IPR has been contacted by a number of top Constitution Party activists and leaders over the last couple of weeks who claim to have inside knowledge of the presidential aspirations of several would-be candidates, amongst them several former members of Congress.
Former Congressmen Tom Tancredo and Virgil Goode are considered to be the frontrunners for the nomination if they want it. Virgil Goode joined the Constitution Party in 2010, though he emphasized he did not leave the Republican Party. Tom Tancredo joined the Constitution Party in 2010 too and ran for Governor of Colorado under that banner–he later rejoined the Republican Party, in what he said was a pre-arranged agreement with the Constitution Party.
Other rumored candidates for the presidential nomination include: former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, former Congressman John Hostettler, former Senator Bob Smith, 2008 Vice Presidential nominee Darrell Castle, New York Times Bestselling Author Jerome Corsi, and former Constitution Party Communications Director Mary Starrett.
It should be noted that Tancredo, Moore, and Smith are amongst a set of candidates who are routinely floated amongst the Constitution Party’s activist base.
122 responses so far ↓
1 Trent Hill // Feb 23, 2011 at 3:04 am
Based on the info I’ve received, I think the most likely candidates are Roy Moore, Tom Tancredo, and Virgil Goode.
If none of those “big three” can be gotten, the CP will fall back on either author Jerome Corsi or Darrell Castle.
2 Timothy Yung // Feb 23, 2011 at 4:48 am
Roy Moore, Bob Smith, and Jerome Corsi have said that they were interested in running but withdrew from consideration last time. Tom Tancredo voted for Patriot Act, the Bank and GM bailouts, and said that bombing Mecca was a bad idea so I am not sure if the CP will nominate him. If they decide to actually be presidential candidates I think the best option would be Bob Smith/ Roy Moore. My dream team which has little chance of happening is Barry Goldwater Jr./Bob Barr for a fusion LP/CP ticket.
3 Trent Hill // Feb 23, 2011 at 4:59 am
Bob Smith is in no way the best option. He’s too old, brings no money or media exposure, and no considerable clout—he’s been forgotten about, basically.
Roy Moore is definitely still the rainbow the CP is chasing. Tom Tancredo may not be popular because of some of his positions, but he brings major media coverage, his own cadre of activists, and lots of money–see Team America PAC.
4 paulie // Feb 23, 2011 at 10:48 am
I think he said it was a good idea.
5 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 23, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Timothy Young
What do you think about Todd M. Palin on the
February 7, 2012 Presidential Preference Ballot
in California? Also, what do you think about
either Gary G. Kreep and Michael “Savage” Weiner on the same Preference Ballot?
Fusion ticket have been outlawed in California,
since 1959. The American Independent Party
has no affiliation with the Constitution Party,
since June 27, 2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
P.S. The Constitution Party of California under the claimed “chairmanship” of Don “Everything
is a fake” Grundmann, has a total California
electorate of 163 on October 18, 2010. The
American Independent Party has a total electorate of 413,032 on the same October 18,
2010 date.
6 Red Phillips // Feb 23, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Corsi would have some explaining to do about his Iran fixation, but having a candidate who could pulpit pound the birth certificate issue could garner the CP some niche support it wouldn’t otherwise get.
7 Timothy Yung // Feb 23, 2011 at 5:08 pm
@4, that’s what I meant, I was typing when I was tired.
@5 I am not interested in Todd Palin or Michael Weiner. I am more interested in a unified opposition to Obama that is why in my dream team would be as LP/CP nomination of Barry Goldwater Jr./ Bob Barr. I am aware that fusion tickets are invalid but what I had in mind was for CP to push for ballot access in states where the LP has insufficient resources and vice v. Maybe have the CP try to get ballot access in 25 states and the LP get ballot access in the other 25 states. Ballot access is very expensive. There can also be a compromise between the LP/CP where both parties regardless of who they nominated will pledge their electoral votes to Ron Paul if they win a state.
8 Jesse Bush // Feb 23, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Michael Savage is a despicable bigot.
And since when does Todd Palin agree to run in your primary when his wife is probably going to run in the Republican primary? What if they both win, wouldn’t he take votes from her?
Would you be OK with it if someone put you on the ballot in a Socialist Party primary? Do you think you should be allowed to opt out of that?
9 citizen1 // Feb 23, 2011 at 7:24 pm
What about Sheriff Mack or Chuck Baldwin?
10 Gene Berkman // Feb 23, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Jerome Corsi did his best to help get George W Bush re-elected with his slanderous and inaccurate book on John Kerry.
More recently he has continued to embarrass himself with baseless claims about Obama’s foreign origins.
Why would anyone pay attention to this over the hill Bush Leaguer who never found a problem with W’s attacks on the Constitution?
11 paulie // Feb 23, 2011 at 7:32 pm
@10 Agreed completely.
12 paulie // Feb 23, 2011 at 7:34 pm
They could definitely do worse.
13 Cody Quirk // Feb 23, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Mark, Todd Palin is not running for President at all and neither would be happy if you put his name on the ballot- especially when his wife might be running for the GOP nomination.
BTW, isn’t Gary Kreep a GOP partisan and also a buddy of yours?
14 paulie // Feb 23, 2011 at 11:20 pm
I have no idea who Gary Kreep is, although he seems to have the right last name for this bunch.
If California has not already banned allowing parties to force unwilling candidates to participate in their primaries, they should ban it before the next election. Sooner the better.
15 HumbleTravis // Feb 23, 2011 at 11:32 pm
A little while ago former congressman John LeBoutillier was also being mentioned by some as a possible Constitution Party candidate, but I don’t remember for what office.
16 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 1:46 am
@10, which piece of scathing footage would you say is the most “baseless?”
1. BO’s wife declaring Kenya is her husband’s home country
2. BO’s buddy Bill Richardsom calling BO an immigrant on C-span
3. Kenyan Ambassador Peter Ogego going on WRIF in Detroit and talking about BO’s birthplace in Kenya
4. BO having all his school records sealed
5. Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie’s failure to find BO’s original birth certificate
17 Trent Hill // Feb 24, 2011 at 6:36 am
“What about Sheriff Mack or Chuck Baldwin?”
Chuck had to be pressed into service last time, I doubt he’d do so again.
Mack–is a maybe. He has more history with the LP than with the CP, but it’s a definite maybe.
18 Trent Hill // Feb 24, 2011 at 6:39 am
“A little while ago former congressman John LeBoutillier was also being mentioned by some as a possible Constitution Party candidate, but I don’t remember for what office.”
He is involved in a local political issue in NYC that keeps him detained there, a Shiavo-type thing, I think. I suspect he could be urged to run for office in NY, but not for President.
19 wolfefan // Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 am
Hi Jay – all of your claims have been debunked at length on other threads – check the Jim Duensing for LP nomination thread for more details. Snopes too. If you have “scathing footage” of #5 for instance, why not post a link to it (and not a link to a Corsi article – after all, you say you have “footage.”)
20 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 am
@ 16 Every time I spend a little time looking into one of those claims, it turns out to be bogus. I suggest you spend some time researching them at
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/, http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/,
http://badfiction.typepad.com/ , http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/ , http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/
Lots of extensive information at those sites.
Off hand, I would guess all of those are distortions. I know the last one is – it’s a total twisting of words by the disreputable Jerome Corsi.
21 Fun K. Chicken // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:12 am
The good, the bad, and the ugly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
22 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:23 am
Respectively here are links to four of the five. There are other red flags as well. These are, IMO, the most eye-opening and most readily available.
1. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=michelle+obama+speech+home+country&aq=f
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CyYnBA_CY (You might need to turn up the volume.)
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CyYnBA_CY
5. I can’t prove a negative here, but to date BO supporter Neil Abercrombie has not produced his BC. There is this interview with reporter Mike Evans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE&feature=player_embedded
Shortly after this interview Mike Evans backpeddled.
I’ll throw in this Sunday Standard headline as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE&feature=player_embedded
Paulie, a cursory glance at the first three links you provided does not debunk the comments made by MO, Richardson, Ogego, The Sunday Standard, Mike Evans, etc.
There is also this possible red-flag as well. A bit long but worth reading if one cares to do so.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109363
23 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:32 am
a cursory glance at the first three links you provided
You’d have to give them a lot more than a cursory look. Lots and lots of information there.
Also, see prior comments at http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/01/jim-duensing-running-for-libertarian-nomination-for-president-of-usa/
24 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:34 am
From wikipedia link @ 21:
in early 2011 (Abercombie) abandoned the effort due to privacy laws barring him from releasing a person’s birth documentation without that person’s consent.
(paraphrasing) He said he did find additional documentation, but was not allowed by law to release it.
25 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:41 am
Must have been a very, very cursory look you gave those sites. First result from the first link,
using the site’s search feature:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/04/michelle-obama-spilt-beans/
Read the discussion in the comments. She was not being literal. She meant it in the same way as John F Kennedy called Ireland his home country.
Really, do spend some time at those sites…I would be very surprised if you have any claim that they have not addressed at length at some point.
26 wolfefan // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:05 am
Hi Paulie –
Gary Kreep is the Seidenberg faction’s lawyer in the case for control of the CA party.
27 wolfefan // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:07 am
Hi Jay – Thanks for your response. I didn’t mean to ask you to prove a negative – just to provide the footage you said you had. Sorry if I wasn’t clear…
Best regards…
28 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:24 am
Per Mike Evans he wasn’t trying to release it, he was trying to find it and he came up empty.
Respectfully, the suggestion that she was simply using a metaphor is weak and pure opinion.
You think Ogego and Richardson were using metaphors too? I don’t. “Dr. Conspiracy” can read minds apparently. Or perhaps all three and the editor at the Sunday Standard had bouts of temporary insanity which lead them to refer to the same individual as an immigrant when that individual is not.
But really the comments made by these people are just the beginning. BO’s various actions highlighted by Phil Berg’s work is more significant.
By the way, I also think the CP can do better than Corsi.
29 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:32 am
Mike Evans is drawing on the same info as Corsi at WND. We discussed this one and the distortions in Corsi’s article, as well as the articles they drew from, on the Duensing thread.
See the source links at wikipedia; Abercombie was prevented from releasing additional information by privacy laws, but says he did find it.
The suggestion that Michelle Obama was using a metaphor rings true, and it doesn’t appear that you read the discussion in the comments. Plus, that was just one cite from one of the sites; check out the others. There’s bound to be more.
What’s the Sunday Standard…is it the Weekly World News of Kenya?
Ogego, Richardson, etc…I don’t have time to look into every single birther claim, but I’ve now spent enough time looking into a few of them to get a feel for the generally shoddy methodology. The folks running the sites I linked at #20 have spent thousands of hours looking into every birther claim imaginable. If there’s one they haven’t addressed yet, I’d be more than a little surprised.
30 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:46 am
It’s not a birther claim, it’s Richardson’s and Ogego’s own words which like MO’s words indicate he was born elsewhere.
I read some of the comments in the discussion. What I saw, like “Dr. Conspiracy’s” thoughts, is opinion.
Berg’s work on this matter speaks for itself.
31 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:47 am
Btw, the #4 link on the wikipedia page is dead.
32 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:48 am
Berg’s work on this matter speaks for itself.
Yep, it sure does. See discussions of it at all the sites linked @ 20.
33 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:50 am
This one isn’t:
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=12721552
34 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:51 am
Which says…
Hawaii Gov. Says Proof of Obama’s Birth Certificate Exists but Hasn’t Produced the Document
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN and DEVIN DWYER
1/20/2011, 4:49 PM EST
‘Birther’ Says, ‘If You Have It, Show It to Us’
Officials in Hawaii say they have located President Obama’s birth certificate indicating that he was born in the state, but have yet to produce the document at the heart of a long-simmering conspiracy theory.
“Our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives written down,” Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie told Honolulu’s Star-Advertiser.
“What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case,” he told the paper.
Next
35 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:55 am
If it’s like other birther claims, such as the one about Sarah Obama (I read the full interview transcript, including the part that birthers leave out), their words were taken out of context, distorted, or in a few cases actually falsified.
Like I said, I’m not going to look into every birther claim — that includes actual quotes, yes — but I’m quite sure the sites I referenced have. If there’s anything they haven’t examined already, I’d be more than a little surprised.
36 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 10:58 am
One other thing: some fairly popular youtube clips use words that a person said at different points during a speech edited to make it seem like a statement they haven’t made. I came across this method used by birthers at least once, although I don’t remember which clip it was. I would recommend checking any alleged evidence for Kenyan birth theories at the links @ 20.
37 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 11:04 am
“their words were taken out of context, distorted, or in a few cases actually falsified.”
Since you’re not familiar with the comments made by Richardson and Ogego click on the link and decide for yourself. If you choose not to that’s your business. I was asked to provide links, I did so.
Abercrombie’s comments fly in the face of what Evans stated. I guess both were temporarily insane as well.
38 Fun K. Chicken // Feb 24, 2011 at 11:06 am
” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/, http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/,
http://badfiction.typepad.com/ , http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/ , http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ”
These sites definitely make a lot of sense…
39 Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee // Feb 24, 2011 at 2:16 pm
1. No more imports
2. No more immigrants
3. Round up and deport illegals
4. Reinstate the draft
5. Put 10 million troops at the Mexican border with shoot to kill all Mexicans on sight orders
6. Execute all dopers
7. War with all Muslims and Chinese now
8. Drill baby drill, nuclear power, energy independence
9. Sodomy and abortion should be capital crimes
10. Put God back in the schools and courts
A. Nationalize the federal reserve, all banks and stock exchanges, money lending institutions and credit card companies.
B. Nationalize all media: TV stations, radio, newspapers, film making, etc.
C. Massive public works program to fix our infrastructure and build more: roads, bridges, tunnels, dams, water pipes, public monuments, etc.
D. Repudiate the national debt and all government debt at all levels, and make any future government borrowing illegal.
E. Anyone who refuses to acknowledge Jesus as their Lord and Savior loses the right to vote forever.
F. Public flogging and road gangs for all petty criminals.
G. No foreigners or heathens may own stock in any US corporations or buy any US property. Nationalize all current property owned by foreigners and heathens.
H. Repeal all existing taxes. Replace them with a single, fixed amount head tax on every head of household. Anyone who can’t pay the tax is drafted into the military or public works.
I. Repeal the 19th amendment (womens vote) and no fault divorce.
J. Bring back segregation.
Now get to work, find a candidate to implemet this and win, save the USA or Southern Secession with nuclear weapons and nuclear power!!!!!!
40 Red Phillips // Feb 24, 2011 at 2:57 pm
“A little while ago former congressman John LeBoutillier was also being mentioned by some as a possible Constitution Party candidate”
LaBoutillier writes frequently at EtherZone. He is a thoughtful guy, but not really easy to put in a box. I suspect he has written a lot that would run him afoul of the CP. I’m not sure, but I think I recall him arguing for political pragmatism in the past. I don’t recall the details but I remember being surprised by it. I’ll see if I can find the link.
