Wayne Allyn Root Tells Radio Audience to Vote for Romney

Wayne Allyn Root, who is an At-Large Member of the Libertarian National Committee, and Chairman of the Libertarian National Congressional Committee, has this interesting bit of advice today for his listening audience:

http://www.700wlw.com/player/?station=WLW-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=bill_cunningham.xml&mid=21977071

 

Wayne Allyn Root was the 2008 candidate for vice-president for the LP, and is a frequent guest on various  television and radio shows.  He writes columns which are published in several websites, and they are frequently featured here. 

292 thoughts on “Wayne Allyn Root Tells Radio Audience to Vote for Romney

  1. John Jay Myers

    With friends like these who needs enemies, this is just one more reason that I say the more media appearances Wayne touts, the worse off this party is.

  2. Oregon Libertarian

    We are going to bring a rail to the Vegas convention. Ill need some help with lashing Root to the rail and then carrying him out the door. Any volunteers?

  3. Steven Berson

    Absolutely disgusting move and seriously retarded one at that. Romney is a fiscally liberal spender who while might cut back funding for some programs like Medicare but would increase it on others such as military spending, border fence building, and corporate subsidies. All the while Romney would in no way be any better than Obama on civil liberties. Frankly Obama and Romney are to me almost exactly the same – as both are milquetoast corporatists.

    Is there any way delegates at the Convention in May can call for a vote to impeach Root off of the LNC for this bit of complete treason to the LP? Because to me it is completely obvious that he is a Republican infilitrator and not a Libertarian with these remarks.

  4. Corey Moore

    I hate to say it…no, honestly I’ve been waiting to say this for three years:

    I TOLD YOU SO.

    Thanks, Wayne. You’ve justified every bad word every spoken about you.

  5. Paulie

    Jill,

    I haven’t heard the link but

    Wayne Allyn Root, who insists on calling himself a spokesman for the Libertarian Party,

    Wayne has been elected by the delegates to be the VP nominee in 2008 and to be an LNC member in 2010
    and by his state committee as (vice chair? I think) so he is objectively speaking a (but not the) spokesman for the LP.

    Obviously you think that was a mistake, as do many here, but those votes did take place and thus saying he “insists on calling himself” a spokesman for the LP is IMO editorializing beyond what we should be doing in articles here.

    -p

  6. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Paulie, I heard the link on my cell phone.

    Your criticsm of the text is correct. I’ll change it.

  7. Steven Berson

    @ 7 – Hardy – is he up for re-election this cycle? How long is an “at-large” member elected for?

    It’s a given that I would never vote for WAR in any capacity even before this happened – but this move by him completely takes the cake.

  8. John Jay Myers

    There is not a lot of ways of construing this:
    1st he says that in 2016 people will have a good choice (him) but they don’t have one now.
    Then he says exactly this:
    ?”I think the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected,and that means in my mind, I would love for a libertarian like Gary Johnson the two term governor of New Mexico would actually get elected President, but I think we all know that’s not going to happen so therefore it’s got to be Romney there is no choice”

    For Pete’s sake…. there is a choice, there is a real choice. If Gary Johnson wins the nomination, he would be a much much better choice, than Romney. He will be the only choice for me. (If he wins the nomination) and the only person that I would mention publicly as needing to be President in 2012.

    Wayne needs to resign. He doesn’t understand the concept of the Libertarian Party, or why it needs to exist.

    Here I will help him:
    http://www.johnjaymyers.com/styled/

  9. Wayne Root

    Wow I just saw this. Seems certain LP people are as bad as the two parties in grabbing a sentence out of context. And leaving out the meat of the interview. That is not what I said. And you know thats not what I said.

    I said in a perfect world I’d like to see Gary Johnson elected President, he’d be the best choice out there…I also said several times on the call that Mitt Romney is a big spending, big government Northeast liberal…that he will make very little difference because of this…

    And that the difference between Obama and Romney…

    Is that Romney will slow down our path off a cliff just a bit…and Obama will take us off the cliff in a matter of minutes.

    But neither is good enough to save USA from long decline towards mediocrity.

    And that Romney’s victory will most probably prove that neither party can change our problems enough to save the economy…so hopefully it will lead to a serious Libertarian third party threat in 2016…of which I plan to be the Presidential candidate.

    That’s what I said. It’s on tape. Sorry folks but you can’t take things out of context.

    And by the way I do 20 to 30 interviews per week…and write 2 to 3 commentaries per week reaching tens of millions…and they all support FISCAL CONSERVATISM…which is Libertarianism.

    All of them state loudly and clearly that Obama must be stopped for the economy to survive. Obama re-election would be death of U.S. economy- including all of my businesses. My opinion has never changed in the slightest.

    So first things first…I have endorsed one person – Gary Johnson.

    And I state always that the best choice is LP…but if the LP candidate isn’t going to win…then picking someone who isn’t an outright Marxist is certainly better than a Marxist bent on the destruction of businessmen like me…and the redistribution of our income…is a step in the right direction until we can get a true Tea Party Libertarian elected.

    And then I always state that a GOP’s victory will probably prove that the GOP- as usual- will not cut govt or spending or taxes as much as needed…leaving door open for LP in 2016.

    Same story I tell everywhere. Sorry folks, no news story here.

    I am a Libertarian who talks fiscal conservatism and economic freedom… and makes friends with GOP, conservatives, Tea Partiers, right center independents and blue dog Democrats (who are fiscally conservative and support lower taxes).

    And this is exactly how it’s done.

    And it works. Which could be why host Bill Cunningham stated on the show that he wishes I was running for President…he’d do everything in his power to support me. Well since he knows I’d be running as a Libertarian. I’d say I did a great job.

    So until I see any of you convincing famous talk show hosts of either party, with huge followings, to announce on air they’d support a Libertarian…I think I’ll be very happy with what I’ve achieved…and keep doing what I’m doing.

    Best,

    Wayne

  10. Hardy Macia

    @14 Wayne — at the very start of the show: “I think the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected,and that means in my mind, I would love for a libertarian like Gary Johnson the two term governor of New Mexico would actually get elected President, but think we all know that’s not going to happen so therefore it’s got to be Romney there is no choice”.

    Nothing out of context here. You basically tell the audience yeah vote for the lesser of two evils, although I’m not sure Romney is the lesser in this case.

    And, you dis Gary Johnson’s chances out of hand. Johnson who is currently polling at 7% and we need to get him to 15%. That means promoting him, not promoting Romney in your opening statements.

  11. John Jay Myers

    Wayne, this is the only thing you said in regards to Gary Johnson… and that is all that matters. This is a word for word transcript of what you said:

    ”I think the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected,and that means in my mind, I would love for a libertarian like Gary Johnson the two term governor of New Mexico would actually get elected President, but I think we all know that’s not going to happen so therefore it’s got to be Romney there is no choice”

    You also said “In 2016 you might have a good choice” (prior to the statement above) Where you should have been screaming “You have a good choice now!” But you don’t believe that.

    You said what you said, and you meant what you said. You don’t care about this Party, you only care about yourself.

  12. Ayn R. Key

    JJM, of course Wayne understands the purpose, concept, and reason for existence of the Libertarian Party – it exists to help Wayne promote Wayne.

  13. Michael H. Wilson

    I’ve listened to the show twice and have come to one conclusion. Wayne you need to do the right thing and resign.

  14. Steven Berson

    Wayne –
    out of context??? I’m listening to it right now. You are f’in endorsing Romney over potential LP nominees!!! You can try and double talk your way out of this but you’re not going to convince us that you did not actually say the words you said.

  15. David Colborne

    Wayne, I get where you’re coming from. I understand the practical and philosophical place you’re pulling from. I agree that Obama is, at best, a sub-optimal President who doesn’t know when and when not to apply the weight of his office. However, you’re not just Wayne Root anymore. You’re not “Wayne Root, former Vice-Presidentialcandidate for the Libertarian Party”. You’re all that, plus a currently serving member of the LPCC and the LNC. Consequently, when you speak, it carries the weight of the LP behind you. You just basically said, “A member of the ruling body of the Libertarian Party stated that our best chance for freedom is to vote for Romney”. Even if you think that – and I understand why you might – you need to remember your station. You have an obligation and a duty beyond yourself.

    Just as I forgot my duties when I was serving on the LPNV Ex Comm and let my personal and parochial difficulties rob me of any chance of effectiveness with that organization, you’re letting yours rob you of your effectiveness in our organization. Learn from my mistakes.

  16. citizen1

    Root also supported Lieberman for Senate in 2006. His reason it was good for his business. Root is about Root not about principles.

  17. Stewart Flood

    Wayne,

    -5 on the interview.

    Other than what you wrote above, I heard no mention of you having endorsed Governor Johnson, and no promotion of the libertarian party, which you, I, and the rest of the LNC legally represent. No other mention or use of the word libertarian aside from the single use of the phrase “libertarian cause” mid-interview. I’ve only listened to it twice, if I missed a second reference than I guess it was because of the effect of having to listen to a libertarian discredit his own party and one of our potential nominees.

    Anyone who did not know that you are a member of the Libertarian Party or who missed the first 30 or so seconds of the interview WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE LISTENING TO A REPUBLICAN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR DEFENDING HIS CANDIDATE AS THE “LESSER” OF TWO EVILS.

    Did I say -5? Sorry, meant to say -500…

    And yes, this needed to be said “in public”.

    I have done interviews recently, although I will admit that they were only local radio and TV. I have always said, and I will always say and will always BELIEVE that you can’t simply vote for the lesser of two evils. That is playing into their game. If you believe in change and believe that the libertarian message is the right message then you should stand up for your beliefs and cast your vote for the candidate you believe will do the best job.

    You said exactly the opposite. You encouraged voting for someone who is clearly just as bad a choice for our country as the person who is currently serving as President.

    I am really disappointed. You are a member of the national committee. Please act like it.

  18. bruuno

    Anyone else suspect that maybe Johnson just told him he didn’t want him as his VP candidate and this is Root’s ‘payback’?

  19. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I believe that Wayne’s hatred of Obama is becoming overwhelming to him. Perhaps he should consult a mental health professional. I’m NOT being sarcastic here.

  20. Robert Capozzi

    As a mere LP rank and filer and mostly just an outside observer, I’ve said I am rooting for Romney while supporting and (hopefully) voting for Johnson/X. I rooted for Obama and supported and voted for Barr/Root.

    But I’m nobody, with no portfolio.

    Root has official capacities with the LP. Assuming HM’s quote is accurate, that was a dereliction. If Root was only a public pundit and an LP member only, I’d not have much of a problem with his statement.

    This tells me that Root has a conflict of interest between his punditry and his official capacities in the LP.

    My gut tells me it’s time for Root to step down. But I’ll listen to an actual counter before taking that position.

  21. Double Standard?

    Wasn’t Angela Keaton harassed off the LNC partially because she wore a Boston Tea Party t-shirt in a Facebook photo?

    She was thus accused of promoting a competing party.

    What Keaton did was no worse than what Root did. So why was she harassed off by the LNC leadership, yet Root is still sitting pretty?

  22. Richard Winger

    Wayne, if you are still reading this thread and want to chime in again, please tell us that you personally will cast your vote in November 2012 for whomever the Libertarian Party nominates for President.

  23. George Phillies

    President Obama is a Marxist? That claim echoes across the media as yet another Republican paranoid psychotic fantasy, up there with claims that Obama was born in Jakarta, Kenya.

    Romney, however, is a rich boy thug whose campaign style consists entirely of having his billionaire friends trash his opponents. He Republican ‘it’s Mitt’s turn’ politico pals cannot understand why even conservative Republicans are not supporting Mitt.

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  25. Bill Wood

    Unbelievable! I will not cast a vote for the Republican or the Democrat! I will vote for the LP Candidate either Johnson or Wrights whichever wins the nomination.

  26. Andrew

    Root has consistently and clearly shown that all of his political advice and posturing is for his personal benefit. He’s an egomaniac who wants to make a mockery of the political process for the sake of his portfolio and for no pure reasons. he belongs in the GOP camps, where his machinistic biases are appreciated, and should not be associated with the LP anymore. I don’t care if he’s a decently prominent media figure either, it doesn’t make that huge of a difference (He doesn’t even realize he was being mocked on the Colbert Report, and he touts that as showing his mainstream credibility).

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  28. Wayne Root

    Silly discussion…I am a political pundit all over the media and Internet. I am often paid to analyze the Presidential and other races. I always am introduced as a former LP Vice Presidential nominee…and usually as “Mr. Libertarian.”

    Then I am asked to analyze the GOP vs Dems…and I do. That is my career. And I always win over Republicans and conservatives and Tea Partiers…which is my goal. And which is my audience.

    I believe we are all in a big tent to defeat big government. And I almost always make mention of GOP’s failings and failures which drove me away from GOP (just like I did today). And I always make mention of the problems connected with electing a Republican- that they also support big government and often disappoint.

    But mostly I attack the candidates (Democrat) and party (Democrat) that openly despises business owners, wants to redistribute our income, and…drumroll please…turns out to be just as bad on war issues, detention of U.S. citizens and listening to our phone conversations without a warrant as the GOP that left LPers seem to hate so much.

    In many interviews I tie it all back to LP being the only party that gets both sides of the equation right.

    In many I only act as an analyst and pundit and cover the ground that the host and the audience is interested in.

    Which is my plan. And it has worked. My job is to make myself and “Libertarian” a popular and acceptable word. To increase exposure and branding. I do that over hundreds of interviews. Taking the words of one interview out of context is not a smart way to build a party. Sorry but media likes what I have to say. That is good for LP over time.

    I’ve done my job well…it’s why so many hosts say publicly they want to support me for President…as a Libertarian.

    But on fiscal issues…I will always say GOP is closer to me…to any businessman…to what works for the U.S. economy…than a marxist community organizer.

    And that opinion is good long-term for winning friends and allies on every media interview I do. And it is the truth. And it is what I believe. I don’t change my opinions when the wind blows.

    I have defended fiscal conservative principles for 30 years and the LP believes in fiscal conservatism last I checked. It was founded by fans of Barry Goldwater angry at the big government leanings of the post-Goldwater GOP.

    And yes Richard Winger support Gary Johnson. But he is not the official candidate yet, nor is he the topic in the mainstream media interviews I do. I am asked SPECIFICALLY to discuss GOP vs Dem. And I go out of my way to often throw in GJ as their possible opponent and compliment his fiscal record as Gov of NM.

    He’s been a guest on my radio shows many times. We like each other. Get along great. I helped to recruit him to LP. I have endorsed him publicly. And I am honored to serve on his economic advisory board.

    I’ll continue to analyze the race as a pundit and attack Obama- who is the President in office, on everyone’s minds. I will continue to make friends with conservatives. I’ll continue to mention Gary whenever and where-ever possible. I’ll continue to call Romney a liberal Northeast big govt Republican, but I’ll continue to note that as a businessman he is far superior to a Socialist, wealth-hating, businessman-hating, community organizer who is dividing America on the basis of class warfare.

    And I will continue because of the popularity of my views to conservatives and Tea Partiers to be invited on hundreds of shows…where I will always get in good points on behalf of the LP.

    And by the way, one mention by me of the LP or Gary on a monstrously popular show like Bill Cunningham is more valuable to LP and GJ than all the critics and complainers who will never be invited on major media…and therefore never spread LP philosophy or the name of GJ.

    That is the value of a media personality. But that personality must be free to be himself. I have a long term plan…the words from one sentence of one interview do not reflect the plan.

    My massive following on Twitter and Facebook…and to my email newsletter do reflect he success of what I do on a daily basis. The Lp desperately needs many activists and media personalities doing exactly what I’m doing.

    Obviously what I’m doing is working.

    I am on The Bill Cunningham Show almost every week. So if I said something great 40 weeks a year…but if you didn’t like one sentence today…would that be grounds for disregarding all the good I do in front of millions?

    This is the media world. Learn to live with it. Or just demand perfect “purity” from your media personalities…in which case no LPer will ever be asked to do a mainstream media interview.

    And LP views will be like a tree that falls in the forest with no one watching.

    Purity…or accept that Wayne Root gets on thousands of interviews reaching millions…and does it his way…in his own words…and gets in as many shots on behalf of LP as is possible…if you want to be invited back again.

    Accept subtlety…and positive popular branding…that wins over audiences…

    Or go for purity and stay a party with 1/2 of 1% of vote.

    I know what I choose. And I will keep doing exactly what I’ve been doing so successfully.

    Best,

    Wayne

  29. bruuno

    Did Donald Trump and WAR attend the same seminar on self promotion?
    Seriously though, what is with the line “And I always win over Republicans”. To do what? Vote Republican?

  30. Lavra

    @35 Wayne- a few of us on the campaign have been wondering what this economic advisory board is. You mentioned on an earlier IPR thread that Governor Johnson had announced it, but nobody can find any reference. Can you enlighten?

    Laura Delhomme
    Virginia Director
    Gary Johnson 2012

  31. Stephen VanDyke

    So uh… being a traitor to party is still a fireable offense at the LP national committee isn’t it?

    Because I can’t wait to see the look on Root’s face when he’s told to walk the plank by the other members of the LP (who certainly don’t want to be the disloyal laughing stock of liberty the rest of their lives).

    BTW, this is *exactly* the kind of offhand remark that Drudge likes to fuck people up with, get some popcorn!

  32. Wayne Root

    Laura,

    Every Presidential candidate has an Economic Advisory Board and many also are smart enough to have a small business advisory board. I am on both for GJ. As an entrepreneur, business owner, and economist who understands what needs to be done to save this economy, I’d say that’s a very good role for me and a smart use of my talents. And after GJ wins the nomination, and the economic plan is officially rolled out, you can bet I’ll be in the media promoting it.

    Wayne

  33. Wayne Root

    @36 Bruuno

    Interesting comment. I keep hearing critics at IPR talk of winning over the left. For what? To vote Democrat?

    Is that what you’d write?

    Well I think it would be wonderful if someone from left leaning LP tried to win over Democrats.

    I wouldn’t think you’d say “For what? So they can vote Democrat?”

    Shouldn’t the goal of a small third party that gets 1% of vote (or less) be to win over others to notice the LP brand…to like the LP brand…and then over time (because it is not a quick or easy process) to win over those voters to the LP?

    Well I do.

    And my goal is to do that with the groups I’m comfortable with and share many values- conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers, right center independents, and fiscally conservative blue dog Democrats.

    Wayne

  34. Steven Berson

    I will be getting a batch of buttons made saying “Pro-L.P. / Anti-W.A.R.” to be given out at the Convention to all takers for free. Place your reservation for them here!

  35. Stephen VanDyke

    @35 “This is the media world. Learn to live with it. Or just demand perfect “purity” from your media personalities…in which case no LPer will ever be asked to do a mainstream media interview.”

    Everything you say can and will be held against you, especially if it’s incredibly stupid. Learn to live with it.

  36. Richard Winger

    In my number #29, I asked Wayne to say that he will vote in November 2012 for the presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party. One of his responses says, “Yes Richard Winger I support Gary Johnson” but that is not what I asked.

    Again, Wayne, will you pledge to vote in November 2012 for the Libertarian nominee for President? “Vote” is a very specific word.

  37. EJB

    Wayne, not one dime of mine is going to the LNCC with talk like that, so long as you are its representative. You play into the biggest challenge for the Libertarian Party, overcoming the “don’t waste your vote” mentality that constrains any third party alternative to the Republican/Democratic duopoly. There will always be another election where the lesser of two evils has a better chance, until we dissuade people from thinking that it is inevitable that Libertarians will lose. Talk about a loser mentality.

  38. Carol Moore

    I have the draft of a web page exposing all Wayne’s wickedness but I keep feeling like he’s my best ALLY in doing so. Thanks Wayne for opening your big funny mouth again and letting the truth slip out!!

