Judge Jim Gray of California Wins Vice Presidential Nomination of the Libertarian Party

Judge Jim Gray: 357 votes, 59.5%

Lee Wrights 229 votes, 38.167%

Jim Burns 6 votes, 1%

NOTA 7 votes, 1.6%

On the first ballot, Judge Jim Gray of California wins the vice presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party in 2012. Gray thanks Wrights for being a gentleman and said he looked forward to debating Biden.

60 thoughts on “Judge Jim Gray of California Wins Vice Presidential Nomination of the Libertarian Party

  1. AnthonyD

    An ex-governor and a judge. That’s not half bad.

    Let’s get this fight on.

  2. Raider Duck

    As a Progressive Libertarian, I would be closer philosophically to Obama than Romney (as the GOP has become a bizarre theocratic cult), but Obama’s embrace of the PATRIOT ACT and foreign wars prevents me from voting for him.

    Johnson/Gray all the way! With luck, Johnson could finally break the 1% LP barrier.

  3. NewFederalist

    “With luck, Johnson could finally break the 1% LP barrier.”

    Too late… Ed Clark did that in 1980.

  4. Ron Paul

    The Libertarian Party should make it the #1 priority to “own” certain issues.

    I think that they should “own” the Medical Marijuana issue. Yes, it’s true that the LP supports an end to the entire War on Drugs and that’s a great goal for some future date.

    In the meantime, the Obama administration has allowed its U.S. Attorneys to wage an all-out legal assault on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries. These are the small businesses that provide Cancer, MS, and chronic pain patients with their medicine. And our “progressive” president is acting as if executing raids using federal law enforcement against them is somehow compassionate or liberal.

    What the heck, Professor Obama?

    Obviously, Mitt Romney–a devout adherent of his tee-totaling faith–will be no better on this issue.

    But you know who’s better on this issue? The American People ™. There’s 70%+ approval for medical marijuana.

    Hey, Libertarian Party: Here’s your opportunity. Stand with our suffering, our miserable, our dying, our weakest. And Americans, many of them, anyway, will stand with you.

    Gary Johnson should appear at an outdoor press conference with a cancer sufferer, a glaucoma patient, and an AIDS victim. Maybe include someone with MS (like Ann Romney). And, as an act of civil disobedience, they should pass a joint.

    Other issues that the Libertarian Party can “own:”

    + School Choice
    + Legalization of victimless crimes (and use the taxes to improve our fiscal outlook)

  5. AnthonyD

    I gotta tell ya, I just watched Judge Gray’s speech prior to his nomination as the V.P. candidate, and I actually think he is a better speaker than Jonhson. His was the speech of the convention (that I saw.)

    Not that I would reverse the ticket, mind you.

  6. Jed Siple

    I could’ve swore I heard at least one write-in vote being tabulated for Sam Sloan. Perhaps all write-ins were lumped in with NOTA?

  7. Trent Hill Post author

    Definitely the strongest overall (judging by political experience) third party ticket since Perot.

  8. Looosertarian-R-Me-Phillies

    “Who am I and WHY am I here “? Adm. Stockdale

    Hopefully the Judge won’t be having any senior moments on national TV.

    How did Phillies do ??? Did he finally win one? John Jay and his “squirky” personality finally won, what about Phillies and his entire squirkyhood !!!!! ?

  9. Jake Zychick

    I believe that this is the best LP ticket in recent memory, especially better than Barr/Root in 2008. There are three factors that could help GJ garner over 1 million votes.

    1) A significant amount of Ron Paul supporters join his campaign. I think he will get a chunk of them in specific states, but I don’t see him gaining a tremendous amount. If I was GJ campaign I would target Paul supporters in the Mountain West states where 3rd Parties tend to do better in Presidential Elections then a national attempt a national sweep of them.

