Tiffany Briscoe: Any Place for Moral Values in Government?

In a piece on her campaign site blog, Boston Tea Party presidential candidate Tiffany Briscoe speaks out against coercive social conservatives. In a twist reminiscent of a recent controversy in the Libertarian Party presidential race, she touches on the subject of bestiality:


This election cycle is a crucial one. The destiny of the people of the United States and of the world will be seriously affected by whatever policies will the next administration operate. And we are in a time of crisis, we need not to deny this. What is happening in Europe currently is just an introduction to the larger financial disaster that might take place here in America were we to ignore the approaching signs and the reasonable theory that too much debt will lead to a national deficit that will make sure of the collapse of the global economy.

Yet, while the importance of this issue, altogether with the rise of a Police State in our current federal government, is crucial, some are still talking about protecting the “Juedo-Christian values” of the United States. In fact, the entire Republican field is plagued by moral regulators that believe there is a role for government to control our private lives. Abortion, same-sex relations, cultural diversity, the role of English as a language, and even bestiality are all social issues that have been raised by many candidates.

This should not be. In fact, it should be an accepted principle that the reason why our Founding Fathers never mentioned moral values in the Constitution is because they did not want to see a central bureaucracy take over the private lives of individuals. But many have lost this American belief in individualism and are now moved to claim that our theist forefathers were religious experts that intended the federal government to have much power in social issues.

This is why there are many talks of a federal “Sanctity of Life Act”, or Marriage Amendment to the Constitution. Some conservative candidates even want to reinstate the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy in the Army.

But millions of people are out of work. Millions of others are living under the level of poverty and are hit by inflation, high taxes, and social control on a daily basis. We are seeing Main Street ripped off by an alliance of Big Government and Big Business, while our children are being put in a failing educational system bound to hurt them more than anything else. Our federal government is growing larger every second, we’re killing hundreds with a devastating foreign policy combining sanctions and embargoes against innocent people and military attacks against unsure enemies, and the Police State is being implemented without any sign of reaction from the media.

And we’re talking about bestiality? Where in the Constitution does it say that the federal government has the power to regulate sexual relations? Some talk about morality, and the loss of Judeo-Christian values in America, but here is the truth. Our governments should never promote any sort of moral values, besides peace.

We live in the greatest country in the world and we are facing one of the most challenging crises in our history. The future of humanity relies on the example that we shall set in this election cycle. We need to focus on the serious issues, and not be lost in the dangers of the small, irrelevant, and possibly unconstitutional pipes of social regulation.

Each individual should be free to set his or her own set of principles to abide by. Some might use drugs today considered to be illegal, others might want to adhere to polygamy, while the rest will be divided between alcoholics, entrepreneurs, or scientists. As president, I will not try to implement any set of moral value for the entire nation, based on the simple fact that I don’t know

50 thoughts on “Tiffany Briscoe: Any Place for Moral Values in Government?

  1. bruuno

    I am assuming this is simply a Santorum reference but after the Person fiasco I guess you never know. Honestly I don’t think it would ever occur to me that she might be advocating legalized bestiality if it weren’t for that.

  2. Common Tater

    http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2012/01/tiffany-briscoe-boston-tea-partys-2012.html

    Headline “Tiffany Briscoe, Boston Tea Party’s 2012 Presidential Nominee, Condemns All Anti-Bestiality Laws & Blasts The Libertarian Party For Showing A Loss Of Freedom-Based Principles”

    She is quoted as saying “Let me be clear. I strongly believe bestiality is anti-natural. But if an individual wants to engage him or herself into such an activity, it is entirely up to this individual. I condemn all anti-bestiality laws, just like I condemn bestiality itself. But this should be a decision taken by the person involved, rather than the government.”

  3. AnthonyD.

    Leaving aside the reality that animals cannot give consent, I can only imagine the headlines if this dummy was campaiging for the LP nomination:

    “Libertarians O.K. Sex With Animals”

    would be one guess.

    There are some “friends of liberty” who are just predisposed to arguing. It really comes down to a pathological desire to be the center of attention, to say things for shock value.

    If folks like Ms. Briscoe really cared about something like gay marriage rights, for example, she might consider the possibility that this does not help achieve that goal in any way, and in fact probably retards it.

  4. Darryl W. Perry

    I doubt that Ms. Briscoe would have even mentioned bestiality had it not been brought up by Tom Stevens & Carl Person. I believe this article was a response to questions asked by Stevens, which leads me further to believe that she would not have mentioned bestiality had it not been brought up by someone else.