  39. Mathew A Erickson III

    I’ve been an unapologetic supporter of Wayne Root for a while now, but I have to admit he may have screwed the pooch here. I feel like we are finally gaining some traction, and are on track to have the best year ever for the party. I don’t believe that endorsing Romney is at all helpful to our cause when it comes from a member of the LNC. And I realize he didn’t explicitly endorse Romney, but saying he would love to see Johnson elected, but it won’t happen so Romney is the lesser of two evils is basically endorsing Romney.

    But it also reinforces the stigma that we have been fighting so hard to get rid of, namely that it’s a wasted vote to vote third party. I hear every election year ” I would vote Libertarian, but this election is just too important. Maybe next time.” Wayne just reinforced that argument against us.

  40. bruuno

    @42 Mr. Root,
    I think you completely missed the point.
    For one thing yes, I would expect a left leaning LP leader to try to win over Democrats so that they can vote Libertarian, not keep voting Democrat (which it appears to be what you are promoting by telling people to vote for Romney).
    The goal of a political party, I would think, would be to try to get people to vote for that party. Not to have them keep voting for the Party they have previously voted for.
    And you concentrating efforts on right leaning people is fine and makes perfect sense. I would suggest it is counterproductive though for a leader of a political party that has potential appeal to both right and left to not utterly trash one side (in your case the left) with over the top hyperbole, whacko conspiracy theories, and insults.

  41. Wayne Root

    @44 Stephen…you are free to criticize…I am free to tell you you completely misinterpreted the words…and took them out of context…

    In a 20+ minute interview…one of many on the day…what I said…and meant was…in a perfect world Gary Johnson would be my choice for President…but if that is not possible…and the only choices are Obama the socialist vs Romney…then the choice is Romney. But…thats not the only choice.

    That was my only intent. And if you listen to the entire 20 minute interview…that was what I pointed out to a national radio audience.

    In any case, that was the intent.

    Until you’ve done 4000 interviews in 4 years as a media pundit…you might want to walk in my shoes and cut a little slack.

    Happy Easter.

    Wayne

  42. Just Saying

    The Libertarian Party has only itself to blame for creating the self-promoting monster known as Wayne Allyn Root — you know, the guy who’s now an economist, too.

    Gary Johnson should distance himself from this psychologically-damaged and nauseating narcissist as quickly as possible.

  43. Deran

    “I think the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected,”

    I think this is the truth abt Mr. Root’s action, in his own words.

    As Paulie said, there were votes that elected Mr. Root to certain positions inside the US national LP and appendages. I think the most interesting thing will be to see what the LP itself says and does abt this turn of events.

  44. Michael H. Wilson

    Wayne I thought you were a political science major in college? When did you become an economist?

  45. Wes Wagner

    Deran @53

    I have challenged Mr. Hinkle to express leadership by asking for Mr. Root’s resignation. We only have to wait and see who has the integrity to do it.

  46. Wayne Root

    @48 My lat response of the weekend…I’m off to Passover and Easter celebrations with my family…

    Matthew because I know and respect you I’ll answer tour comments.

    #1) I endorsed no one. You are putting words in my mouth.

    #2) I was asked as a pundit to discuss Obama vs Romney and tried to do a good deed by bringing up GJ in the conversation.

    #3) I was not a representative of the LNC or LP doing a LP interview. That is a completely different role. I am a political analyst and pundit on Bill Cunningham Show…and I’ve done a great job for 2 years now of winning over Bill as a fan of LP. Because of my efforts Bill has said on the air numerous times that he is a Libertarian now…or a Libertarian-conservative.

    He has also said again and again that he would like to support me for President in the future.

    That is a great bit of movement for a lifelong GOP like Bill. I’m proud of the part I’ve played.

    I’ve had Cunningham interviews where I spent 40 minutes taking full offensive vs both GOP and Dems…and pointing out the LP is the only way to go.

    But no one here wants to play the other 40 interviews with achievements like that.

    Sorry that one sentence did not live up to your desires. I do not like to disappoint my friends or fans.

    But I give 110% at all times…and have moved mountains for the LP in the mainstream national media.

    I was in a different role today.

    But brought up GJ to try to do a good thing.

    Once you’ve been on hundreds of interviews you’ll know that no one who does these interviews has any idea how the words come out until after they hear it or see a replay after it’s over. Saying it perfect…to make everyone happy is not always easy. Try it over 1000 times a year.

    Wayne

  47. Bob Bridges

    Governor Gary Johnson is the ONLY candidate that can beat both Obama and Romney this Fall, and put us on a path for social and fiscal liberty and prosperity. I urge you all to donate to Gov. Johnson’s campaign by visiting https://donate.garyjohnson2012.com/?refcode=500K-OH. An individual can give as little as $5, or contribute upwards of $2,500 today! Every bit helps!

  48. Carol Moore

    Wayne may get media to talk about Johnson, but they’ll probably want to spend half the time talking about why he said he supported Romney. On the other hand, he may get a lot less media appearances IF he continues to support Johnson and say he Misspoke in supporting Romney. Now which will Wayne choose, promoting the party and losing publicity for himself – or promoting himself. Hmmmmmmm….. Well, at least I don’t have to worry about doing that EXPOSE website any more. Thanks Wayne!!

  49. Brian Miller (who told you so, way back in 2008!)

    Wow, the guy who wrote a screed entitled “Millionaire Republican” ended up essentially endorsing the Republican. Shocking.

  50. Alan Pyeatt

    Seriously, Wayne? Mitt fricking ROMNEY? I just heard a REAL libertarian, a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party, who was the LP’s 1988 nominee for President, give one of the best speeches I have ever heard on Wednesday night at UCLA, and you want us to vote for Mitt fricking Romney instead? The man who “crossed the aisle” to extend an assault weapons ban in Massachusetts? The man who drew the blueprint for Obamacare?

    “And by the way I do 20 to 30 interviews per week…and write 2 to 3 commentaries per week reaching tens of millions…and they all support FISCAL CONSERVATISM” Not this time! Apparently, you don’t even read the Libertarian Party website! (http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/new-american-magazine-quotes-lp-executive-director-attacking-mitt-romneys-high-governmen)

    After you have told us over and over again how your views are just like Ron Paul’s, you stab him in the back like this?

    “And that Romney’s victory will most probably prove that neither party can change our problems enough to save the economy…so hopefully it will lead to a serious Libertarian third party threat in 2016…of which I plan to be the Presidential candidate.” Don’t bet on that. You just showed your true colors, and libertarians are NOT going to like what we see.

    I agree with John Jay Myers. It’s time for you to resign from both the LNC and the LNCC, and stop pretending to represent us. You don’t, and you never will.

  51. Wayne Root

    I forgot one comment I wanted to answer before I run out the door…

    To: Richard Winger,

    Richard,

    I endorsed Gary Johnson 3 months ago. I intend to vote for him in Las Vegas at the LP convention and in the voting booth this November…

    Just as I’ll be supporting and voting for LP candidates all across the country.

    And raising money for LP candidates across the country through the LNCC.

    Just as I voted for LP candidates Barr & Root in 2008…along with local LP candidates.

    Just as I raised money for local LP candidates through LNCC in 2010.

    One sentence in one interview is not how you judge a media personality who works hard for the LP 7 days a week…but who wears a hat as a MSM media pundit.

    A do a very good job in a difficult role by analyzing mainstream 2-party candidates, yet praising LP and pointing out the failures of both major parties whenever possible.

    The fact that I’m the only Libertarian chosen by the MSM media to do that proves my point.

    Wayne

  52. Alan Pyeatt

    No, the fact that you’re the only faux libertarian chosen by the MSM media shows that you say what they want the country to hear. And they do NOT want the country to hear the libertarian philosophy, or they’d be pushing Ron Paul and Gary Johnson!

  53. Stephen VanDyke

    @51 Wayne
    “In a 20+ minute interview…one of many on the day…what I said…and meant was…in a perfect world Gary Johnson would be my choice for President…but if that is not possible…and the only choices are Obama the socialist vs Romney…then the choice is Romney. But…thats not the only choice.”

    “That was my only intent. And if you listen to the entire 20 minute interview…that was what I pointed out to a national radio audience.

    “In any case, that was the intent.

    later

    @64 Wayne
    “I endorsed Gary Johnson 3 months ago. I intend to vote for him in Las Vegas at the LP convention and in the voting booth this November…”

    *puts on moustache*

    @52 LOL at economist title.

    @Wayne, I honestly don’t know how to respond to you, but this thing called “talking” is usually not done in front of cameras (and *gasp* …even for free) by people like me all the time.

    I do like how you’re trying to duck out for Passover _and_ Easter (because I guess why not both) and gosh if the Internet mob isn’t allowed to ask you anything else embarrassing!

    But seriously? intend? You keep using this word, I do not think it means what you think it means!

    I still want to know if you’d take a staff position in Romney’s campaign.

    BTW, boys and girls… are we sure this is actually Wayne Allyn Root? How about you hold up a sign that says: “I’m voting for Gary Johnson 2012 all the way” and take a pic, or it din’t happn. < – me spelling like Wayne

  54. Charles Lupton

    Dear Wayne,
    The problem is you seem more concerned more with fiscal issues than liberty. I, myself, was an (I) and never registered for ANY political party and who voted Obama in 2008(a mistake I won’t repeat). I am Gov. Johnson’s TX Finance Director. Because of him, I am now registered as an LP member(and here to stay and will support Gov. Johnson in 2016 as he DOES plan to run again as a Libertarian and hopefully as the incumbent, but no matter he will run again in 2016. I’ve asked him personally myself) along with my wife, both of my brothers, and several friends. I vote on Civil Liberty issues before fiscal ones as many in the Dem party do. They get that have right usually(Obama being the exception and why this cycle in particular they are pissed and should be a prime target for conversion). No matter had bad things get business wise. I can get a job or make one myself. If I’m am locked up, I can neither find a job nor have ANY freedom. This is why I vote for whomever will provide the most Liberty and Obama has been a greater failure on that than any President in the last 30 years.

    You can’t not win by dividing just the GOP. It’s false to think so. You won’t be able to get enough support that way no matter how broken the GOP is(The single highest vote getter in LP history was John Monds against an R so think about that). Same goes for only looking at the Dem side. Together, both parties (not including 3rd or independent) make up of half the registered vote and take each about half of the Independents.

    Q: “Will the LP take votes from (insert candidate or party here) guaranteeing (insert other side of duopoly here) a victory in Nov?”
    A: “No. We will take votes from both sides of the aisle and win in Nov. The GOP sometimes gets the fiscal side right, but the Dems are usually right on Civil Liberties. However, the Libertarian Party is right on both.”

    That is how that question is answered whether talking to a conservative or a liberal audience. We need BOTH sides to wake up to liberty.

    Sincerely,
    Charles Lupton
    Texas Finance Director for Gary Johnson for President 2012

    P.S. I would love to try it 1,000 or 1 Million times a year. A person with principle doesn’t have to mind his words if he always says what he truly believes. You don’t have to remember the lie when you tell the truth and in this case it seems you truly believe Gov. Johnson(if he is the nominee) won’t have a chance in Nov.

  55. Kevin Knedler

    To # 48 and # 57 from Ohio.
    Glad you are commenting. You are not the only ones. Wow, my email and phone is lighting up.
    This could have been handled so differently with a stock answer. An answer of hope, encouragement, and an answer that we DO have a choice. In Ohio we have fought this stigma of the wasted vote. We have fought court battles just to get on the ballot. Heck we created our own page on http://www.lpo.org that speaks to the wasted vote and how to answer to it. I will continue to fight the good fight in Ohio so the younger generation has a future and something to work with in Ohio and the United States. That something is called “Freedom”.

  56. Jon Loesche

    Wayne

    If you really support LP candidates, why did you deny giving LNCC support to Alex Snitker’s senate campaign in Florida because he was running against “Tea Party Hero” (your words) Alex Snitker?

  57. George Whitfield

    I am really disappointed in Wayne Allyn Root. I have defended him sometimes in this forum but I cannot defend his public statement saying that Romney is the only choice in a real world. We Libertarian Party members are fighting every day in the real world to make our party a viable option and Root’s statement to a large audience defeats us. If Root wants to be a media commentator without having to represent the Libertarian Party then he should resign from the National Committee. He should at least apologize to us.

  58. JT

    There’s no need to parse what you said, Wayne.
    The bottom line is that the only acceptable commentary from an LP official regarding the D vs. R race for President is saying that there isn’t a big difference between the two. If you want to talk about economics, Wayne, you should point out that Romney hasn’t proposed eliminating any government programs, while Johnson has proposed a budget that would slash government spending by a lot. You should clearly say that voting Libertarian is the only real, valuable alternative.

    Anything less than that message isn’t okay.

  59. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I found this letter on a FB thread on this topic.

    This is an email WAR sent about the LNCC not support Florida LP Senate candidate Alex Snitker
    Wes,
    You are comparing apples to oranges with Alex Snitker. Alex was a very
    good speaker and candidate. But he was running against a Tea Party hero in
    Marco Rubio. This is a textbook example of poor decisions made by LP
    candidates and the LP. We need to look at the candidates the GOP is running and rate
    them on Libertarian scale….like the one we all saw out of Texas last
    month.

    There is good reason for a David Nolan to run against John McCain. That
    might make sense. There is ZERO reason for the LP to run a candidate against
    Marco Rubio.

    That could be why there were no LP candidates running against Rand Paul,
    or Ron Paul, or Sharon Angle. Why would the LP waste money on a candidate
    running against someone that is defined by the press as “Libertarian” in
    every single article? Why waste effort or money running against a
    candidate who believes in ending the IRS, ending or dramatically reforming
    Social Security, and ending the Departments of Education and Energy. Those
    are elections where the LP needs to stand down.
    Marco rubio…whether you like him or not…whether you agree he should be
    described as Libertarian…is THE symbol of Tea Party nationwide. There
    was zero “hay to be made” trying to be more libertarian…more free
    market…or more fiscally conservative than him.

    Our party needs to concentrate on running against the worst of our
    opposition…not the best.
    And more importantly, as you can see from Snitker, it is not going to get
    you anywhere.

    Why vote alternate third party if there is already a Tea Party
    independent-thinker on the GOP line like Marco Rubio? The answer from the electorate
    is clear- there is no reason.

    While David Nolan got almost 5% against McCain – who isn’t a libertarian
    or a conservative or a Tea Party kind of guy…while spending less than
    $10,000…

    Alex Snitker gave an INCREDIBLE effort…ran one heck of a
    campaign…appeared in a huge number of media…and got nothing for his efforts.

    t has nothing to do with the amount of money he raised.
    He was a fantastic candidate…at the wrong time and place.
    I’m betting that against Charlie Christ…Alex would have set records for
    a LP Senate candidate.

    But why run for office calling for smaller gov’t, dramatic reform of
    income taxes, Soc Sec, Dept of Education…when your opponent is calling for all
    the same things?
    The answer is clear- it is a waste of time, effort and money.
    We need to put our money in other races that make more strategic sense.

    Wayne,
    Wayne Allyn Root
    2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee”

  60. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I hope the person who posted the letter doesn’t mind that I’ve posted it here.

  61. Joe

    Wayne,

    You know I paid a price in Utah by just having you come speak at an LP Utah meeting. FOX news came to cover that and you were, IMO, terrific. I also enjoyed the time we spent in the car from your home in Park City to that meeting and back, and I was deeply hurt by those in the party here who branded me a neo-con trying to take over the LP because I invited you to speak and gave you a ride.

    But while this one comment is NOT as you say the entire story, Wayne, it is time to resign. You’re no more libertarian than Bob Barr. He endorsed Gingrich, you’ve now, despite your endorsement of Johnson, urged people to stop Obama by voting for Romney. And this wasn’t the only time you’ve said that.

    You were also present when Gary Johnson stated he intends to run for the LP nomination in 2016 as well. Apparently you intend to run against him. It seems to me that campaign has started now.

    There’s a WORLD of difference between what I see in your words, written and in interviews, and Governor Johnson’s.

    There’s no future here for you in a Libertarian Party that I could support in the future, and while you have been in a lot of media, frankly IMO you do more harm to the LP brand than good.

    We are NOT the new Republican Party of Reagan, or what the RP should have been, or focused only on spending and the size of government.

    We’re founded in the non-aggression principle, dedicated to INDIVIDUAL freedom, including legalizing pot, prostitution and porn and PRIVACY — (not just god, guns and tax-cuts or whatever spin you think will best sell the party).

    I am disgusted by the totality of this interview, by your suggestion that Romney or the Neo-Cons or ANY Republican would be any better than Obama, and by your spin here in this IPR thread.

    You’ve self-destructed here, both in the interview and your responses above. I join the chorus asking you to resign and stop claiming to represent this party.

    I’d urge you to do what you’re best at — speak as a Republican seeking to reform that party from the inside. Just like Bob Barr, I’m sure they’ll take you back.

    If you and/or your faction win a majority of the LNC in Las Vegas then I believe you will understand why I will not feel I’ve left the LP — as you say it’s not that you left the Republican Party, it is the RP that left you.

    Joe

  62. Alan Pyeatt

    So, if Wayne Root approves of your candidacy, you get LNCC money, and if he doesn’t, you don’t get funded? Anybody else see something wrong with this picture?

  63. Jim Duensing

    This is not a one time thing. I have been told by a very reliable source – a local radio host – that he was listening to WAR in the days before the GOP caucus and WAR again – on air – stumped for Romney and was dismissive of Ron Paul. Following too much in the footsteps of Bob Barr.

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing
    http://www.VoteForAChange.US – Time to Party like its 1773!

  64. bruuno

    Is it me or does it seem that the ONLY issue that Root is a libertarian on is economics? Or is it that he simply doesn’t care about any of the other issues? He certainly doesn’t seem to give them any priority if he is so willing to support neo-cons and social conservatives.

  65. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Wayne: In my opinion, the letter posted at 76 makes it very clear how aligned you want us to be with the Tea Party branch of Republicans. You don’t seem to get (or accept) that the LP is NOT the Tea Party. I know you’re trying to re-make the party in your own image (as quoted in the “Seven” interview from the summer of 2010), but–Wayne–did you notice no one here on IPR is supporting you? How many people have rushed to your defense on Facebook? You keep saying your way of doing things is working. Will you ever notice that perhaps you’re wrong, and it isn’t?

  66. Joe

    PS = I’ve just ended my email subscriptions to Wayne’s commentaries.

    I’d also urge everyone to review

    http://www.lncc.org/issues/

    This does NOT, IMO, look like a Libertarian website. It DOES look like a TEA Party website.

    I also urge any candidates or prospective considering attending this training:

    http://www.lncc.org/candidates/#

    to BOYCOTT.

    Wayne might get the point if there’s an empty room there.

    AND, in the future, I’ll support a Libertarian National Campaign Committee when it’s based on INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY and not just on the size and debt of government. One sign of that would be to have PRO LIBERTY SOCIAL ISSUES identified on an ISSUES page.

    How many non-violent Americans are in JAIL for drug use? How much pain and suffering do others face because of the war on legitimate medical marijuana? How much more intervention by the fuckers at the TSA (the beginnings of our federal police force). Where’s the issue of the NSA and domestic spying?

    And when in the hell did we become TEA PARTY LIBERTARIANS?

    http://www.lncc.org/issues/tea-party-libertarians/

    Reviewing this material leaves me not only repeating my call for Wayne Root to resign, to cease calling himself a spokesperson for this party, but also for the reformation of the Libertarian National Campaign Committee and its “educational” efforts.

