Newt Gingrich is the best choice for Libertarians, says Bob Barr

In an interview with The Daily Caller, the 2008 Libertarian Party presidential nominee, former Republican Congressman Bob Barr defends his decision to endorse former House Speaker Newt Gingrich for president, saying he is the best choice for Libertarians.

Barr explains “it’s not to say that other candidates like Ron Paul don’t have very good ideas” but Libertarians should back Gingrich because he has “an actual track record of accomplishing important conservative and libertarian goals” such as balancing the federal budget, cutting taxes, and reforming welfare.

On other issues, Barr defends Gingrich’s plan for moon colonization, but wishes the candidate would come out against the USA PATRIOT Act, and alter his foreign policy views.

Barr calls Libertarian Party frontrunner Gary Johnson, “an outstanding Governor of New Mexico” with “some very, very good ideas” but hopes  Johnson “would have a more organized and higher profile campaign.”

86 thoughts on “Newt Gingrich is the best choice for Libertarians, says Bob Barr

  1. Darryl W Perry

    Bob Barr’s tips for a Presidential campaign:
    1) do an interview with Borat and eat “tit cheese”
    2) snub Ron Paul during a press conference involving other “third party” candidates
    3) make sure you line item “limo service” on your FEC reports
    4) make wild claims about what you’ll accomplish as the nominee (don’t deliver on any claims)

    I may have these in the wrong order, and may be missing a few tips – feel free to expand the list.

  2. Steven R Linnabary

    Or die from disgust…

    Barr/Root seem determined to destroy the LP. Barr endorses Gingrich and claims Libertarians should support him, and the Root cabal decimates the Nevada LP, running no candidates against an appointed US Senator nor against the republican in the 2nd Congressional District.

    I’m seeing a pattern here.

    PEACE

  3. Andy

    Bob Barr is a disgrace to the Libertarian Party. Anyone who voted for him at the 2008 National Convention did our party a real disservice. This is disgusting.

  4. matt cholko

    I agree with Andy that Barr is a disgrace to the LP. It is absolutely incredible how terrible he has been.

    I wonder if he was able to keep a straight face when suggesting that he Gingrich was the best choise for libertarians? Is it possible that he actually believes that?

  5. just

    This is personal.

    Barr begged Paul for his endorsement in 2008, making several trips to Paul’s Congressional office to kiss the ring. That endorsement that never was was the linchpin of the campaign strategy.

    Barr is still bitter that Paul refused.

  6. Andy

    If Barr wasn’t going to endorse Ron Paul, he could have endorsed Gary Johnson, or he could have endorsed RJ Harris or one of the other candidates that is seeking the LP nomination, or he could have just not endorsed anyone.

    Endorsing a big government establishment politician like Newt Gingrich was the WORST thing that Bob Barr could do.

  7. Thomas L. Knapp

    The only real argument I can see for Newt as “the best choice for libertarians” is that nobody would be very likely to mistake him for one*, and therefore libertarians would not be blamed for his policies.

    In that respect, a Gingrich presidency would be far less damaging to libertarianism’s public image than the presidency of a big-government conservative whom the public perceives as “libertarian.”

    Tom Knapp

    * I mean honestly and competently mistake. If Gingrich wins the GOP nomination, Eric Dondero will no doubt pitch a fit, feint toward supporting the LP’s candidate, then decide that the election is JUST TOO IMPORTANT, found “Libertarians for Gingrich,” and in retrospect portray Gingrich as the bastard love child of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand, defeated by the machinations of secret Muslim cyborgs working assiduously in the basements of polling places, etc.

