney’s campaign is inexcusable as committee member and harmful to the both the Gary Johnson campaign and the Libertarian Party at-large.
    >>
    >> If you have any comments or questions, please feel free to email or call me.
    >>
    >> In Liberty,
    >> Ed Kless
    >> Libertarian Nominee for Texas Senate ? District 8
    >> +1 972 836 9972

  92. Oranje Mike

    @116

    This is what I like to read. I have made the decision to never send another dime to the national party or renew my membership until Root is removed. I will save my hard earned money for my local and state party.

  93. langa

    Jill, I definitely DO NOT believe that. If you go back to my original comment (@111), you’ll notice that I was only referring to candidates who are philosophically libertarian, which only applies to a tiny minority of Republicans (e.g. Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson back when he was running for the GOP nomination). I see no problem with the LP supporting those “small l” type candidates.

  94. George Phillies

    @114 Traveling pastors and circuit judges are hardly unknown. However, the pastor does not advocate as an evangelical Christian one week, and as a speaker for She Who Is, the Five Goddesses Who Are One, the next. Serving two contradictory masters is unacceptable.

    Similarly, supporting the Mitt Romney is directly contradictory to the Libertarian Party, in that our state parties all have a Libertarian Party Presidential candidate that they have at least tried to put on the ballot.

    Furthermore, supporting Mitt Romney and the Republican Party of War Crimes and torture, the Party that turned the NSA into the American Geheimnes Staatspolizei that spies on every phone call in America, the party the plots to murder our daughters by outlawing abortion even in cases of rape and incest, the Party that continues the racist war on drugs, is to work against our party’s finest political stands.

    Republicans are the opposite of Libertarians.

  95. langa

    George, I agree that supporting Romney is incompatible with libertarianism, and I never said otherwise. However, it is a gross oversimplification to equate support for any Republican whatsoever with support for Romney, based on the silly assumption that all Republicans are some sort of Romney clones, who agree with him on every issue. That is obviously false.

  96. Kevin Knedler

    Langa, get your facts straight. THe GOP and the LP do NOT have the same goals. Goodness.
    Lots of people joining the LP that are former Democrats, independents, or had just given up on voting. GOP will cut taxes for rich but not cut the spending. And how is your GOP working out in regards to first amendment freedoms when they try to deny voters the opportunity to vote for alternative candidates. They are attacking multiple states. If Pepsi or Coke did this to 7-Up or RC Cola, some lawsuits would be filed for anti-trust. Goodness.

  97. langa

    THe GOP and the LP do NOT have the same goals.

    Show me one place where I ever said they did.

    And what’s this talk about “my” GOP? I have never been a member of the GOP, nor have I ever contributed a single cent to the GOP, nor have I ever voted for a GOP candidate, with the exception of Ron Paul in the 2008 primary. (Sadly, I voted for the LP candidate, Barr, in the general election).

    If you go back and read my comments carefully, you’ll see that I was specifically talking about the extremely small number of people who are philosophically libertarian, but for whatever reason, they happen to be running as Republicans. I have never claimed that a majority of Republicans, or even a significant minority of Republicans were on “our” side.

    But just to be clear, since so many of you seem to have major problems with reading comprehension, I’ll spell it out for you very clearly.

    99% of all Republicans are nowhere close to being libertarians. They are the enemies of freedom, just as much as the Democrats or any other party.

    However, there are currently a small number of people in the Republican Party who are, in fact, philosophically libertarian, or at least, libertarian-leaning. If supporting these “small l” libertarians can help to advance the goals of peace and/or freedom, then I absolutely believe that the LP should support them, regardless of whether they are technically LP members.

  98. NewFederalist

    “However, there are currently a small number of people in the Republican Party who are, in fact, philosophically libertarian, or at least, libertarian-leaning. If supporting these “small l” libertarians can help to advance the goals of peace and/or freedom, then I absolutely believe that the LP should support them, regardless of whether they are technically LP members.”

    Even if I agreed with this statement I sure don’t know how or who would police it. The LNC with people like Root on it? I understand your point but I just don’t see how it can work.

  99. langa

    NF, I probably should have been a little more clear when I said the LP should “support” them. I wasn’t really referring to providing financial support, or even formal endorsements. What I really meant was that I don’t have a problem with individual LP members, even those in leadership positions, saying nice things about candidates from other parties, or even giving their own personal endorsement to them, as long as those candidates are philosophical libertarians.

    Contrast this to Root’s endorsement of Romney, who is not even close to being a philosophical libertarian. Root, as a member of the LNC, clearly should not be doing that, and I would not object to him being stripped of his position on the LNC because of it. However, that’s not the same thing as someone on the LNC endorsing a philosophical libertarian who happens to be a Republican, like Ron Paul.