  5. Common-Tater

    New from Milnes:

    1/12 see IPR Briscoe’s article and 2 articles about my accusation of Briscoe/Crevaux fraud.

    No photo of Briscoe attached to article, is there? No new photo on her websites. No photo of Crevaux on his website. What ever happened to Briscoe’s interview on RT.com? Well, then we would actually SEE her talking, wouldn’t we? although Skype is of poor quality IMO. Has anyone from IPR or BTP or even LP MET, spoken with IN PERSON, or even seen or even heard of Briscoe and/or Crevaux? Who are these people? Crevaux says he has his candidate writing a book on her platform. BTP already has a platform. Is anybody SEEING her sitting around writing this unnecessary book? Why must we wait until Jan 24 for a photo of Briscoe? Just find a digital camera or cameraphone-they are all over the place. Download a picture to a computer-they also are all over the place. Then upload to the internet-oh, gee. That requires an IP, which are all over the place. What is the problem?

    When is somebody going to do something about this? Darryl. When is somebody going to actually MEET Briscoe and/or Crevaux?

  6. AnthonyD.

    Concerned citizen @ 8,

    If the quote Common Tater (#2) is accurate, then one would have to think that, by her standards, children WOULD be fair game.

    Her quote in #2 implies consent is irrelevant; its merely up to the potential child rapist if he or she wants to engage in any proposed sexual act upon a minor. Or an infant.

  7. AnthonyD.

    Mr. Perry @ 11,

    I was under the impression that rape is essentially sex without consent. Ms. Briscoe seems to be suggesting consent is irrelevant.

  8. Concerned citizen

    And before you people start saying, “i own my animal so I can do what I want to it” remember that a dog has about as much intelligence as a two year old. Does this mean people should have the right to do whatever they want to a two year old. I know some of you support abortion after birth, but don’t you think something with the intelligence of a two year old should be free from being violated in such a nasty way?

  9. Concerned citizen

    And how date she invoke the names of our founders? If she did some research she’d find that Thomas Jefferson opposed even sodomy.

  10. Concerned citizen

    Who cares if she condemns it? If she supports legalizing crimes against nature, she’s basically an accessory.

  11. Mickey Finn

    From Tom Stevens:

    Mosheh Thezion (a/k/a Luis Correa), who recently announced he is seeking the Libertarian Party’s Presidential Nomination, has published a brief biography so Libertarian Party members can get to know him better. I recommend you read it. I found it quite interesting. One conclusion you will draw is Mosheh Thezion is a very honest man.

    In his biography, you will learn how in college, he “suffered the pain of being in love with a wild and loose lesbian (named Tonya) he could not win” and how during his teens and twenties, he smoked “pounds and pounds of marijuana”, drank alcohol, did cocaine and was, for seven years a methamphetamine addict. He admits to being a “very sinful young man” who has been convicted of numerous crimes, including car theft, drug possession, trespassing and endless petty traffic offenses”. He says he engaged in “loose sexual and moral behaviors with friends” and “had the habit of listening to his own personal devil and when he consulted his own personal angel for a difference of opinion, his angel was stoned out of his mind”.

    In the end, his is a story of redemption. He has “repented for his past behavior and sins”, formed The Empirical Church (of which he is the only active member), and obtained an Associates Degree in Electronic Engineering from the ITT Technical Institute. He admits he is not worthy and “is less than the dirt on the bottom of your shoes”. Nevertheless, he is willing to serve if you find his candidacy compelling.

    Mosheh Thezion’s biography is reprinted here:
    http://drtomstevens.blogspot.com/2012/01/mosheh-thezion-aka-luis-correa.html

    In Liberty,

    Dr. Tom Stevens
    Liberty Lion

  12. Mickey Finn

    Milnes reports today

    “1/12 Just spoke with HCC Acting Registrar Eli Stav. He said Tiffany Briscoe has no degree/did not graduate …………….”

  13. wolfefan

    I know it’s off topic, but if Tom Stevens wants you to read Moshe Thezion’s biography I’d respectfully recommend you go to his website rather than Tom’s. That way you can read the whole platform and learn more about the candidate. http://mosheh.org/

  14. Jill Pyeatt

    MF @ 18: I still find it hard to believe a school would give out so much information on an individual. Maybe they can disclose if someone has a degree or not, but I would think the request would have to come from a legitimate party, like a potential employer or higher-level college. Dr. Phiilies, if you’re reading this thread, do you know if info is easily given out on a student?