    2) Target the 7-800,000 Nader voters. This can be done by reaching out to Nader himself, targeting specific issues, or by using his list of donors and send them letters. GJ will need a slice of these voters to be garner 1million votes in 2012.

    3) Make sure the college students vote. This is the hardest of the three tasks. Obviously, young adults tend to support the idea of a 3rd party candidate highly. Also, GJ’s issues on the war on drugs and the wars in general allow him a better ability to gain college support than someone like Virgil Goode.

    Good luck Johnson/Gray.

  10. VTGADFLY

    A lot off topic, but Reason is reporting that Mark Rutheford beat out NOTA by just one vote and will replace Hinckle as Chair. Can anyone in attendance confirm this?

  11. George Phillies

    @15 Incorrect. Rutherford 278
    NOTA 277
    Sam Sloan 1

    Rutherford did not have a majority.

    The session Chair, Redpath, then ruled that the one person eliminated by the vote was Sam Sloan, because writeins count, and therefore there is another round between NOTA and Rutherford.

    I have an appeal of the decision of the chair, which was not heard before the meeting adjourned for the day.

    Rutherford’s ruling if sustained destroys our voting system. Readers should undersand that the meeting was very tiring and contentious, and should not blame Bill for what he concluded.

    The issue is as follows.

    Under our procedure,

    if votes are

    A -40
    B-30
    C-20
    D-10

    then D is eliminated, the next round is between A, B, and C,

    A-40
    B-35
    C-25

    and this time C is eliminated and A and B have it out.

    Under the Redpath ruling, one person casting a writein vote jams the whole process, namely

    A 40
    B 30
    C 20
    D 10
    writein 1

    And writein is “eliminated”, so the next round is between A, B, C, and D, but on the next round

    A 40
    B 30
    C 20
    D 10
    writein#2 – 1, THIS TIME WRITEIN#2

  12. George Phillies

    is eliminated, and the writer-in can go through all 13000 party sustaining members before he runs out of steam.

    The correct ruling was that the writein (Sloan) and the bottom candidate (Rutherford) were both eliminated, NOTA wins, and we start over.

    I ask that readers vigorously circulate the above points to people that they know who are attending the convention.
    Also, several people have claimed to me that on the round in which Hinkle was eliminated, there was also a writein vote, and therefore by consistency Hinkle was not eliminated.

  13. Mark Axinn

    George @17 and 19 is obviously correct.

    I have far more experience than everyone on this list put together with sam Sloan: he is obstinate and incorrigible. He will continue to write himself in for the next 32 rounds.

    The only way to move on is to eliminate both the write-in and lowest vote getter of the nominated candidates.

  14. Alan Pyeatt

    Congratulations to Judge Gray. He is a fine advocate for freedom, and he will be a great VP candidate. Lee Wrights was my first choice, but much like Wrights himself, I accept the will of the delegation and will be happy to do everything I can to get Judge Gray sworn in as the next Vice President of the United States.

    Sour grapes? NOT A CHANCE! Judge Gray is a wonderful choice. I just happen to think that Lee Wrights would have been a great choice, too.

  15. ARC

    It seems rather bizzarre that the top vote-getter should be eliminated as the “bottom candidate”. Seems more logical to treat NOTA as its own candidate, in which case (the write-in being excluded) it would be elimimated.

    A threshold also makes more sense than saying writens don’t count- what if a write-in came in 3rd/last with 23%? It seems like the run-off should be between 1st and 2nd, not elimimating 2nd as the “lowest non writein”.

    In other words something like: all candidates below 5% plus and/or including the last place cand. are eliminated for the next ballot round. NOTA is treated as a candidate for this purpose.

  16. wolfefan

    As an outsider who is sympathetic to many LP causes, I find myself wondering what an LP administration would actually look like in practice. Who would be in the cabinet of the newly elected President Johnson? Would it include any of the people involved in trying to run the current LP? Is it fair to judge how well a party would govern the country by how well it governs itself?

  17. Mark Axinn

    ARC @ 23.

