Warren Redlich: Johnson’s Poor Choice of Friends

From an email sent to IPR:

Dear IPR,

I know the Gary Johnson / LP thing is brewing and thought [some of the IPR readership] might be interested in my two cents.

I used to be a fan of Gary Johnson. This arose mainly out of his public opposition to the War on Drugs. Even early in this presidential campaign I was happy to see Johnson involved.

My positive attitude toward Johnson changed recently.

Sometime in the past few months Johnson made a deal with the devil. Not the metaphorical Satan, but a real world demon of modern politics, Roger Stone.

Stone endorsed Johnson as a presidential candidate. The Johnson campaign posted Stone’s endorsement on their campaign website. A few days ago a Stone interview with Johnson, consisting entirely of glowing statements from Stone and soft-pitch questions, was posted on Vimeo.

It’s real simple. Stone is evil. Anyone who knows anything about Stone knows he’s evil. He brags about being evil, proud of the reference to him as a “dirty trickster”.

There’s two possibilities:

1. Johnson is frustrated with the campaign and naively sees Stone as a way out of that; or

2. Johnson knows that Stone is evil and has chosen to work with him anyway.

One other thing – Stone is no friend of the LP. He tried to manipulate the 2010 LPNY convention into getting Kristin Davis as the candidate. He threatened that if Davis was not chosen they’d create another ballot line and use the world Libertarian in that line to create voter confusion.

“unless we can reach some accomodation Kristin wont be attending the convention. … In that case we’d prefer to petition on our own party onto the ballot- litigate over the word LIBERTARIAN”

He also showed he was working with Republican candidate Carl Paladino at the same time as with Davis:
“If you ran for AG I could get Paladino to let you ride on both his GOP … and Tea Party petitions- and thus get in the GOP primary for real and get a second line.”

When the election was over, Stone bragged about his role in damaging the LPNY.

I admit that for me it’s not just about the LP.  It’s personal.  Roger Stone engages in the politics of personal destruction.  He’s extremely good at it.  And I was one of his victims.

But you can also see my disdain for Stone from our early e-mail exchange long before Stone attacked me personally.

It was at this point that I reached out to Paladino, forwarding him Stone’s e-mails.

Me, 4/20, 6:01 pm:

Carl,
When we met last week, I did not have the impression that Roger Stone was on your campaign team. … he is speaking to me as if he has some sway over you – “I could get Paladino to let you ride on ….” …  It was my impression that you were campaigning as someone different from the usual politicians. If you’re working with Roger Stone, in the way he describes, then you don’t seem that different to me.

So while I am motivated by my personal experience as Roger Stone’s victim, my view of him was the same beforehand.

I have reached out to various members of the Gary Johnson campaign team, asking that he publicly disavow Roger Stone. I have also expressed my concerns to many libertarian friends.

Gary Johnson may seek the LP nomination, but it is not assured. He should be aware that having Roger Stone on his team is a serious negative for many.

On another note, people should wonder who Stone is working for. Is Johnson paying him? Or is Stone “volunteering” as he has said. If he is volunteering, who is really paying? In the 2010 campaign. Paladino money flowed to the Davis campaign. Is Romney paying Stone? Obama? Is Johnson really an insurance policy for the establishment in case Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination?

These are questions I hope members of the LP and LNC will ask before they swoon over Gary Johnson.

Warren

Warren Redlich, Esq.
PO Box 970244
Boca Falls, FL 33497-0244
888-733-5299
Fax: 518-708-8752
http://www.redlichlaw.com

62 thoughts on “Warren Redlich: Johnson’s Poor Choice of Friends

  1. Robert Capozzi

    wr: Is Johnson really an insurance policy for the establishment in case Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination?

    me: I’ve flagged the RS association previously, so, while these judgments of “demon” and “evil” strike me as wrong-minded, RS does have a checkered past and questionable MO.

    This one needs monitoring, though, I agree.

    But “insurance policy”? Can you expand how that might work, please….

  2. Warren Redlich

    Sure Robert. If RP gets the nomination, the GOP establishment backs GJ. They give him money and tell their people to vote for him.

    The establishment prefers Obama over RP. Easier to get Repubs to vote for GJ than for Obama.

  3. Eric Sundwall

    I’ll ad two items. During a conversation with Stone in 2010, he indicated that he was behind the whole Tucker Carlson feint for LP POTUS nomination. He also inquired heavily about WAR and asked my opinion about him.

