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	<title>Comments on: NY Senate Bill 4779, allowing kids to okay vaccines, creates controversy among ideologies</title>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-160057</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lizzie,

Thank you for your input. I think the angle of compassionately offering confidential medical help to teenagers is the angle one of my progressive friends suggested to me.

But, one problem I have is this: If someone who is 13 years old (and remember, the NY bill S4779 does not even say an age, could be younger...but) if someone who is 13 years old is allowed to seek medical help with their own decision, then shouldn&#039;t that person also be able to: vote, drive a car, decide if they can use alcohol, etc.

There is a disconnect with believing that someone that age has the capacity to making a rational decision about their sexuality and their medical health entirely alone, but not saying that they are adults or full citizens in other areas.

It is like the government, or health care workers, are trying to jump in and usurp the place of parents, but not take the full responsibility, and not give all the privileges.

It is murky ground.

I want to say another example that I think of a lot. When I was younger, there was a girl about 15 years old was known by all of us to have had multiple abortions because she had sex with her father. We all knew through rumor and gossip (which looking back, I see was supported as truth by events I knew). But, someone gave a 15-year-old these multiple abortions and did not look into if a crime was committed, or if she needed other help overcoming her sad existence.

I think we need to rethink how we (as a government or society) offer charity to young people by closing our eyes to the full situations they present us with. If some person or entity gives a 15-year-old an abortion, seems like they are hurting that 15-year-old-child psychologically if they do not find out the age of the father, and find out if the young woman needs help. 

I think in trying to be helpful, confidential, and permissive, many people ignore these core issues, and do more harm than good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzie,</p>
<p>Thank you for your input. I think the angle of compassionately offering confidential medical help to teenagers is the angle one of my progressive friends suggested to me.</p>
<p>But, one problem I have is this: If someone who is 13 years old (and remember, the NY bill S4779 does not even say an age, could be younger&#8230;but) if someone who is 13 years old is allowed to seek medical help with their own decision, then shouldn&#8217;t that person also be able to: vote, drive a car, decide if they can use alcohol, etc.</p>
<p>There is a disconnect with believing that someone that age has the capacity to making a rational decision about their sexuality and their medical health entirely alone, but not saying that they are adults or full citizens in other areas.</p>
<p>It is like the government, or health care workers, are trying to jump in and usurp the place of parents, but not take the full responsibility, and not give all the privileges.</p>
<p>It is murky ground.</p>
<p>I want to say another example that I think of a lot. When I was younger, there was a girl about 15 years old was known by all of us to have had multiple abortions because she had sex with her father. We all knew through rumor and gossip (which looking back, I see was supported as truth by events I knew). But, someone gave a 15-year-old these multiple abortions and did not look into if a crime was committed, or if she needed other help overcoming her sad existence.</p>
<p>I think we need to rethink how we (as a government or society) offer charity to young people by closing our eyes to the full situations they present us with. If some person or entity gives a 15-year-old an abortion, seems like they are hurting that 15-year-old-child psychologically if they do not find out the age of the father, and find out if the young woman needs help. </p>
<p>I think in trying to be helpful, confidential, and permissive, many people ignore these core issues, and do more harm than good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardisil has now also been approved for use in males age 9-18, so it won&#039;t be just girls.  We give Gardisil in my clinic daily and have never had a bad reaction--not to say that there haven&#039;t been problems elsewhere, but it&#039;s not as widespread as some may think.  
North Carolina has a statute that allows anyone age 13 and over to receive care for mental illness, STDs, and pregnancy without having their parents notified.  Many of the patients in my clinic have Medicaid--so the parents don&#039;t get the big bill like privately insured people.
You have to understand that some of these teens will NOT get the care that they need if their parents are going to be told about it.  So if they are told that they have something like chlamydia they will  continue to have unprotected sex and not get treated, because they don&#039;t want their parents to find out.
Lots to consider....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardisil has now also been approved for use in males age 9-18, so it won&#8217;t be just girls.  We give Gardisil in my clinic daily and have never had a bad reaction&#8211;not to say that there haven&#8217;t been problems elsewhere, but it&#8217;s not as widespread as some may think.<br />
North Carolina has a statute that allows anyone age 13 and over to receive care for mental illness, STDs, and pregnancy without having their parents notified.  Many of the patients in my clinic have Medicaid&#8211;so the parents don&#8217;t get the big bill like privately insured people.<br />
You have to understand that some of these teens will NOT get the care that they need if their parents are going to be told about it.  So if they are told that they have something like chlamydia they will  continue to have unprotected sex and not get treated, because they don&#8217;t want their parents to find out.<br />
Lots to consider&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-159921</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rosemary,

Glad you found the story. And, thanks for sharing your perspective. You put it there with links, so I would say that covers it.

The purpose of this site is to cover third parties. So, it would be difficult to insert the story you are telling into a regular post, unless there was a third party endorsement or tie-in.

But, again, glad you put it up.

(You do see that my article covers the PRO allow kids to do vaccines and CON allow kids to do vaccines, and that it leans toward NOT liking vaccines?)