  15. Don Grundmann

    ” Our governments should never promote any sort of moral values, besides peace.”

    Response – This is an extremely sick person but yet perfectly illustrative of why our nation is collapsing.

    Economics does not occur in a vacumn but springs from an underlying philosophy. In the case of our nation the Christian philosophical foundations of the nation allowed us, via the predominant morality of the nation, to become the greatest economic power in the world. Subsequently the collapse of those values will, as is so well being currently demonstrated, bring about our economic impoverishment and demise. The animalization of citizens and the culture will produce singular and collective impoverishment. A psychotic collapsed morality citizenry will be totally incapable of producing the economic solutions needed for a return to prosperity for our nation much less avoiding an eventual and inevitable 3rd world collective impoverishment.

    As John Adams so well stated our Constitution was made for, and could only function for, a moral citizenry. Any President who is so sick and cowardly as Ms. Briscoe ( and we are unfortunately suffering from her moral mirror image as our current President ) would strive to be would lead by example; i.e.; they would be cheerleaders for the moral collapse of our nation. Unfortunately the success of such ” leadership ” is all too obvious in not only the ” Big 2 ” parties but in ALMOST all of their minor party wannabee followers EXCEPT, thankfully, for the Constitution Party.

    While the sick and pathetic Ms. Briscoe can not even, except for her pathetic claim of personal opposition, lead opposition to sex with animals ( how well this illustrates what a truly sick nation we have become ) the Constitution Party will work endlessly to stop the utter moral corruption/pathology which the collective bestiality/LGBT/homosexual movement represents inclusive of its relentless and endless attack(s) upon the children of our nation as it attempts to destroy them via acceptance of its moral infection.

    Economic and moral decline go hand in hand. To return to economic prosperity our nation must first find the moral courage, and the vision which comes with it, which is the foundation of true economic growth and prosperity. A nation of moral degenerates and degeneracy will never find, and will cheat all future generations of, such prosperity.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent and Constitution Parties of California

  16. Tom Blanton

    Any candidate hoping to get an endorsement from Dondero had damn well better advocate for legal donkey shows.

    Also, it would seem that consent isn’t an issue when it comes to necrozoophilia.

    I’m wondering where the Santorum-Libertarians stand on these issues.

  17. Don Grundmann

    Darryl – Government automatically presents a structure of moral values which guides the continuance and development of our culture and society. ” Thou shalt not kill ” provides the legal, and based on religion, basis for the protection of our citizens. Does that mean it stops all murder? No, but it does provide a moral foundation within our culture and society to provide for the value of life and its organized protection via government performing what is considered its proper role and duty – a role and duty based on morality. Result – murder is fantastically reduced as compared to the chaos which would occur if this value was eliminated via the collapse of morality within a population.

    Let me provide an English translation of the following – the complaint of ” using the force of government to enforce morals ” is used; predominantly and perhaps not by you now; by those who wish to stop any and all opposition to abortion and homosexuality.

    Can laws against immorality stop it? Of course not. Can they, like the law against murder ( and based on the same Christian principles ), greatly inhibit its development and hence greatly protect and advance our society, culture, and nation in the process? Absolutely.

    Remove the social and cultural inhibitions against immorality and corruption and you end up cultivating those anti-values and the resulting horror, rot, tragedy, chaos, and death which springs from that cultivation.

    Ms. Briscoe is simply a champion of that moral collapse. A champion and a coward who will deny, dismiss, and ignore the devastation and tragedy which her conscienceless anti-morality produces when its cultivated crop grows into its intended result.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent and Constitution Parties of California

  18. Concerned citizen

    I’m still waiting for a response from the “libertarians” on whether children and animals have a right to remain free from perverts. It’s sickening that this even needs to be discussed.

  19. Jill Pyeatt

    This Libertarian–and libertarian–(me) says that children and animals absolutely have the right to remain free of perverts. I would say that if it takes force to keep them safe, then that is an appropriate use of force.

  20. paulie Post author

    I’m still waiting for a response from the “libertarians” on whether children and animals have a right to remain free from perverts. It’s sickening that this even needs to be discussed.

    I would say children and animals do have this right, but I would lower the presumptive age of consent (individual circumstances aside) to something closer in line with biological adulthood (puberty).