    He obviously has connections to folks like Scott Leiberman who thinks he’s just fine. Even after the election SL was pestering me about not working with Stone (despite the Predator letter) and even suggested that the LPNY refunf the LNC, despite our stellar historical performance.

    So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Stone was pushing buttons with some prominent LP’rs behind the scenes for a Johnson scenarion which he might make some peanuts from.

    One of the more positive results of the Stone fiasco from my perspective was his removal permanently from the highly listened to Fred Dicker Show. Stone is not a favored commodity in even the worst GOP camps, so he’s plying influence with gullible actors in the LP.

  4. Tully Fitzsimmons

    I also contacted Johnson’s NH Campaign Manager and begged him to have Johnson immediately disassociate himself from Roger Stone. I worked with Stone as far back as 1977, and the man is Vile. In the early 70s, he came to NH, and using the fake name “Jason Ranier,” formed a make-believe Socialist Party, sent a contribution to George McGovern’s campaign, and then broadcast the news. Total Slime…and nothing has changed since. This is the end of any support I give to Johnson.

  5. 99%er

    Given that Stone intentionally cost the LPNY its best chance ever at ballot status in a dirty way and bragged about it, no candidate for the LP nomination should associate with him in any way.

  6. Robert Capozzi

    2 wr: If RP gets the nomination, the GOP establishment backs GJ.

    me: Hmm, I’m not sure the establishment prefer GJ to RP, especially as an L. Your theory strikes me as very far fetched, but anything is surely possible…

  7. Andy

    It sounds like this Roger Stone guy could be to Gary Johnson what Russ Verney was to Bob Barr, and this is not a good thing.

  8. Steve

    @2 and 8 – The GOP establishment’s preferred tactic when their favorite doesn’t win the primary seems to be to sit on their hands and let the nominee lose on his/her own rather than support the nominee of another party.

    That said, the rest of Mr. Redlich’s post is correct, Johnson needs to immediately disassociate himself from Stone. I recently had a conversation on that subject with one of Johnson’s state coordinators. They obviously get it, but the people at the top might not.

  9. Gene Berkman

    Roger Stone was involved in Tom Golisano’s campaign for Governor on the Independence Party line in 2002. It was Golisano’s third run for Governor, and he spent about 56 million dollars.

    Roger Stone enticed Golisano into a pointless bid for the Conservative Party nomination, so that he would have two lines on the ballot. But the Conservative leadership had been bought out by the ueber-statist Pataki, and would not let Golisano enter the primary. So Golisano wasted a couple million to petition for Conservatives to have the right to write in his name.

    I am sure Stone was also responsible for other money being wasted in what was the best funded third party campaign in 2002. Golisano received 14% of the vote – a good showing – but he could have done better without Roger Stone mismanaging his effort.

  10. Michael H. Wilson

    Maybe I should set up shop as a campaign consultant. I know of a guy who got on helping the Barr campaign, but who did little or nothing and managed to pick up a few thousand dollars. Such a deal!

  11. Robert Capozzi

    12 mhw, a few thousand dollars, huh? Reminds me of Dr. Evil demanding $1 million to not blow up the world in one of the Austin Powers movies.

    So, this slacker didn’t do much for the few thousand dollars. How do you know this? Is there a Truman Show of this slacker?

  12. john c jackson

    A politician aligns himself with a political operative? No way!

    Seriously, though- GJ needs to drop Stone and hire Allen Hacker to run his campaign and get Michael Cloud to manage his direct mail fundraising.

  13. Robert Capozzi

    16 mhw, interesting. I’d not realized that “state records” captures expenditures of prez campaigns…or did you mean the FEC records?

    So, the slacker told you “I didn’t do anything” for the money. I’m sure there’s sub-optimal utilization of resources in all campaigns, as there is in probably all human action. It’s my contention that often resources are OVER-utilized; over-tasked people have greater error rates, such that the organization sputters due to over-stressed staff. People start not thinking straight > often to cascading failure. Ethics go out the window when people are driven too hard, like with WorldCom and Enron.

    Keeping some slack in the line keep the rope from snapping!

  14. Dan Reale

    “It’s my contention that often resources are OVER-utilized; over-tasked people have greater error rates, such that the organization sputters due to over-stressed staff. People start not thinking straight > often to cascading failure. Ethics go out the window when people are driven too hard, like with WorldCom and Enron.”

    That’s VERY true Robert. We’ve learned, in the LPCT, that you can either do it all yourself – fast, last minute and all at once, or you can do it right by taking one thing at a time.