-KW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rosemary,</p>
<p>Glad you found the story. And, thanks for sharing your perspective. You put it there with links, so I would say that covers it.</p>
<p>The purpose of this site is to cover third parties. So, it would be difficult to insert the story you are telling into a regular post, unless there was a third party endorsement or tie-in.</p>
<p>But, again, glad you put it up.</p>
<p>(You do see that my article covers the PRO allow kids to do vaccines and CON allow kids to do vaccines, and that it leans toward NOT liking vaccines?)</p>
<p>-KW</p>
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		<title>By: libertarianblue</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-159805</link>
		<dc:creator>libertarianblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another example of the massive retardedness from Albany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of the massive retardedness from Albany.</p>
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		<title>By: Marian Greene</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-159804</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does this even make sense? A school nurse cant even give a child a tylenol, but yet vaccines are going to be allowed? If a child has asthma or needs an epi pen at school for allergic reactions, it almost takes an act of congress for these meds to be kept / administered at school. But now vaccines, and ones for a sexually transmitted disease is going to be given? Not only does this make absolutely no sense, but it&#039;s a health hazzard. The side effects of gardasil are still being discovered because of the way it was fast tracked onto the market, it does not belong in schools - PERIOD. 
Marian Greene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does this even make sense? A school nurse cant even give a child a tylenol, but yet vaccines are going to be allowed? If a child has asthma or needs an epi pen at school for allergic reactions, it almost takes an act of congress for these meds to be kept / administered at school. But now vaccines, and ones for a sexually transmitted disease is going to be given? Not only does this make absolutely no sense, but it&#8217;s a health hazzard. The side effects of gardasil are still being discovered because of the way it was fast tracked onto the market, it does not belong in schools &#8211; PERIOD.<br />
Marian Greene</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Wilder</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-159714</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found another great article here:

http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10006588/new-york-bills-would-mandate-hpv-vaccines-without-parents-consent/

Excerpt:

&quot;Even without the inevitable controversy over whether under-18s should be able to get preventive care from their doctors without their parents hearing the details of their sex lives, the bills read like full-employment acts for Merck (MRK)’s Gardasil and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)’s Cervarix.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found another great article here:</p>
<p><a href="http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10006588/new-york-bills-would-mandate-hpv-vaccines-without-parents-consent/" rel="nofollow">http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10006588/new-york-bills-would-mandate-hpv-vaccines-without-parents-consent/</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;Even without the inevitable controversy over whether under-18s should be able to get preventive care from their doctors without their parents hearing the details of their sex lives, the bills read like full-employment acts for Merck (MRK)’s Gardasil and GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)’s Cervarix.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary Mathis</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/ny-senate-bill-4779-allowing-kids-to-okay-vaccines-creates-controversy-among-ideologies/comment-page-1/#comment-159709</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosemary Mathis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Kimberly, my daughter was injured by Gardasil.  She was disabled.  Her pediatrician said it was the best thing for her and I trusted him.  Her treatment cost us thousands of dollars.  If she had gotten the vaccine at school without my knowledge, she could have lost her life like the 54 girls whose deaths are currently recorded in VAERS.  The parents are responsible for the medical bills of these children and in some cases, the parents do not have insurance.  This could be a tragic situation.

Thousands of girls have become sick because of Gardasil.  This is an international problem and I believe that Gardasil will be pulled from the market as was VIOXX, a former drug that was manufactured by Merck, the maker of Gardasil.

Because so many girls have been injured and maimed by Gardasil, we have built a website at WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG to consolidate the victim’s stories.  I am attaching our latest interviews.  I beg of you Kimberly, to cover the side of the injured girls also in response to this story.  It is only fair to cover both sides of this story.  I can put you into contact with victims across the globe!


Please let me know if you have questions.
 

Rosemary Mathis

WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG

Email TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL@CHARTER.NET

 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/families-use-social-media_b_443045.html


http://thebulletin.us/articles/2010/01/23/news/nation/doc4b5b52b50fd80963422141.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Kimberly, my daughter was injured by Gardasil.  She was disabled.  Her pediatrician said it was the best thing for her and I trusted him.  Her treatment cost us thousands of dollars.  If she had gotten the vaccine at school without my knowledge, she could have lost her life like the 54 girls whose deaths are currently recorded in VAERS.  The parents are responsible for the medical bills of these children and in some cases, the parents do not have insurance.  This could be a tragic situation.</p>
<p>Thousands of girls have become sick because of Gardasil.  This is an international problem and I believe that Gardasil will be pulled from the market as was VIOXX, a former drug that was manufactured by Merck, the maker of Gardasil.</p>
<p>Because so many girls have been injured and maimed by Gardasil, we have built a website at <a href="http://WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG</a> to consolidate the victim’s stories.  I am attaching our latest interviews.  I beg of you Kimberly, to cover the side of the injured girls also in response to this story.  It is only fair to cover both sides of this story.  I can put you into contact with victims across the globe!</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have questions.</p>
<p>Rosemary Mathis</p>
<p><a href="http://WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL.ORG</a></p>
<p>Email <a href="mailto:TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL@CHARTER.NET">TRUTHABOUTGARDASIL@CHARTER.NET</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/families-use-social-media_b_443045.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/families-use-social-media_b_443045.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thebulletin.us/articles/2010/01/23/news/nation/doc4b5b52b50fd80963422141.txt" rel="nofollow">http://thebulletin.us/articles/2010/01/23/news/nation/doc4b5b52b50fd80963422141.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: GET THESE NUTS OUT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GET THESE NUTS OUT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH GOOD, NEXT WILL BE THE FLU VACC H1N1. Oh yea I really like that.

These nuts in offices have to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH GOOD, NEXT WILL BE THE FLU VACC H1N1. Oh yea I really like that.</p>
<p>These nuts in offices have to go.</p>
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