    Joe

  67. Just Saying

    Wow. Wayne intends to vote for the LP’s nominee in November. That’s mighty big of him — and will probably only be the second time in his life that he hasn’t voted a straight Republican ticket.

  68. Mathew A Erickson III

    Wayne, I too thank you for directly answering my comments. While your comments don’t calm the disappointment I feel right now, I do understand that sometimes we say things that may have unintended consequences and backlash.

  69. Alan Pyeatt

    Lavra @ 37: “@35 Wayne- a few of us on the campaign have been wondering what this economic advisory board is. You mentioned on an earlier IPR thread that Governor Johnson had announced it, but nobody can find any reference. Can you enlighten?

    Laura Delhomme
    Virginia Director
    Gary Johnson 2012″

    Me: I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I wondered why Johnson would make such an appointment, but just figured it was a political move to get him to shut up.

  70. Brian Miller

    “There is ZERO reason for the LP to run a candidate against Marco Rubio.”

    Well, for starters, Marco Rubio isn’t a libertarian. He’s a big government statist conservative who believes in rapidly growing military spending and an activist government bureaucracy that interferes in and regulates the personal and family decisions of Americans.

    Libertarians used to get stuff like that. Then the whole “Reform Caucus” stuff started, and here we are today. Sad.

  71. George Phillies

    @88 “There is ZERO reason for the LP to run a candidate against Marco Rubio.”

    I don’t know, Brian. I hadn’t realized that in addition to libertarian socialism we also had libertarian fascism.

    When you vote for a Republican, you are voting for wars of aggression. You are voting for torture. You are voting for massive fiscal irresponsibility. You are voting for an American police state apparatus that reads our every email and listens to our every phone call.

  72. Nathan

    I certainly hope Mr. Root chooses to step down from leadership roles given he has endorsed a Republican on multiple occasions over a Libertarian.

    Libertarians are move than fiscal conservatives as Root always discusses. Why not discuss the other side? Why not dive into social issues as opposed to economic only?

    Is this because Mr. Root lacks any real commitment to social liberty? I’d argue in that fact that Mr. Root has no interest in real liberty.

    Mr. Root has on numerous occasions shown us all that he is more of a pundit for the GOP than a leader for anything LP related. It is best he step aside, and help at a different level if he is truly interested in success for the LP and candidates, let alone liberty. It is clear he cannot handle being in the spot light as a leader, and can not speak correctly to the issues, nor offer up firm support for candidates, especially on the national scale.

  73. Nathan

    Wow, just read the Rubio endorsement. Seriously Mr. Root, you honestly believe that Rubio would be a better supporter and fighter for liberty and constitutional principles than an LP candidate?

    It is very clear Mr. Root needs to step aside. There are far more LP members with a firm commitment to not only winning, but more importantly LP members with a commitment to the Pledge and Our Principles!

  74. John Jay Myers

    Wayne, again in your comments, you are flat out lying, the guy didn’t ask you to comment on Obama vs Romney, you started the conversation with it, when he asked you if you were running for President.

    You do this all the time, you sound horrible, you win no new converts, and if you think you were doing Johnson a favor by mentioning his name again I have to say, “With friends like these who needs enemies”.

    I honestly believe you have no future in this Party, it would be better for you to leave it. It would be better for us if you leave it and take your minions with you.

    Let us fight our fights without you tieing our hands behind our backs.

    If we can get you out of the party soon, we stand a chance of winning over the Ron Paul people who believe we don’t stand for principle… because we have people like you as part of leadership.

  75. David Colborne

    If you’re a sales manager for GM and someone from, oh, Car & Driver or Motor Trend or something asked, “So, do you like the Camry or the Accord?”, you don’t say, “Well, in a perfect world, you’d buy a Malibu, but we both know that’s not happening, so buy an Accord,” and then try to spin it as, “Well, Honda’s the lesser of two evils, business-wise – Toyota will destroy us if we get half a chance.” That’s a quick, 100% sure-fire way of getting yourself fired (and rightly so) in extremely short order. Instead, you say:

    “Of the two, I’d probably pick the Accord, though only because it’s the least sub-par of pair. If you want a really good mid-sized family car, one with superior interior space, performance, gas mileage, and ride comfort, however, you should really consider a Chevy Malibu.”

    See the difference? One sounds like you don’t believe in the brand that you’ve been chosen to represent, while the other still allows you to make the “lesser of two evils” choice while confidently plugging your product. It’s a subtle difference, but one that even a bored IT guy on the Internet can figure out in extremely short order. The worst part is this is a really easy situation to walk yourself out of with a nice, easy apology… like this one:

    “Hey everyone. I want to apologize for being unclear in my interview with Bill Cunningham today. During the interview, I was asked which candidate I would choose, were the choices Romney or Obama. My response suggested that I supported Romney, and ambiguously suggested that the front-runner for the LP presidential nomination, Gary Johnson, might have a weaker chance at the office.

    As the Chair of the LNCC, At-Large member of the LNC, and former Vice-Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party in 2008, I’m as aware as anyone that there are more than two choices in any presidential election. As a proud, active, long-serving member of the Libertarian Party, I want to make perfectly clear that I firmly believe that any candidate the Libertarian Party chooses to support for the office of President would be superior to any candidate that either the Republican Party or the Democratic Party will ever field. Any Libertarian Party candidate for President, if elected, would better support business owners and families by removing government-created roadblocks that hinder their progress and prosperity. Any Libertarian Party candidate for President, if elected, would better support our national defense by bringing our troops home and removing ourselves from unprofitable wars that long since exhausted their strategic necessity.

    When you make as many media appearances as I do, you’re going to communicate less clearly than you’d like sooner or later. I make over 40 media appearances a month, write in several prominent national opinion columns, and push the Libertarian brand forward every single day without break or relief. In the vast majority of those media appearances, I present a strong message of freedom and tolerance, one that does not weakly settle for second best. I regret that, in today’s appearance on the Bill Cunningham show, I was less strong and less clear than everyone has come to expect from a professional of my caliber.

    I sincerely and humbly ask for everyone’s forgiveness and look forward to advancing the cause of liberty and the Libertarian Party with my energetic drive in the future.

    Sincerely,
    Wayne Root”

    See how easy that was? It’s the perfect “not exactly an apology”, one that acknowledges that you had a slip of the tongue there, while pivoting the issue back to one of strength – you make so many media appearances that you’re bound to mess one up sooner or later. Hey, it happens – we all have bad days at work. Maybe you had a cold, or your assistant gave you decaf, or the neighbors kept you up all night with their loud music or something. Use your imagination and run with it.

  76. Seebeck

    I get the damnedest links on my Facebook account from my real libertarian friends about the fake ones. I get this one from multiple sources, and after the initial, “Are you f***ing kidding me?” followed by the “Why am I not surprised?” I decided to pop over here and see what was all the hubbub, bub.

    Upon further review, I can only say this:

    1. Wayne, you are a tool and you need to resign.
    2. Like Brian Miller, also back as far as 4 years ago, TOLD YA SO!
    3. Maybe the LP will finally listen to people like me (and others) who actually know what we’re talking about and saw through Barr, Root, Starr, etc. ad nauseum years ago.

    I’m not holding my breath on #1 or #3.

    Wayne, I for one don’t give a flying f*** about how many interviews you do every day, week, month, year, fortnight, or whatever temporal measurement you choose. Argument to experience doesn’t mean much (and who is Bill Cunningham anyway? He sure isn’t on in the hyperconservative radio market of Colorado Springs, that’s for sure!), and I’ve done AM radio myself as both an interviewee and a host. Taint difficult work when one preps right. If you’ve done so many by now you should have your shtick down pat as to not make such a fubar. Alternatively, if this was not a fubar and was how you really felt, then you have finally exposed yourself as what we’ve been saying you are all along–a GOP plant to screw up an already screwed-up LP.

    The correct answer, obvious to everyone except you, Wayne, was stated above by JT @75. You should know that after 4 years and who knows how many interviews. Hell, I had that talking point down within 10 minutes of officially joining the LP 12 years ago.

    So which is it, Wayne? Are you an idiot or a plant?

    Frankly, folks, I don’t see the LNC doing anything about this because unlike The Keaton, Wayne is on the “right” side of the PTB on the LNC, and that fiasco has made them shy away from circus trials about LNC purges, especially after the L’Affaire D’Wrights appellate victory that handed them their collective heads (Gawds that was satisfying to do!).

    But you know Wayne stepped on his own bookie crank with the golf shoes when Flood and Knedler chime in and say, Wayne, ya screwed up.

    Wayne should resign from both the LNC and LNCC–he should have left the LP years ago and gone back to the GOP–but he’s not smart enough to see the writing on the wall and exit gracefully. The LNC isn’t ballsy enough to get rid of him, either. So that leaves the question to be answered for Las Vegas–will the membership wake the hell up and toss him, as they should with a general housecleaning of the LNC?

    Time will tell.

    Me, I will simply look on and focus on other stuff. Like in the Atlantic a century ago this coming week, The Band Played On and the deckchairs were rearranged. But the ship is still sinking.

  77. Joe

    George @90 —

    “When you vote for a Republican, you are voting for wars of aggression. You are voting for torture. You are voting for massive fiscal irresponsibility. You are voting for an American police state apparatus that reads our every email and listens to our every phone call.”

    Damn right, but like Wayne you’ve given the impression that there is a difference in RP and DP. Really? Is Obama’s first term any different than a Cheeny Third Term would have been?

    I suspect you’d edit that to:

    >>When you vote for either a Republican or a Democrat, you are voting for wars of aggression. You are voting for torture. You are voting for massive fiscal irresponsibility. You are voting for an American police state apparatus that reads our every email and listens to our every phone call.”

    (Ron Paul, perhaps, excepted.)

    In which case, I agree completely!

    John @ 94

    >>If we can get you out of the party soon, we stand a chance of winning over the Ron Paul people who believe we don’t stand for principle<<

    You've NAILED IT. I'm sick of the "Less Government, More Freedom" branding of the LP. It's time to return to and to BE —

    THE PARTY OF PRINCIPLE

    And that principle being the politics that comes from non-aggression. PERIOD.

    The "Let's compromise (or hide) our PRINCIPLE to have a chance of WINNING (whatever that means)" Barr/Root crowd have had their full measure of time. Let them go to the Democrats or Republican Liberty Caucus.

    It's time to TAKE OUR PARTY BACK, BE PRINCIPLED, and as Steve Kubby advocated in 2008, be the party of FUN again.

    Fun (read: Joy) being the byproduct of a PRINCIPLE-based, not opportunity of the moment-based, LIFE.

  78. Just Saying

    Forget about excuses. In a way this is poetic justice, the kind of thing you can expect to happen when you elevate a self-aggrandizing political novice to a position of leadership in a party whose principles and philosphy he barely comprehends.

  79. Ayn R. Key

    What I find rather funny is the role of Ron Paul in this blowup.

    If a libertarian is going to suggest going Republican for tactical reasons, why would that libertarian endorse Romney when Paul is still in the Republican primary race?

    Yet Root gives token nods to Johnson while endorsing Romney.

  80. Joe

    I’m printing up 2016 WAYNE ROOT FOR PRESIDENT Constitution Party bumper stickers. It’s time to corner that market. His God, Guns and Tax Cuts book will sell better over there, IMO.

  81. the other Seebeck

    Y’know, Wayne, last year my son had to learn a crash course in Broncomania. After cheering on the wrong team the first week watching the game (and nearly causing a riot, this being Colorado after all), he learned pretty quickly who to cheer to the finish. Somehow that only took him a week. If my son can learn which side you’re supposed to be touting in just one week, um, don’t you think you could have learned to NOT sound like a freaking GOP neocon four years later? Really, it’s not rocket science. Go slink back to the GOP– IF you can get them to even accept you these days.

  82. Mark Hilgenberg

    This is the problem, the political elite convince the masses that liberty is conservatism. It is not. We will never grow as long as this myth is repeated.

    “And by the way I do 20 to 30 interviews per week…and write 2 to 3 commentaries per week reaching tens of millions…and they all support FISCAL CONSERVATISM…which is Libertarianism.

    All of them state loudly and clearly that Obama must be stopped for the economy to survive. Obama re-election would be death of U.S. economy- including all of my businesses. My opinion has never changed in the slightest.”

  83. Wayne Root

    @99 This is Wayne.

    I’ve said wonderful things about Ron Paul on hundreds of interviews…just as I’ve said wonderful things of late about Gary Johnson in many recent interviews…touting his fantastic record as Governor of NM…leading the nation in vetoes…not allowing spending increases or tax increases in 8 years.

    I do 20 to 30 interviews a week…you have chosen one…and one sentence you didn’t like.

    At FoxNews.com I wrote a very popular commentary praising Ron Paul and recommending that any Republican nominee would be crazy not to name him Secretary of the Treasury or Fed Chief. Because Ron Paul’s fiscal ideas have been brilliant for 30 yard now. And if we had listened to him, we’d all be better off.

    Ron Paul was not the topic today…the topic as agreed before the interview was my analysis of Obama vs Romney and my commentary about the $17 trillion in unfunded obligations of Obamacare.

    Wayne

    Wayne

  84. Wayne Root

    @105

    Mark,

    I do not convince anyone that Libertarianism is conservatism. I am a small businessman and entrepreneur who has the economy, jobs and taxes as my top issues.

    But I have argued quite passionately in many an interview that social issues are none of the federal governments business…that telling someone what to do in privacy of their bedroom is not small government, but big government…that Rick Santorum’s ideas about women and contraception are extreme and would destroy the GOP…that social tolerance was the hallmark of my hero Barry Goldwater…that legalizing pot is exactly what America needs to pay down the deficit.

    But in the end I choose to lead with fiscal issues. Since 2007 when I entered the LP polls proved that jobs and the economy are the 1 issue of 95% of the voters. It is important to listen to what voters want and see as important…for any political party.

    Wayne

  85. George Phillies

    Now he’s praising another Republican.

    And if teh praise had been directed toward Democrats, I would have been happy to discuss the Democratic party of War and Murdering American Citizens in cold blood, on purpose. Obama has bombed the Philippines, Yemen, Somalia, and invaded with the consent of some side Uganda, Somalia, Yemen, India, Nepal, the Philippines, and Goddess only knows where else. The count of American citizens is at least three, that we know about, including a 16-year-old boy who flew off to Yemen to find his father the preacher.

  86. Thomas L. Knapp

    JJM @ 94,

    You write:

    “Wayne, again in your comments, you are flat out lying, the guy didn’t ask you to comment on Obama vs Romney, you started the conversation with it, when he asked you if you were running for President.”

    I think you’re mis-reading what Wayne is saying there.

    I don’t think he’s saying “the sentence before I spoke was a question about Republican versus Democrat.”

    I think he’s saying “I am invited to these shows to offer my analysis of Republican versus Democrat.”

  87. Wayne Root

    @95 David,

    I had a passover seder (dinner) with family and friends to attend tonight. It is one of holiest days of year in Judaism. And my wife Debra (who is Christian) sets up celebrations for every Jewish holiday to be sure my children understand their heritage.

    My plan was to write up a letter saying almost exactly what you just wrote above late tonight and release it tomorrow.

    And you are on the money. Except that I don’t do 40 interviews per month. I do about 100 interviews a month. It is exhausting, and I have businesses to run in between. The sacrifice is exhausting. And the words do not always come out perfect and do not always make everyone happy.

    And LPers don’t always understand my strategy…to win over conservatives…find common ground…talk about issues that we agree on…mention LP and/or our candidates (like Gary Johnson)…then in later interviews bring up Gary (after he gets nomination and is official candidate) and contrast where he is far better than Obama or Romney. Those areas by the way for conservative voters will be economic.

    All of that will happen after May 6th LP convention.

    In the meantime my job is to win over conservative media…find common ground…and be invited back again and again. And eventually (because it isn’t quick or easy) bring them to LP. To me, this is a long term plan. It takes patience.

    In any case when you do all these interviews you sometimes think words come out different than they do.

    My only goal- always- is to help the LP.

    But I must say, I would never ask any of you to resign or be kicked out because your strategy is different than mine. If you want to lead with civil rights, wars, or social issues- go ahead.

    If you want to bring in Democrats go ahead. I won’t stop you.

    But you should not be trying to hinder me either. Let alone tar and feather me for one sentence that came out incorrectly…amidst a pretty darn good 20 minute interview…amidst 20 to 30 interviews I do every week.

    And you should agree I’ve done a fine job on conservative media…the proof is in the non stop invites and return visits.

    I’m too tired to draw up a letter tonight. But I will in morning.

    Good night,

    Wayne

  88. Ayn R. Key

    I met Gary Johnson at the CA LP convention. Talking to him for a few minutes left a very positive impression on me. Although I still support Wrights as my first choice, I left feeling that if Johnson got the nomination it wouldn’t be bad.

    Why is it that every time I see Root talk positively about Johnson my positive impression erodes a little?

    Johnson, please, ditch Root at the first opportunity.

  89. Stewart Flood

    Seebeck @96,

    I hope you realize that I am not, and have not been a supporter of Mr Root’s statements and methods of promoting himself.

    I find it interesting to see your comment suggesting that he resign from the LNC and the LNCC. If we were more than a few short weeks from the convention, action would certainly be taken regarding his membership on the LNC. Timing of today’ events in relation to the date of the convention make that impossible.

    But the LNCC is a different issue. His tenure as chair of that body does not end in Vegas, nor do the committee’s perverted ByLaws even indicate a method for action to be taken.

    I will, at this time, publicly call for his resignation from that committee. If he fails to resign, I will organize whatever action is required to remove him, even to the extent of asking for the LNC to disband the committee that we created and that I believe FEC regulations still consider a body under our jurisdiction.

    I sent the following message to the LNC a short while ago:

    At this time I ask that Mr Root submit his resignation as chairman of the LNCC.  His actions earlier today show a bias that clearly conflicts with his duties on that committee, or as a representative of our party in any capacity.

    Since we are only four weeks from the end of our term of office on the LNC, I will not ask that any action be taken to remove him from this body for violation of his fiduciary responsibility.  I have reviewed the ByLaws, and I do not believe we have sufficient time to deal with this issue properly.

  90. Jim Duensing

    One more rather famous incident of WAR supporting pro-war neo-cons who only sometimes pay lip service to free market economics is his now-scrubbed article “How the GOP can get its groove back” by nominating a McCain / Lieberman ticket in the 2008 elections. As a commentator he said that this super ticket would ensure the Republicans held the whitehouse for 20 years. Shortly thereafter, he tried out his Libertarian routine. The article was lost down the memory hole. So no one takes that article out of context, Wayne, do you mind reposting it here?

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing
    http://www.VoteForAChange.US

  91. Jim Duensing

    @111 – WAR wrote: “But I must say, I would never ask any of you to resign or be kicked out because your strategy is different than mine. If you want to lead with civil rights, wars, or social issues- go ahead.”

    Have you already forgotten kicking out ALL the county affiliates in the Nevada LP and confiscating their treasuries? Because of the radicals who weren’t part of the kitchen table caucus? This was a move which simultaneously revoked the membership of dozens of LP members, including an elected chair of the Pahrump Town Board who was chair of the Nye County LP. Your vote to rid the LP of people with a different strategy than you is the direct cause of the LP having 2 – you read that right two(2) candidates for office in Nevada in 2012 and why the NVLP will almost certainly lose ballot access.

    Although it looks like your leadership of the LPNV will result in the effective end of the Nevada LP, it now looks like your political end will befittingly come first. Please try not to talk out of both side of your mouth while backpedaling, although it is somewhat comical to watch, it is more pathetic than funny.

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing
    http://www.VoteForAChange.US

  92. Bruce Cohen

    Ms. Pyatt is as dishonest as her Husband. She lies about me, she lies about Wayne.