  8. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    Three of a Kind ! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVi45vfA6o&feature=digest_thu

    LeRoy Newt Gingrich: Serial Hypocrisy – http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CWKTOCP45zY

    LeRoy Newt Gingrich: Selling Access – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdqGKA782A&feature=youtu.be

    Whoops: Court Papers Show (Thrice Married-CFR LeRoy Gingrich) Newt Filed 1st Divorce
    Gingrich said Jackie wasn’t ‘young enough’:(said) old friend – http://www.newser.com/story/136192/newt-gingrich-filed-for-first-divorce-court-records-show.html

  9. Kevin Knedler

    Jezz, I am thankful my journey in the Libertarian Party continues. WTF.
    Newt has more issues than a magazine stand. The moral character of –you fill in the blanks. How can you trust this guy? And his wife on stage with him is just freaky. When I see them on stage, I see one dude who was trying to impeach President Clinton for a “BJ” and lying, while Newt was doing the SAME thing. When I see wife # 3 on the stage, I see the “Homewrecker”. Can you imagine this being the team in the whitehouse? I’m am much more libertarian today, but still have some Midwest conservative tendancies. The journey continues.

  10. Kevin Knedler

    @ 10
    Barr 2008 listened too much to Mr. V, his campaign manager on the Ron Paul episode. That was the inside story I was told. Yes, it was a complete FUBAR.

  11. Steven Wilson

    The Nevada LP did not run anyone against Heller because of receiving a gift in return. More than likely a deal that might pay off later on. Root did not bring Alicia to Nevada for laughs.

    Root has always wanted a bridge into the elephant. He now controls the Nevada LP, for the most part. The only utility to not running someone is something was given in return.

    Just my two cents and a cup of coffee. Egg burrito with gravy. Cheers.

    Also, Barr might be a founding father of sorts. If Newt does win, with this kind of endorsement Barr might be one of the originals to go to the moon. The LP might be a majority in outer space.

  12. Ad Hoc

    I’m guessing the Nevada LP got nothing in return, and as for Barr, friends must have told him that endorsing Merlin Miller would be a bad idea.

  13. Ad Hoc

    I have an idea.

    Take Barr and Gingrich, stick them in a rocket, take them to the moon and leave them there.

  14. christopher barber

    This last Saturday at our Georgia State LP Convention, I proposed a resolution that would have requested that our Chairman ask Barr for his resignation from our State Party, and to issue a press release to that fact, and that Newt is no Libertarian. Barr hs been actively supporting Newt for months here in Georgia. The resolution failed…..I lost a lot of respect for a lot of people that day, and a few good freindships. When I found out that one of Barr’s 2008 campaign staff is now active in the Gary Johnson Campaign I immediately wrote Lee Wrights a check. Call me one bitten twice shy.
    In Liberty
    Christopher Barber

  15. ATBAFT

    There is no guarantee that any candidate, member, or official won’t later do something that “embarrasses” the LP. As for prior conversions to the LP, then if we won’t accept such conversions we won’t grow and virtually all of us are suspect in some sense.

    Worse has happened in the past: A popular
    at-large member of the LNC went on to murder his wife. Those of you with ouija boards or something, let us know now if the LP is or isn’t
    going to be ultimately successful.

  16. Ad Hoc

    At what point do we stop making excuses for Barr and the mindset that allowed him to become the LP candidate for president?

  17. Steve

    Give Barr some credit, he’s come a long way on the drug issue. First he was a drug warrior, then he was for legalization, now he’s clearly smoking something.

  18. christopher barber

    Barr is not just any member, I believe that in Georgia, senior canidates and Party officers should “maintain some modicum of political consistancy” I think most would agree that this is resonable and prudent. (my Party didn’t) Barr could have severed ties with the Party….instead he choose to damage it.
    Once bitten twice shy

  19. Wes Wagner

    AH @24

    After we nominate Johnson using the same rationalizations as 2008, and some other elephant “leavings” in 2016, and 2020 … after there is nothing left of the core of our principles and party and we have hit rock bottom like a burnt out alcoholic that doesn’t qualify for a liver transplant because they are unredeemed and are gasping out the regrets of their life.

  20. Robert Capozzi

    27 ww, I thought you’re running for Chair. If so, talk to us about why this attack is appropriate. Should we expect such behavior if you win?

  21. Wes Wagner

    RC @29

    As a matter of providing guidance in the face of potential organizational suicide? Yes.

    This attack is warranted given the nature of Mr. Johnson’s recruitment, the parallels of people involved and the cast of characters, and the seemingly obvious motivations of Johnson.

    If you are looking for a Chair that will rubber stamp stupidity without saying something, look elsewhere.