41 NewFederalist // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Bubba- Don’t post that at Tea Party Patriots… they will think you’re serious.
42 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@ 41 pretty ironic for a group of “taxed enough already” since that plan calls for massive increases in government spending and nationalization of large parts of the economy. And all the warmongering would be pretty expensive too, I imagine. War on all Muslims and all Chinese? That’s billions of people, Bubba.
43 Red Phillips // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Re. Neil Abercombie, he did not say he couldn’t find the BC. I think that WND headline was misleading. (Some of the initial fuss was based on the Mike Evan’s statement which he later back tracked.) Abercombie made noise about looking for it and releasing it (for Obama’s sake of course), but later quietly announced that he couldn’t release it even if he found it because he would need Obama’s permission to do so. So the story just pretty much went away.
So the question remains why won’t Obama authorize the release of the long form BC? If just a few committed mainstream journalist would press on this issue and not relent until they get a satisfactory answer the whole thing could blow wide open. Our press corp has been curiously incurious (negligent really) on this matter.
44 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:29 pm
@ 43 The two “best fit” theories I’ve seen to date on that: either
A) he is in fact hiding something about his parents, health issue at birth, etc., but not the matter of where he was born
or
B) it deflects from serious criticism of Obama, makes his opponents seems stupid/crazy, keeps them chasing their tails and focusing their attention other than where it should be; Obama and his handlers may want to intentionally perpetuate that.
45 Porn Again Christian // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:51 pm
LOL Birthtards….
46 Porn Again Christian // Feb 24, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Also, did Bubba get a hold of a bad batch of meth or what?
47 Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee // Feb 24, 2011 at 4:55 pm
I don’t do dope.
And I’m 100% completely serious.
Serious as a nuclear attack.
48 Red Phillips // Feb 24, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Bubba is obviously attempting to spoof conservatives. What he apparently doesn’t realize is that his caricature mixes up types of conservatives. Those most concerned about immigration and trade are more likely to be skeptical of foreign intervention. Intervetionists, particularly those of the ideological neocon variety, are big supporters of (legal) immigration and free trade. This fits their overall internationalist/universalistic outlook. Recall Bush’s recent warning about the menace of “isolationism,” nativism” and “protectionism.”
I suggest Bubba get his fact straight before he attempts any more spoofs.
49 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 5:41 pm
@ 45, name calling doesn’t refute the statements of the aforementioned individuals nor does it refute BO’s actions (or lack of them) on the matter. If you have something constructive to present (other than the opinions of bloggers) go for it.
@ 44, I disagree it deflects critism. Are you finding a shortage of that in the MSM or elsewhere? I’m not.
50 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Deflects, as in, sends down a misdirected path. It’s what a magician does to keep your attention focused on a diversion, so you miss something elsewhere.
If I was in the Obama camp and I had his long form, I’d keep it under wraps just to keep people chasing their tails and getting worked up about it.
51 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Watch the boidie….the hand is quicker than the eye….
52 Porn Again Christian // Feb 24, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Look….what’s that over there…
53 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 8:36 pm
It’s exagerated enough that it must certainly be a spoof, but I’m not sure it is of conservatives. Massive public works, nationalizing banks and stock exchanges, nationalizing media outlets, nationalizing this, nationalizing that…that’s not most Americans’ idea of conservative.
Sometimes, but not always. For instance, in doing research at ontheissues I found that Trump was anti-trade and anti-immigration, but also considered the US budget too low. Tancredo is against most immigration, and thinks the US should nuke Mecca (I’d have to look up his trade positions). And so on. There seem to be people who line up in more than two ways on these sets of issues.
Getting back to the article and first few posts, I notice that most of the possible Constitution Party presidential candidates being discussed are interventionists. What do you think of that?
54 Blubber // Feb 24, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Oh Bubba, have another Bud.
55 Jay Matthews // Feb 24, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Paulie, trouble is this matter came up well before he was in office when there was no reason to keep people “tail-chasing.”
Btw, no, the Sunday Standard isn’t a Weekly World News type publication.
56 paulie // Feb 24, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Paulie, trouble is this matter came up well before he was in office when there was no reason to keep people “tail-chasing.”
What was different about it then? Same dynamic.
Sunday Standard isn’t a Weekly World News type publication.
I don’t feel like running in circles. If you look and it doesn’t come up in the search engines of any of the sites I mentioned, maybe I’ll waste some more time, maybe not. I already explained why it doesn’t matter in the comments at http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/01/jim-duensing-running-for-libertarian-nomination-for-president-of-usa/
Having spent a few hours taking a deeper look at birther claims to be better prepared to argue them in that thread, I found every single one I looked at to be crap, and usually pretty obvious crap too, and besides….read the comments on that thread why it wouldn’t matter regardless.
57 Jay Matthews // Feb 25, 2011 at 12:14 am
What was different about it was at the time he was a comparatively little-known candidate.
You don’t feel like running in circles and neither do I so why don’t you defend you position concretely, not with opinions by nameless others like “Dr. Conspiracy” and not with links to a half-dozen other sites just two items:
1. Why notable people like Ogego, Richardson, MO, and the Sunday Standard have all made varying comments which state the same thing: he was born outside the U.S.A.? (The newspaper goes back to ’04.)
2. Why Berg is wrong in his assertion when BO went to school in Indonesia the law in Indonesia at the time was such that he could have only done so as an Indonesian citizen and therefore no matter where he was born he’s ineligible for POTUS?
Again, no blog referrals or links with hundreds of comments on multiple matters please. Let’s cut to the chase on these two points only. If you’re well-versed on debunking birther arguments this should be easy.
58 paulie // Feb 25, 2011 at 12:30 am
What was different about it was at the time he was a comparatively little-known candidate.
Same difference. It deflected his opponents then, it deflects them now. It does not gain them/you/us anything. He is not hurt by it; it benefits him.
why don’t you defend you position concretely, not with opinions by nameless others like “Dr. Conspiracy” and not with links to a half-dozen other sites
Obviously you have not looked at http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/, http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/,
http://badfiction.typepad.com/ , http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/ , http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/
nearly enough. Most of them are not anonymous at all.
And whether they are anonymous or not is irrelevant. What matters is the wealth of information on those sites.
just two items….no blog referrals or links with hundreds of comments on multiple matters please. Let’s cut to the chase on these two points only. If you’re well-versed on debunking birther arguments this should be easy.
Yeah, it would be pretty easy, but I have better things to do. I already referred you to other threads where I explain why it wouldn’t matter anyway.
I’ve already given a cursory look at to some of your claims in this thread, and they have been nothing outside the usual modus operandi of birther claims.
You even repeated the Abercombie thing, which I did look into sufficiently fairly recently, and it turned out to be hot air.
So, rather than spend another hour getting to the bottom of two more stories just like the others, I’ll just continue to refer you to the sites that have already done all the homework on every birther claim imaginable. If you don’t want to look at them, that’s your business.
I’ve looked at them enough. Every time one of these things come up, I go there, look, and the answers are there and they make sense. I don’t have to spend very long doing it, but I’ve done it enough to where the time adds up.
So, if you go and spend an hour using their search engines and don’t find your answers, maybe I’ll spend another hour – maybe not. Again, I’ve explained on previous threads why this is a trivial issue in any case.
But if you tell me that you looked and didn’t find an answer there, and then I go look and find it in an hour or less, that will be the very last time I will do that.
