Chuck Baldwin, the 2008 Presidential candidate of the Constitution Party, addressed a gathering of over 200 people at the Bay Patriots Meeting in Bay County, Florida, on June 1st.
Springfield- The 2008 presidential candidate for the Constitution Party was in Bay County Tuesday night to speak to the Bay Patriots group. About 200 people gathered at the Springfield community building to hear from Dr. Chuck Baldwin.
Bay Patriots say they want to see our government abide by the principles of the constitution and they endorse the idea of smaller government. Baldwin says the movement is growing, “I think we are recognizing the fact that the big government folks working in Washington DC today are not doing so for in the interest of freedom and liberty. They seem to be doing so for the interest of big government and big corporatism. I think people are recognizing if they don’t get back to a constitutional government we are not going to have our freedoms much longer.”
The Bay Patriots meet monthly and have roughly 350 members. They say the goal of their group is to educate people on the US Constitution.
Chuck Baldwin received a total of 105 votes in Bay County, Florida, in 2008.
reasons, reasons, reasons
at least I do not speak for the universal ‘we’ when you infact do not!
at least I do not lie about the unhappiness with various states and the national CP when in fact Cody Banks Quirk knew exactly which states and the approximate dates!
at least I do not lie about the existence of the non existent ‘California Constitution Party and then cover my lie with ‘we do it for legal reasons’
I have never claimed that 2 + 2 = 5, Doctor Donald J. Grundmann is a liar!
As I have tried to indicate at least once B4: MY thread post included erasing much of the long rambling set. I was trying to ‘dragon drop’ the top portion and bottom portion to the ultimate posting individually they would not ’stick’.
I also blocked the entire multi post reference and then attempted to erase the majority. It did not erase.
I also get ‘moderation’ notices on an irregular basis, and ‘dropped’ blog links.
= Excuses, excuses, excuses, we still don’t think you’re sane at all, Mr. Lake.
” recently was convicted of fraud ”
Response – Here is ” The Fool,” yet again and after so many other times, lying about Chelene. This demonstrates, yet again, why he is an utterly stupid moronic nitwit a–hole. He rattles on about ” telling the truth ” and then immediately continues with outright lies. That is why he is now, and always will be, ” The Fool.”
” veterans hating CP ”
Response – Yet another outright lie from ” The Fool.” A) There are veterans from across the nation who have joined the CP veterans group; a number far greater than any amount of veterans which ” The Fool ” has ever possibly, among his claims, actually helped. B) The veterans who support the CP veterans group would 1) laugh at the allegations of ” The Fool ” against the CP, and 2) deck him for his outrageous lies and attacks against their group. C) The numbers of veterans belonging to the CP veterans group is literally in the hundreds while those in the supposed veterans group of ” The Fool ” are ONE – himself.
” No, you made my point! ”
Response – Here again we have ” The Fool ” showing why he is the one and only ” Fool.” Shown outright that, for the umpteenth time, he knows nothing of what he is talking about he psychotically claims that instead his point is proved!!! Unable to EVER admit any error ( since such truth would be only one in a Mount Everest of fool comments made by ” The Fool ” ) he will forever claim that 2+2=5.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
As I have tried to indicate at least once B4: MY thread post included erasing much of the long rambling set. I was trying to ‘dragon drop’ the top portion and bottom portion to the ultimate posting individually they would not ‘stick’.
I also blocked the entire multi post reference and then attempted to erase the majority. It did not erase.
I also get ‘moderation’ notices on an irregular basis, and ‘dropped’ blog links.
Central Coast Sam // Jun 4, 2010:
“Don Lake, why do you do so much to defend Alan Keyes ………..”
[never met the Ambassadore, but his web site is head and shoulders above the Preachie, Theocratic Pastor Charlie Baldwin. Horrible commentary, altho I personally am not the target audience!]