    She’s a Jew hating anti Semite like the rest of the gang that feel compelled to lie about us.

    Hey Jill and Company?
    If we are so awful, why do you need to lie about us? Anyway?

  93. Ayn R. Key

    This actually fits in with a pattern. Didn’t Barr endorse Gingrich not long ago?

    Jim @ 115

    Wow, it is scrubbed. I didn’t you you could cause articles to be removed from the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, but he’s done it.

    Then again, the html of his blog has never been great.

  94. Stewart Flood

    Only a slight error on Doug’s part. I asked Root to resign from the LNCC.

    The final three hour meeting of this term is scheduled to be held 28 days from now. We have better things to do than to consider taking action during what will hopefully be his last meeting as a member of the LNC.

    Asking him to resign four weeks before the end of his term would also be ineffective. My concern at this point is his tenure as chair of the LNCC. He should resign immediately, as he should have resigned from our presidential ticket in 2008 after his highly inflammatory Reason interview.

    You may recall that I subsequently submitted a motion for his removal from the ticket, but the motion was not co-sponsored by any other members of the LNC.

  95. Steve LaBianca

    W.A.R. says, “I was not a representative of the LNC or LP doing a LP interview. That is a completely different role. I am a political analyst and pundit on Bill Cunningham Show…”

    (then several lines below) . . .

    “I was in a different role today.”

    Therein lies the deeper problem, other than the obvious one, which W.A.R. elaborated earlier, “and they all support FISCAL CONSERVATISM…which is Libertarianism.” (No it isn’t).

    The deeper problem is, LP officials shouldn’t wear those other hats . . . just like a devoted husband shouldn’t have sex with other women, a Libertarian Party official shouldn’t be promoting anything other than the LP and/or its candidates.

    If W.A.R doesn’t choose which hat he wants to wear, I’m pretty confident that the LP delegates will strip him of his “LP official” hat. If they don’t, then the LP has become as dysfunctional as W.A.R. himself (very).

  96. John Jay Myers

    Wayne recently said that he agrees with Ron Paul on many issues, obviously not foreign policy.

    I mean there are too many to list, he needs to go.

    It would be great for the party if he would resign prior to Vegas, so we could actually attract the right kind of people.

    If you care about this party at all Wayne, you will go.

  97. Richard Winger

    Every comment of Wayne’s, in this thread, has been respectful toward the people who disagree with him. I wish every commenter to this thread, and all threads, had the same characteristic.

  98. Steve M

    my take is that a an individual, who has taken leadership positions within our party, has made a decision to back a candidate of another party.

    For what ever reason.

    It is the right of the political party to ask this leader to either resign all positions within the party or to retract his support for a candidate for a competing party.

    The idea being that, you can either be a leader of a political party or you can support candidates for high office from any party….

    You can’t do both!

    So Wayne Allyn Root…..

    Who’s side are you on?

  99. Ayn R. Key

    It will distract everyone if Bruce throws the “anti-Semite” comment around like an Obama supporter throwing “racist” around.

    And just like an Obama supporter, there is no truth to it.

    And just like the Obama supporter trying to defend Obama, this is done to distract from there being no way to defend what Wayne has done.

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  101. Jim Duensing

    Quotes from WAR in the scrubbed article:

    [T]his Millionaire Republican is suggesting that GOP leaders offer the Senate Majority Leader position to Senator Joe Lieberman in order to convince him to cross the aisle.

    Senate Majority Leader Lieberman would be in a position to aid the Jewish state of Israel — something so important to him (and many Americans — including me). But I’m not done yet — here’s the coup de grace: the GOP offers Lieberman one more carrot that is impossible to turn down — a place on the GOP Presidential ticket! That’s right — I’m suggesting an unbeatable GOP ticket of McCain- Lieberman in 2008 …

    My scenario gives the Republican Party a virtual lock on power for 20 consecutive years …

    ——END STUPID ASS QUOTES—–

    All of these were taken from WARs commentary article before he fired up his Libertarian act – and that ‘s all it is folks…

    See here for more quotes and a longer description

    http://knappster.blogspot.com/2008/04/those-who-try-to-rewrite-history.html

    BTW Bruce Cohen, acting like a permanent victim playing the race card whenever anyone points out the shortcomings of your favorite Israel firster (see above) is even more pathetic than WAR’s pretending the several direct quotes of his were “taken out of context”. I’m sure you will suggest that I too am a self-hating Jew. To that I say, Happy Easter.

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing

  102. Andy

    Jim Duensing said: “Your vote to rid the LP of people with a different strategy than you is the direct cause of the LP having 2 – you read that right two(2) candidates for office in Nevada in 2012 and why the NVLP will almost certainly lose ballot access.”

    This will be a screw up of epic proportions if the Libertarian Party of Nevada loses ballot access because of this.

  103. Andy

    Debating who is the lesser of two evils between Romney and Obama is a pointless discussion. They are both bad and I’m not convinced that either of them will drive us off the cliff any slower than the other.

  104. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Root: I am often paid to analyze the Presidential and other races.

    I don’t believe you.

    Root: The fact that I’m the only Libertarian chosen by the MSM media to do that proves…

    It proves that the MSM considers you “safe.” The MSM chose you to be their Libertarian face because you spew MSM/establishment talking points, offering no real challenge to the state’s imperialist military/security industrial complex.

  105. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    @92: Is this because Mr. Root lacks any real commitment to social liberty? I’d argue in that fact that Mr. Root has no interest in real liberty.

    Root is a “millionaire Republican” who lives in a gated community.

    He won’t be spied on solely because he’s Muslim.

    He won’t be stopped and asked for his papers solely because he’s Mexican.

    He won’t be pulled over solely because he’s black.

    Root doesn’t go through life under the state’s security microscope.

    His overseas relatives aren’t on the receiving end of US bombs or at risk of becoming collateral damage in endless wars on drugs or terror.

    When the police see Root, they say, “Yes, sir!”

    If a homeless man is wandering nearby, the police will ask Root, “Is that bum bothering you, sir? Shall we ask him to leave?”

    Sure, Root wants to pay lower taxes for his police state. But even so, the police state is his friend.

    Root just doesn’t get civil liberties.

  106. Steve M

    libertarianism is more then just economic conservatism it is also social liberalism.

    Ending up wealthy with zero rights to thought makes the cash worthless.

    I demand both, economic and social freedom. Supporting Mitt is supporting the stripping of people of their social freedoms. As such a supporter of Mitt is not an ally of mine.

    That’s fine, Wayne can support whom he likes… but he should not claim to speak for me. If enough Libertarians agree with me then Wayne should be tossed out of his leadership positions within our party.

  107. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    Ayn, one of Root’s quotes (as cited by Knapp) is:

    “As the author of the #1 Amazon Best-Seller ‘Millionaire Republican,’ …”

    Was that book ever ranked #1 on Amazon? I don’t believe it.

    Root doesn’t just lie … he spouts HUGE and easily disprovable lies. The man’s a pathological liar.

    As others have said, Root needs the help of a mental health professional. Seriously.

  108. John Jay Myers

    The bottom line is that Root only answers his questioners with the same line “I get media” but the fact is, if he constantly makes us look like idiots, we are better off if he gets no media.

    To hear his list of media interviews just makes my skin crawl, it’s that many more people who will never vote for our candidates.

    Too many people have been sucked into his bull sh*t. It’s time to end it.

    Wayne Root needs to be expelled, and those who worship at the 48 laws of power idol need to go with him.

    Soon a list will be made of all of those who need to be relieved of their LNC duties.

  109. Ayn R. Key

    JJM @ 139 is right.

    Getting media attention is not good if the attention is bad.

    He’s going out there 40 to 100 times a month (the bragging varies) to spread an anti-libertarian message under a libertarian label. And he considers this a good thing.

    And we should be grateful he’s getting our name out there, attached to a message we disagree with – such as “vote for Romney.” No, we are not grateful that he’s attaching the libertarian label to “vote for Romney” so therefore we are all ingrates who can’t appreciate the “good” he is doing.

    Wayne, you need to go back to your Republican party and leave us alone.

  110. Alan Pyeatt

    WAR @ 106: “At FoxNews.com I wrote a very popular commentary praising Ron Paul and recommending that any Republican nominee would be crazy not to name him Secretary of the Treasury or Fed Chief.”

    Me: You really just do not get it, do you?

  111. Alan Pyeatt

    BC @ 119: “Ms. Pyatt is as dishonest as her Husband. She lies about me, she lies about Wayne.

    She’s a Jew hating anti Semite like the rest of the gang that feel compelled to lie about us.

    Hey Jill and Company?
    If we are so awful, why do you need to lie about us? Anyway?”

    So, are you going to give us a concrete example with evidence to back it up this time? Or are you just going to make another weak, unsupported accusation again?

    You’ll excuse me if I don’t hold my breath while I wait for some evidence.

  112. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    I usually ignore Bruce because I really do feel sorry for him. I will remind him, however, that on more than one occasion I’ve asked everyone here on IPR, and all 5000 of my FB friends to come up with one anti-semitic thing that I have said. No one, including Mr Cohen, has ever found even one.

  113. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Brian Miller, it’s great to hear from you, even if it’s for such a sad event as Wayne’s latest gaffe.

  114. Deep Breath

    It’s not surprising to me to see the same old group of rock-throwers get all worked up into a mob. But there are some normally reasonable people getting caught up here also, and I think we all need to take a deep breath and put down the nooses and shotguns.

    It starts with the lie in the headline, “Wayne Allyn Root Tells Radio Audience to Vote for Romney”.

    He did NOT tell the audience to vote for Romney. Didn’t happen. To which quote in the interview are you referring? Headlines like that would get you kicked out of journalism school, Missy.

    The guy is a Vegas oddsmaker. He makes a living predicting which team will win a game. When was the last time a Libertarian won the presidency? Did you say ‘never’? I will support our team and vote for our team, but I’m not under the delusion that this is the year we will win. Wayne would hurt his own credibility to predict that Johnson will win this year. And I think Wayne was right that Romney will win this one.

    Tell me again what part of his interview was an endorsement of Romney? Was it the part where Wayne said Romney was a big government liberal? Was it the part where he said both Obama and Romney are bad choices? When did the word “endorsement” get redefined and nobody told me?

  115. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    DB @ 146: He DOES tell the audience to vote for Romney. Did you not listen to the link?

  116. Gary Johnson Doesn't Plan to Win in 2012

    Gary Johnson’s goal in 2012 is not to win, but just to break 5%. From Gary Johnson’s own website at:

    http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/a-day-with-gov-gary-johnson

    Johnson details his long game. “If the libertarian candidate gets 5% of the national vote, then the Libertarian Party will get $90 million in matching funds from the federal government,” Johnson says. He stresses that money could be a game changer and could help the Libertarian Party have a better chance in the next election. If he can pull that off, he thinks perhaps the Libertarian Party might choose him to run in 2016. Breaking the stranglehold the two major parties have over the US takes money. Lots and lots of money.

    Why is it ok for Johnson to acknowledge he doesn’t have a chance this year, but not ok for Wayne Root to say the same thing?

    The Johnson game plan isn’t to win in 2012. Their game plan is to do well enough in 2012 to get funding so the LP can compete in 2016.

  117. John Jay Myers

    Dear person to scared to leave their name (we will assume your are probably Bruce Cohen or Aaron Star): Wayne said “It’s got to be Romney there is no choice” unless you are completely mental, there is only one way to take this.

    You could say it’s not an endorsement I suppose, but that would be a stretch, and would only exist in the Bill Clinton era of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” and “it depends on what your definition of the word is… is”. Yes if you wanted to break it down, it wasn’t exactly an endorsement, but as close as you can get.

    The headline however seems reasonably accurate, he says “it must be Romney” I am going to assume at least he is saying you must vote for Romney, I am not sure how else it would be…. Romney. Can you explain that to us?

    Does not matter the odds, Libertarians don’t join this party to win elections now, they join to be right… they join to stand on a principle. And when enough people can be convinced to vote their heart and are educated, we will win.

    But telling people that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils turning against the one main mantra this party flies under “Never vote for the lesser of two evils” is just asinine.

    Wayne is in this for Wayne, he has always been, he thought he could sell some books and get himself in media interviews by becoming a big fish in the little pond. Unfortunately keeping him around is why we are still in a little pond.

    No one wants to join a party that can not reject someone so unprincipled. This is not the first interview Wayne has been caught being unlibertarian during, it’s like the 1000th.

    It’s incredibly hard to believe he still even wants to hang around, just join the Republicans already, oh I forgot, then he would just be another small fish, and the media can’t keep us relegated as “Republican light” unless they have a cheesy used car salesman spinning hate from our wing of the political spectrum.

  118. Josh

    I like Wayne but have yet to meet a Libertarian that joined because of him.
    “Millions” reached and not one yet.
    Josh

  119. Robert Capozzi

    95 DC post is right on. Those joining this thread late consider scrolling to it.

    146 DB: The guy is a Vegas oddsmaker. He makes a living predicting which team will win a game.

    me: Right. This is the point. Root is conflicted. As an oddsmaker and pundit, he may often run into conflicts with his official capacities on the LNC and LNCC. This Romney-All-But-Endorsement is just one example.

    There is nothing wrong with Root stepping down in the wake of recognizing that he is hurting both his pundit career AND his ability to be a responsible steward for the LP. Perhaps he thought he could walk that tightrope, and I have nothing but appreciation for his attempting to do so.

    There are, btw, big differences between the Rs and Ds, and among the R and D candidates…IF you observe them under a microscope! In the Big Picture, sure, they all pretty much end up in the same place. But, jeez, when you got one candidate openly saying he personally opposes birth control, others saying they don’t believe in evolution, others wanting single payer health care, others wanting to bomb Iran, etc., I’d say there are differences when looked at through a microscope.

  120. Robert Capozzi

    149 jjm: Does not matter the odds, Libertarians don’t join this party to win elections now, they join to be right… they join to stand on a principle.

    me: No, I join to be happy, not “right.” To offer others another way, a path of peace. A path of peace could involve running AS IS a L could win, which would be highly appropriate.

    Sanctimony might be appropriate in a religious context, but not in politics.

  121. Robert Capozzi

    148 doesn’t plan: Why is it ok for Johnson to acknowledge he doesn’t have a chance this year, but not ok for Wayne Root to say the same thing?

    me: Great question. The point that any LP candidate OR LP official should make IMO is that voting R and D is the REAL wasted vote. Vote for W, the humble f.p. and fiscal conservative, get the Iraq War and No Child Left Behind and a massive increase in Medicare. Vote for Obama, the “anti-war” candidate and anti-individual mandate, get more wars and individual mandates.

    The point is: Both the Rs and Ds are on slightly different paths away from liberty and peace.

    That should be the public stance of official LP-dom. Privately, we might (as I did) root for Obama simply because I thought McCain/Palin were not people I’d want near the football…way too emotionally erratic, near as I can tell. Romney is highly likely to be a disaster, too, but at this point, he might not do quite as much damage as Obama. Other Ls may have other takes.

    GJ’s point is that the “stranglehold” is dysfunctional, and needs to be undone. Root — in his conflicted roles — is sending out mixed messages. That’s the difference, as I see it.

  122. George Phillies

    @97 Were the Democrats and Republicans different 40 years ago when we coined the slogan not a dime’s worth of difference? Not very much Are they very different now? Very definitely. If you don’t think they have become very different you should try taking a look at them.

    Indeed, they have become so different that Congress, whose rules were written when their were few differences on party lines, is becoming nonfunctional.

    I am old enough to remember clearly politics fifty years ago. Who were the most conservative members of Congress then? Southern DEMOCRATS. Who were the most liberal members? New York DEMOCRATS. (Massachusetts, back then, not really.) And who was almost tied with them at both ends? REPUBLICANS. Back then, there was little difference. There is now. Libertarians need to adjust their thinking and their sloganeering, or most Americans will notice we are not taking about our reality.

  123. Robert Capozzi

    152 fix…AS IS a L could win, should been AS IF.

    One position that I think an LP official COULD take is something like: Until the duopoly’s stranglehold is undone, the best we can hope for is divided government. Many of the most dysfunctional excesses come when one party controls both the WH and Congress. The media may whine about “gridlock,” but some of the most prosperous, relatively peaceful periods in recent history have been marked by divided government.

  124. Cool Odor Mullet

    @Wayne
    You have a shot at being leadership in our party, to bring people together under an LP banner! You represent the embodied beliefs of a lot of different people. When you represent members “poorly”, you need to make it right with them. You cant say the wrong thing and tell me that you did it 400 times last week, if the message even remotely resembles “LP can’t do X”; because no one is impressed. We need a salesman, not a naysayer. We need you to fill that role.

    I have a few suggestions that you may want to consider. I do like to write handbooks and I will give you a sneak peak at my latest masterpiece “How not to hurt yourself or your girlilla”! I think you will agree with me on most of these points.

    1) Create an environment where you are not being attacked all the time.
    You achieve this by throwing people out who give you any problems with them no matter how small(my favorite) or make active attempts at repairing your relationships with people. Clearly one of these requires charisma, the other a heart. If your intentions are to bring people in and grow the party, how is making WAR going to help? it will only lead to distrust, and a “less than optimal” ground for you to bring your libertarians.
    Make the corrections needed, make GJ your project, not Wayne… when you represent me.

    2)Create a supportive team, so you can teach others your success.
    Talk to your BitCh and keep him in line, I swear to you the “left” libertarians (the anti-semites) do not want WAR. It is common knowledge your fat bearded cellar dweller makes a lot of noise, and just needs a good pat on the head once in a while. I understand having someone who is generally more despised than you around is a really good way to avoid taking political damage. The problem is you guys are wearing the same uniform, running the same old plays that pissed people of last time, and the time before, and the time before that. Try something new. Train your people to reach out and support others, and stop the scathing letters, name calling, and general fallacious dysfunction.

    3) Create revenue using the LP, so you can promote your own self interests.
    Do not place yourself in positions of conflict. Wayne, go out there and make a buck; use the LP by whatever means needed. The LNC is not a team, they are your handicapped teammates that keep you competing in this microscopic realm. One day they will cross the path of the mighty BC and fall upon his glorious sword. Until then, realize that you are in a position of trust; and people have a hard time trusting you. If I go to shopping at the Citadel and think I am going to get ripped off by a merchant, I will gladly buy it somewhere else. Trust is earned when everyone’s interests are considered and respected.

    I am sorry so many people are upset with you now, and that they are twisting your words. Stay strong, and do the right thing!
    @BC Go Ron Paul…

  125. Charles Lupton

    @148, Where in that does he say who will win or how people should vote?

    He doesn’t, he acknowledges reality, but also talks down the two party stranglehold. If WAR said, I support the LP but due to the two party stranglehold on the system I think Romney is going to win. It gives his opinion on victory, but does not endorse who he thinks will win.

    This biggest problem the LP(or any Independent or 3rd Party candidate) has is “wasted vote syndrome”. This reenforces our number one problem.

    The one one quote that is most damaging to Mr. Root is, “I think we all know that’s not going to happen so therefore it’s got to be Romney there is no choice”.

    Two words make it look like an endorsement… “no choice”. There is a choice… THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY NOMINEE.

    I am new to the LP, but I will vote for the LP nominee even if it’s not Gov. Johnson and I am on his staff and voted BO last time(look at my comments at #70).

    When Gov. Johnson met with staff from the ACLU, he touted his civil liberties positions AND the budget cuts. In the end it had the ALCU Director asking if he might end up like Nader giving the election to the GOP, but he said that is the same question the right has been asking, if he will give it to BO.