    Mind you the delegates in Las Vegas have every right to do something terminally stupid – and I fully recognize that.

  22. Robert Capozzi

    31 ww, if I’m reading this correctly, you are asserting that GJ supporters are not only “stupid,” but terminally so.

    Wow!

    Ok. I disagree, and suspect most would find that profoundly intemperate and alienating, even by non-GJ supporters.

  23. Wes Wagner

    RC @32

    No, I am saying the collective action of nominating GJ would be terminally stupid for the organization.

    The delegates themselves will have varying levels of knowledge of past mistakes that will change whether or not they can transform that knowledge into wisdom.

    GJ did not come to us while he was on the top of the world and say you know what, I really believe in this and am willing to change my party registration and risk everything to make a statement about what is right.

    You learn alot about the character of a person by the timing they show up on your doorstep. GJ has showed up after he has been kicked out of the republcian party for all intents and purposes, had a big go-away sign hung on his neck, a huge debt for his campaign because he did not have any real GOP support, etc etc.

    Now he shows up on our doorstep? Asking us to give him a home and embrace him as our glorious representative?

    These are not the acts of a noble man — and we should eschew him. That would be wisdom as we should have eshewed Barr under similar circumstances.

    Placing the hopes of the future of this party no some magical pot of mathcing fund gold and expecting unicorns to arrive passing out skittles to everyone is not the act of a rational organization.

  24. For Shame

    Write the LNC, LPHQ.

    This should be officially condemned and the LP should make it known to one and all that we do NOT endorse Gingrich in any way, shape or form.

    I hate to say I told you so, but…

  25. Brian Holtz

    @30 Stephen Fielder was LPUS Treasurer c. 1990. He “admitted to using a hacksaw to cut his ex-wife into pieces after she died on Aug. 11, 2006. He testified he cut her up after she fell down a flight of stairs in his house [because] he didn’t think police would believe his claim that her death was an accident.” http://articles.herald-mail.com/2007-11-14/news/25029223_1_neely-multiple-times-verdict-today

    He was convicted in 2007, and was only caught because of Wal-Mart footage of him buying the luggage set into which he placed her remains.

    @14 impeach President Clinton for a “BJ” and lying, while Newt was doing the SAME thing

    If Newt lied under oath to a federal grand jury or in a sworn deposition in front of a federal judge, that would be the same thing. The articles of impeachment are online at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/impeachvote121198.htm. Libertarians believe that lying about your personal life should not be illegal, unless it’s under oath or pursuant to fraud.

  26. NewFederalist

    Wow! This thread has gone from Barr doing a really stupid thing to murder to blowjobs. And Milnes isn’t allowed to post here? Hmm…

  27. Gene Berkman

    Deran @ 34 says -”Ouch! That’s gotta hurt! It is sort of like if David Cobb were to urge the Green Party members to vote for Obama! ”

    Actually many Green Party activists along with leaders of the Vermont Progressive Party did support Obama, who is pretty far to the left. It is like LP members supporting Ron Paul.

    Bob Barr backing Gingrich is more like David Cobb urging his supporters to vote for Joe Lieberman or John Edwards.

  28. Rondo aka Ron Boozell

    @31 & @33 Wes:

    As we both know, the LP has a habit of adopting Republican Refugees. They have a history of showing up at the doorstep when they are weak and defeated. Libertarians, so needy for love and validation, care for these bobbarrians, are always seemingly surprised when they repair, and revert the the genepool from which they were spawned. If the LP cannot produce a well-spoken candidate that is antiWar and antiDebt, then maybe it’s time to close up shop.

  29. bill nh

    haha… We really need to change the name of the Libertarian party to the National Association of Loser Republican Refugees. I can’t believe I just read this. “Newt Gingrich has a track record of accomplishing libertarian goals”?? Is everyone in this party 20 years old with no memory of the 1990′s? Newt Gingrich was the biggest crony in the corporate welfare schemes and pork barrel politics who walked the streets of DC at that time. I propose a new definition of Libertarian for the 21st century: “restricting freedom with goebbelesque fear and endless “wars” while maximizing government size and debt with handouts in the form of tariff breaks, subsidies and government contracts”. With that kind of motto we might be able to draw even more Republican refugees and really get things cracking. If there still exists someone with actual Libertarian values, they would view these clowns as parent might view a child who just rolled in dog crap.