“and his america’s Independent Party? ”
[Again, head and shoulders above the CP, the lying, dishonest, misdirected, veterans hating CP]
“Is he [Keyes] really any better than any of the other deformed third party movements? ”
[Shame on YOU! Ya want the right answer to the wrong question! ‘Wassue Talkin Bout Sam?’ Shame on you!]
[Is Ambassador Keyes is better than Baldwin, and the CP’s fakey dakey ‘Veterans’ group ???? Head and shoulders above! ]
[And their associates: Grundmann (I am a FORMER supporter), King (whom I have HATED since 1998!), Quirk (I am a FORMER supporter), Looney Lussenheide, Chelene Ward Chelene (whom we TRIED to work with, starting a year ago, and recently was convicted of fraud) ………..]
[At this point I can only hope that YOU are an honest and sincere individual whom has my interest at heart and is not just a pre meditated waste of a broken down vets’ time.]
“You are going to only depend upon the site itself to reveal potentially negative information”
Ohk–if you can get video or an email from any member of either CP Texas faction saying they’ve disaffiliated, I’ll apologize and admit I’m wrong. Until then, you’re lying.
No, you made my point!
You are going to only depend upon the site itself to reveal potentionally negative information ?????
Legal genius Space Cadet Captain Cody Banks Quirk specifically entoned ‘California Constitution Party’ and ‘we do it for legal reasons’!
You know FORMER Californian Quirk, the poor tattered victim of anti LDS bias and discrimination —— by Mormons!
“That is an accurate statement to those who believe” ……….
in UFOs (Dennis Kuscinicsh {sp} , Shirley McClain’s buddy), or the Tuth Fairy (a homosexual orthodontist from Oakland, [California] ) or Sanity Clause or the Eastern Bunny (an over sized Rodent delivering chicken eggs)
[if an individual believes some thing, then it must be true: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot all told me so! Hey if you are not paying attention (the tops of sailing ships, the tops of trees on the horizon, the FACT that one can not see five nations over, no matter how small the countries are) the earth DOES appear flat ………]
I have first person information that deform / reform activists {Israel First Fake American Patriots John Dennis Coffey, John Blare, John Bambey, Valli Sharpe Giesler} and the Grundmann (Doctor Coo Coo {For Coco Puffs} ) gang are verifiable lying pukes !
I mean these folks make ctweber and other socialists and feminists look semi AOK —– which they are not! The Democans and the Republicrat are laughing and snorting and giggling!
And once again, your long copy & paste did not prove your point at all, Mr. Lake, it proved mine. Neither group has disaffiliated from the CP–both are trying to be recognized as the “official” CP affiliate in the state.
“‘California branch of the Constitution Party’”
That is an accurate statement to those who believe the AIP is, indeed, the California branch of the Constitution Party. This issue is being decided in the courts right now, so it is still an undecided issue.
Further, you’ve proven MY point, not yours. Grundmann called the AIP the “California branch of the Constitution Party” not the “California Constitution Party”–these are very different things. One is simply claiming the AIP is an afilliate of the Constitution Party in California, which is arguable. The other is claiming that there is a party in California with the ballot name “California Constitution Party”–no one is making the latter claim. Once again, you’ve proven why no one takes you seriously.
Seriously Don Lake, why do you do so much to defend Alan Keyes and his america’s Independent Party? Is he really any better than any of the other deformed third party movements?
” Mr. Lake is quite wrong and seems to be fond of simply making facts up. ”
” He is a nutjob.”
Response – Another day and more Fool comments by ” The Fool ” himself. As usual he piles on the B.S. and nitwitery as thick as the Gulf oil spill is deep so I will not respond to his endless stupid comments singularly but I must defend Trent as ” The Fool ” expects his nitwit comments to be unchallenged by the moderators when he claims that they are biased and picking on him. Just outrageous but par for the course.
” Decide for your self whom honors the truth.”
” The Fool ” is the last person who does this as he celebrates traitors and attacks patriots. What else to expect from the crystallization of moronicness; a new word created to describe utter stupidity as can only be expressed by ” The Fool.”