    NOTA is always an option and never eliminated.
    Of course it usually doesn’t do quite so well as it did this afternoon. :)

    For example, much to my chagrin I beat NOTA 41-0 at the LPNY Convention two weeks ago.

    But NOTA sure gets around and keeps on running….

  18. Bylaws Guru

    In 2002 in Colorado the US Senate nomination was contested at their state convention. In the first round the vote was 54-52-19, candidates A, B, and NOTA, respectively. By mistake the convention eliminated NOTA from the second ballot and candidate B went on to win the nomination, was a complete nutcase and loose cannon, and after losing the Senate race, left the LP and eventually wound up in jail for threatening a judge. Nobody realized the error until it was pointed out at the 2003 state convention, and then the state’s resident parliamentarian and bylaws guy was seen smacking himself in the forehead when he realized the mistake. Had they done it right, it would have saved a lot of internal headaches that year, including a censure and almost-removal of that candidate for NAP violations.

    So, yes, NOTA votes matter. Quite a bit, really.

  19. D. Lou Shenol

    Must be something about that CO thin air. In ’08 CO’s Smith goes APE SH&# crazy, this time it’s CO’s Sarwarts (?) who goes camera hog APE SH%& CRAZY !

    If NOTA won why isn’t the office declared vacant ? Before the voting, why was Wrights EXCLUDED from being allowed to participate as a candidate?

    I don’t know either of them, but I know I watched hinkle in action and he didn’t impress me in the least (seemed either stoned, hungover or sleepless in vegas, which you CAN’T be if you are NatChair). We don’t need rutherford if he’s a Root lackey. So NOTA or Wrights would probably be better than Hinkle or Rutherford.

    If you can’t run your Party why should people vote for you to run their country ? If someone is not nominated and THEN 2nd by someone else their VOTES don’t count! They aren’t eligible candidates. I kinda like ole Burns, but don’t think he had the second required to get up on national TV and read a BORING Founders speech calling for armed conflict against the REDCOATS. He and Person were our “crazy uncle” moments to the national audience.

    Someone tell Nick C-SPAN has left the building. He’s OFF camera…..He can go on back to rocky Mtn high………NO MORE primetime for you son…….

  20. Stewart Flood

    Mark Rutherford was eliminated. Dr Phillies is absolutely correct in his interpretation.

    It was a very hectic and contentious floor. Bill Redpath held the gavel under very difficult conditions. He should be commended for keeping the convention in as much control as he was able to hold.

    We start over in the morning. If the ruling of the chair is not overturned, then Rutherford should step down anyway for the good of the party rather than have us vote a third ballot of him against NOTA.

    Winning an office at the cost of torching the convention, rather than stepping down and allowing the delegates to choose a chair who can gain the consensus that Mark Rutherford claimed he was able to get…and after two consecutive ballots is in a virtual tie with NOTA would be a stain on his administration that would last until the 2014 convention.

    And Kevin…sorry buddy…you screwed the pooch. Stating that you will challenge every state’s votes? What were you going to do when it got to South Carolina and you challenged our two votes for NOTA? No F’n way!

    We don’t challenge how you count your ballots, and you sure as heck aren’t going to question our’s. If you made a mistake, suck it up and challenge your own results. Don’t assume that your failure to run a clean election in your delegation means no one else can.

  21. Steve M

    Who ever is responsible for maintaining the Gary Johnson 2012 website needs to get off their duff and update the page to reflect the nomination.

  22. Oranje Mike

    Hinkle went down on the first ballot and Rutherford couldn’t top NOTA. The people are obviously not happy with what is happening within the party. Rutherford should have stepped aside and our fine friends from Ohio should get their act together. Your chair acted like a bully on the mic when the fault was all on him if he can’t get his votes right.

  23. VTGADFLY

    @ 22 hear hear.
    @17, 19: Thanks for the clarification George. I have contacted my delegation to ask them about this and give them your input.