  30. Ad Hoc

    We really need to change the name of the Libertarian party to the National Association of Loser Republican Refugees.

    North American Republican-Libertarian Love Association?

    Is everyone in this party 20 years old with no memory of the 1990?s?

    No, it’s much worse than that. It’s a bunch of 60-somethings with early onset Alzheimer’s.

  31. NewFederalist

    “No, it’s much worse than that. It’s a bunch of 60-somethings with early onset Alzheimer’s.”

    Speak for yourself, Ad Hoc!

  32. Robert Capozzi

    33 ww: No, I am saying the collective action of nominating GJ would be terminally stupid for the organization.
    …Placing the hopes of the future of this party no some magical pot of mathcing fund gold and expecting unicorns to arrive passing out skittles to everyone is not the act of a rational organization.

    me: It would be interesting to see why you think GJ as prez candidate is a “terminal” act. Do you mean to say that something about this idea would cause the LP to cease to exist in 2013? That seems far fetched, but I guess anything is possible. Since 1980 or so, the LP as been tiny, fluctuating in the 10-30K member range. As an institution, it soldiers on, despite the self-imposed ceiling its founders (likely unconsciously) placed on it by making the SoP effectively unamendable.

    GJ is an ideologically moderate L. He joined the LP in the 90s, but decided the GOP was the best vehicle for him to express himself politically. He was correct. He incorrectly thought that the GOP might be open to a small-L R this 2012 cycle, so he threw his hat in the ring. Few saluted. He’s willing to take his L message to November on the LP line.

    No one expects unicorns. The hope is to Perot-type exposure. Overlook overstated posturing.

  33. Thomas L. Knapp

    RC@48,

    —–
    It would be interesting to see why you think GJ as prez candidate is a “terminal” act.
    —–

    It seems to be a least a major progression of the disease.

    Four years ago, the LP nominated a former Republican who had publicly endorsed its 2004 presidential nominee, publicly joined the LP, served on its national committee, etc.

    That was probably a mistake insofar as Barr’s name remained closely tied to the GOP in the public mind, but it’s not nearly as bad as nominating a guy whose entire case is “I wasn’t able to break out of low single digits in my own party’s primary and I’m $200k in campaign debt … let’s do this!”

  34. Brian Holtz

    In connection with the recent discarding of the LPOR Bylaws, Wagner wrote that “if the entire existence of the organization were threatened to the point where an extraordinary act were required to save the organization, I would not follow” what he calls “an instruction manual” (i.e. Bylaws) if doing so would lead to what he considered existentially catastrophic consequences.

    Now Wagner is running for LPUS Chair and describing a Johnson nomination with words like “potential organizational suicide” and “terminally stupid”.

    Should we now worry what would happen to the LPUS Bylaws if Wagner were elected Chair the day after Johnson won the LP POTUS nomination?

  35. Ted Brown

    @39 That is a shocking story about Stephen Fielder and his wife. I hadn’t heard about that in any Libertarian media. I remember him as very nice fellow and dedicated activist. I guess you never know what goes on in peoples’ private lives.

  36. Andy

    Thomas Knapp said: “but it’s not nearly as bad as nominating a guy whose entire case is ‘I wasn’t able to break out of low single digits in my own party’s primary and I’m $200k in campaign debt … let’s do this!’”

    Yes, I think that too many Libertarian Party members are overestimating Gary Johnson’s star power.

    If he was as big a star as some people are making him out to be then he would have been more than just a blip on the radar screen in the Republican Primary, and his campaign would not be $200,000 in debt now.

  37. Johnson hides finances

    Johnson Files with FEC

    Within the last day, by the way.

    He raised a bit under $66,000 in January. He paid his debt down to $150,000, round number.

    Rumored large libertarian donations to his campaign are perhaps overstated. If he actually raised over $50,000 at the start of January, his fundraising must then have crashed to a near-stop.