    There is only one proper answer. We will do everything we can to reach 15% in polling and get on stage in the GE. Then win or lose we will seek to gets as MANY votes as possible no matter who the eventual winner is. Do we want to win? YES! Will we win? That’s the plan.

    If asked to speak about R vs D, the only answer is to say, “Sorry, I’m an L and don’t support either.” But we need exposure right? Then say okay. Then when asked who will win, “My hope is neither and I will be supporting the LP nominee. I think the GOP will poll higher than the Dems, but I want the LP to poll higher than both.” Again, it’s okay to acknowledge to reality of the two-party stranglehold. It’s not okay to reinforce it.

    Charles Lupton

  126. Kevin Knedler

    There is an old saying- well maybe not that old.
    It relates to public speaking and politics.

    “One must determine how big a ditch to dig or the amount of rope needed”.

  127. Concerned Citizen

    Wayne, forget these petty bozos. Join the Constitution Party. We’ll welcome you with open arms.

  128. Tom Blanton

    The LP can’t boot Root until a new replacement Republican has been found to take his place. Maybe the Koch boys can hire Glenn Beck to take his place so that the “true conservatives” in the LP can have a new hero to fawn over.

    It is obvious from the comments on this page that there are still a few libertarians in the LP. In this respect, Root has been a miserable failure in transforming the LP into a right-wing organization for disgruntled conservatives.

    Libertarian principles and ideas are too dangerous for an imperial empire to tolerate. It is unfortunate for the ruling elite that Root has been only partially effective in destroying LP.

    Perhaps the elite can work a deal with Mr. Johnson?

  129. Root's Teeth Are Awesome

    But the Constitution Party offers a smaller customer base to Root than does the LP. And Root is very keen on targeting the biggest customer base.

    That’s why whenever Root is forced to take sides, he chooses the GOP/Neocon/Tea Party customer base over the smaller libertarian customer base.

    Besides, the CP (apart from the California AIP faction) is too non-interventionist (i.e., not pro-Israel enough) for Root’s tastes.

    And the California AIP/Keyes faction is a woefully small customer base.

    For Root, the most lucrative option is to market himself primarily to the GOP/Neocon/Tea Party customer base, and only then to the secondary libertarian customer base (to the extent that they’ll still have him).

  130. Terry Holtz

    Who here hasn’t said something they have come to regret? My beloved LP often reminds me of High School.

  131. Wayne Root

    To several critics here on IPR,

    I have only one group I want to market to- it’s anyone capable of understanding, supporting and voting for smaller government and more freedom.

    That’s it.

    And I make that case every day, 300+ days a year in the media. Whatever the question- the answer is smaller government and more freedom.

    Some times among thousands of interviews, you are more effective with that message in one interview, and other times you are less effective in one interview. It happens. I’m human like everyone else.

    Obviously one sentence in yesterday’s interview could have been communicated much better. Simple as that. I own up to it.

    But I never endorsed Mitt Romney and it’s silly to claim I did.

    I endorsed Gary Johnson 3 months ago.

    And as soon as he wins the nomination and officially becomes the nominee, I will talk enthusiastically in the media about his agenda and plans…and about him being a far superior choice to the 2-party system.

    I will also write a commentary supporting GJ for publication at major conservative web sites reaching millions of readers.

    I will be voting for Gary.

    It’s that simple.

    And I’ll be releasing an official statement later today (which I’m writing now). Sorry for any miscommunications- but it it is bound to happen when you do thousands of interviews.

    Have a Happy Easter and Passover,

    Wayne

  132. Josh

    Wayne,
    I think the problem is that nobody knows “who the real Wayne Allyn Root” is.
    Are you a businessman, political activist, oddsmaker, LNCC member, GOP strategist, Tea-Partier, Regan Libertarian, Fiscal Conservative, Tea-Party Libertarian, etc??

    Can you just be Libertarian? That’s all that’s being asked of you.

    Josh

  133. ATBAFT

    It is called “jumping the shark” and this is the end of the Wayne Root Show on LPTV. Too bad we are now stuck meeting at a very expensive venue in Las Vegas.

  134. Chuck Moulton

    LNC members have a fiduciary duty to work for the best interests of the party. Telling people to not vote for the Libertarian candidate — and perpetuating the “lesser of 2 evils” fallacy in the process — violates that fiduciary duty.

    I’m a small-L libertarian first and a big-L libertarian second. I have no problem promoting libertarians no matter what party they are in. For example, I’ve donated to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Justin Amash in the recent past. But Romney is no libertarian.

    Frankly if Ron Paul were to win the Republican nomination and I were not in an LP position of authority, I would probably vote for Ron Paul and tell my friends to vote for Ron Paul. But since I am currently a state chair and if I were on the LNC, I would vote for Gary Johnson and tell my friends to vote for Gary Johnson. Part of accepting a leadership position is recognizing that it carries obligations to the organization.

    Everyone makes mistakes or misspeaks sometimes. I think there are 2 points of contention here:

    1) What does Wayne Root really believe? There are many people out there who were waiting for Root to display what they saw as his true colors and have pounced on this as an “I told you so” moment. It’s hard to know whether Root really thinks people should vote for Romney or Johnson — I’m not a mind reader. I like to take people at their word, so I’ll just chalk this one up to a misstatement. (The danger of taking people at their word of course is your trust can be taken advantage of.)

    2) How will Root represent the LP and libertarianism in the future? Even granted this is an honest mistake — a verbal slipup in 1 interview out of 1000 — it is a mistake that can be repeated. If Root plans to keep doing what he’s doing rather than diagnosing and correcting whatever condition led to the slipup (e.g., too many interviews in a day, not enough preparation, not enough sleep, etc.) then it probably will be repeated. It’s very embarrassing (not just for Root, but for the LP) to have a high ranking LP official say things like this. So if a pattern of honest mistakes is apparent, then it could make sense for Root to dissociate himself from those high ranking positions.

    At a minimum I’d say Root owes the LNC and Gary Johnson apologies.

  135. Mark Hilgenberg

    Deep @146

    The problem is this hits at a deeper problem, the wink and a nod many libertarians give to conservatives as if we are on the same team. Root reinforces this false idea daily, this is why he gets the media he does.

    The media and political elite want to promote the narrative that Libertarians are conservatives, it helps to keep us down.

    We have sounded like and sided with the ME centered conservatives for 40 years and we continue to lose and shrink.

    The often mocked left and independents ( the larger group BTW) are primarily focused on WE, the issues and problems of the people, not just themselves.

    Until we take control of the narrative and promote liberty as the ideal for the people, we will continue to lose and shrink in numbers.

  136. JT

    Wayne, at post 75 I wrote:

    “The bottom line is that the only acceptable commentary from an LP official regarding the D vs. R race for President is saying that there isn’t a big difference between the two. If you want to talk about economics, Wayne, you should point out that Romney hasn’t proposed eliminating any government programs, while Johnson has proposed a budget that would slash government spending by a lot. You should clearly say that voting Libertarian is the only real, valuable alternative.”

    Wayne, did you say what I wrote or not? If not, then you shouldn’t be an LP official, regardless of anything else you’ve said or done. It’s really just that simple.

  137. LibertarianGirl

    shit , Aaron Starr and others called for A Keatons resignation when she was an LNC member for simply wearing a BTP tshirt….so itll be interesting to see if fairness in accountability is touted in this instance…..I wont hold my breath

    WAYNE , YOUR ATTEMPTED SPIN IS LAUGHABLE , YOU SAID ROMNEYS THE ONLY CHOICE . YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID JOHNSON OR ANY LP NOMINEE IS THE CHOICE , OR NOBODY…

    you done fucked up this time .

    anyone wanting to write something to pass out , obviously its cheaper for me to print than to ship ( paper is hella expensive to ship) so lets get our game together , email me privately..

    i have the republican wall of shame , i should add waynes pic to it

  138. Bruce Cohen

    Both Aaron Starr and I post under our own names.

    It’s people like Takenaga associates Brian Holtz Matthew Barnes and Brian Holtz who post under fake names.

    Without debating their ‘right’ or motivations, it’s not me or Aaron. We prefer to have our intentions and positions out in the open.

    Since people feel the need to lie about us, and Wayne.

    And yes, Mister Deunsing, it does appear you are a Jew and Israel hater. Do you deny this? Do you deny supporting white supremacist groups in your past? Do you deny Willis Carto is a Hitler worshiper?

  139. Robert Capozzi

    I’m seeing some revisionist history here. Keaton’s donning a BTP tee was, iirc, on top of her repeated violations of executive session, privileged communication.

    I agree with 166 CM. Root has the beginnings of an apology on 163 WR, where he said: “Obviously one sentence in yesterday’s interview could have been communicated much better. Simple as that. I own up to it.”

    This is a helpful first step, but it strikes me that WR needs to make both a full apology AND begin to display a more partisan L tone IF he wants to be an LP official. A column making the case for GJ and the futility of the likely Romney nomination might do the trick.

    My advice to him, fwiw, would still be to pursue his pundit career, where he can exercise his apparent fusionist viewpoints. He could do so as a L member who sometimes plays footsie with elements of the GOP.

    That’s probably his best and highest use.

    Now, however, he’s a conflicted figure.

    He could even do what I suggest and run for office as a L down the line. But the fiduciary nature of the LNC and LNCC makes his current standing tenuous.

  140. the other Seebeck

    Let me just quickly second something here. Jill Pyeatt has one of the most love-based hearts I know within the liberty movement. She truly seems to care about and care for people regardless of their ethnicity or ancestry. Whether Coptic or Cherokee, she treats them with respect and love. Such a person is the OPPOSITE of an anti-Semite, for in a heart of love, fear/intolerance has no home.

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  142. Mark Axinn

    Wow.

    Wayne, I have had far fewer radio interviews than you, but I am always careful to say what I want to get out because EVERYTHING is on the record and I still screw it up plenty. Unfortunately, if I make one mistake in a 20-minute interview, the mistake is all that matters.

    I think you have done a great job in your indefatigable effort to promote libertarianism and the LP, but sometimes one makes a mistake. You made a whopper (especially given your status as an LNC member) and people caught it right away.

    The lesser of two evils argument is SO easy for us to respond to: The lesser of two evils is evil. Votes don’t belong to the candidates; they belong to the voters. So don’t waste your vote on evil; vote for a candidate who supports smaller government and personal freedom, who opposes the drug war, foreign intervention and telling Americans what they can do in their own homes and businesses. The only place to find that candidate is on the Libertarian line. Blah, blah, blah.

  143. John Jay Myers

    @Chuck Moulton, there is a first for everything, and this time I completely disagree with your take here. Wayne is a “memorizing” he knows everything that he is going to say, he says the same things over and over …..and over. “Son of a Butcher” etc, but don’t think that he ever really talks off the top of his head.

    He meant what he said here, and at the very least meant to say it on this radio interview. Also what is funny in this post alone his lies about what he said… even though it was on freaking tape.

    Eventually like a rat in a trap he changed his tune knowing there was no way out.

  144. Wayne Root

    @166 Chuck,

    Just FYI…the rule I run my life on is “We are all human. Life is full of lemons. Be relentless and enthusiastic- and take those lemons and make lemonade.”

    I have turned many things that looked like mistakes, failures or challenges into great success in my life.

    And this is no different. I already contacted Bill Cunningham this morning and asked for an appearance next week on his show to explain my comments, to explain why I support Gary Johnson, to explain “the Gary Johnson difference” and to promote the success of the Ohio LP. And Bill’s response was “Heck YES!”

    That’s the result of many years of dedication and hard work in the media. So what you may consider a mistake or misstatement has turned into a big positive.

    Bill Cunningham is the most popular radio host in the Midwest, with the most listened to show in Ohio. And so instead of just apologizing…I’ve done far better…I’ve turned this into major exposure for Gary Johnson and the Ohio LP.

    Exposure they would not have gotten without my misstatement.

    So in fact the misstatement becomes a big win for LP. It has been turned into a big win for all involved.

    Lemons to lemonade.

    So my critics can now understand that A) My heart is always in the right place- with my friends.

    B) My brain is in the right place- with the LP.

    C) Certain things come with a media personality and high wire act like me. You have to take the good with the bad. If someone has the big personality to attract thousands of interviews…and therefore say tens of thousands of words- all on the spur of the moment with complete spontaneity…you won’t always like all of them.

    But overall its a big positive. And look what just came from it- a nice appearance on a major show dedicated to the LP and Ohio LP and Gary Johnson.

    So the people who criticize would not have made the mistake…but they wouldn’t have gotten the 2nd appearance on Bill’s show to promote Gary or the Ohio LP.

    Therefore the mistake was actually a good thing. I don’t claim to always win. I fail…I make mistakes…everyone does.

    But I own up to my mistakes…I am willing to take the same risk tomorrow (high wire act)…and I almost always find a way to learn from the failure so I can turn the loss into a big win…eventually. That is the key to success.

    Best Wishes,

    Wayne

  145. Brian Miller (who is LHFAO right now)

    So a member of the LNC retweeting a parody photo of another member is enough to get cross-examined and “expelled” from the LNC…

    … but a member of the board of the LNC endorsing two candidates from a competing party is “no big deal.”

    This, my friends, is your new “more effective” LNC, brought to you by Root, Flood, Starr, Mattson and various others, past and present.

    It’s gone from being ineffective at getting Libertarians elected to being effective at actually undermining Libertarians for the benefit of Republicans, while remaking the LNC and its affiliated organizations into a mouthpiece for hard-right-wing extremism.

    If that was what you were looking for when you elected these folks, they’ve been extremely effective in delivering it.

  146. Brian Miller (who is LHFAO right now)

    “I’ve turned this into major exposure for Gary Johnson and the Ohio LP.”

    That’s like the CEO of Tokyo Electric saying “look on the bright side of my incompetence at Fukushima — at least Japan is in the news again.”

  147. Jim Duensing

    @ Bruce Cohen @ 171

    My mother’s mother’s mother back to Abraham was Jewish. I don’t take the Old Testament as Gospel – or the new. I think Jesus of Nazareth was one of the finest examples of humanity to ever walk the Earth. He was killed by the tyrannical Roman Empire for the pretended offence of blasphemy.

    I don’t hate Jews, or Muslims, or Buddhists, Christians, or any Catholics except the ones who rape little boys and cover it up from on high.

    I don’t hate Israel. Who could hate dirt. I do not like that the Israeli military tried to sink our ship – the USS Liberty – to try and draw us into a war in the middle east that was not in our best interests. I don’t hat the people of Israel. I don’t think the UN should have intervened in the creation of Cecil Rhodes state of Israel after WWII. But, I don’t hate Jews or Israel.

    I do not believe the American people should be led around by the nose by Israel in our foreign policy. We should treat them like all other nations. No better no worse. That is not hatred. That is the American foreign policy of our Founding Generation. See Washington and Jefferson.

    I am not a Zionist. You appear to hate America so much that you don’t care about OUR national interests as much as you care about the desires of the Israeli government. I believe we Americans should worry about America first – not Israel.

    As for the white supremacist nonsense, I have NEVER supported a white supremacist group. In fact, WAR and Joeseph P Silvestri and the other Israel firsters in the kitchen table caucus here in Nevada abolished all the local affiliates very soon after I got on statewide tv – with a different strategy than appealing to just Republicans – to discuss the Nye County LP’s celebration of Martin Luther King Jr on his birthday.

    I have no idea who Willis Carto is. I don’t care if he worships Hitler. I care that our secret government funded Hitler. See Prescott Bush and UBC Corp. The same secret government is pushing and profiting off of the unnecessary unConstitutional wars in the Middle East. I care that the neo-cons are literal descendants of Nazis, but I don’t have a clue who Willis Carto is.

    Bruce, you seem to have a real issue with anyone who does not worship exactly like you or blindly follow the zionist path. On this holiday, at least, please try and remember that the Muslims, the Christians, and the Jews all pray to the God of Abraham. And please try to remove the hatred from your soul. WWJD?

    In Liberty, with Eternal Vigilance,

    Jim Duensing
    http://www.VoteForAChange.US – Time to Party Like its 1773!

  148. Carol Moore

    Bruce Cohen writes: “Ms. Pyatt is as dishonest as her Husband. She lies about me, she lies about Wayne. She’s a Jew hating anti Semite like the rest of the gang that feel compelled to lie about us. Hey Jill and Company? If we are so awful, why do you need to lie about us? Anyway?”

    Bruce, I think like a small minority of Jews you are convinced that all Gentiles are out to genocide all Jews. So you take criticism of you and Wayne (a Jew turned Christian – or Christian Zionist?) as evidence of genocidal intent. Lots of vitamin C and niacin are supposed to be good for curing paranoia. Take some and come back in a few weeks when you feel better.

  149. Carol Moore

    Can LNC members politely ask that Wayne Root NOT vote on any motions at the May LNC meeting? He can always say no, but I don’t think it’s “illegal” to ask…

  150. Carol Moore

    I see George Phillies says on LP Radicals Facebook page that LNC still has time to suspend him, if not kick him off.

  151. David Colborne

    Wayne, I’m relieved to see that you’re making the most of a bad situation. I think you and I would both agree that we’d prefer if you were never in it in the first place, but if you can pull the nose up and land this puppy without fireworks and casualties, I’ll call that a win, or at least a “net gain”.

    I look forward to listening to your next appearance on Bill Cunningham’s show and look forward to receiving your statement on this matter.

    Have a good Easter!

  152. Charles Lupton

    @Wayne

    Next time you comment on the two party race. You should throw in at the end, “However, if the LP manages to make the debate stage, all bets are off.”

  153. Joe

    Wayne,

    I’d like to see members of the LNC who are committed to advancing Liberty, not to figuring out whether the Republican or Democrat nominee might be better than the other one, or which one has the higher odds of getting elected.

    Advancing the cause of Liberty means voting for and supporting wholeheartedly Libertarian candidates even when the fear is that they might “take votes from Republicans and help Democrats.”

    We’re building here for the long term, and not throwing up our hands in April because we “can’t win” and then supporting whoever we all figure out is the least noxious of those left in the race.

    Secondly, I’m for one uncomfortable with your self-stated strategy towards conservatives.

    What happens when they “come over” and are then surprised (and likely offended) that we support PERSONAL LIBERTY as well — meaning ending the drug war, supporting the rights of every individual to do whatever they want to their bodies, no matter how disgusting or “immoral” it might appear to others, in bedrooms or elsewhere FREE from government snooping and arrest. All that ugly, offensive to the overtly religious stuff.

    Coming out of the convention it seems likely that we will have at least two strong voices in the media — yours (whether you’re reelected to the LNC or not), our nominee, and (perhaps) the vice-presidential nominee.

    Right now the song you’re singing in the media sure seems WAY out of tune with that of our most likely nominees.

    What seems more likely is that your campaign for 2016 has started already — discrediting Gary Johnson now to enhance your chances of gaining that nomination.

    Gary, in an interview I just read at:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/10-things-about-libertarian-presidential-candidate-gary-johnson/

    admits to,

    “having used cocaine on a handful of occasions.”

    He also says,

    “I don’t seek the counsel of God.”

    and

    “I haven’t gone to church since I finished my confirmation as a Lutheran.”

    and

    “I absolutely support a woman’s right to choose” — meaning “kill her unborn child from God” over there in your conservative media world.

    I imagine you’re going to be hammered lots more by those you might think are your friends in that world than you have been here . . . if you really come out with your wholehearted support of Gary or ANY of our other likely presidential nominees this year.

    Wayne, bottom like, it’s time to embrace and articulate the personal liberty philosophy that also derives from the non-aggression PRINCIPLE, IMO, or to stop presenting yourself as a representative of this Party.

    I realize you’ve earned the right to that based on the 2010 convention elections and perhaps you can win reelection to the LNC next month in Las Vegas so you can continue doing what you’ve been doing.