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
Just the tip of the ice berg ………. Lake // May 5, 2010 at 12:56 am
Cody Quirk // May 4, 2010: “……… I’m not going to bother with him anymore.”
[Lake: promises, promises, let’s see if Nevada’s out of state expert on the California Constitution Party, (an non existent entity) keeps his word, for once ………]
—————– and the numerous times Mister Quirk has declared that the (non existent) California Constitution Party really exists, including the (in)famous ‘for legal reasons!’
None are so blind whom do not wish to see!
whom is correct over 90% of the time.
Doctor Donald J. Grundmann repeatedly signs off as the ‘California branch of the Constitution Party’ …………
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D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
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71 Trent Hill // May 19, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Brian,
We have not revealed anyone’s identity, anonymity is maintained. But we’ll occasionally defend someone from false accusations of trolling, or out trollers (Thanks Paulie and wolfeman for straightening me out).
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72 Brian Holtz // May 19, 2010 at 9:53 pm
So when someone gets truthfully accused of anonymous trolling, your silence will convict them, no?
If we’re going to allow anonymous/pseudonymous commenting, then we should treat the identity of such commenters like we would the identity of confidential sources for our stories. That means no confirmations or denials of accusations. The only exception I can think of is if someone wants to decloak and publicly claim their anonymous/pseudonymous comments.
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73 MORE ………. Lake // May 19, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Cody Quirk // May 19, 2010 at 7:47 pm
“Lake, admit that you don’t post under one name- obviously shouting insults and changing the subject only proves your guilt ……….”
as usual, you have no idea what you are typing about. Is your middle name REALLY ‘Making It Up As He Goes Along’ ??????????
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74 wolfefan // May 19, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Thanks, Paulie. Thanks to you, too Trent – no problems here.
Best…
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75 MORE ………. Lake // May 19, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Don Grundmann // May 19, 2010:
” Texas has not disaffiliated. You keep saying that, but they have not..”
And then there is:
Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.constitutionpartyoftexas.org.
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76 Trent Hill // May 19, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Lake,
Nothing on that site, that I could find, says they’ve disaffiliated. There are, however, two groups of CP supporters in Texas.
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77 Cody Quirk // May 20, 2010 at 12:12 am
First it is good to find a website that you are currently on. Question: Was your Jewish Great
Grandmother your mother’s material grandmother?
= I believe I already said YES. I have her blood in me.
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78 MORE ………. Lake // May 20, 2010 at 1:04 am
The back story:
notice the emphasis on ‘Official’
” Texas has not disaffiliated. You keep saying that, but they have not..”
And then there is:
Firefox can’t find the server at http://www.constitutionpartyoftexas.org
“Nothing on that site, that I could find, says they’ve disaffiliated ……….”
[Oh Trent, you fucking, lying prick! OF COURSE they did not mention disaffiliation! What an immoral unethical spin doctor you show your self to be!]
78 MORE ………. Lake // May 20, 2010:
“The back story: notice the emphasis on ‘Official’ ” on the group that has not one reference to CP …………
“Trent, is there a post detailing the CP issue in Texas?”
No, it was too confusing and stupid to even make a post about. Basically personalities conflicted and factions split around those personalities. The entire kerfluffle consists of maybe 30 people who have split into two factions around Clell Drumheller on one hand and Bryan Malatesta on the other.
“In 2008 there was one national CP affiliate. THEY disaffiliated! The original CPTX disaffiliated. A second Texas CP, a third, a fourth ?????????? That’s fine! But! The long term, original state CP disaffiliated!
There is no official California Constitution Party on the ballot. Any one whom says so is lying. Check my posts. Check the numerous apologies and ‘mea culpas’ of Mister Trent!”
Mr. Lake is quite wrong and seems to be fond of simply making facts up. Neither of the two CP Texas affiliates has disaffiliated. One, the Drumheller faction, has talked about it openly but has not done it. The other is CP loyal. As far as I know, no one has ever claimed there was a “California Constitution Party”–people have claimed that the American Independent Party is rightfully the Constitution Party affiliate but was hijacked. I have never, I repeat never, apologized to Don Lake. He is a nutjob.