  38. Robert Capozzi

    52 jhf (gp), that’s a glass-half-empty times 2 way of putting it. $66K is probably an all-time record for a LP aspirant for the prez nomination 5 months prior to convention. Assuming matching funds for his primary run, Team GJ is on a financial tear, certainly a sterling trajectory.

    49 tk: …not nearly as bad as nominating a guy whose entire case is “I wasn’t able to break out of low single digits in my own party’s primary and I’m $200k in campaign debt … let’s do this!”

    me: Hmm, if that’s GJ’s case, he should mos’ def’ go back to NM and chill. I have to assume yer kidding…

  39. Robert Capozzi

    56 gp, what’s not even close? That GJ’s fundraising mark is highest for a prospective LP nominee 5 months prior to convention?

    Who raised more?

    One person who might have “raised” more, it occurs, might be yourself. Am I warm? If so, exclude any dollars the candidate contributed to his/her campaign…

  40. Robert Capozzi

    58 gp, I love you too, George. ;-)

    It does appear to me (and my guess to most) that you are evading and engaging in highly cryptic dialog (if that word can be used fairly here). And you wonder why you don’t win the nominations you seek….

    Did Barr raise $66k 5 months prior to convention? Impossible. Badnarik? Highly unlikely. Browne? Outside chance. Marrou? Highly unlikely. Paul? Possible, but unlikely. Bergland? Highly unlikely. Clark, possible, unless we exclude any of Koch’s contribution, in which case, unlikely. MacBride? Highly unlikely. Hospers? No way.

  41. Let the T-Rex of Talk Radio Entertain U2day

    I don’t understand this practice of including self-finacing in talking about “raising” campaign funds. IMO if you put your own money in, that has nothing to do with raising funds. Funds raised come from “other” people other than yourself or your immediate family. (ie Jon Huntsman’s father kept him in the race through NH).

    The delegates will decide the nom. and frankly it will be GJ on the first ballot! The suicide part might be better applied to a LP convention rejection of GJ. Highly successful former two-term Govs don’t show up too often.

    GJ was a much better Gov than Romney who will most likely be the R nom. Do any of you really think passing up an opportunity at having a “proven” Chief Exec heading the LP ticket is the intelligent way to go ? GJ is already a much better candidate than Barr and by Summer will be (IMO) the most talked about LP candidate (during the cycle) in LP history (Dr.Paul is perhaps NOW the most talked about, but he wasn’t in 1988). GJ can attract a lot of attention. All LP members should use that to build the local level. With him being a better candidate (in actual performance in office) than both Romney and Obama, the sky should be the limit this year for the LP. “IF” we are smart enough to take advantage of him and not bicker and backbite another cycle away.

    Anyone who has sour grapes because “thier” candidate loses this year’s nom isn’t helping the LP in the least. No one wins them all. Work on building your local and state org not tearing down the ticket (that WILL be chosen FAIR and SQUARE by the delegates). With the economy and debt where it is ,the LP down ticket should set records everywhere if you and others will but put forth the effort by running ! Run for office this year, then you can espouse your libertarian views the way you choose. Let’s row together for once and don’t QUIT on the message or movement just because GJ is the nominee !!!

    CARPE DIEM

    Meet Gary Johnson – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boHvCmRm3SQ&feature=channel

    Gary Johnson On Legalizing Marijuana! PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE! – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmMkYckAAIM&feature=related

    Gary Johnson on Foreign Policy – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnkH2mIb2V0&feature=related

    Gary Johnson 2012: Don’t Get Fooled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNXdoeF3KaM&NR=1

  42. Robert Capozzi

    61 tk, you’re not looking at the numbers as an accountant or financial analyst would. They look at run-rates to assess an enterprise.

    Since moving his campaign to the LP, GJ’s raised $66K. That’s huge from a financial trajectory perspective.

    The aggregated balance o f $(151K) is not how most financial analysts would look at this data, esp. when there’s reason to believe that the accrued accounts payable will be paid down with matching funds.

  43. Ad Hoc

    Not sure how we segued into this here, but in past discussions here I remember reading that Browne raised around a million$ pre-nomination, which would probably mean more than 66k in some months.

    Gary Nolan also raised somewhat more, but probably not in one month.