    But right now, as much as I like you personally (I’m happy to give you a ride from the SLC airport to Park City and listen to why you think I’m wrong anytime) and as much as I sincerely admire your drive and work-ethic, there’s no way I see supporting that.

    Terry @ 162 –“Who here hasn’t said something they have come to regret?”

    So far that would be Wayne. He’s explained it away (something understandable given his exhaustion and the rigors of multiple interviews, etc), but nothing I’ve seen even close to “regret” yet.

    >>My beloved LP often reminds me of High School.<<

    If you mean in terms of "seeking the opportunity of the moment" over "living a consistent principle based life," I'd have to agree.

    Something I see us working to correct here.

  154. Paulie

    Howdy folks,

    I am busy dealing with non IPR related matters at the moment and can’t get involved in this discussion very much but those of you reading this should also read

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/04/wayne-roots-clarification-of-cunningham-show-comments/ posted on behalf of Wayne by Aaron Starr.

    I also just got a call from Aaron disputing the headline of this post. As I understand it, this will be discussed on IPR’s email list.

    My best to everyone for their Easter, Passover, or Spring Equinox holiday of their choice.

    Paulie
    415-690-6352
    West Fargo, ND

  155. Alan Pyeatt

    DB @ 146: “He did NOT tell the audience to vote for Romney. Didn’t happen. To which quote in the interview are you referring? Headlines like that would get you kicked out of journalism school, Missy.”

    Me: Somebody obviously hasn’t read a newspaper lately.

  156. Alan Pyeatt

    Bruce Cohen @ 171: “And yes, Mister Deunsing, it does appear you are a Jew and Israel hater.”

    Good God, don’t you have anything else in your arsenal? Whenever somebody says something you don’t like, this is all you ever come up with. Does the word “paranoid” mean anything to you?

    BTW, I’m still waiting for you to back up your accusation that Jill and I lied, and that we’re Anti-Semites. Can’t do it, can you, Bruce?

  157. Aaron Starr

    Yes, Paulie, thank you for being willing to discuss this.

    Now, that we have had an opportunity to read the actual transcript below, it’s clear to me that the headline “Wayne Allyn Root Tells Radio Audience to Vote for Romney” is not a fair representation of what was actually stated in the transcript:

    “I, I think the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected, and, and that means, in my mind, I mean I would, listen, I’d love if a Libertarian like Gary Johnson, the two-term governor of New Mexico, would actually get elected President, but I think we all know that’s not going to happen, so therefore it’s gotta be Romney, there’s no choice, and then unfortunately, the good news is Romney stops Obamacare I hope, and, I hope, and stops, you know, the incredible bankruptcy of America and the looting of taxpayers a, a little bit, slows it down so we don’t go right off a cliff, but unfortunately Bill I don’t have a lot of hope that he turns this around and saves America, cause to me he seems like a big government north-east liberal compared to Obama who’s a Marxist, so I mean between those two choices, yeah, I guess the lesser of the two evils is certainly Romney but they’re both bad choices, and that’s the problem I have, it’s big government guys on both sides.”

  158. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Since one of the writers here at IPR (Bruce Cohen) is allowed to continue to post totally unfounded, untrue things about my character with no censoring by IPR, I find it laughable that a straightforward title is being nitpicked. Wow, what a double standard.

  159. Carol Moore

    Geez, Aaron, the whole danged statement smacks of, we gotta vote for Romney, no matter how bad he is.

  160. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    And, speaking of titles, it certainly would be refreshing to read: “Wayne Allyn Root Apologizes for Misrepresenting/Embarrassing the Libertarian Party”. However, THAT would be an incorrect title, because that’s not what Wayne’s rebuttal said.
    Instead, just spin, spin, spin.

  161. JT

    I think the title is accurate as well.

    Wayne starts out by saying “the important thing now is to make sure Obama is not elected.” So right off the bat he’s saying that voting Libertarian isn’t the paramount concern; voting for someone who can defeat the “Marxist” Obama is. That person, he goes on to state, is Romney, despite the fact that Romney isn’t a good candidate either & Gary Johnson would be a better President. Ergo, he’s advocating voting for Romney.

    Seems pretty clear to me (though Wayne’s hemming & hawing masks it a bit).

  162. NewFederalist

    “People anxious to be deceived are easy dupes.”
    – The Grand Duke Alexander of Russia (1931)

  163. Robert Capozzi

    FWIW, I’d say “Implies” is a bit closer than “Tells”…

    “Inadvertently Implies” might be even closer to what he meant.

  164. Joe

    The additional comments posted by Arron Star show that the title of this article IS accurate.

    In the additional comments Wayne says:

    “the lesser of the two evils is certainly Romney but they’re both bad choices,”

    He also says, “it’s big government guys on both sides.”

    That’s the mindset — there are two sides. Not three.

    This is FINE commentary for ANY human being who is NOT on the Libertarian National Committee.

    It’s like me being on the national committee for the Boy Scouts and saying:

    “While both the 4-H and High School football team are terrible, and I’d like to see the Boy Scouts win, but we all know that’s not possible, you should join the football team because 4-H is slightly worse and there’s no choice.”

    Who says that sort of thing when they’re on the national committee of something?!?!?

    Joe

  165. Aaron Starr

    Jill @192

    I stand by my statement that your title is unfair.

    It is my hope that the other IPR writers will also come to the conclusion that it needs to be changed.

  166. Steven Wilson

    I think many here are just being innocent. Even if a political speak blunder occurred, Root did stand next to Sarah Palin in Nevada. He has mentioned the worth of Chris Christie as Repub nomination.

    His PR scheme is transparent to me.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/w-technologies-inc-ceo-wayne-201500768.html

    He needs fresh capital. Root may be many things, but he is not a fool. His career is about the show he puts on.

    He said he was a Reagan Libertarian. How did Reagan respond to allegations of his military activity abroad?

    The radio show was taped and you can hear him say it. He got paid for what he does. Why are so many of you angry/surprised?

  167. Alan Pyeatt

    Don’t know why any Libertarian wouldn’t want to be associated with the only president in American history whose administration was caught red-handed selling missiles to an admittedly terrorist nation, and then covering it up to keep it from Congress!

    And no, I’m not surprised.

  168. Mike B.

    ***Warning***

    Your LP has been infected with: RootWare.

    This Trojan Horse virus masquerades as
    W.A. R., White Angry Republican.

    This virus also goes by the name LINO
    (Libertarian In Name Only).

    Reboot now or else it will destroy your
    LP principles.

  169. Ayn R. Key

    If Brucie-girl is going to go around accusing everyone of religious bigotry, perhaps someone should ask his opinion of other, smaller religions.

    Such as how he told me rather profusely that pagans have no place in the LP because our religion is too weird and drives people away.

  170. Alan Pyeatt

    To me, this whole escapade just underscores how well Gary Johnson has handled himself since joining the LP.

    Whether you agree with Johnson’s views or not, he has at least tried to be one of us, and not to remake the party in his own direction, as WAR stated in the “Seven” magazine interview. Meanwhile, WAR has proven to be one of the most divisive forces in our entire party.

  171. Alexander S. Peak

    In the following comments, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Root as a person; I do mean disrespect to him, however, as an elected representative of my political party.

    Mr. Alex Avery says, “This makes me sick…”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. John Jay Myers writes, “[T]his is just one more reason that I say the more media appearances Wayne touts, the worse off this party is,” and “Wayne needs to resign. He doesn’t understand the concept of the Libertarian Party, or why it needs to exist. ”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. Steven Berson writes, “Absolutely disgusting move and seriously retarded one at that. … [T]o me it is completely obvious that [Root] is a Republican infilitrator [sic] and not a Libertarian with these remarks.”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. Michael H. Wilson says, “Time to resign Wayne.”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. Wayne Allan Root writes, “FISCAL CONSERVATISM…which is Libertarianism.”

    I do not entirely agree. Fiscal conservatism is only one component of libertarianism. It is not itself libertarianism.

    Mr. Root also claims that Obama is a Marxist. While I would not object to someone calling him a socialist, he is definitely not a Marxist, and not even a Marxian, really.

    All I can say is, thank heavens Mr. Root was not a spokesperson for the LP when I first started looking into it. Back then, I was a brain-dead modern so-called “liberal,” and the sort of things Mr. Root says would have obviously driven me into the hands of the anti-libertarian so-called “left.” Thank Heavens there were people like Harry Browne and Mary Ruwart writing things that respectfully challenged my flawed views and compelled me to consider the libertarian alternative with an open mind. Sadly, Mr. Root is no Harry Browne.

    Also, Mr. Root says that he is usually introduced as “Mr. Libertarian” in interviews. This greatly depresses me. Murray Rothbard was called “Mr. Libertarian. ” Wayne Allan Root is no Rothbard.

    Mr. Wes Wagner writes, “I know if I were chairperson [of the LP], I would [ask Root to resign]. And if [Root] said no, I would ask again in public.”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. David Colborne writes, “However, you’re not just Wayne Root anymore. You’re not ‘Wayne Root, former Vice-Presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party.’ You’re all that, plus a currently serving member of the LPCC and the LNC. Consequently, when you speak, it carries the weight of the LP behind you. You just basically said, ‘A member of the ruling body of the Libertarian Party stated that our best chance for freedom is to vote for Romney.'”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. Stewart Flood writes, “I have always said, and I will always say and will always BELIEVE that you can’t simply vote for the lesser of two evils. That is playing into their game. If you believe in change and believe that the libertarian message is the right message then you should stand up for your beliefs and cast your vote for the candidate you believe will do the best job.”

    I agree 100%.

    Everything that Mr. Robert Capozzi wrote at #27 seemed reasonable enough.

    Dr. George Phillies writes, “President Obama is a Marxist? That claim echoes across the media as yet another Republican paranoid psychotic fantasy, up there with claims that Obama was born in Jakarta, Kenya.”

    I agree 100%.

    Dr. Phillies also writes, “When you vote for a Republican, you are voting for wars of aggression. You are voting for torture. You are voting for massive fiscal irresponsibility. You are voting for an American police state apparatus that reads our every email and listens to our every phone call.”

    I agree 99%.

    Mr. Bill Wood says, “Unbelievable! I will not cast a vote for the Republican or the Democrat! I will vote for the LP Candidate either Johnson or Wrights whichever wins the nomination.”

    I agree 100%.

    Mr. Mathew A Erickson III writes, “I hear every election year ‘I would vote Libertarian, but this election is just too important. Maybe next time.’ Wayne just reinforced that argument against us.”

    I agree 100%.

    bruuno says, “[I]t is counterproductive…for a leader of a political party that has potential appeal to both right and left to…utterly trash one side…with over the top hyperbole, whacko conspiracy theories, and insults.”

    I concur 100%.

    Mr. Root says, “In many interviews I tie it all back to LP being the only party that gets both sides of the equation right.”

    If I were an elected member of the LNC, an elected representative of the Libertarian Party, I would make this point in every political interview, not just in many of them. And I would not make some sort of excuse involving different hats.

    Harry Browne attacked both establishment parties equally.

    Harry Browne pointed out that, according to exit polls, he got as many votes from disenfranchised Democrats as he did from disenfranchised Republicans.

    Harry Browne was the man I regard most responsible for my being a libertarian today.

    What the LP needs now is another Harry Browne.

    Mr. Root, I am sad to say, is no Harry Browne.

    Mr. Root says, “I’ve done my job well…it’s why so many hosts say publicly they want to support me for President…as a Libertarian.”

    If Mr. Root has done his job well, then why is it that so few libertarians say they would ever support him for president? The fact that nonlibertarians support Root does not change the fact that libertarians, by and large, do not.

    In 2008, I held my nose and voted Barr/Root. I sincerely regret having done so. I voted for the lesser of three evils, when I should have voted my conscience. I should have written in “Ron Paul,” or “Penn Jillette,” or “Nobody.” Suffice it to say, I will not repeat my mistake.

    Mr. Root says, “I was asked as a pundit to discuss Obama vs Romney and tried to do a good deed by bringing up GJ in the conversation.”

    Were Harry Browne alive, he would be able to easily discuss Obama and Romney without making the implication that he hoped for one of them to win the election, so why cannot Mr. Root?

    Were Harry Browne alive, he would be able to easily discuss Obama and Romney while focusing on their respective flaws equally, so why cannot Mr. Root?

    Were Harry Browne alive, he would be able to easily discuss Obama and Romney without saying, “It’s got to be Romney, there is no choice,” so why cannot Mr. Root?

    Harry Browne would never have made that faux-pas. So why did Mr. Root?

    All I can say is, thank heavens Mr. Root was not a spokesperson for the LP when I first started looking into it.

    Mr. Root says, “I was not a representative of the LNC or LP doing a LP interview.”

    No, but Mr. Root was a representative of the LNC and the LP doing an interview. One doesn’t magically cease being a representative of the LNC or of the LP simply because the interview one engages in is not an “LP interview.”

    Mr. Root could have done that entire interview without bringing up the LP or its candidates, and he would not have necessarily done any disservice to the LP or its candidates. But in saying, “it’s got to be Romney there is no choice,” he inherently does do a disservice to the party he was elected to represent, as well as the candidates of said party, regardless of whether or not the interview could be labelled an “LP interview.” And it wasn’t simply a small disservice at that; it was a huge, humungous disservice.

    Mr. Root also says, “”Because of my efforts Bill has said on the air numerous times that he is a Libertarian now…or a Libertarian-conservative.”

    I admit I know nothing about Bill Cunningham, and am therefore in no position to judge whether or not he is now or has ever been a libertarian.

    But, I do know that calling oneself a libertarian on air numerous times does not make oneself a libertarian. Just look at Bob Barr. He called himself a libertarian on air numerous times, too; but, at the end of the day, he was a classical liberal at best, not a libertarian.

    I would have to look into who this Cunningham guy is and what he believes before I can judge whether or not he truly is a libertarian. Perhaps he has, and perhaps he has not. I have no basis to even guess.

    Mr. Root goes on to say, “[Bill Cunningham] has also said again and again that he would like to support me for President in the future.”

    I think it goes without saying that proclaiming one’s desire to vote for Mr. Root does not make oneself a libertarian.

    Again, I have no useful information with which to decide whether or not this Cunningham guy is actually now, or ever actually has been, a libertarian.

    Mr. Root writes, “But no one here wants to play the other 40 interviews with achievements like that.”

    And Mr. Root is correct. I have no intention of wasting my time listening to forty interviews. The fact remains that Harry Browne would never make a faux-pas like that.

    Mr. George Whitfield writes, “If Root wants to be a media commentator without having to represent the Libertarian Party then he should resign from the National Committee.”

    I agree 100%.

    Joe says, “[Root is] no more libertarian than Bob Barr,” and “[The LP is] NOT the new Republican Party of Reagan, or what the RP should have been.”

    I agree 100%.

    Seebeck writes, “If you’ve done so many by now you should have your shtick down pat as to not make such a fubar. Alternatively, if this was not a fubar and was how you really felt, then you have finally exposed yourself as what we’ve been saying you are all along.”

    I agree 100%.

    Joe writes, “The “Let’s compromise (or hide) our PRINCIPLE to have a chance of WINNING (whatever that means)” Barr/Root crowd have had their full measure of time. Let them go to the Democrats or Republican Liberty Caucus.”

    I agree 100%.

    Ayn R. Key writes, “If a libertarian is going to suggest going Republican for tactical reasons, why would that libertarian endorse Romney when Paul is still in the Republican primary race?”

    I agree 100%.

    Joe writes, “I’m printing up 2016 WAYNE ROOT FOR PRESIDENT Constitution Party bumper stickers. It’s time to corner that market. His God, Guns and Tax Cuts book will sell better over there, IMO.”

    Damn it! I wish I had thought of that! Now you’ve already cornered the market; I’m too late. :(

    Mr. Root writes, “[L]egalizing pot is exactly what America needs to pay down the deficit.”

    Oh, em, gee. Mr. Root is taking the liberal position when a more-libertarian, and thus better, position is available: re-legalisation without taxation.

    The SCOTUS has correctly noted that the power to tax is the power to destroy.

    (As for the U. S. federal state, it should default on its debts.)

    Mr. Flood writes, “I will, at this time, publicly call for his resignation from that committee. If he fails to resign, I will organize whatever action is required to remove him, even to the extent of asking for the LNC to disband the committee that we created and that I believe FEC regulations still consider a body under our jurisdiction.”

    I salute Mr. Flood for this.

  172. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    ASP @ 208: What a wonderful summation of the comments of passionate Libertarians.

    I challenge someone to put together a similar thread of passionate Libertarians who support Root in this latest brouhaha. It would help if we know the real name of the commenters, so we know it’s not the same person posting under several other made-up names.

  173. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    And, is it just me, or do others NOT get an apology out of Wayne’s article to IPR this morning? I’ve read it several times, and nowhere do I see an apology. Excuses, lots of them, but he’s still saying he didn’t say what he said, and he pats himself on the back at the same time. That certainly isn’t an apology to me.

  174. JT

    Starr: “I stand by my statement that your title is unfair.”

    Then perhaps you can point out the specific flaw in the logic in my post 197? I don’t see it.

  175. Wayne Root

    @210

    Jill,

    You say:
    I’ve read it several times, and nowhere do I see an apology.

    And I quote directly from my statement today:

    “I do apologize for any confusion my words caused.” Wayne

  176. Mark Axinn

    Quick question on lesser of two evils (my post at 176 already addresses the Libertarian response to this canard)–

    How is statist, foreign interventionist Mitt Romney any less evil than Obama? Given (1) that it is more likely than not that the Republicans will take Congress in November and (2) gridlock is good, if we were not supporting a Libertarian candidate (Lee, Gary, Carl, whoever), isn’t it better to have the Democrat win the White House? (The result would be more akin to Clinton’s last six years than Shrub’s eight.)

  177. Wes Wagner

    The title is entirely appropriate.

    So far Hinkle it seems has not asked Root for his resignation.

    I can assure you that by this point in time, were I chair, I would be asking in public, not private, if I had not already received it in a discrete manner.

    There are a few lines that cannot be crossed while you are sitting on the board of a political party. A mature party knows which those are and holds to them.

  178. NewFederalist

    “A mature party knows which those are and holds to them.”

    I think that says it all!

  179. Alan Pyeatt

    You just earned my vote, Wes.

    Don’t get me wrong; I like Mark Hinkle a lot. When he told the California Executive Committee that he was running for Chair, I said I would support him. I did, and I think he has done great things for our party. I like him very much personally, and have a lot of respect for his integrity. He remains my second choice for National Chair.

    But sometimes, you need a fighter. Wes Wagner has proved that he can (and will) do that. I’m on board, Wes.

  180. Alan Pyeatt

    What in the hell are you talking about, Robert? Are you REALLY equating the Rodney King beating with what’s going on in our party right now?

    Dammit man, George Washington was a fighter! Sam Adams was a fighter! And I’m proud to say, John Pyeatt and Jacob Pyeatt were fighters! When you’re being attacked, you need a fighter to protect you! Don’t even try to equate that with the Rodney King beating.

  181. Robert Capozzi

    219 ap, what’s going on is what’s always been going on, not just in the LP, but throughout human history. Fighting is the problem. Love is the answer. Or, as Saint King put it later, Can’t we all just get along?

    Truth needs no protection. Truth just is.

  182. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    RC, where we are in the LP now is self-defense. If we don’t defend our principles, our party will die (which may or may not have been the goal of some people). I’m not willing to give up yet without a fight.

  183. Alan Pyeatt

    “Truth needs no protection. Truth just is.”

    Tell it to the Powhatan. And the Arawak. and the Lucayans. And the Sara. And the Natchez. And the Appommattock. And the Manhattan. And the Patuxet. And the Timucuans. And the Tlaxcalan…

    Are you starting to get the picture?