  24. Bruce Cohen

    Not surprising that antisemite Pyatt is thrilled about Judge Gray’s nomination.

    Judge Gray has become a Ron Paul lite clone.

    Of course, Mister Pyatt’s familial relationship with Ron Paul is a semi-secret and a conflict of interest.

  25. Carol Moore

    Steve M // May 6, 2012 at 1:42 am
    Who ever is responsible for maintaining the Gary Johnson 2012 website needs to get off their duff and update the page to reflect the nomination.

    You are correct sir! I don’t see ANY video reports from news stations in News.google. And not even a Youtube video from supporters about the nomination. At least the latter shall be forthcoming. And at least Gary Johnson wasn’t blathering about all the media he’d get; Wayne Root has gotten very little in last month, FYI. Please sweet Jesus I’ll come back to the fold if you boot root…(who’s crossing her fingers?) http://carolmoore.net/libertarianparty/bootroot

  26. ralph

    Sadly. IMVHO a lot of people are unhappy with Rutherford, who I think is a fine fellow, because they blame him for the failure to get a building, his Ron Paul/GOP pragmatist buddies purging ‘purists’ in local parties, and the fiasco of giving $50K to a candidate that lost and led to the convention fee. They remember Hink at one point said our party was purposeless or some silly remark to that effect ( I’ve heard several versions, George Phillies has something in one of his reports I think) ) and feel he was letting the Secretary run wild, destroying state and local affiliates and running smear campaigns on party worthies, and was not fighting to restore the 2004 platforms.

    I’m not saying I agree with any of this (there are always problems, so what? I remember when we had to kick armed self-proclaimed Communists out of local meetings–now THAT was a thrill…) but from people crying on my shoulder the last 4 years it seems to me this has been building up nationwide, and people perceive the attempt to keep activists out with a floor fee as the last straw, and Gray’s ‘philosophy club’ comments didn’t help (Reagan: ‘Politics is a struggle of philoisophies’ especially after Johnson claimed PR is a territory…they remember how LNC deep-sixed the candidate training site…) –and who then have come in with a vengeance (or so it seems, just going by what people are e-mailing me…).

    If we have all-NOTA for officers I’m sure the regionals will straighten it out but I suspect the Convention will end up finding a balance.

    Right now, the nominees are certainly close enough for gummint work: Go Johnson-Gray!

  27. Carol Moore

    I think it’s fine to say LET’S WIN. The problem is when they say Let’s abandon principles and go soft core on issues SO WE CAN WIN…

  28. Jill Pyeatt

    BC @ 33: Judge Gray was not my choice for VP. However, since the LP body voted him in, I’ll graciously accept it and I wish him well.

  29. Stewart Flood

    @35,

    Why no one over 50? What does age have to do with anything? And if it did, wouldn’t it be more prudent to say that anyone under 40 hasn’t been alive long enough to have enough common sense to serve?

    Putting young people in charge just because they are young is insane…

  30. Bruce Cohen

    Miss Productive and ‘gracious’ are not often seen in the same sentence with a straight face.

  31. Carol Moore

    Stewart: Just tweaking the floor fee and the fact LP delegates dominated by over 45 somethings…. While young Ron Paulites busy taking over state republican parties…

  32. Bruce Cohen

    @ C. Moo Re #44:
    Do you mean someone like Julia el Haj, Judge Grey’s Senatorial Campaign Manager? The one who says Jews drink blood in religious ceremonies?

  33. Lake, presenting the next LP VP nominee

    just because Judge Gray [unlike Jerusalem apologist Bruce Cohen] is appalled that the various high seas murders by [so called] IDF thugs are not spot lighted ……….

    like any REAL lib would be ……….

    as a local guy, San Diego County, next to Orange County, whom has been tracking [stocking ???????] Gray for years, I would like Cohen to come up with a direct quote for Ms el Haj.