  15. It makes sense...

    …when one connects the dots: Stone to Lieberman to Starr/Carling/etc.; Stone to Johnson to Root to Cohen to Starr etc.; you get the idea who the real problem children in the LP are, and that includes Karlan/Flood/Weinstein/Mattson and Hinkle. LP members get what they got, not what they think they wanted. Fool them once, fool them twice, the common denominator is they done been fooled…

  16. Kristin Davis

    You all sound like a bunch of whiny babies. GET OVER IT. Roger Stone is good at what he does. Period.

    Warren Redlich wasn’t a victim. At the start of the campaign Mr. Redlich openly called both Roger and I WHORES to the Albany Times Union. I’d never even met Warren at that time. He also made ridiculous campaign videos slandering and making fun of the rest of the candidates. Warren started the entire thing – he needs to accept responsibility for his actions and the damage HE did to the Libertarian party. Not that he is even a Libertarian.

    Furthermore, you should be thanking Roger for getting Warren into the debates. If Carl Paladino hadn’t took out TV and Radio ads stating that the woman and black man should be included in the debates – we would have never had to chance to be on stage with the rest of the candidates. We owe Roger for that – he is a brilliant tactician and we are lucky to have that experience.

    So get over it, you started a war with Roger and he won. Its done and water under the bridge now. He is doing more for the Libertarian party than you ever will. I don’t see you getting anymore press, contributing any money or bringing any QUALITY candidates to the table. Roger sure is. And will continue to be an asset to the party.

  17. John Balzer

    Redlich makes no secret of his bias nature here but maligning Gary Johnson because he receives the support of a veteran political consultant is out of line. Gary Johnson’s integrity is beyond reproach. I see no evidence to support Redlich’s syllogistic argument pegging Gary Johnson as “evil” so such a conclusion is patently false. There are obviously sour grapes here but Gary Johnson is above the fray.

  18. James Watson

    I am emailing the link for this article to a psychiatrist friend of mine. He enjoys identifying and studying thought disorders. How this thing got published would be the next question. Aren’t there laws against this kind of slander?

  19. Susan Spector

    The reason this old droll from Warren Redlich is receiving new interest is solely because Roger Stone just resigned from the GOP, it’s all over the internet. Stone’s heartfelt switch to the Libertarian Party kinda blows Redlichs’ assertions out of the water.

  20. John Dough

    Having reviewed the article, it is my opinion that Redlich does suffer from thought disorder. While it would require further examination to better define him under DSM-V guidelines, his Wiki bio shows that he routinely uses deception as one of his operating tactics. Accusing Stone of said same would then be a phenomenon
    known as “projection” and would lead me to diagnose schizo-effective disorder. Stone was right to suggest citizens call the police if Redlich approaches you.

  21. Vincent Seppala

    Warren Redlich is a washout who couldn’t win any race and moved to Florida with his tail between his legs. For him to create this defamation of Roger Stone and Gary Johnson cannot go unanswered. Roger Stone was participating in the great American electioneering process when Warren Redlich was in diapers. There is danger here for the Libertarian Party and Redlich is it. Here comes a loser who wants to derail the Libertarian frontrunner. The Libertarian Party stands to make great advances in this election, self-serving egotists like Warren Redlich, aside.

  22. Paula Diaz

    I used to like watching Roger Stone on CNN’s Crossfire program. He always had stimulating and to the point comments. I am from the Bronx and remember the governor fiasco all too well. It looks to me like Redlich picked a fight with Stone and Stone beat him up. Redlich sought a rematch in December and now that Stone is getting press, this issue heats up again. Let’s book ‘em both in the Garden and send the proceeds to the Libertarian Party. I bet on Stone.

  23. Robert Capozzi

    23 kd: Furthermore, you should be thanking Roger for getting Warren into the debates. If Carl Paladino hadn’t took out TV and Radio ads stating that the woman and black man should be included in the debates – we would have never had to chance to be on stage with the rest of the candidates. We owe Roger for that – he is a brilliant tactician and we are lucky to have that experience.

    me: Now THIS is interesting. If true, I’m pleased that Redlich got in the debates.

    Presumably, though — again if true — that Stone move triggered Jimmy McMillan getting in the debates. And the rest, as they say, is history.

    The State may continue to grow and degrade our material experience, but at least we have Jimmy’s comedic tour de force in the archives! ;-)

  24. Maria Gomez

    Warren Redlich is the real menace here. He is actively trying to sabotage the Libertarian Party. I would support any effort to KICK HIM OUT. He should consider another occupation beyond taking his spare time to disparage good people like Roger Stone and Gary Johnson. In my mind, he is scum.