  21. Darryl W. Perry

    All “crimes” are to have a victim. Thus; murder, rape, theft & assault are all legitimate crimes.
    If two gay people are having consensual sex; who is the victim?

    Also, it seems you want to pick & choose parts of Leviticus to enforce via government. Why not also include a prohibition against mixed fabric clothing? Why no prohibition against eating pork and/or shellfish?

  22. paulie Post author

    Also, it would seem that consent isn’t an issue when it comes to necrozoophilia.

    I’m wondering where the Santorum-Libertarians stand on these issues.

    Most of the ones I know stand rigidly with a frothy mix of disgust and excitement on these issues.

  23. paulie Post author

    Maybe they can disclose if someone has a degree or not, but I would think the request would have to come from a legitimate party, like a potential employer or higher-level college.

    I don’t see why a college would not be able to tell anyone who called whether someone claiming to be a graduate is in fact a graduate.

  24. Don Grundmann

    ” If two gay people are having consensual sex; who is the victim?”

    Response – A) There is no such thing as ” gay ” people except in the sense of the original meaning of the word; i.e.; a variation of the word for happiness not associated with anything sexual. The current usage of the word is as an advertising/marketing/Social Engineering term for warping the masses to accept the emotional pathology of homosexuality as normal and/or natural. Within the homosexual community the word came forth as an acronym for “G”oing “A”fter “Y”outh.

    B) Those afflicted with the emotional pathology of homosexuality are free to degrade themselves to whatever degree they wish. The real question is will they be allowed to warp public policy in order to legitimize their pathology so as to use such policy as a weapon toward attacking the children of our nation with the objective of indoctrinating them; their intended targets/victims; into the pathology. I have documented such attacks and their objectives at CandleCrusade.org.

    The unfortunate answer to the question appears to be – Yes. The nation will sacrifice its children and all future generations/victims to the pathology of homosexuality.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent and Constitution Parties of California

  25. Darryl W. Perry

    Don, why did you not answer any of my questions?
    If governments are to enforce “Judeo-Christian” morals, why do you pick & choose the parts of Leviticus you want enforced?
    Why not have laws prohibiting the sale/possession of pork & shellfish?
    Why no laws prohibiting mixed blend clothing?
    Why not ticket everyone who shaves their sideburns?

  26. Thomas L. Knapp

    DWP@33.

    “Don, why did you not answer any of my questions?”

    Because the only people entitled to answers from Grundmann are the voices in his head.

    Everyone else is supposed to listen to him, not talk to him.

  27. Don Grundmann

    Darryl – I haven’t answered your questions because A) they are the questions of a fool, and B) someone who is an enemy of moral values. Hence I am trying to make you look good – or at least better than you are trying to appear. But you are making it hard.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent and Constitution Parties of California

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  29. Tom Blanton

    If laws against bestiality were repealed, would Don J. Grundmann head out to the barnyard and have his way with the livestock?

    And what is all this folderol about animals giving consent? Most animals will express their non-consent rapidly with their teeth, claws or hooves.

    I’m not seeing anyone demand the consent from animals to be slaughtered for food. Should we demand to see a signed consent form from the cow when we buy a steak from the butcher?

    If Don J. Grundmann doesn’t want to get it on with a billy goat or a pit bull, I’d suggest that he simply not do it. But how far is he willing to enforce his morality? Warrentless searches? Surveillance of barnyards? Phone taps? Undercover policemen disguised as sheep? Maybe the collection of DNA samples scraped from your penis at random checkpoints to test for animal DNA?

    We’ve already seen how far some are willing to go to prevent people from committing the moral sin of using certain drugs.

    What’s next, people advocating regulating and taxing bestiality? Or perhaps treating it not as a crime but as a mental health issue?

    I guess the issue does provide a useful distraction from debating whether or not it is OK to piss on people after you kill them on their own turf.

  30. paulie Post author

    And what is all this folderol about animals giving consent? Most animals will express their non-consent rapidly with their teeth, claws or hooves.

    Arousal =/= consent.

    Human rape victims often get sexually aroused, but it does not mean they want to have sex.

    Children may also become sexually aroused during molestation, but it’s still considered rape because they can’t give informed consent, just like someone who is mentally underdeveloped or severely impaired or intoxicated.

  31. Tom Blanton

    Within the homosexual community the word came forth as an acronym for “G”oing “A”fter “Y”outh.