Anyway, you have your priorities, I have mine. I’ve examined the issue sufficiently for my satisafaction that I agree with Berkman: Corsi has continued to embarrass himself with baseless claims about Obama’s foreign origins. If nothing else, the hot air Corsi stirred up about Abercombie would by itself qualify that statement as accurate.
Anyway, here you go: my criteria is that an hour of my time is worth, at minimum, an hour of your time per specific claim at the sites I referred you to and their internal search engines.
If and when you do that, let me know.
Until then, refer to previous statements.
59 Matt Cholko // Feb 25, 2011 at 12:35 am
In my mind, it makes no difference where he was born. That’s a stupid requirement anyway. If the guy can get the votes to win the election, then he should be president.
60 Jay Matthews // Feb 25, 2011 at 12:47 am
For the record you’ve run from these two items you state would be “pretty easy” to debunk yet have not done so instead electing to tell me to go search a bunch of blogs.
When asked to substantiate my original post I didn’t say “go search youtube for their comments.”
Ironically, if you had the ability to do so you would have resulting in you spending LESS time composing a reply.
“But if you tell me that you looked and didn’t find an answer there, and then I go look and find it in an hour or less”
If you were actually familiar with the two items I referred to above you wouldn’t need to find anything, you’d know it cold therefore making a reply “pretty easy.”
Guess it’s not so easy huh?
We’ll agree to disagree. Have a good night.
61 Michael H. Wilson // Feb 25, 2011 at 12:59 am
Can Ron Paul prove that he was born in the U.S. of A.? I have never seen his birth certificate.
btw even if Obama can prove he was born in Hawaii I am sure someone will pop their head up and offer proof that Hawaii was never legally admitted to the union. As a matter of fact let’s start that rumor right no.
62 paulie // Feb 25, 2011 at 1:41 am
Ironically, if you had the ability to do so you would have resulting in you spending LESS time composing a reply.
Nope, I like to be pretty thorough with my research. It would take an hour, maybe several.
These comments typically take a minute or two, and I wasn’t expecting you to keep responding when I already told you where the answers are.
I easily have the ability. I don’t want to waste time on it. Been there and done that. If you want me to even consider going down that road again, I have pre-conditions I have already posted. It’s that simple.
Guess it’s not so easy huh?
Very easy, just time consuming, and I have better things to do.
As Matt points out, In my mind, it makes no difference where he was born. That’s a stupid requirement anyway.
I’m confident he was born in Hawaii, but it would still be irrelevant if he was born on Mars.
And perpetuating these stories only makes the people who do so look foolish, while keeping them from more productive pursuits, all of which serves to strengthen Obama’s hand.
I’ll continue to stand by “Corsi has continued to embarrass himself with baseless claims about Obama’s foreign origins. If nothing else, the hot air Corsi stirred up about Abercombie would by itself qualify that statement as accurate.”
I did check that one out, and I can say with confidence that it is hot air. It would still be hot air even if the Michelle Obama thing wasn’t hot air, but that one was easy to explain too.
I don’t have to go through the trouble of chasing down every single birther claim, when I’ve looked at several and quickly found the errors in them. After several trips down a dry hole, another one is ill advised. However, I’ve found soources that address every single such claim ever thrown at me in detail. It never takes long to find the answer there. Look, or don’t look, whatever.
Uh..tired…repeating myself. Refer to previous statement. Good night.
63 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement // Feb 25, 2011 at 2:13 am
Matt Cholko // Feb 25, 2011:
“……. it makes no difference where he was born. That’s a stupid requirement anyway. If the guy can get the votes to win the election, then he should be president ……..”
[Lake: I feel the same 'bout the origins of John 'Republic of Panama' McCain. Now there are tons of stuff that does bother me 'bout him and the Electoral College. But his birth, NBD.]
64 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement // Feb 25, 2011 at 2:22 am
Michael H. Wilson // Feb 25, 2011:
“………. I am sure someone will pop their head up and offer proof that Hawaii was never legally admitted to the union. As a matter of fact let’s start that rumor right now ………”
[Lake: start with author of famous 'Aloha Oe' hula, Last Queen of Hawaii and [Lili 'Uokalani] her embattled life and reign, American Experience, WGBH Boston Video, 996.902, HAWAIIS, DVD5170]
65 Cody Quirk // Feb 25, 2011 at 2:24 am
Gary Kreep is the Seidenberg faction’s lawyer in the case for control of the CA party.
= No wonder why Seidenberg wants to put him on the ballot.
66 Jerry S. // Feb 26, 2011 at 12:10 pm
They need to give Goode a bullet proof vest and send him into Iowa and NH in the RP caucus and primary. Do like Ron P did in ’07-’08 except when he fails in his RP bid he switches to the CP and takes millions of votes with him for the general election.
Use the MSM as much as possible to build the mass following he would get. Goode is a George Wallace type figure (not near as good on the stump but similar). A lot of people like a candidate that will say what’s on their mind without fear. Of course that can cause you to catch bullets in this country sometimes (T.Roosevelt, G.Wallace, etc). The gov’t wouldn’t give him SS coverage until the last minute (hence the bp vest).
I personally am impressed with Mary Starrett. If the CP can’t get a bigger name they definitely could do worse than Mrs Starrett. She is trained and comfortable in front of a camera. That plays well to the masses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY&feature=player_embedded
Goode/Starett would certainly bring the CP their largest totals to date…
PEACE now please!
67 Jerry S. // Feb 26, 2011 at 12:35 pm
They should give Goode a bullet proof vest and send him into the RP’s Iowa Causus and the NH primary. Use the MSM. Just like Ron P. in ’07-’08 but when he fails in the RP bid take the millions of followers into the CP for the general election.
Goode is a George Wallace Sr. type politician (not as good on the stump but similar). A lot of people like a candidate to say what they are thinking, not whats on the teleprompter, without fear. Of course that can cause you to catch bullets sometimes in this country (T.Roosevelt, G.Wallace, etc.). The gov’t probably wouldn’t give him SS protection until it was too late Hence the bp vest!
I personally am impressed with Mary Starrett. She is trained and comfortable in front of a camera. That plays well with the masses! If the CP cannot get a bigger name they could do much worse than Mrs. Starrett.
Welcome to a new refreshing ANSWER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY&feature=player_embedded
A Goode/Starrett ticket would certainly bring the CP their largest totals yet! They do need to get that CA problem worked out however…
PEACE now please!
68 Jerry S // Feb 26, 2011 at 1:23 pm
They should give Goode a bullet proof vest and send him into the RP’s Iowa Causus and the NH primary. Use the MSM. Just like Ron P. in ’07-’08 but when he fails in the RP bid take the millions of followers into the CP for the general election.
Goode is a George Wallace Sr. type politician (not as good on the stump but similar). A lot of people like a candidate to say what they are thinking, not whats on the teleprompter, without fear. Of course that can cause you to catch bullets sometimes in this country (T.Roosevelt, G.Wallace, etc.). The gov’t probably wouldn’t give him SS protection until it was too late Hence the bp vest!
I personally am impressed with Mary Starrett. She is trained and comfortable in front of a camera. That plays well with the masses! If the CP cannot get a bigger name they could do much worse than Mrs. Starrett.
Welcome to a new refreshing ANSWER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY&feature=player_embedded
A Goode/Starrett ticket would certainly bring the CP their largest totals yet! They do need to get that CA problem worked out however…
PEACE now please!
**^^^**
PS -Paulie, I couldn’t get the email (ipr@g.mail.com)to work. (if you haven’t already and I missed it) I hope you will consider using this
“http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/02/22/an-end-to-foreign-aid/ ”
from American Concervative in IPR. I know it’s not third party but it’s very important to most Americans. It is exciting to know that 73% of Americans agree!