  25. paulie

    Roger Stone is good at what he does.

    Granted. It’s just that what he does isn’t good.

    He also made ridiculous campaign videos slandering and making fun of the rest of the candidates.

    What was slanderous about his videos?

    Warren started the entire thing – he needs to accept responsibility for his actions and the damage HE did to the Libertarian party. Not that he is even a Libertarian.

    How is he not a libertarian?

    And as for damage, he came very close to getting the 50,000 needed votes and would have gotten them if it were not for the last minute Stone dirty tricks operation against Warren and his family.

    Its done and water under the bridge now.

    I don’t think it’s done.

    By the way, does your last paragraph mean that you are in the LP now?

  26. Christopher Carlson

    This is an old and non-story. Redlich epitomizes the things that people hate about attorneys. What could he possibly have to gain from this awkward effort to vilify good people like Gary Johnson and Roger Stone? As governor, Gary Johnson performed huge positive efforts for the people of New Mexico. As advisor to Nixon, Reagan and Bush 41, Roger Stone provided a real, positive and historic influence on this country. Stone’s defection from the republicans to the libertarians shows that he cares about the state of this country. For a wash-out lawyer to express a paranoid opinion like this and hurt the libertarian party is disgraceful. Redlich, you should be ashamed!

  27. paulie

    maligning Gary Johnson because he receives the support of a veteran political consultant is out of line.

    The fact that Stone is a veteran political consultant is hardly the salient issue here. Read it again. And again, if necessary.

    How this thing got published would be the next question. Aren’t there laws against this kind of slander?

    Please, don’t make me laugh. How is it slander?

    If anything was slander it was Stone’s malicious fliers, although I think he probably very carefully stayed just within the law. As far as I know the case on that is still pending, though.

  28. paulie

    The reason this old droll from Warren Redlich is receiving new interest is solely because Roger Stone just resigned from the GOP, it’s all over the internet.

    All of the “new interest” (other than Kristin Davis, provided that it’s really her) comes from IPs that start with the same numbers, all within a short time frame. Coincidence?

    Stone’s heartfelt switch to the Libertarian Party

    Maybe, maybe not.

    kinda blows Redlichs’ assertions out of the water.

    How so?

  29. paulie

    his Wiki bio shows that he routinely uses deception as one of his operating tactics. Accusing Stone of said same would then be a phenomenon
    known as “projection”

    Stone is well known for deception. That is hardly a new or unique insight of Redlich’s.

    Stone was right to suggest citizens call the police if Redlich approaches you.

    Ridiculous.

  30. paulie

    Warren Redlich is a washout who couldn’t win any race

    No one expected him to win the governor’s race, but he was in fact a local elected official.

    moved to Florida

    Yes, due to Stone’s underhanded attack.

    this defamation of Roger Stone

    Oh, please.

    Roger Stone was participating in the great American electioneering process when Warren Redlich was in diapers.

    Playing dirty tricks for Richard Nixon (who is tattooed on his back) and his like.

    There is danger here for the Libertarian Party and Redlich is it.

    How so?

  31. paulie

    I used to like watching Roger Stone on CNN’s Crossfire program. He always had stimulating and to the point comments. I am from the Bronx and remember the governor fiasco all too well. It looks to me like Redlich picked a fight with Stone and Stone beat him up. Redlich sought a rematch in December and now that Stone is getting press, this issue heats up again. Let’s book ‘em both in the Garden and send the proceeds to the Libertarian Party. I bet on Stone.

    Gee, why do you sound so much like several commenters with different names and email addresses and similar IPs who posted just before you on an old article in a short time frame? LOL.

  32. paulie

    Warren Redlich is the real menace here. He is actively trying to sabotage the Libertarian Party.

    Yet another similar comment from a similar IP…in the case the exact same one as one of the other comments.

    I would support any effort to KICK HIM OUT.

    No such procedure.

    good people like Roger Stone

    ROFL.

  33. paulie

    @”Christopher Carlson”

    This is getting ridiculous.

    You sound exactly like the other ten or so nonsense comments with different names and different email addresses but similar IPs.

    good people like….Roger Stone?

    Contradiction in terms.

    As advisor to Nixon, Reagan and Bush 41, Roger Stone provided a real, positive and historic influence on this country.

    Another contradiction in terms.

    Stone’s defection from the republicans to the libertarians shows that he cares about the state of this country.