    Johnson also raised a pretty good chunk in the last few days of December 2011 immediately after his party switch announcement.

  44. Ad Hoc

    Four years ago, the LP nominated a former Republican who had publicly endorsed its 2004 presidential nominee, publicly joined the LP, served on its national committee, etc.

    That was probably a mistake insofar as Barr’s name remained closely tied to the GOP in the public mind, but it’s not nearly as bad as nominating a guy whose entire case is “I wasn’t able to break out of low single digits in my own party’s primary and I’m $200k in campaign debt … let’s do this!”

    I think he has a better case to make than that. Aside from his fundraising, he also has a pretty strong focus on the civil liberties side of libertarianism (see his campaign blog, media appearances, etc) – and it’s not anything new, since his campaign themes did not switch with his party. Marijuana legalization was a signature issue of his even when he was a Republican Governor, and he had been an LP member in 1993-4.

    Meanwhile, Bob Barr continued to support Plan Colombia even while belatedly announcing his LP run, ran a PAC which raised money for run of the mill Republicans while serving on the LNC, and said publicly that he wanted to focus on those issues where his positions had not changed since his time in office.

    Even though I have some problems with Johnson, first and foremost on taxes, I have to say he is much better than Bob Barr.

    As for LNC chair candidates, I have a hard time seeing Wes Wagner being competitive with Rutherford and Hinkle.

  45. Here's a radical idea

    @ # 50
    Wagner at chair will be a wild west show.
    Forget following any rules, bylaws, policy manuals. The thugs will rule the roost.

  46. libertygirl12

    NEWT GINGRICH :
    Voted for
    NDAA
    Obamacare
    The PATRIOT ACT
    TARP Bailouts
    SOPA
    PIPA
    GATT
    NAFTA
    and many other bills that were NOT LIBERTARIAN. These are ALL globalist He is NOT for privacy, individual liberty
    or free markets. Healso voted FOR an individual
    health care mandate. LIBERTARIAN?????????

  47. George Phillies

    @63 You write “Johnson also raised a pretty good chunk in the last few days of December 2011 immediately after his party switch announcement.”

    What is your basis for this claim?

  48. just asking

    @67 – Gingrich left Congress in January 1999. Every issue you listed except for GATT and NAFTA (which he did vote for) postdates that.

  49. Ad Hoc

    @68

    The fundraising meter on his website at that time.

    @69

    Gingrich voted for many extremely unlibertarian pieces of legislation while in congress, and has advocated for more ever since.

  50. Thomas L. Knapp

    LG@67,

    “[Gingrich] also voted FOR an individual
    health care mandate.”

    No, he didn’t.

    He commented favorably on an individual mandate.

    He did that back when it was conservatives (in particular the Heritage Foundation) who were proposing such a mandate as an alternative to “HillaryCare.”

    Conservatives were all for the individual mandate until a swarthy Democrat proposed it. Then it became “socialism.”

  51. Andy

    “libertygirl12 // Mar 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    NEWT GINGRICH :
    Voted for
    NDAA
    Obamacare
    The PATRIOT ACT
    TARP Bailouts
    SOPA
    PIPA
    GATT
    NAFTA
    and many other bills that were NOT LIBERTARIAN. These are ALL globalist He is NOT for privacy, individual liberty
    or free markets. Healso voted FOR an individual
    health care mandate. LIBERTARIAN?????????”

    I agree with your overall point here, but you’ve got some facts wrong. Newt Gingrich was not in office when several of these bills came up. Would he have voted for them if he had been in office? Probably, judging from statements that he’s made.

    You are right that Newt Gingrich is not even close to being a libertarian, but you should be careful to get your facts straight because somebody can use that against you and say that invalidates everything else you have to say.

  52. Tom Blanton

    Perhaps Barr is supporting Gingrich because he thinks that is the quickest way to collapse the federal government.

    The only argument is whether Obama will cause the collapse of the government quicker than Gingrich would.

    Since “conservatives” tend to spend more than “liberals” and since “conservatives” tend to reduce taxes more than “liberals,” it may well be that Gingrich would bankrupt the federal government quicker than Obama.