  184. Kevin Knedler

    Interesting thread and discussion.
    Wayne, The Ohio LP would like to know what day you will be on the air again with Bill Cunningham. We want to listen to your next interview to set the record straight. We are all human and I would think that most of us have done boneheaded things . There are some on this thread that are Exhibit “A” for boneheads.
    That said, the Ohio LPO expects leadership at National, State, and Local levels to lead by example and “raise the bar” with expected performance standards. Believe me, I have beat that drum since I became OH state chair in 2007– we can’t tolerate sloppy or stupid behavior when are trying to dig ourselves out of the ditch and gain respect. The Ohio LP has been relentless in trying to build a credible “alternative” to the two old and tired parties from the 19th century. Feel free to quote me on that one. What other “choice” do we have? Voting for more of the same (R or D) is what has got this wonderful country into the fiscal mess we are in. If you are going at a stone wall at 150 mph (D)or 100 mph (R), you still hit the wall, and most likely die. I would suggest that the GOP plans to cut taxes and yet NOT cut spending actually put us deeper in a hole than if they had left the taxes in place. But that is another story.
    AND on another note, just yesterday THREE young men in the Ohio National Guard were killed in Afganistan by some lunatic suicide bomber. So what the heck are our National Guard troops doing in an undeclared war? They shouldn’t be over there. They didn’t sign up for tour after tour after tour of duty as part-time military personnel. WWII was one thing, but this is NOT WWII. If I was Governor of Ohio, I would stand up and try to find a way to refuse to send National Guard troops to foreign countries like Iraq and Afganistan. Send them anywhere in the USA, but not overseas unless we are facing a life-threatening situation like WWII.

    Kevin Knedler
    Ohio LPO Executive Committee Chair
    LNC At-Large member

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  186. Steven R Linnabary

    So what the heck are our National Guard troops doing in an undeclared war? They shouldn’t be over there. They didn’t sign up for tour after tour after tour of duty as part-time military personnel. WWII was one thing, but this is NOT WWII. If I was Governor of Ohio, I would stand up and try to find a way to refuse to send National Guard troops to foreign countries like Iraq and Afganistan.

    Damn, Kevin…lol

    You’re starting to sound like a candidate. Better look out, lol. Something you’ve said you couldn’t do.

    PEACE

  187. Andy

    “Harry Browne was the man I regard most responsible for my being a libertarian today.”

    Me too.

  188. Robert Capozzi

    221 jp: where we are in the LP now is self-defense.

    me: I’d say the best way to “defend” your principles is to share them.

    222 ap, really? Native American tribes facing physical challenges is in your mind analogous to the “fight” necessary to win the LNC Chair? How very Fight Club! When you realize that you’ve been fighting with yourself all along, you will then understand that truth needs no protection. It is, however, strengthened through its sharing….

    It can be helpful to identify untruth for what it is, though.

  189. paulie

    Since one of the writers here at IPR (Bruce Cohen)is allowed to continue to post totally unfounded, untrue things about my character with no censoring by IPR,

    Mr. Cohen has been removed as a writer for IPR by the site’s editor, Trent Hill. He continues to have the same commenting privileges as any other person leaving comments at IPR. The group of writers as a whole, Mr. Hill, or any individual IPR writer can remove comments, but we try not to do it except in egregious cases, usually following a pattern of abuse.

    Mr. Cohen has been highly argumentative about comments that he feels should be removed and others which he feels were removed unjustly. I personally do not like to spend a lot of time on those arguments, so I would rather leave those decisions to others, particularly when they have anything to do with Mr. Cohen one way or the other.

    I find it laughable that a straightforward title is being nitpicked. Wow, what a double standard.

    IPR headlines are a much bigger deal than IPR comments, since a lot more people read them.

    As for this headline in particular, if Mrs. Pyeatt and Mr. Starr continue to disagree as to its accuracy, they should appeal the case to the whole group of IPR writers via contact.ipr@gmail.com (I will CC iprtwo if and when I actually get the email), or directly to Mr. Hill, who makes the final call. They may feel free to copy me individually; if they do, I will do my best to suggest a mutually agreeable solution, if I think of anything.

    Otherwise, please defer to Mr. Hill and/or the group, as I have other matters that demand more of my attention at this time. Starting with seeing if I can find an old prescription for an asthma inhaler and filling it at the first opportunity to do so today.

  190. Kevin Knedler

    @ 225. Woops, I came out from behind the curtain-LOL. I give great candidate speeches in front of a mirror or while throwing things at my AM radio or television. My comments in #223 might never have seen light of day, if I had not joined the LP and LPO. Still on that journey.
    KJK

  191. paulie

    Ayn R. Key

    Brucie-girl

    The unspoken assumption here being that implying, correctly or not, that a man has feminine qualities is insulting, correct? If so, does that further imply that women are worth less then men? What if you called him “Brucie-darky” or if someone called him “Brucie-witch,” or what if someone called you “Jew Jason,” even though Bruce is not African-American or Pagan and you are as far as I know not Jewish…would that person be making a (perhaps unconscious, perhaps not) comment of his or her opinion of blacks, Pagans or Jews?

  192. paulie

    Voting for more of the same (R or D) is what has got this wonderful country into the fiscal mess we are in. If you are going at a stone wall at 150 mph (D)or 100 mph (R), you still hit the wall, and most likely die. I would suggest that the GOP plans to cut taxes and yet NOT cut spending actually put us deeper in a hole than if they had left the taxes in place.

    I think that the Republicans are taking us over the cliff faster than the Democrats in many ways. Whether it be military spending, the drug war, “homeland security” and its abuses of privacy, or quite a few other policies, they have been if anything worse than the Democrats.

    However, the Democrats have been terrible on those issues as well, just as Republicans have been terrible on issues where they are marginally slightly less terrible than the Democrats.

    When it comes to driving off the cliff, my sense is that they both have the pedal to the metal and the only difference is which front wheel goes off the cliff first.

  193. paulie

    Haven’t looked yet as to whether anyone answered this in the meantime

    is he up for re-election this cycle? How long is an “at-large” member elected for?

    All LNC positions are up for election every two years. Mr. Root’s current term on the LNC ends in less than a month.

    Regarding the prospects of Romney ending Obamacare, Mr. Etch-a-sketch introduced the idea in Massachusetts and then touted it as a model for other states. I don’t have much hope for him ending Obamacare (at the moment the Supreme Court case is relatively more promising). As far as the deficit goes, Republicans for at least the last 30 years have been the biggest culprits in running up deficits, at least until Obama came along, so I am not hopeful on that front either.

    Carla Howell, current executive director of the national LP, ran against Governor Rmoney and has this to say about him:

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/carla-howell/lp-monday-message-mitt-romney-big-government

    I recommend everyone here read or re-read the above and pass it on.

    See also

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/new-american-magazine-quotes-lp-executive-director-attacking-mitt-romneys-high-governmen

    Mitt Romney has rightfully earned his place on the

    http://www.lp.org/republican-wall-of-shame

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of President Obama either, but I do expect that he will probably beat Rmoney easily, unless Bloomberg or someone else from Americans Elect alters the dynamic of the race a great deal.

    Readers may also be interested in this article by Bill Redpath:

    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/don%E2%80%99t-waste-your-vote-vote-democratic

    I’m not agreeing with the implication that Marco Rubio is a true champion of liberty, but there is also this”

    http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarian-party-chair-urges-marco-rubio-withdraw-your-endorsement-of-mitt-romn

    Overall I find the prospects of Obama redux (AKA a fourth term for shrub) and Rmoney to be about akin to which kneecap I would prefer to have shot.

    I’m glad there will be other choices on the ballot, although the only one I currently rate as having any real likelihood of beating the big two – Americans Elect – may be just as bad or even worse.

  194. Tony Wall

    It is difficult enough for Libertarians to combat the wasted vote syndrome without having our ‘representatives’ condone it. To clarify Richard Winger’s direct question to Mr. Root, please re-read the answer. To ‘intend’ to support and ‘to’ support are entirely two different meanings. I intend to mow the lawn today doesn’t mean I’m going to mow the lawn today. Of course, we can say what we want to be heard in public and do whatever we wish once the curtain is pulled at the voting booth. Our party doesn’t need ‘representatives’ whom the membership has to question their motives and beliefs. To quote our current President, it is time for a change.

  195. Thomas L. Knapp

    Tony @ 233,

    “I intend to mow the lawn today doesn’t mean I’m going to mow the lawn today.”

    However, “Kelly told me to mow the lawn today” does mean that you’re going to mow the lawn today ;-)

  196. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Paulie@228 and Trent Hill: “Mr. Cohen has been removed as a writer for IPR by the site’s editor, Trent Hill”

    Thank you very much. Obviously, I think that was the right thing to do.

    As far as the title of this article, I will change it if the majority of the writers here thinks it is inappropriate. I quickly changed a title last weekend when Richard Winger pointed out it was misleading, and a commenter agreed. However, I don’t believe this is misleading, and there are four or five comments on this thread by people who agree with me. In doing a quick Google search, it appears the title has been picked up by 3 or 4 people in articles elsewhere, so I’m not sure my change would make much difference at this point.

  197. Andy

    “so I mean between those two choices, yeah, I guess the lesser of the two evils is certainly Romney but they’re both bad choices, and that’s the problem I have, it’s big government guys on both sides.”

    I think that Romney is just as bad as Obama. The only real choice is to vote for a minor party or independent candidate or to cast a write in vote, or to not vote in the Presidential election at all. The real “wasted” vote is a vote for Romney or Obama.

  198. George Phillies

    It is my understanding that Mary Ruwart has called Gary Johnson’s attention to the statement.

    Thanks to the internet, Johnson will get to listen to the entire interview for himself, and get to read this entire discussion.

    Readers will be astonished to learn that the LNC has some differences over this event.

    Meanwhile, thanks to John Roland, you can watch the Texas debate in the internet, too.
    It’s available through the Libertarians of Harris County Facebook page

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/374751239232159/377225728984710/

  199. Tony Wall

    Tom@234,
    You have brilliantly distinguished how words are used to circumvent a direct statement. Had I said “Kelly intends for Tony to mow the lawn today” is very different than “I intend to mow the lawn today.” The former is much more likely to happen than the latter. :-0

  200. Seebeck

    Flood @114:

    Sorry, but using timing in relation to the convention as an excuse to be hypocritical on the issue (see also The Keaton) doesn’t wash. Root could always get re-elected, you know.

    If the LNC went after Keaton for a tank-top and spekaing her mind, then the consistent thing to do is to go after Root for going beyond the implicit into the explicit.

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    So pardon me while I sit back and laugh how the chickens have come home to roost. Those of us who knew better warned you, and we were ignored. Who’s laughing now?

  201. paulie

    Trent Hill via email:

    Yes, I think that’s exactly what he said. He discounted the possibility of Gary Johnson winning and therefore getting your vote, and said he’d suggest people vote for Romney. The headline is fair.

    There is still continuing discussion on the IPR email list.

    The only alternative suggestion I have seen so far has been “”Wayne Root Makes Controversial on Air Statement About Romney”

    I’m not saying that Jill would agree to change the title, and it sounds like she does not want to, but for those of you who want to change the title, what would you change it to?

  202. Seebeck

    Richard @126: All of Wayne’s comments on this thread have more spin on them than a laundromat at rush hour, and he clearly is trying to do damage control, and n doing so is making himself look even worse.

  203. paulie

    I’m not as inclined as some here to make this into a pissing match with Wayne.

    I’m hoping his next appearance will be an improvement. I think it probably will be.

    I’m hoping more LP members who make the case that Republicans are not the lesser evil, but just as evil or two faces or facets of the same evil, are spurred by this to book more media appearances, write more letters to the editor, make more calls to radio stations, speak at more public meetings, knock on more doors, etc, etc to make that case.

    I don’t always agree with Wayne, and I don’t agree that Romney is the lesser evil. What’s more, I think lesser evilism in general needs to be dispelled, not played into.

    However, I do admire the amount of work that Wayne does to promote his viewpoint to the general public. I can only repeat once again my hope that all the good LP members and supporters here who agree with me that Romney is not the lesser evil will use this to spur them to make that case even more than they have already to non-LP audiences. That is where our focus needs to be.

    There will be an LNC election next month, and we can see what delegates think then. I don’t see what good a lame duck LNC in its last few weeks can achieve by discussing which members they will vote off the island that is about to be reshaped by a volcano eruption, or at least a new season’s cast.

  204. Joe Buchman

    Paulie,

    “I don’t see what good a lame duck LNC in its last few weeks can achieve by discussing which members they will vote off the island that is about to be reshaped by a volcano eruption, or at least a new season’s cast.”

    I disagree. I think the LNC reprimanding one of their own over comments such as the ones Wayne has made — namely a pattern of endorsing/praising/settling for Republicans over Libertarians — would do a lot of good before the convention.

    In the past I’ve admired and publicly praised Wayne’s work ethic and efforts. Where he did harm, I also felt he did more good than harm. But I’ve now reached a tipping point.

    I’ve read his various weekly to daily emails, I’ve reviewed his last several months of Facebook posts, I’ve looked at all the media links I can find, including an article here on IPR that linked to some a few months ago, and have concluded that they do not support LP or the advancing of Liberty generally.

    Most of the time the ONLY reference to the LP is in Wayne’s byline/titles.

    I reread a comment I posted here several months ago along the lines of — “Of course I support Americans supporting Israel, so long as we don’t borrow money from China, or tax them to do so.”

    That seemed an obvious part of Libertarianism that Wayne had missed, or misunderstood.

    But my conclusion from reviewing the above, and one I was increasingly leaning toward over the past several months/year of reading Wayne’s various links to his article which he sent it — There’s NO bridge building by Wayne from the TEA Party/conservatives when the version of the LP he’s selling is so disconnected from the core of (what I believe are) our fundamental politics (derived from the non-aggression principle).

    Instead there’s what appears to me to be a bridge being built from conservative Republicans to an island created by Wayne’s spin on Libertarianism that I don’t support. No problem if he’s doing that as a Libertarian, or as a “Libertarian-Republican” or as a “Common Sense-Libertarian.”

    BIG problem when he’s doing that as a member of the LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE. Then it becomes the equivalent (I hope) of a lie. Of our representatives being dishonest.

    I’d like to see the LNC deal with THAT before the convention and I do think it would do a lot of good.

    Joe

    PS Wayne, if you’re reading this you might want to update your personal (non-fan) Facebook page which declares you are running for the 2012 LP nomination, and has several other broken, or out of date links as well.

    You might also want to take position that builds a bridge to real Libertarianism, (I’d suggest reviewing Gary Johnson’s recent media quotations, and coming into alignment with those as a start). If you do that, I’m not opposed to the possibility of praising what you’re doing again. It’s not all bad. It’s good enough for a self-identified Libertarian/Libertarian-Republican/”Common-Sense-Libertarian. It’s just not good enough for a member of the LNC. At least not in my opinion.

  205. George Phillies

    @245 The most important thing that a mail motion now will do is to force a recorded vote before the convention, so that party members will know who lies where on the issues.

    There is a legitimate Roberts’-type issue with censuring a member.

    The valid answer is a motion to suspend.

    Of course, you will need a rep with the gonadal fortitude to submit the motion.

  206. Seebeck

    George @245:

    Don’t hold your breath. They’re still busy trying to figure out how to defend the indefensible floor fee, cover for the COC bad planning, as usual, and trying to figure out how to implement Carling’s latest floor voting fiasco like they tried (and failed miserably by mass acclamation) last time.

    (P.S. There’s way too many jokes that can be made about the Convention Oversight Committee when referred to in acronym form. I’ll be nice and not go there. :-) )

  207. Stewart Flood

    gonadal fortitude? Several of us have asked for his resignation from the LNCC. I am not sure that we can pass a motion that would cause him to resign.

    My reading of the bylaws (and of course I may be wrong in my interpretation) would indicate that since this happened less than a month before the end of the term we would not have time to schedule a hearing and give him proper notice to defend himself.

    An email ballot to suspend or remove someone without giving them a hearing would probably not pass a review by the JC.

    I agree that this was a very serious offense. The majority of the LNC believe that he either made a mistake or see nothing wrong with what was said. Only a few of us are calling for his resignation.

    Yes, he has apologized, but as a “professional” in the media industry who has hosted radio and tv shows in the past, he has no excuse for the “mistake” defense. In more than 2000 hours of radio, I never did anything even remotely like what he did. (Yes, a caller did drop the f-bomb once, but my producer and I changed the subject so quickly while the caller “disappeared” that even the PD didn’t know it had happened until we told him the next day)

    You can’t put forward that type of message in that rapid an interview without having prepared it in advance. I’ve interviewed hundreds of politicians. You almost always spend 30 seconds in the break discussing the topic to be discussed.

    That is why this is so serious an issue. Accident? Not f-bomb’n likely!!!

  208. Jake Witmer

    People here seem to think that GJ will be coronated as the LP candidate. People here are excoriating wayne for advocating compromise at too early a stage, and not as a “stop gap” measure. All that criticism is fair, but I think driving Wayne out of the LP for a minor mistake like this would be totally stupid. He does a lot, and he generally speaks to a demographic that’s less enlightened than Ron Paul’s core demographic. That’s a demographic we want to come our way, if possible. Wayne has had a lot of success with that demographic.

    Others favor different approaches, very few others are as active as Wayne.

    Do all the people here criticizing Wayne also criticize Gary Johnson? Objectively, he’s far less libertarian than Wayne.
    1) Wayne has called for the abolition of the Fed –Gary has indicated he would not abolish the Fed.
    2) Wayne would never support the nanny state NYC calorie labeling law. GJ stated on the late night Fox show “Red Eye” that he supports that law.
    3) Wayne came around (from his R days), taking a libertarian position against torture and for jury rights, and therefore doesn’t support the existence of GITMO (a US taxpayer supported prison camp in a MARXIST communist country), and does support due process. GJ says that GITMO is necessary, though he does want the torturing to stop (without mentioning how he’d hold the torturers accountable and actually make that happen).
    4) GJ pardoned 123 people in NM for victimless crimes. In many interviews, he indicates that that was all the people who deserved a pardon. BULLSH*T.
    5) Wayne Root supports ending the income tax, and replacing it with nothing, as does Ron Paul. Gary Johnson supports “the Fair Tax” –a scheme that’s potentially worse than the income tax in the mid-long term.

    If you have a problem with Wayne Root, you should have a thousand problems with Gary Johnson. …But don’t let principles stand in your way. The LP membership is a joke.

    At least Wayne is leading the charge to create a competitive organization within the now totally-corrupted LP.

    For the above (and many more) reasons, I’m voting for RJ Harris at the LP Convention.

    Now, will I vote for GJ if he’s the nominee? Probably. …But we will have —for the 2nd time— missed a golden opportunity to capitalize on the Ron Paul r3VOLution. Barr was a tyrant, and he ran a terrible campaign. What do you think Johnson will do, putting his foot in his mouth every other interview, and in-debt to his GOP campaign $200K?

    Again: PRINCIPLE BEFORE PARTY.

    If you want the LP to be a success, RUN FOR STATE LEGISLATURE, WALK YOUR DISTRICT, AND _WIN_.

    Everything else is a circle-jerk.

  209. Seebeck

    Flood @249:

    How far out from the convention it is is irrelevant. If Root gets called to carpet and is removed from the LNC by vote and then is not re-elected at convention then the case becomes moot and he doesn’t get reinstated because his term ran out and he was not re-elected. If he gets re-elected in the interim then the case proceeds accordingly. If he insists the case go forward after not being re-elected then he wins zero because he can’t be reinstated to an office he was not re-elected to.