    Bruce Cohen, the Jewish anti semite ???????????

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  35. Lake, presenting Carole Moore quote

    *personal experience*

    that a few individuals who seek control of the party do so in part because of their Jewish allegiances – and/or their gut level fear of non-Jews, i.e., Bruce Cohen, Aaron Starr, Scott Lieberman (and doubtless some of their closest associates).

    And of course there’s Aaron Biterman – should he return to support Gary Johnson after being kicked out – I mean resigning from – the Republican Liberty Caucus for bashing Ron Paul as an anti semite. *

    And let’s not forget such maniacal former LP activists as Tim Starr, Steven M. Sass and Eric Dondero-Rittberg – who allegedly encouraged Root to run for V.P. in the first place.

    Lake * a term that can be easily construed to relate to any one in the Levant, including, and especially, Palestinians, Samaritans, Mount Heron worshipers, Jacobibites, Ten – Tribers (my term) and Johnathan – Davidian – Solomonic Hebrews [especially New Temple]

  36. Carol Moore

    I think it is sad that Bruce Cohen and a small minority of Jews – some in the LP are so terrified that gentiles are out to get them. I include quotes from such paranoids at http://carolmoore.net/libertarianparty/bootroot Note that radical Zionists only encourage this paranoid to raise money and support for Israel and keep Jews from criticizing their efforts, even when they turn into Bernie Madoffs just ripping off others from the fold.

  37. zapper

    Hello Lake … a friendly FYI:

    The word is “stalking” … not “stocking.”

  38. LibertarianGirl

    Stewart Flood is now one of my favorite people…I dont know if he slept much because he worked his frickin ass off.. I used to believe he favored a certain side , but I now know , have for some time that he has the courage to stand up for convictions and the balls to tell people to their face….he’s a keeper…..

  39. Chuck Moulton

    George Phillies wrote (@17):

    [Redpath]’s ruling if sustained destroys our voting system. Readers should undersand that the meeting was very tiring and contentious, and should not blame Bill for what he concluded.

    George Phillies wrote (@19):

    The correct ruling was that the writein (Sloan) and the bottom candidate (Rutherford) were both eliminated, NOTA wins, and we start over.

    Exactly. The ruling was nuts!

    I don’t blame Bill Redpath for making a bad decision in the heat of the moment. But I do blame him for digging in and continuing that bad decision after a night of sleep and 10 different parliamentarians told him at length he was dead wrong.

  40. Chuck Moulton

    LibertarianGirl wrote (@52):

    Stewart Flood is now one of my favorite people… I dont know if he slept much because he worked his frickin ass off… I used to believe he favored a certain side , but I now know , have for some time that he has the courage to stand up for convictions and the balls to tell people to their face… he’s a keeper…

    Yes, Stewart is a keeper and he’s not factional. Unfortunately he didn’t make it onto this LNC. :(

  41. Brian Holtz

    I thought Redpath’s position was that rather than invest our time completing all the 3.2 challenges to Saturday’s last vote (which might have eliminated Rutherford except he was picking up votes from the challenged delegations), we should restart with nominations re-opened. Saturday’s last vote was never finished because the 3.2 challenges were never finished.

    Restarting with nominations re-opened should have required a suspension of the rules, although I don’t recall whether there was a motion/vote for that. It certainly seemed to be the wish of the body.

  42. Chuck Moulton

    Brian Holtz wrote (@58):

    I thought Redpath’s position was that rather than invest our time completing all the 3.2 challenges to Saturday’s last vote (which might have eliminated Rutherford except he was picking up votes from the challenged delegations), we should restart with nominations re-opened. Saturday’s last vote was never finished because the 3.2 challenges were never finished.

    My recollection is he went for a re-vote on Saturday rather than doing all the challenges. Then when people challenged again after the re-vote, he eventually ruled the challenges dilatory. With no more challenges, he decided to drop the 1 write-in vote rather than drop Rutherford.

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