THX, Jerry
69 paulie // Feb 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm
except when he fails in his RP bid he switches to the CP and takes millions of votes with him for the general election.
It doesn’t actually work that way. Support for the same person, running as a Republican in the primaries, does not equal support in the general election.
Case in point: Pat Buchanan.
70 paulie // Feb 26, 2011 at 2:52 pm
PS -Paulie, I couldn’t get the email (ipr@g.mail.com)to work
That’s because it’s actually contact.ipr@gmail.com
just copy and paste that.
71 paulie // Feb 26, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I hope you will consider using this
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/02/22/an-end-to-foreign-aid/
from American Concervative in IPR. I know it’s not third party but it’s very important to most Americans
There are many important issues and interesting articles, but that does not make them IPR material. We have a rather narrow focus here, for better or for worse. However, discussions in the comments are not nearly so narrow and we have a readers’ general news thread where you can post items like that if they don’t fit into any ongoing discussions.
Also, your comments were accidentally trapped in the automated spam filter. Write contact.ipr@gmail.com if that happens again.
72 Jerry S. // Feb 26, 2011 at 10:58 pm
They should give Goode a bullet proof vest and send him into the RP’s Iowa Causus and NH primary. Use the MSM. Just like Ron P. in ’07-’08 but when he fails in the RP bid take the millions of followers into the CP for the general election.
Goode is a George Wallace Sr. type politician (not as good on the stump but similar). A lot of people like a candidate who says what they are thinking, not whats on the teleprompter, without fear of man or beast. Of course that can cause you to catch bullets sometimes in this country (T.Roosevelt, G.Wallace, etc.). The gov’t probably wouldn’t give him SS protection until it was too late Hence the bp vest!
I personally am impressed with Mary Starrett. She is trained and comfortable in front of a camera. That plays well with the masses! If the CP cannot get a bigger name they could do much worse than Mrs. Starrett.
Welcome to a new refreshing ANSWER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SobkISNrY&feature=player_embedded
A Goode/Starrett ticket would certainly bring the CP their largest totals yet! They do need to get that CA problem worked out however…
PEACE now please!
and while you are at it
END all Foreign Aid…
73 Jerry S. // Feb 26, 2011 at 11:05 pm
I apologize for double post but didn’t know it posted earlier.
Pat B. had ran out of steam and they named the wrong VP.
Don’t you think Paul would have got millions ?
74 Jerry S. // Feb 26, 2011 at 11:17 pm
“your comments were accidentally trapped in the automated spam filter.”
Thought I was banned !!! Oh well I probably belong in there anyway…
75 paulie // Feb 26, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Pat B. had ran out of steam and they named the wrong VP.
Buchanan’s VP had nothing to do with it (unless you mean to say the vast majority of his supporters are hardcore racists/sexists? I know there are some like that, but I don’t think it’s anything like millions or even hundreds of thousand of people who would have voted for him otherwise. Tens of thousands, maybe).
Don’t you think Paul would have got millions ?
Probably not. And Virgil Goode is a long way from being Ron Paul.
Thought I was banned !
Not yet. It takes a lot of hard work to earn that distinction. Many have tried, but few if any have succeeded. Three or four people who have worked at it the hardest have earned the privilege of their own dedicated comment threads. Others tried really hard, got bored and eventually left on their own.
76 National News | Forging a New Re-birth of Freedom // Feb 27, 2011 at 1:39 pm
[...] Early Constitution Party Presidential Considerations for 2011 [...]
77 Bubba E. T. J. D. Lee // Feb 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Like I said. I’m not spoofin’ squat.
I’m 100% completely serious.
Serious as a nuclear attack.
To hell with the foreigners and heathens.
78 fun k. chicken // Feb 27, 2011 at 9:38 pm
If you are not a spoof there is something seriously wrong with your brain.
79 paulie // Feb 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm
To the original article:
Not that it’s really any of my business, since I’m very unlikely to support anyone the CP could conceivably nominate except perhaps Ron Paul (and I don’t believe he would accept), but Castle and Starrett seem to me to be better choices than the outsider choices mentioned (Tancredo, Corsi, Moore, Hostettler, Goode, Smith).
Most of those are pro-war/terrible on foreign policy.
All of them are far likelier to run the campaign in such a way as to make it all about them, not the party.
I’ve been meaning to do an article about this as to how it also plays out in the Libertarian and Green Parties…short answer, I think a committed long-term party activist is generally a better choice than a flash in the pan name candidate who is less steeped in a party’s views and internal culture.
For comparison, see the Green Party discussion of a similar problem in the comments at at http://www.greenpartywatch.org/2011/02/07/green-party-presidential-poll-february-2011/
80 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement // Feb 28, 2011 at 12:26 am
Others tried really hard, got bored and eventually left on their own …………
[Lake: or were, and always have been, a sincere non Dem / non GOP. Have tried to ‘follow da rules’ how every foggy the road. Not bored but over whelmed by medical events. Not left, but spent October sniping at Nightmare Nightingale. And February, at ending the career of the worst big town mayor in the USA.
81 Don Grundmann // Feb 28, 2011 at 2:43 am
” but spent October sniping at Nightmare Nightingale.”
Response – Lake – You were, as is ( was? ) your continuing habit, LYING and NOT ” sniping.” You put out a continuous stream of outright and outrageous lies about Chelene. This from you who has in other posts claimed the need for ” truth ” which you then turned around and completely denied to Chelene. You also accuse others, as with Cody, of ” making it up as they go along ” – exactly what you did in your continuous lying about Chelene. I haven’ t seen your apology for your outright lying. It is a new year. You can ” turn over a new leaf ” by apologizing for your countless lies about Chelene.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
82 Jay Matthews // Feb 28, 2011 at 2:48 am
@ 62, I’ve given you several days to debunk just two points and you gave me what I expected: excuses and red-herrings.
“Nope, I like to be pretty thorough with my research. It would take an hour, maybe several.”
“Just time consuming”
“I’ve found soources that address every single such claim ever thrown at me in detail. It never takes long to find the answer there.”
Flawed logic….. if it doesn’t take long it can’t also be time-consuming.
“even if the Michelle Obama thing wasn’t hot air, but that one was easy to explain too.”
You’ve given no explanation and when I called you out that some unknown blogger’s opinion of “she must have been using a metaphor” is just that, an opinion and not fact. Ironically even you called it “a suggestion.” But I suppose you’d claim all four sources are using metaphors and the fact those metaphors all point to him being born outside the USA is only a wild coincidence.
“One other thing: some fairly popular youtube clips use words that a person said at different points during a speech edited to make it seem like a statement they haven’t made. I came across this method used by birthers at least once, although I don’t remember which clip it was.”
If you remember which one it was I’d like to know.
“I’m confident he was born in Hawaii, but it would still be irrelevant if he was born on Mars.”
By law, no it wouldn’t.
“I don’t have to go through the trouble of chasing down every single birther claim”
I pointed to two, not every single, which you have no answers for. And why? Because in the absense of reason to believe otherwise a reasonable person would conclude sources friendly to BO would not lie about him.
But if you have anything on Indonesian law which makes Berg wrong, please, offer it up.
@61, if you were more familiar with the subject matter you could answer your own question.