    Are the male priests and pastors that engage in sexual behavior with young boys part of this conspiracy to indoctrinate the young?

    Maybe parents should be encouraging their children to have have sex with other children of the opposite sex at an early age. Maybe instead of buying Barbies and action figures for kids, parents should be buying them inflatable dolls – of the opposite sex, of course.

  32. Tom Blanton

    …it’s still considered rape because they can’t give informed consent, just like someone who is mentally underdeveloped or severely impaired or intoxicated.

    Damn, paulie, that’s like everyone you meet at a typical meat market bar after midnight on a Saturday night.

    I’m afraid if the Grundmanns of the world have their way, horny people will turn to vegetable abuse. Wait, that’s not safe either because the Holy Book prohibits spilling seeds.

    The next thing you know inflatable children, inflatable sheep, and inflatable vegetables will be illegal.

  33. paulie Post author

    Damn, paulie, that’s like everyone you meet at a typical meat market bar after midnight on a Saturday night.

    Yeah, there’s no sharp dividing line that tells you when someone is too drunk to give informed consent; it’s a judgment call.

    The next thing you know inflatable children, inflatable sheep, and inflatable vegetables will be illegal.

    Alabama is once again paving the way.

  34. Concerned citizen

    Blanton, I fear the day someone like you comes to power. When you can’t differentiate between using an animal for a valid existential purpose and raping it. Apparently, in your dystopic society there is no freedom from perverts. I suppose that under your regime, families won’t be able to go out in public without fear that some pervert will participate in the legally-backed practice of public masturbation. You should admit it, you don’t support freedom for everyone, just for those that want to ruin the quality of life of other entities.

  35. langa

    If animals have rights, then why not plants? Or fungus? Or bacteria? Is mowing your lawn or washing your hands equivalent to murder?

    Only rational beings are capable of having rights, because only rational beings are capable of exercising their rights in a responsible manner, or to put it in a different way, only rational beings are capable of exercising free will. Animals are ruled by pure instinct, and are thus morally no different than bacteria. Being cute and cuddly is not a source of rights.

  36. Jill Pyeatt

    langa @ 46: “Animals are ruled by pure instinct, and are thus morally no different than bacteria.”

    This statement is incorrect on many levels. Many creatures are known to have thoughts beyond “instinct”. Certainly the great apes, but also dolphins and the octcopus have been observed exhibiting behavior that very much shows the ability to reason and make decisions. I definitely argue that they don’t have inherent rights,

  37. Tom Blanton

    Blanton, I fear the day someone like you comes to power.

    Concerned citizen, have no fear. Someone like me will never come to power simply because someone like me does not seek to have power over others.

    However, despite the many laws that exist against things like public masturbation, some people still engage in the practice on an infrequent basis. I’ve never seen it, personally, but I have heard of it happening.

    Because there always exists the possibility that someone might pleasure themselves in public as they gaze at your family, you might consider never going out in public without a police escort.

    As far as bestiality goes, I’m all for letting animals take care of themselves. I’ve had my hand shredded by a little kitty cat just because I wanted to pet it. I’ve had to jump up on a parked car to avoid being attacked by a pit bull for walking to close to the dog’s yard. I’ve witnessed a horse kick a man for walking behind him and I’ve seen a goat smash through a wooden door to get out of a shed. Then there was the chimp that ripped a woman’s face off and chewed off her hands, apparently for no reason at all.

    The problem of bestiality is probably at the very bottom of the list of America’s problems. It happens rarely. If bestiality were made legal, I doubt incidents of the practice would increase.

    The recently passed NDAA bill removed language prohibiting bestiality from the military code, I believe. So far I haven’t heard of any soldiers with pent-up cravings to rape animals showing up on YouTube engaging in zoophilia.

    But, Concerned citizen, if you’ve been holding back your smoldering desire to have sex with a non-human because of statutes against it, now you can join the army and screw animals on the base.

  38. langa

    Jill @47: “Certainly the great apes, but also dolphins and the octcopus have been observed exhibiting behavior that very much shows the ability to reason and make decisions.”

    I guess it depends on what you mean by “reason”. Do you think it would be possible to enter into a contract with a dolphin? Can an octopus be expected to take responsibility for the consequences of its actions? If two apes have sex with each other, how do you know if it’s consensual? Should every instance of two animals having sex be assumed to be rape?

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