    It means that he has found a new potential host.

    wash-out lawyer

    Where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right, a few comments earlier. Maybe at least try to disguise your writing style, since you are trying to disguise your IP address?

    a paranoid opinion like this

    What’s paranoid about it?

  34. Christopher Carlson

    Warren, the paranoia is evident to everyone on this blog (except you) and hiding behind the name paulie will not cut it. In evidence thereof, self-blogging your clearly paranoid article into a conspiracy over a few comments and quoting so-called evidence of IP numbers and such, man that is crazy. Look back at your work and you will see the manic Captain Queeg all over the responses. Please check yourself in.

  35. paulie

    I’m not Warren.

    I’m one of the people who writes for IPR, and have contributed more articles than anyone else – maybe more than everyone else combined. I’ve also invited most of the other people that write here.

    Many people that regularly comment here know me in real life.

    Now kindly please stop spamming IPR.

    The evidence of IP numbers is actual, not so-called, although everyone here, not just admins such as myself, can see your writing style and the fact that you posted a large number of comments on an old article in a short time frame.

    At some point if you keep this up, your comments may be changed or deleted. I don’t know when you will reach that point, but I would much prefer it if you stop spamming voluntarily and make such additional steps unnecessary.

  36. paulie

    Please check yourself in.

    Please seek professional help for multiple personality disorder and thinking your shockingly bad disguises are fooling anyone.

  37. wolfefan

    @42 – do you ever read this blog? I mean, except for trolling this thread of course. Warren Redlich is paulie? This takes the new prize for stupidest comment ever – dethroning the guy who thinks that every American knows who Wayne Root is.

  38. paulie

    Let’s all give Roger Stone a warm welcome to IPR!

    It would be pretty pathetic if it is Stone himself. I would think he has better things to do with his time, but who knows?

  39. Be Rational

    It seems to me that dropping Roger Stone from his campaign is another item to add to the list of things Gary Johnson will need to do to earn the LP nomination.

    Thank you to Roger’s multi-personality disordered defender here for alerting us to the Roger Stone problem.

  40. Ad Hoc

    Ms. Davis,

    Warren started the entire thing – he needs to accept responsibility for his actions and the damage HE did to the Libertarian party.

    [...]

    He is doing more for the Libertarian party than you ever will. I don’t see you getting anymore press, contributing any money or bringing any QUALITY candidates to the table. Roger sure is. And will continue to be an asset to the party.

    You, with Roger Stone’s help, split the libertarian vote with your Personal Freedom Party, and Stone nailed the coffin shut on 50,000 votes with his last minute “sexual predator/call the police” leaflet smear against Redlich to his neighbors, among others.

    I should say that I like most of what I know of your views, except for the so-called “ground zero mosque,” and I even like your style.

    Given your minor celebrity status and ability to get attention, Roger Stone’s tactical abilities, and your participation in a widely viewed and covered debate, how do you account for you getting less than half as many votes as Redlich?

    I sure hope we can get better results from any future libertarian campaigns that Mr. Stone gets involved in.

  41. Alan Pyeatt

    I don’t know about the Redlich/Stone spat, but there certainly are other potential millstones within the LP. Gary Johnson would do well not to tie them around his neck.

  42. jean-claude baptist

    This is an exciting chat site! It is all over google. The man Paulie is getting famous. What does he have to do with libertarians?

  43. Thomas L. Knapp

    Some mentally defective Stormfront type who keeps posting diatribes on IPR wrote:

    “Pauli is removing these comments”

    Actually he isn’t. I am.

    If it makes you feel any better, your spiritual sibling, “Christian” Identity “pastor” Martin Lindstedt once designated me an honorary Khazar.

    So you can still blame Da Jooz for suppressing your filth, if it makes you feel better.

  44. Rob Banks

    KD

    “Warren started the entire thing”

    Not exactly.

    See http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/04/warren-redlich-carl-paladino-and-roger-stone-stone-calls-on-redlich-to-apologize-for-calling-davis-a-whore/

    Scroll down to the part of the article below the videos which is the email exchange between Redlich and Stone that “started it.”

    Stone starts by trying to persuade Redlich to run for Attorney General rather than Governor, on a ticket headed by Davis. He says the deal has to be made ahead of time or Davis will not go to the convention and will instead file a separate Libertarian Party petition and litigate over the ownership of the party name. He offers to cover the cost of the LP ballot access petition effort.

    Stone suggests that he has the power to have Paladino put Redlich on the Republican ticket for Attorney General as well as the LP’s (NY has fusion).