    Knapp suggested that those two scenarios were functionally equivalent, I disagreed, and somehow, my disagreement got interpreted as a call for the LP to give a blanket endorsement to all GOP candidates, including Romney, which is about as far from my actual position as you could possibly get.

  100. Thomas L. Knapp

    langa@122,

    “However, there are currently a small number of people in the Republican Party who are, in fact, philosophically libertarian, or at least, libertarian-leaning. If supporting these ‘small l’ libertarians can help to advance the goals of peace and/or freedom, then I absolutely believe that the LP should support them, regardless of whether they are technically LP members.”

    But that’s the thing.

    The LP was formed, and continues to operate, precisely on the premise that advancing the goals of peace/freedom required/requires a new party — that supporting Republicans (or Democrats, or whatever) doesn’t and can’t advance the goals of peace or freedom.

    Once the LP came into existence with nominating and electing candidates to political office, it became the Oakland Raiders to the GOP’s Dallas Cowboys and the Dems’ Pittsburgh Steelrs. It’s a zero-sum game — if one party’s candidates win, the other parties’ candidates lose. It’s a competition, and when it comes to the player/management end of things, you’re on one team or you’re on the other (fans, of course, are free to cheer for whomever they like).

  101. JT

    I agree with Langa.

    Knapp: “The LP was formed, and continues to operate, precisely on the premise that advancing the goals of peace/freedom required/requires a new party — that supporting Republicans (or Democrats, or whatever) doesn’t and can’t advance the goals of peace or freedom.”

    Why is that the case? Because Republican candidates & Democratic candidates aren’t in any meaningful sense libertarians–*with very few exceptions*

    Langa is saying that in those exceptional cases–which account for far less than 1% of the candidates of either party–it’s acceptable to support the libertarian candidate. I agree.

    That doesn’t mean that a separate party that offers many libertarian candidates isn’t needed. The LP is still needed to provide a libertarian alternative in the vast majority of other races in which neither the Republican nor Democratic candidate wants to substantially reduce the size and scope of government both economically & socially.

  102. langa

    It’s a zero-sum game — if one party’s candidates win, the other parties’ candidates lose.

    Where we disagree is with regard to the ultimate goal of the LP. I don’t think that the ultimate goal of the LP (or of any 3rd party) should be to win elections. Rather, I think the primary goal should be to use elections as an avenue to educating and converting the masses. Of course, if you do that successfully, eventually you will start to win elections, but by then, it won’t matter. You will have already “won” in the larger sense.

    To use your football analogy, I see winning elections as analogous to performing an endzone dance after scoring a touchdown, as opposed to actually scoring the touchdown itself. But the way that you score that touchdown is by slowly marching down the field (i.e. by gradually opening the eyes of the voters). That battle is far more important than the results of any particular election.

  103. Thomas L. Knapp

    langa @128,

    “Where we disagree is with regard to the ultimate goal of the LP.”

    It’s not about what we agree or disagree on.

    It’s not about what you or I think is the most efficacious road to liberty.

    The LP is an organization, with rules, which operates in a context. As an organization, it sets its own purposes, and those are its purposes whether you like it or I like it or not.

    Those purposes are:

    “The Party is organized to implement and give voice to the principles embodied in the Statement
    of Principles by: functioning as a libertarian political entity separate and distinct from all other political parties or movements; moving public policy in a libertarian direction by building a political party that elects Libertarians to public office; chartering affiliate parties throughout the United States and promoting their growth and activities; nominating candidates for President and VicePresident of the United States, and supporting Party and affiliate party candidates for political office; and, entering into public information activities.”

    A member of the LP’s board, the LNC, has a fiduciary duty to uphold, rather than work in opposition to, those purposes.

    It’s entirely reasonable to think that the approach dictated by those purposes isn’t the best approach, or even that it’s FUBAR, and that maybe “good candidates” in other parties are worthy of support. But if you think that and intend to act on it, the appropriate course of action is to not stand for election to a position which requires you to not act on it.

  104. Constitution First Commitee

    Hopefully Congressman Goode will follow-up on this confab with Sheriff Joe and issue a statement on the eligibility and identity of the current White House resident.

  105. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    CFC @ 130: Nothing’s ever going to come of the birther thing. There are plenty of other things about Obama to make a fuss about, such as not closing Guantanamo as he said he would. Really–let the birther thing go.

  106. Constitution First Commitee

    @130 – Wrong thread.

    @131 — You should let go of your Communist-style namecalling.

    I certainly will not let go of the US Constitution — I’ll cling it to that as well as my guns despite what Communists such as Obama might say.