    The day of the Gingrich-Libertarian has arrived. We can only hope that the Santorum-Libertarians and Romney-Libertarians will jump on board the freedom train.

  53. Humongous Fungus

    Perhaps Barr is supporting Gingrich because he thinks that is the quickest way to collapse the federal government.

    Yes, that must be it.

  54. MarcMontoni

    A Libertarian activist I know once suggested that there is a case to be made that Barr was still pissed at the LP for helping to end his congressional career, and originally started getting involved with the LP because he found a few gullible individuals who thought his intentions were good but that he was just “misled”.

    From there, Barr correctly surmised there were enough gullible individuals that he could insinuate himself into the leadership of the LP and thereby find a way to revenge.

    Barr originally had no idea just how far he could take the joke — and when he realized he could probably win the presidential nod, he took it, thinking a do-nothing and thoroughly oversold presidential campaign that raised little money and really didn’t recruit any new members as most past LP campaign had, would be a death blow.

    I’ve chewed on the theory for several years now. I can’t really argue with how it fits with the results of the Barr campaign. However, I’ve always believed that one never explains something with “design” when it can be adequately explained by “stupidity”.

    For or me the jury is still out.

    Libertarians were warned that a Barr campaign would be an embarrassment; but the majority simply wasn’t listening.

    I’m hoping things will go better this time, but I have my doubts. When we wake up on November 7, 2012, and we’re still banging around the same 300,000 to 600,000 we always get, what will we say?

  55. Ad Hoc

    I don’t think the conspiracy theory makes sense. For one thing, Barr probably knows that the LP actually had very little to do with his failed re-election, and that the fault was with redistricting and Linder.

    When we wake up on November 7, 2012, and we’re still banging around the same 300,000 to 600,000 we always get, what will we say?

    Same things as every other time, of course.

  56. Austin Battenberg

    I can’t believe I voted for Bob Barr. I should have just wrote in Ron Paul’s name. I know everyone gets all huffy about the PATRIOT Act, but I was willing to let it slide because of the fact he was able to get it to sunset and was fairly good on civil liberties for a Republican prior to that, and he seemed genuine when he wanted to repeal it.

    Ever since he skipped out on that event with all the minor candidates and Ron Paul, I debated to myself as to why he did it. Some here say that he should focus on being a Libertarian and being a serious candidate, and being seen with all those other third party candidates could ‘hurt’ his chances. But lets face facts, he didn’t have a chance and it seriously was an important event to get all of us who disagree on so much to come together on some MAJOR issues. To actually change the dialogue. Who knows, maybe Ron Paul WOULD have endorsed him had he showed up.

    Now, it looks like he might want to get back in congress, and for whatever reason, he thinks he has enough clout that his pathetic endorsement will make ANYONE go, “hmmm, well now I’m sold on Newt”. He is part of the LIBERTARIAN PARTY for crying out loud! I know Ron Paul isn’t a complete libertarian and many here don’t like him, but he is certainly closest to our ideals in the Republican Party and Barr endorsed him last time and gave a great speech introducing him at CPAC.

    I am utterly disappointed in his endorsement of Newt, who isn’t even a small government conservative. Bob Barr is a sellout, and I am ashamed for voting him in 08.

  57. NewFederalist

    “Bob Barr is a sellout, and I am ashamed for voting him in 08.”

    Me too. I would have voted for Baldwin over Barr but Baldwin was not on the ballot in PA.

  58. just saying

    @72 — Conservatives were all for the individual mandate until a swarthy Democrat proposed it.

    This just isn’t accurate. I was present at several meetings of conservative activists where then-Gov. Romney’s people were trying to sell the activists on how great the individual mandate was. The near-unanimous response was along the lines of, “You’ve got to be kidding me.”

  59. George Phillies

    @83 The mandate was ill-received by Massachusetts conservatives, too. Mind you there is actually not to the best of my knowledge an enforcement mechanism beyond grabbing income tax refunds, at least, I have never found anyone who pointed at something that was in use.

    Of course, it could be like our Bartley Fox ‘use a gun in a crime, get an extra year an prison’ which some years after being passed had allegedly never been used to leave anyone in the slammer.

  60. paulie

    http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

    The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.

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