    Redlich expresses skepticism. He then checks with Paladino to see if this is true. This is the point where Stone gets offended and things get heated and personal from that point on.

    When Paladino does reply, he confirms what Redlich thought, that he already has a running mate for Attorney General.

    Stone’s big bone of contention is that Redlich “went behind his back” to check with Paladino whether the offer had any legs.

    Stone friend and Paladino campaign manager Caputo also confirms later in the conversation that “I do wish you had called to ask me about all this. I would have told you that Carl has already endorsed Dan Donovan for AG. [...] Stone has no business horse trading for Carl.”

    I’m not sure whether it was in this exchange or elsewhere, but Stone said that his main motivation in getting involved was so that Davis, with her emphasis on liberal-libertarian social issues, would take votes from Cuomo, rather than having Redlich, with his emphasis on cutting spending, take fiscal conservative votes from Paladino.

    So how did this all end up?

    Cuomo beat Paladino easily. If Davis had been the LP candidate it would have made no difference.

    Redlich came close to 50,000 votes, and would have had over 50,000 if it were not for the actions of Stone and Davis. Davis did not come even remotely close to 50,000 votes. She also took a position against property rights and religious liberty in the case of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque (actually a multi-use cultural center several blocks away).

    To keep Redlich and the LP from getting 50,000 votes, and to exact personal revenge, Stone had to attack Redlich’s family to the point where they were forced to move out of state. Did either Davis or Paladino gain anything from this? No. Paladino did not come anywhere close to beating Cuomo; Davis did not come anywhere close to beating Redlich or getting 50k.

    In what sense did Redlich “start it” (a schoolyard response even if it were true)?

  45. Rob Banks

    KD @23

    “Warren Redlich wasn’t a victim. At the start of the campaign Mr. Redlich openly called both Roger and I WHORES to the Albany Times Union. I’d never even met Warren at that time. ”

    From

    http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/09/warren-redlich-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-political-opponents-for-sexual-predator-allegations/

    Warren Redlich responds (emphasis added):

    It is unfortunate that politics attracts people like Roger Stone. They can never compete with good people in an open, honest and decent discussion of the issues. Because of that, they try to drive out the good people by attacking us. Mr. Stone’s continued attacks on me are false and clearly intended to cause personal harm. He has succeeded in driving me out as a candidate.

    While I will not glorify his latest attack by linking to it or responding to all of it, I do want to respond to certain statements in his blog post:

    “In the 40 years I have been in American politics, I have never met a more obnoxious or distasteful individual then Albany lawyer Warren Redlich.”

    Mr. Stone and I have never met.

    “Redlich … [called] Kristin Davis a ‘whore’ in an Albany Times Union article. Although Davis once ran [an] escort agency …, there is no evidence she ever worked as a prostitute. … Davis’s interest in the sex industry was strictly business.”

    1. I didn’t call her a prostitute. The blog post in question was about Stone, not about Davis. She was only mentioned as an aside.

    2. Ms. Davis does not refer to her past business as an “escort agency.” Her book title is: The Manhattan Madam: Sex, Drugs, Scandal And Greed Inside America’s Most Successful Prostitution Ring.

    3. The term whore is not limited to prostitutes, with one definition being “a promiscuous or immoral woman.” Some people think running a prostitution ring, or having a business interest in the sex industry, is immoral.

    4. If Ms. Davis is offended by the word, it’s odd that she would use it in the debate so casually:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W-PvwAysHt0

  46. paulie

    This is an exciting chat site! It is all over google. The man Paulie is getting famous.

    Yes, I have to say the sudden fame has been overwhelming.

    One minute I can’t catch a taxi to save my ass, the next minute I post on this thread and voila, I can’t take a crap at Walmart or order a sandwich at Subway without someone bugging me for my autograph.

    I have to admit fame does have its perks though.

    The groupie/movie starlet situation alone, well…..I’ll just let your imagination run wild. It’s all that, and then some.

    LOL

    What does he have to do with libertarians?

    What does a bear have to do with the woods? Oops, no, not that.

    What does the pope have to do with catholicism? No, too arrogant.

    I don’t know; stick around, read some more and figure it out for yourself. Yeah, I’ll go with that one.

  47. paulie

    Actually he isn’t. I am.

    If it makes you feel any better, your spiritual sibling, “Christian” Identity “pastor” Martin Lindstedt once designated me an honorary Khazar.

    Thanks!

    Haven’t heard anything new about Lindstedt in a while btw…

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