83 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement // Feb 28, 2011 at 3:48 am
” turn over a new leaf ” by apologizing for your countless lies about Chelene,
[and you and Coty Banks??????. No, no, no. One of my proudest moments. Right up there with putting John Anderson on the Arid Zona presidential ballot in 1980, with putting Henry Ross Perot on ;the California presidential ballot in 1992, the only Californian to be the one and only initial kickoff speaker at all three Dump Governor Gray Davis state wide rallies in 2003. No apology, just a lot of self satisfaction and out ride pride. Nightingale, self important stinkie immoral political skank ........]
84 paulie // Feb 28, 2011 at 8:44 am
Mr. Grundmann,
Welcome back. I was beginning to be a bit concerned for you, as you have not been around to answer each and every mark Seidenberg comment lately, as you usually are.
Mr. Matthews,
. if it doesn’t take long it can’t also be time-consuming.
Still more than I want to spend. Been there, done that.
As Brad Spangler said on his facebook yestaerday, the biggest problem with birthers is that they think it matters.
For those of you who keep thinking it matters, rather than be your errand boy, I’ll just keep referring you to the vast amounts of information at http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/, http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/,
http://badfiction.typepad.com/ , http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/ , http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/
Even if you don’t go there to check out your claims, perhaps some other people reading will.
Me, I got better things to do.
85 Don Grundmann // Mar 1, 2011 at 1:36 am
” No apology, just a lot of self satisfaction and out ride pride. Nightingale, self important stinkie immoral political skank ……..]
Response – Pride in being a liar. That’s the Lake that I know. Along with using terms that perfectly apply to you – self-important, immoral. Continuing with the Lake tradition – calling Chelene by terms which you do yourself – ” making it up as you go along ” ( known as LYING ), immoral ( as in your continuous LIES ). Self-satisfaction in being a liar. A new year and the same old walking turd. You deserve what you get – and so much more.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
86 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorcement // Mar 1, 2011 at 2:18 am
ah, ya didn’t talk that way in 2004 when I was your champion with in the Reform / Deform Party of California ………. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
You are whom you are and it shows.
87 Don Grundmann // Mar 1, 2011 at 11:13 am
Lake – A) You did not go on a campaign of continuous outright lying against Chelene in 2004. B) You did not continue such a campaign after repeated exposures of such lies and requests that you stop lying. C) You did not proclaim ” pride ” in conducting such a campaign of continuous lying. D) You did not go on a campaign of defending homosexual perversion; in particular attacks upon children. E) You did not go on a campaign of attacking me for exposing your support of such homosexual perversion. F) You did not conduct a nitwit idiotic campaign of writing to the State Board ( much less the IRS and other agencies and also urging others to do so ) to have me attacked and/or my license taken for no reason other than my challenging you regarding your support and endorsement of homosexual perversion. G) You did not accuse myself and others of ” making it up as you go along ” when it was YOU who were doing EXACTLY THAT – i.e.; LYING again and again and again and again and again and….
What kind of person does the above actions? Any person with a conscience could and would not possibly do such actions. ONLY a totally immoral person with far more, and many, negative qualities would do such actions.
As you put so well – You are whom you are and it shows.
It is YOU who ” did not talk that way in 2004.”
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
88 Trent Hill // Mar 1, 2011 at 9:45 pm
“Not that it’s really any of my business, since I’m very unlikely to support anyone the CP could conceivably nominate except perhaps Ron Paul (and I don’t believe he would accept), but Castle and Starrett seem to me to be better choices than the outsider choices mentioned (Tancredo, Corsi, Moore, Hostettler, Goode, Smith). ”
There are certainly advantages to having an insider-candidate. One is that they understand the party already, have long-term/party-oriented goals in mind, etc. They also are highly unlikely to reach new demographics or get more press/attention/money/votes.
You are right that most of the people who are rumored to be possible Presidential nominees have had some interventionist proclivities. If those candidate de-emphasize the foreign policy issues, or downright change their stances, then they’d have an opportunity to win the nomination of the CP. If they focus on them, ala Alan Keyes, they’ll be crushed in an embarrassing convention fight–just like Alan Keyes was.
Hostettler and Moore, for the record, are more in line with the CP’s foreign policy planks.
89 Mark Seidenberg // Mar 6, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Paulie
In the latest writing of Jim King in the case of KING vs, ROBINSON he asseverates that:
“Traditionally, the Constitution Party would
hold the bienniel convention in August or so,
several weeks after the summer primary, because the by-laws and statutes governing
the convention held that the winners of the
primary elections were to control the nominations of delegates to the convention.”
This is disinformation. The only August convention I have retrospection of took place
at the Del Coronado Hotel near San Diego.
That was pre-CP with the US Tax Payers Party,
on August 15 – 16, 1996 that elected Howard
Phillips and Herb Titus for President and Vice
President.
Has any one ever seen a by-law or statues governing the Constitution Party Convention
that held that the winners of the party primary
elections were to control the nominations of delegates to the Constitution Party Convention?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg,
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
90 Jay Matthews // Mar 6, 2011 at 10:26 pm
@ 84,
“the biggest problem with birthers is that they think it matters.”
Your opinion that it doesn’t matter is quite different than the two points being made are baseless. (Which by now you would have debunked and fed me a big ol’ slice of humble pie if you could have.)
“I’ll just keep referring you to the vast amounts of information”
That information being opinions of others. How about speaking for yourself with facts?
“Still more than I want to spend. Been there done that.”
Then debunk the two points. Guess you haven’t been “there.”
“Me, I got better things to do.”
How convenient.
91 paulie // Mar 6, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@89 Any reason you are addressing that to me?
@90 Which by now you would have debunked and fed me a big ol’ slice of humble pie if you could have. Could, yes. Want to take the time to, no. Why not? Because it doesn’t matter, that’s why.
How about speaking for yourself with facts?
Those are facts. Look them up, or don’t.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/, http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/,
http://badfiction.typepad.com/ , http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/ , http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/
More information there than you can shake a stick at. Lots of facts.
All I’d be doing is playing fetch.
I have other priorities.
Guess you haven’t been “there.”
Yep, I have. Don’t feel like taking a return trip. If you or anyone else reading feels like going there, I already issued free tickets.
How convenient.
The fact that I have other priorities may or may not be convenient for you, but it’s a fact nonetheless.
You will gain nothing by continuing to waste my time with this.
92 Mark Seidenberg // Mar 6, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Paulie
Because of post #62. As for post 61, that was the
issue that came up in #61. My January, 2008 article was a refutation to that same argument on
Hawai’i. Obama’s mama was only 18 years of
Age at his birth. Therefore, she was not a resident of the United States for 5 years after the age of 14, Obama’s grandfather paternal was
let out of prison in 1951 after a 1949 conviction
of taking the Mau Mau oath on the grounds he
was covered by the issues of IN RE Ross, before
the United States Supreme Court in 1891.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
93 paulie // Mar 6, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Post 62 was about the birther stuff. 89 was about Jim King. I have no idea what connection you are trying to draw.
How old Obama’s mother was or where his father was from is irrelevant. See links repeated again for your convenience @ 91 as to why.
94 Mark Seidenberg // Mar 7, 2011 at 1:08 am
Paulie:
You are incorrect it is related. Let’s take the status of John Sidney McCain III. He was born
out of wedlock to Roberta Wright with the
punative father John Sidney McCain II. At
the time of McCain III birth on August 29,
1936 at the Colon Hospital (which was owned
by the Panama Railroad Company), Colon Island, Republic of Panama.
In January, 1933, Roberta Wright and John
S. McCain II had a sham marriage in Ceasar’s
Bar, TJ, Baha California. Just like Ike and Tina
Turner, because they were not married at the
Office of the Civil Registry.