Yes, I am not Trent, but then you might get the real scoop, the honest truth from me!
In 2008 there was one national CP affiliate. THEY disaffiliated! The original CPTX disaffiliated. A second Texas CP, a third, a fourth ?????????? That’s fine! But! The long term, original state CP disaffiliated!
There is no official California Constitution Party on the ballot. Any one whom says so is lying. Check my posts. Check the numerous apologies and ‘mea culpas’ of Mister Trent!
Decide for your self whom honors the truth.
And stupidity! B4 I knew the in and outs of the 2008 SOS actions, I was, REgarding intimate know ledge of the reform deform movement, some what sympathetic with Grundmann’s cabal! I was originally an ally.
I then, starting with the non existent California Constitution Party, the cracks appeared and multiplied. In short, as my Brit associates might say, ‘a rank knot of nutters’!
[a] Officially: America’s Independent Party in; Constitution Party out!
[b] Professionally: Grundman and Company as grass roots but looney toons; Two Marks and and Ed as ‘tonnes’ more reasoned and reasonable!
[c] Psychologically and Fair Mindedness: Grundmann as future gun man mowing parishioners down on ‘any given Sunday’; Two Marks and an Ed, willing to let 2009 candidates show them selves (and or self destruct)!
[d] Personally: Grundmann and Quirk and Nightingale and King and Lussenhiese (sp) and Braiseale (sp) as ethically challenged and or eroding; Two Marks and an Ed, not perfect (and neither am I) but 6, 284, 624, 925, 734 miles ahead of the ‘god squad’!
Trent, is there a post detailing the CP issue in Texas?
3 responses so far ?
*1 ……… Don Lake // Jun 3, 2010:
Truth teller Don Lake reminds every one that Pastor Chuck Baldwin (can be quite informal, and even loose, with the *first person verified* and or *multiple documentated reference[es]* truth !
[c] the NATIONAL Constitution Party is no long (if ever) the vaulted “Number Three” position
[d] Not only have THREE states disaffiliated (from the NATIONAL Constitution Party), but a half dozen entities are considering the same
* how did we ever implode the USSR with dumb shit ‘room temperature IQs’ like Trent Hill claiming to be ‘Americans” …… Maybe brainiac ROTC scholarship cadets and dedicated truth tellers like Lake took up the slack!
I was not there, and in case the Pastor LIED about things, I had a hankering to tell the truth. Besides the comments about the NATIONAL CP were spot on!
Are you really that dumb ?????????? I know that they do not give entry level tests for used car sales men, but really, like Bruce Cohen and Brian Holtz (and out and out nutters like King, Lussenheide, Braiseidae (sp), Quirk, Nightingale, and Grundmann) some of your posts, quite a few, have lies (and a whole lot have an immense lack of logic) …………]
Just cause some one has ‘Rev’ in front of there name, or ‘D. Div’ behind it, does not mean they reliably tell the truth. Many are of low moral character!
Come on Trent! Sanity Clause for Christ Mass ????????? Large Rodents laying (or at least baring ) chicken eggs ?????????? Jesus born on December (originally the Tenth Month!) 25th in the Roman Year Zero ????????? Some time B4 you die you may wish to ‘get real’!
This post has nothing to do with California. Why are you bringing it up?
furthermore, Texas has not disaffiliated. There are two factions in the Texas CP, both claiming to be the leadership, neither has disaffiliated.
Reminds every one that Pastor Chuck Baldwin
[a] was not on the California ballot in 2008
[b] there never was a ‘California Constitution Party’
[c] the national Constitution Party is no long (if ever) the vaulted “Number Three” position
[d] Not only have California and Texas and some other state disaffiliated (from the national Constitution Party), but a half dozen entities are considering the same
The on going truth, not just temporary hyperbole ………..
The (good ??????) little guys have to be better than the bad big guys! Our mutual slogan has to be some thing better than “We are no worse!”