    No one who runs around calling themselves libertarian should “let go” of foreign Communist usurpation of America. In that aspect, Wayne Root is apparently far more libertarian than you are.

  107. Thane Eichenauer

    @133
    That would be an irrational reason IMO. I don’t understand why Johnson would back Root in the first place and I certainly don’t understand why Johnson would back Root a second time. Johnson seems much to rational (to me) to renew his support for any other reason. But then again…

    Fair Tax.

    Hmmmmph.

  108. paulie

    He backed Root the first time because he thought it would be better to have Wayne “inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in”….that has not worked so my guess is Johnson will not back him again.

  109. Ayn R. Key

    I believe that Barr initiated the 2007 invite in order to force Paul’s hand. If Paul had accepted the invite it would have ended his GOP bid. But Paul’s rejection would clear the path for Barr to seek the nomination.

    It wasn’t because Barr wanted Paul to have the nomination that Barr made the invite.

  110. Ayn R. Key

    Nothing solid. Sorry. It is my belief.

    But the timing of the invite fits perfectly. He forced Paul to affirm he wasn’t going to change parties in order to stay in the GOP primary.

  111. Thomas L. Knapp

    Ayn @ 143,

    While I suppose that that could have been Barr’s motive, it doesn’t seem that it would have been either necessary or sufficient.

    Not necessary, because he had already had the question put to him multiple times in the press and had denied any intention of switching parties, even going so far as saying on Meet the Press (quote as close as I can remember) “the Libertarians nominated me in 1988, but I have always been a Republican.”

    Not sufficient, because the media doesn’t give a rat’s ass, nor is it likely to pay any significant attention to, what the LNC says or does.

  112. Robert Capozzi

    143 ayn, it’s interesting to me that you have a belief based on such sketchy information. It’s also interesting that you find sharing such a speculative belief to be worthy of sharing it.

    I’d love to hear why you feel the need to speculate in such a manner generally, and specifically in public. Tell us more!

    As I recall, it was unanimous on the LNC to solicit Paul to come back to the LP. I don’t recall that Barr has THAT much sway, but if it’s REALLY that important to you, you might ask someone who was on the LNC at the time.

    My concern is that you seem to harbor a conspiracy theory here, one that seems pretty irrelevant to just about everything in the here and now. Still, being open minded, there may well be a value in your conjecture. What might it be?

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  114. Stephen VanDyke - HAMMER OF TRUTH

    @137

    He backed Root the first time because he thought it would be better to have Wayne “inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in”….that has not worked so my guess is Johnson will not back him again.

    Bears repeating. I’m also waiting to see where the LNCC is going to be or do anything other than post news articles this election before I can definitively say he’s toast in keeping his spot on the LNC.

  115. Joe Buchman

    Governor Johnson’s response to Root’s latest pro-Israel crazy ass anti-libertarian rant —

    >>>>>>>>>>

    Gov. Gary Johnson will attend a panel for the American Muslim Alliance on Wednesday, September 5th at 12:30 pm EDT.

    The panel will discuss the National Defense Authorization Act, among other topics. In addition to Gov. Johnson, other participants include Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rep. Dennis Kucinich. The panel will take place at the Blake Hotel, located at 555 South McDowell Street in Charlotte, South Carolina.

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    or maybe it's just coincidence.

    Or maybe one of these guys is Principled, and the other just panders.

  116. paulie

    Gary Johnson’s man on the LNC

    Far from it. Johnson’s reluctant endorsement was, I think he realizes by now, not something he would repeat, given that it has not produced the results he hoped for.

  117. paulie

    I believe that Barr initiated the 2007 invite in order to force Paul’s hand. If Paul had accepted the invite it would have ended his GOP bid. But Paul’s rejection would clear the path for Barr to seek the nomination.

    I don’t think so. I think it was more a case of responding to a barrage of questions and comments about why the LP isn’t running Ron Paul or backing Ron Paul (or suggestions that it should).

  118. George Whitfield

    Kevin Knedler, I am impressed by your efforts in Ohio. And langa, I understand what you are saying and agree. And Thomas Knapp, I am glad that you have renewed interest in the Libertarian Party. And as for Wayne Alyn, I hope I can get to the next National Convention so I can vote against you serving on the National Committee.

  119. paulie

    Thomas Knapp, I am glad that you have renewed interest in the Libertarian Party.

    Missed this

    a pox on all political parties

    Indeed, what can be more anti-libertarian than a political party? Geesh.

    I disagree. LP allows supporters of liberty to band together and further the message through the political process (which provides unique opportunities to shape awareness and influence policy), and the libertarian brand on the ballot allows voters to identify liberty candidates.

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