    Note the glaring hole in the bylaws that a LNC member does not have to be in good standing as a LPUS member to be elected.

    Note also the LNC can simply censure Root and report the incident to the membership at the convention as well, leaving it in their hands. That’s the LNC’s compromise out if they still buy into the “time-constrained” baloney.

    The real question is what George said. Timing is an excuse.

  210. Jake Witmer

    Oh, and BTW: Romney dismissively laughed at Dave Ridley of the Ridley Report when Ridley asked him if he wanted to abolish the federal reserve. That’s all you need to know about Romney, the “fiscal conservative.” He derisively laughs at the idea of ending our enslavement to our central bank masters. He is exactly as bad as Obama on fiscal issues: both of them serve the central bank, neither of them serve the American people. Gary Johnson, who claims Atlas Shrugged as his favorite book, (the book he gave to his fiance and then claimed that the book would help her understand him), would continue the post of “economic dictator.”

    Vote principle. Vote RJ Harris. End the Fed. http://www.rjharris2012.com

  211. Jake Witmer

    The more active libertarians are, the more people with similar approaches can form networks that occupy/reach surrounding philosophical territory. Root is very active at performing outreach to center and right libertarian-leaning fiscal conservatives. Good for him. I don’t like some of the things he says, but the things he says are almost always better than the default silence. This was a mistake, and he apologized for it.

    If only every person criticizing Wayne got on just one TV or radio show, much less the thousands Wayne has been on, they wouldn’t need to criticize Wayne: they’d be too busy decontrolling from their elected offices.

  212. Michael H. Wilson

    re Jake Witmer @ 250. Wayne Root has a responsibility as defined in Article 3 of the LP by-laws and from what I have seen he has not lived up to that responsibility. Between that failure and this recent event it would seem to me that anyone with eyes could tell he has not advocated for the LP and should resign or not be re-elected.

    In short he ain’t doing his job.

  213. Stewart Flood

    I am not trying to find an excuse to avoid doing something about Mr Root.

    Believe me, I have wasted many hours this past weekend debating the issue with other LNC members. I do not see enough support to get even a majority vote, and certainly not enough for a 2/3 vote.

    I have given the chair notice that I wish to have 30 minutes of our (two hour) meeting on the agenda to address the LNCC and Mr Root’s membership on it. That will only take a majority, not two thirds.

    I do not currently know if this can be accomplished, since a majority will need to agree to oust him from it by shutting it down and reconstituting it, but the place to do it is in Vegas.

  214. New Liberty for America

    There are two separate perspectives on the mail ballot, and they are both valid.

    Stewart is thinking of this in terms of mobilizing a needed majority for suspension, which as he entirely correctly notes will almost certainly not happen. I agree with his nose counting estimate. I am thinking in terms of having a mail ballot to put on the record how people voted, to help clarify the minds of voters at NatCon about the suitability of different candidates for the next LNC.

  215. George Phillies

    Yes, the new LibertyForAmerica.com magazine issue is up.

    With respect to the floor fee issue, there is now Lieberman claiming the petition is dubious because Mary Ruwart signed it, even though there are more than enough signatures and JC members cannot but have noted — if they were interested — what he position was, whether she signed or not.

  216. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    It would be phenomenally disrespectful to blow off the petition. I hope everyone on the LNC takes it seriously. Apparently they’ve forgotten that they were elected to serve us, the members of the Libertarian Party.

    (Yes, I know many of them don’t care and probably laugh at what I just said. But, I know Wayne and Aaron at least are reading this thread. Voting to allow the Judicial Committee to allow reviewing floor fees might be a relatively painless way to earn some points back).

  217. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    SF @ 255: Even if we don’t get get Wayne removed, which would be my vote, if you have some time to talk about his misdeeds there might be less of a chance he’ll be re-elected as an At-Large member.

    Frankly, if Wayne starts to think he might won’t win, he won’t even run. Seriously, just like he’s not running for President in 2012.

  218. Chuck Moulton

    George Phillies wrote (@258):

    Yes, the new LibertyForAmerica.com magazine issue is up.

    I appreciate your reporting (which brings more transparency to the LNC), but it’s unbelievable that you continue to spell “Stewart Flood” wrong.

  219. Joe Buchman

    @259 — One of Wayne’s websites (I don’t remember which) calls for a tax on the states to replace the income tax.

  220. Joe Buchman

    What is sounds like when a Libertarian is interviewed in conservative media.

    (with apologies for also posting this in the other WAR thread) . . .

    Note: This is what I heard when I started my car tonight — had the Sirius/XM tuned to FOX and . . .

    Hannity, FOX News, 9 April 2012;

    JOHN STOSSEL ENDORSES GARY JOHNSON (and RON PAUL)

    Available for purchase at:

    http://radio.foxnews.com/podcast/sean-hannity-tv-show/#premium

    31:50

    Hannity: Here’s what I think happens (with) free market competition. Parents learn about where the good schools are. And they are going to fight to get their kids in there.

    Stossel: And word will get out, who the good teachers are and since we’re spending $12,000 per student, good teachers will make $300,000 a year!

    Hannity: And they will do a lot better without the stranglehold of government though. Are you a Libertarian?

    Stossel: 100 percent!

    Hannity: So who are you going to vote for in this election?

    Stossel: Ron Paul.

    Hannity: You will? What if he’s not in the general election?

    Stossel: Gary Johnson.

    Hannity: Oh, good grief, that’s a . . . that’s a half a vote for Obama.

    Stossel: Well, I know you disagree with me on that. But look, I am a Libertarian. I believe in these guys. They are the only ones who really want to limit government.

    Hannity: I know; we’ve got to legalize dope . . . pot.

    Stossel: Legalize everything between consenting adults.

    Hannity: You and I have had that battle before.

    Stossel: Let’s have it again!!

    32:40.

  221. Wes Wagner

    NF @265

    Stossel is more libertarian than conservative, for sure.

    Judge Napolitano is more of a structuralist constitutional conservative than libertarian in my opinion. Considering that most modern republicans have devolved down into the fascist quadrant … by comparison he looks really good.

    Whereas Stossel would be willing to endorse a libertarian candidate, I doubt you would see Napolitano actually do it.

    He knows we are not a right-leaning party. Stossel also knows we are not a right-leaning party.

    Root on the other hand… seems to have not figured that one out yet…

  222. Andy

    “Judge Napolitano is more of a structuralist constitutional conservative than libertarian in my opinion.”

    I think that you are probably incorrect about this. I’ve heard Andrew Napolitano say that all taxation is theft. This is an arachist statement rather than a constitutional conservative statement.

    For that matter, I’ve heard Stossel talk about the Constitution (as in that the government should actually follow it).

  223. Wes Wagner

    Andy @268

    I have heard libertarians make the same argument that we should follow the constitution … which when it is in alignment with what you believe it is a great argument to make. Just because you appeal to it, does not necessarily mean you think the structure is sound — but most people will ask that the terms of a contract be enforced as they currently exist when those terms are in their favor. It does not mean they are disinclined to renegotiate the contract. RE: Stossel

    RE: Napolitano — I will need to look into more of his content to see if I can find the anarchist undertones you are suggesting.

  224. Wes Wagner

    LG @267

    Yes, and that is actually the futility of the “reform” factions long-term plan. In theory if you somehow transformed the LP into a right-leaning organization, you will constantly face insurgency as people who you recruit start to do independent research and begin to realize that the core of their natural predisposition towards human equity is not within alignment with a right-leaning conservative platform.

    A political organization cannot inherently build its position outside of the support structure of its foundation and not eventually expect the structure to collapse.

    The moment the center of gravity moves outside of that boundary …. poof… gone.

    This is a constraint of the natural system — and you cannot manage past it. The attempts to do so are a significant contributing factor to the organization’s decline.

    Political parties exist upon axioms, and are by natural axiomatic. Any movement away from the axiom creates friction. That friction can become overcome by corruption and money … but those resources become available after success is acheived, not before.

    So if enterprise corruption is the viable strategy for holding this new version of libertarianism together, the reform faction has put the cart before the horse.

  225. Robert Capozzi

    269 ww: …anarchist undertones…

    me: Strikes me that this concept is nonsensical. Like pregnancy, either one is an anarchist — believing that statelessness is both desirable and sustainable — or not. The only exception that I’ve been able to imagine is to be a “theoretical asymptotic anarchist,” meaning that statelessness is neither desirable nor sustainable now, but that it might be in the future.

  226. Robert Capozzi

    270 ww: Political parties exist upon axioms, and are by natural axiomatic.

    me: Evidence?

  227. Joe Buchman

    Wes @270 and ALL,

    “Political parties exist upon axioms, ”

    Correct me if I’m wrong here, please — but I gather our axiom, or at least the axiom that IMO must be that from which we derive our politics, is the non-aggression Principle.

    That, for example (as one way of expressing it), found in (what is sometimes called) Natural Law:

    No human being has the right to initiate force or the threat of force against another human being ever — (no matter how “good” the outcome might seem in the moment).

    (NOTE: I don’t include fraud here. Human beings are responsible, IMO, for being informed, wary, discerning . . . But there is a potential legal cause of action after the fact for theft or injury deriving from the initiation of fraud.)

    Is that what you see as the (ideal) Libertarian Party Axiom?

    (I ask, in part, because it sure seem to me, as a body, our LNC has drifted to the very edge of a sustainable center of gravity (as you put it) on that foundation.)

    Thanks,

    Joe

  228. Eric Sundwall

    @271 – Try this one;

    The state is not legitimate, nothing in terms of desirable or viable need follow. It is simply rejected on the basis of legitimacy. Whether statelessness is desirable or sustainable in the future is irrelevant in terms of the legitimacy question. One need not defend an order or lack of one when making the case against legitimacy.

  229. Robert Capozzi

    274 es, “legitimacy,” like “morality,” is an opinion. States exist.

    Being a compassionate person, I do advocate Nonarchy Pods for those who reject the “legitimacy” of the State.

    One need not defend reality for reality to be, either.

  230. Wes Wagner

    BH @276 is correct… there are a huge number of ideological factions that are considered libertarian ideologies that all have different reasons, frameworks, scope of a state.

  231. paulie

    People here seem to think that GJ will be coronated as the LP candidate.

    It does look that way if the field remains the same.

    1) Wayne has called for the abolition of the Fed –Gary has indicated he would not abolish the Fed.

    Gary Johnson at ontheissues.org
    Ending the fed OK, but that’s only part of the solution

    Q: Is it your position that we should audit, not end, the Federal Reserve–that ending the Fed may be desirable but not immediately realistic?
    A: I think ending the Federal Reserve would be positive but if we end the Fed it’s important to point out that that’s not the end of the solution. A lot of the central banking function would have to be taken up by regional banks.
    Source: Interview by Scott Holleran on scottholleran.com blog , Aug 21, 2011

    http://silverunderground.com/2011/11/fed-news-friday-my-interview-with-gop-candidate-gary-johnson-on-monetary-policy-and-the-federal-reserve-the-solution-is-to-stop-printing-money/

    Fed News Friday: My Interview with GOP Candidate Gary Johnson on Monetary Policy and the Federal Reserve: “The solution is to stop printing money.”

    On The Federal Reserve, Fed Transparency, and End the Fed:

    “I would, of course, abolish the Federal Reserve if given the opportunity, but ending the Federal Reserve is not the cure-all. If we ended it tomorrow, the Treasury could start printing money. I think the issues that surround the Federal Reserve really have to do with transparency, I think there should be 100% transparency. I think they should revert to their original mandate, which is price stability, which means a strong dollar. I think that interest rates are currently zero because if they were any higher than that, we would experience a monetary collapse… and I think the Federal Reserve is the reason behind all of what is happening [to the economy].”

  232. paulie

    Wayne Root supports ending the income tax, and replacing it with nothing, as does Ron Paul.

    Ron Paul’s detailed near term plan does not call for immediately abolishing the income tax and replacing it with nothing, and I don’t think Wayne would support that drastic of an immediate step either.

    See

    http://www.lncc.org/issues/national-sales-tax/

    As with many other issues where Gary Johnson takes what appear to be less radical positions than e.g. Root and Paul, it is often because they are discussing different time frames. I have heard Johnson indicate that he supports many radical libertarian positions in a philosophical sense, but feels it is more productive to discuss where we may hope to start changing policy in the near term if we were to win places at the table in a divided government that starts out with the status quo as a starting point.

    Johnson, Root and Paul all may eventually want to replace the income tax with nothing, but they have somewhat different paths they want to take to get there and different time frames they discuss with different audiences at different times.

    Ron Paul has said that he thinks the so-called fair tax is better than what we have now. If the LNCC page above represents Root’s opinion, he evidently agrees. I on the other hand disagree with all of them and think that particular scheme would actually make things worse.

  233. paulie

    GJ pardoned 123 people in NM for victimless crimes. In many interviews, he indicates that that was all the people who deserved a pardon.

    Actually I have heard some conflicting statements from him on pardons (most were other people quoting him, though). For example

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/12/johnson-campaign-contacting-lnc-members-wayne-root-involved-in-recruitment/comment-page-5/#comment-728694

    Rob Power
    outrightusa.org

    Since I had earlier in this thread mentioned my misgivings about Gary Johnson as an LP candidate, I’d like to say that he has addressed my concerns, and I’m glad to be a supporter. From the announcement of the party switch that specifically mentioned his support to marriage equality, to his clarification at the Manhattan LP convention that he did in fact pardon non-violent drug convicts and would end the practice of detention without trial (regardless of citizenship) in Guantanamo, he has answered all of my questions to my satisfaction.

    So, what’s the real story on Gary Johnson and pardons?

  234. paulie

    If you have a problem with Wayne Root, you should have a thousand problems with Gary Johnson. …Now, will I vote for GJ if he’s the nominee? Probably. …But we will have —for the 2nd time— missed a golden opportunity to capitalize on the Ron Paul r3VOLution.

    I’m not as negative on Johnson, although I too have my reservations.

    I like the fact that he could have the ACLU include him in their ratings and rate him higher than all the other candidates, and that he can then go speak to the ACLU, spend his first twelve minutes on economic issues, and leave the room with them asking whether he would take too many votes away from Obama and help elect the Republicans.

    I like the heavy emphasis on peace and civil liberties issues on his blog, twitter and in most of the media clips and interviews I have seen and read.

    Here are the latest issue related headlines from Johnson’s blog:

    Help Me Debate The War On Drugs With Obama And Romney

    Gary Johnson, The Anti-war 2012 Candidate

    Gov. Johnson On Privacy

    Gov. Gary Johnson: Fed Raid On CA Legalization Advocate An Outrage

    I don’t think Johnson will be as arrogant and inept as the Barr campaign in handling Ron Paul.

    Also, Virgil Goode is a lot less in line with Ron Paul’s ideas than Chuck Baldwin, and Johnson’s record in office is much better than Barr’s. Therefore, I would rate Johnson as much more likely than Barr to get Ron Paul’s support. I would also rate Goode as much less likely than Baldwin to get Ron Paul’s support. Ron Paul may still not endorse either one, but if he does endorse I think Johnson has a better chance than Goode at getting the endorsement.

  235. paulie

    What do you think Johnson will do, putting his foot in his mouth every other interview, and in-debt to his GOP campaign $200K?

    Well, it looks like he is likely to get primary matching funds which will wipe out all or almost all of the debt, and his general election FR would quickly put him in the black even if it is only at the level of Barr, Badnarik et al. I do think he has some good FR potential once he gets the nomination compared to those candidates and we’ll see soon enough whether the wealthy VP rumors have any truth to them.

    As for media, the clips I have seen lately have been pretty good. Granted I have not seen all of them.

  236. paulie

    Oh, and BTW: Romney dismissively laughed at Dave Ridley of the Ridley Report when Ridley asked him if he wanted to abolish the federal reserve. That’s all you need to know about Romney, the “fiscal conservative.” He derisively laughs at the idea of ending our enslavement to our central bank masters. He is exactly as bad as Obama on fiscal issues: both of them serve the central bank, neither of them serve the American people.

    That’s only the tip of the iceberg with Rmoney, but yeah.

    Gary Johnson, who claims Atlas Shrugged as his favorite book, (the book he gave to his fiance and then claimed that the book would help her understand him), would continue the post of “economic dictator.”

    As far as I can tell Johnson’s position on the fed is not significantly different from Ron Paul’s. He would ultimately like to end it, but would settle for an audit and some reforms as a good starting point if that is more realistic in the near future.

  237. paulie

    Root is very active at performing outreach to center and right libertarian-leaning fiscal conservatives.

    Johnson’s been pretty good with ACLU, MSNBC and Colbert audiences.

    And many people here have done local media (which they should publicize more to the rest of us and which the LPHQ should share more with all of its website visitors, blog readers, newsletter subscribers, facebook fans, twitter followers, etc).

    While some here are driven to spend a great deal of their time criticizing Root and/or Johnson, and while both at times do deserve some criticism, I agree that leading by example is the best way to show everyone “how it should be done.”

  238. paulie

    With respect to the floor fee issue, there is now Lieberman claiming the petition is dubious because Mary Ruwart signed it, even though there are more than enough signatures and JC members cannot but have noted — if they were interested — what her position was, whether she signed or not.

    I don’t understand the logic here.

    If this is true, couldn’t have any one LNC member who supports the floor fee have signed the petition in order to invalidate every other signature on it? This sounds like the Mass “stray mark” ruling on initiatives, except even worse.

  239. paulie

    One of Wayne’s websites (I don’t remember which) calls for a tax on the states to replace the income tax.

    LNCC.org, which also mentions the so-called fair tax as another possible way to improve the tax system. See link above.

  240. JT

    Jake: “If you have a problem with Wayne Root, you should have a thousand problems with Gary Johnson.”

    Not necessarily. My main problem with Root is that he views only people on the political right as potential LP supporters and not people on the political left. I have the same problem with Libertarians who hold the opposite view. Aligning ourselves with one side exclusively and hurling invective at the other isn’t a good approach to advocacy, IMO.

    I’ve never heard GJ say that either progressives or conservatives are the enemy. I’ve heard Root do it repeatedly.

  241. Seebeck

    Flood @255:

    So essentially the majority of the LNC is spineless and unwilling to make the right call.

    Typical.

  242. KCTed

    I voted for Barr in 2008 which means I also voted for Root. This was a decision made after Ron Paul lost the nomination. I was disheartened to see Barr endorse Newt instead of Paul, or wait and endorse the LP candidate (presumed to be Johnson at this time). Do I now see a veiled endorsement for Romney from Root? (Yes, I realize that it may be out of context but words are ammo for opposition). Maybe not… I understand how things get turned around. Just get back on message and move on.

    Santorum just dropped out, probably because of GOP arm twisting to ensure him a political future. This has thrown a monkey wrench into Ron Paul’s campaign, but we shall see how it plays out. I will continue to support Paul until he gives up (or not) because his momentum grows, especially among young voters. His campaign sends many people to Google libertarian and/or Libertarian Party. That’s a big plus for both big L and little l.

    Before anyone replies that I’m not a “real Libertarian” I would like to mention I voted for Ed Clark in 1980. I don’t think I have ever voted for a candidate that actually won. That doesn’t bother me in the least. The LP should be assisting Paul’s efforts in as many ways as possible because any end result favors the future of the LP.

    I grow weary of seeing current confusion and divisiveness in the LP and desire to see the party get serious about our future. Leaders of the LP should guard their words in public to prevent them from being misconstrued. Enough said.

  243. Jill Pyeatt Post author

    Isn’t today the day Wayne’s second interview, the one where he’ll explain his words from the 6th, was supposed to be heard? Did anyone hear it?

  244. paulie

    Not yet, but I expect something will probably get emailed to us, posted as a comment, etc.

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