Mexico, Panama, and the United States all ratified the Hague Convention of Nationality
of 1930.
On August 4, 1937, about 8 month after John S.
McCain III arrive in the United States, Congress
passed the Panama Collective Naturalization Act. McCain III born out of wedlock, so his mother could not make him a citizen at birth,
because she was not employed by either the United States Governemt or the Panama Railroad
Company or its successor..
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
95 paulie // Mar 7, 2011 at 1:14 am
A) See websites previously referenced for why it’s not related.
B) I’m bored with this subject.
C) Still no idea what this has to do with @89 or why @89 was addressed to me or what @89 has to do with @62.
96 Don Grundmann // Mar 7, 2011 at 1:47 am
Paulie – I will see if the legal brief which Mark Seidenberg refers to in #89 can be posted. It will show what liars both he and Mark Robinson are and will, again but in a different perspective, describe how corrupt their actions were/are. He mentions a sentence in the brief but does not describe the whole as it directly, yet again, exposes his corruption. He writes about the corruption of John McCain but his own corruption is thousands of times greater than any which McCain may have.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
97 HumbleTravis // Mar 14, 2011 at 1:14 am
Has anybody from the Constitution Party ever tried to contact Paul Craig Roberts or former Colorado State Senator Charlie Duke to run for anything?
98 Jay Matthews // Apr 7, 2011 at 5:57 am
“Could, yes. Want to take the time to, no.”
So in other words you haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about as you haven’t pursued the matter. If you did you would have said something of substance by now.
“Those are facts. Look them up, or don’t.”
Bloggers opinions are just that, opinions. That aside, I asked you to refute just two points and you can’t. Trying to hide under the guise of “I don’t care to spend the time” is fooling no one.
“Don’t feel like taking a return trip.”
You never took a first trip which is why you can’t refute two of the most basic “birther” points. If you knew what you were talking about it would roll off the tongue. You’re just “confident” he was born in Hawaii. BO’s buddies feel otherwise.
“The fact that I have other priorities may or may not be convenient for you, but it’s a fact nonetheless.”
Again, the excuses are transparent. The truth is you have nothing to refute the two points I presented. If you had something you would have presented it.
Think twice the next time you’re going to call birther claims baseless and easy to debunk. You might be called out on it.
99 paulie // Apr 7, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Good lord. Are you seriously still bringing this up? All you are doing is repeating yourself and I don’t have time. I have made the facts readily available for anyone who cares.
100 Cody Quirk // Apr 7, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Roy Moore is definitely still the rainbow the CP is chasing.
= No we’re not chasing him- he’s too friendly with Peroutka and he’s snubbed the nomination more then enough for us.
In fact since he has been too cozy with Peroutka, there will be a good amount of opposition in the CP against him if he tries to become our presidential candidate.
101 whatever // Apr 7, 2011 at 2:47 pm
like, whatever, the Constitution and the US’ national security isn’t high on paulie’s list of prioriities
102 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement // Apr 7, 2011 at 5:30 pm
like, whatever, the Constitution and ……. national security is not high on the (so called) Constitution Party’s list of priorities, and has not been for over a decade and a half!
103 Don Grundmann // Apr 7, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Lake – A) As usual you are an outright liar and in this case about the CP. B) You don’t know a damn thing about the CP list of priorities since 1) you haven’t been a member of the CP; and 2) you are a brown nosing lackey of the ADL/SPLC criminal gang that is attacking the CP via attacking the AIP. The Robinson Crime Syndicate, of which you are a lackey, which has attacked the AIP is a total supporter of the United Nations and their New World Order absorption of our nation into the U.N. So for a lying scumbag rodent like YOU, of all people, to yammer about national security not being high on the CP list of priorities is a total joke/laugh. A very sick joke as the very rodents whose shoe bottoms you lick are dedicated to wiping out the Constitution and the nation as a whole.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
104 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement // Apr 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Ditsy Doctor Donald, thank you ………
105 Cody Quirk // Apr 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm
like, whatever, the Constitution and ……. national security is not high on the (so called) Constitution Party’s list of priorities, and has not been for over a decade and a half!
= Neither has your sanity and your grammar, LOL
106 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement // Apr 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Code Man Quirk = ‘prioriities’
107 paulie // Apr 8, 2011 at 12:25 am
Playing fetch from websites I already linked to debunk birther fantasies is very low on my list. Either go there or don’t to research it yourself. I posted the links. Me playing fetch accomplishes nothing. No amount of Jay claiming that I am incapable of doing it will goad me into wasting my time just to prove him wrong, which, yes, would be easy on any particular claim (but then there would just be another one). And even if birthers were somehow not delusional it would have zero to do with national security or any other thing beside narrow legalism.
Finally, I have no time for any debates on anything at all now, you may notice that I have been very busy the last 2 weeks and have next to no time for ipr. I hope to continue to be busy with work for a long time. If I had all day every day to sit on my ass at a computer, I would still have hundreds of more interesting things to discuss than birther bullshit.
Refer to previous posts…I have said all there is to be said on this; end of story.
108 whatever // Apr 8, 2011 at 12:30 am
yawn, those anti-american commie links have all been debunked.
the gentleman’s point that mr. cannoli cannot argue, debate, and defend for himself his hardcore anti-American stance on this matter stands.
109 paulie // Apr 8, 2011 at 12:42 am
@108 Remarkable accomplishment: you are wrong on every single count including my name
110 whatever // Apr 8, 2011 at 1:20 am
yaaawn. mr. cannoli continues his fact-free anti-american two-step.
paulie — YOU’RE FIRED!
111 paulie // Apr 8, 2011 at 8:10 am
I don’t know who mr.cannoli is, no anti-anything here, the facts have been linked and since you’re not my client you can’t fire me.I’m going to go back out to petition and get paid. You do what you do on here.Time to make the donuts…
112 JT // Apr 8, 2011 at 9:24 am
Paulie: “Time to make the donuts…”
Could you make me some jelly ones?
113 whatever // Apr 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Mr. Cannoli-Soetoro:
It doesn’t really matter what you call yourself. As a foreign natural-born communist with several different aliases, it’s no surprise you are supporting Usurper Barry. Nor is it a surprise you can’t defend yourself.
114 Don Lake, FYI, not necessarily a unilateral endorsement // Apr 8, 2011 at 4:24 pm
whatever is NOT don lake ………
115 paulie // Apr 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm
rofl. Another completely truth-free string of comments from “whatever.” Worthy of ED-R.
116 paulie // Apr 21, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Coming right up.
117 Sandra Coulbourne // Apr 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm
This is a copy of a letter sent to Clymer which I obtained:
James N. Clymer, Esq.,
National Chairman, Constitution Party
P.O. Box 1782
Lancaster, Pennsylvania 17608
Subject: 2012 Presidential Election Nomination
Chairman Clymer:
As you are well aware, never before in United States history has an independent candidate had a better chance of being elected to public office than in the forthcoming 2012 elections. Dissatisfaction among the voting public, especially the middle-class who bears the brunt of government-imposed burden, present a unique opportunity for the Constitution Party. And this last holds particularly true when independent voters represent 47% of the voting party and disenfranchisement among Republican and Democratic voters are at an all-time high.
Indeed, the American public has grown weary of “professional career politicians” and political parties whom place their own agenda’s over that of this country’s citizens. Will the Constitution Party rise to the challenge posed in 2012? Not so if it, like the Republicans, follows the tradition of picking party veterans who wait their turn and earn their nominations after years spent as candidates for governors, senators or vice presidents.
What then for the Constitution Party? Consider the prospect of a middle-class presidential candidate, an actual man of the people, and a forceful figure to confront the present presidential incumbent on health care, spending and other issues. A Constitution Party presidential candidate who has devised three means of generating government funds which do not require the taxation of any individual, corporation, or consumer product. One possessing a common sense approach to reaching answers and solutions — and implementing those policies — with the overall goal of strict government fiscal responsibility while also ensuring the personal safety and financial security of our citizens.
Lastly, ask now when was the last time a Kennedy walked the hallowed halls of the White House? A presidential candidate whom possesses those specific traits which endeared the 35th President to the American public. A candidate who can embolden with their words and who’s charismatic style can appeal to the masses more and draw people in. One having a compelling vision of the future of America; a competent personal decision making style; and delegates with an eye to his political control. And, most importantly of all, a presidential candidate who can restore trust and integrity in government and its elected officials.
In sum, to invent a successful, coherent political vision in this age that still is simple and memorable has now matured to a very difficult challenge. But to echo JFK: “Let us not shrink from that challenge in leadership – let’s welcome it”. The 2012 presidential nominee has a duty not only to renew faith and accountability to the American public — but accept the responsibility for the public’s civic education. Similarly, the party’s candidate must further reconstruct the American democracy in a bold and lasting manner, taking decisive action in the face of crisis without guidance from the people, and reconcile the need for change with American constitutional traditions and purposes.
Thus said, it is for these foregoing reasons which I seek consideration for the Constitution Party’s 2012 presidential nomination. To this extent, attached as Appendix A, is a general synopsis of legislative measures to address major domestic issues currently presented.
Sincerely,
Michael Kennedy
33250 Old Ocean City Road
Salisbury, Maryland 21849
(443) 736-8555
(443) 523-0180
Attachment
- Appendix A -
I. Revenue Generation Act (“RGA”):
The proposed legislative law would serve to implement three separate devised methods to generate federal revenue which do not require the taxation of any individual, corporation, or consumer product. Funds generated during each fiscal year would then be applied toward the next fiscal year, with 75% of those funds applied toward reducing the national deficit and the remaining 25% utilized to supplement budgetary requirements.
II. Reformed American Health Act (“RAHA”):
The proposed bill would reform the present health care law to result in affordable health insurance for all Americans by (1) basing yearly contribution costs on a 2% ratio of an individual/joint gross annual income; (2) augmentation of tax credits to medical care providers to promote continued competition and competitive industry pricing; and (3) eliminate present government mandated healthcare enrollment.
III. Employment Reform Act (“ERA”):
The proposed legislature is designed to promote the return of American industry and business through (1) aggressive tax reform which promotes solid long term growth and jobs; (2) by promoting attractive trade agreements inducing foreign corporations to establish United States manufacturing facilities; (3) a further opening of foreign markets so American workers can compete abroad; (4) investing in people through education, training, science, and research; and (5) increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit and welfare-to-work tax credit.
IV. National Alien Immigration Law (“NAIL”):
The proposed law would require all illegal aliens presently in the United States to report their presence to area INS offices within 120 days after the effective date of enactment. An additional 120 days would be granted following INS notification to allow aliens to put their personal affairs in order, then be required to report to a designated port of entry for voluntary deportation. Specifics of the law would include, but not be limited to:
(1) Amnesty from criminal prosecution only to the extent of the instant violation for which they are being deported.
(2) Deportee’s would:
(a) be allowed to complete applications for citizenship prior to actual deportation; and,
(b) receive vestment of funds, if any, paid into SSI/FICA contributions; and,
(c) receive work history stability credit consideration in reference to their citizenship application; and,
(d) in such cases where a child has been born in the United States during the period of illegal residency, the natural parents will be deported, but be granted work permits within a specified radius during the pendency of their citizenship application; and,
(e) limit family reunification to spouses and minor children of legal immigrants; and,
(f) require restitution of all state and/or federal assistance obtained during their period of illegal residency prior to the granting of citizenship status.
(3) Impose upon the date of enactment a mandatory 1st offense sentence of 3-years for illegal entry; a mandatory 5-year sentence for the 2nd offense; and a mandatory 10-year sentence for the 3rd offense.
(4) Impose a mandatory $10,000 fine, for each individual offense, upon any company and/or employer utilizing undocumented workers in their labor force.
(5) Prohibit the issuance to illegal aliens of any federal, state, or local identification to include driver’s licenses.
(6) Deny citizenship applications for a period of ten-years to any illegal alien convicted of a federal, state, or local offense, to include spousal abuse or violation of court protective orders, committed during their period of illegal residency.
V. Other Policy Reform Issues:
(a) Implementing a mandatorily limited three-year government controlled nationwide ceiling cap on fuel prices and energy price related speculation. Implementation of foreign trade agreements for government procurement of crude oil at a set wholesale price, with government resale to American petroleum corporations at a rate less than world market prices.
(b) Establishing fiscal discipline, eliminating the budget deficit, keeping interest rates low, and spurring private-sector investment.
(c) Revision of asset seizure policies to require every federal law enforcement agencies to contribute 50% of its criminal asset seizures to the SSI fund.
(d) Provide families facing home foreclosure with low interest government loans and financial advisement assistance. Secondly, to focus on banks’ actual service delivery, rather than on compliance efforts, and increase mortgage lending to low- and moderate-income families by 40 percent in the first fiscal year by lenders subject to law.
(e) Block all remaining Troubled Asset Relief Program (“TARP”) funds earmarked by Congress to subsidize major corporations and make those funds more readily available to small business with the stipulation that a portion of those funds be utilized for new employee hiring.
(f) Reduction of taxes for low and middle-class families and/or individuals earning less than $250,000 individual or collective income. Secondly, provide an additional taxpayer stimulus credit of $2,500 per person regardless of 2012 filing status.
(g) Elimination and/or consolidation of certain federal agencies. Secondly, to require all federal agencies submit proposed annual budgets to the executive office for review and approval prior to congressional submission.
(h) Revision of the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act (“CARD”) of 2009 to provide increased consumer protection and decreased interest rates by TARP recipients.
(i) Require all U.S. corporations to meet standards in human rights, labor laws, and environmental laws.
118 Jay Matthews // May 19, 2011 at 3:24 am
I gave you more time, still a whole-lotta nothin’ in terms of a rebuttal which was expected.
“I have made the facts readily available for anyone who cares.”
No you haven’t. The one fact you have made clear to everyone is you have no rebuttal to my two points. Throwing out a bunch a blogger websites and saying “go fish” isn’t a rebuttal but instead clear evidence you have none.
“No amount of Jay claiming that I am incapable of doing it….”
I didn’t have to claim you’re incapable. You’ve proven that for me making such a claim unnecessary.
119 Obama is a clone of pharaoh akhenaten // May 27, 2011 at 12:36 pm
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=159650
Obama is a clone of pharaoh akhenaten
he was not born…….he was hatched!
120 Sandra Coulbourne // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:28 am
A Kennedy/Shriver Constitution Party ticket in 2012?
121 paulie // Aug 23, 2011 at 9:11 pm
@118 Pathetic. You are just repeating what I have already answered.
@119 LOL
@120 Who/who?
122 Don Lake, strategically .......... // Aug 23, 2011 at 10:02 pm
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The next time the Bethany College men’s golfers want to post a naked team photo on Facebook, they’ll probably think again.
……….the golfers stripped and posed with strategically placed golf items covering their private parts.
Officials from Bethany College, a Lutheran school, could have given the team a mulligan. But they didn’t.
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