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	<title>Comments on: Mike Gravel&#8217;s campaign economic advisor making waves</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/mike-gravels-campaign-economic-advisor-making-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-159654</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason economists say that a tax on land value is the &quot;least bad&quot; tax is that such taxes have no deadweight loss.  Any tax on production or exchanges or movable assets causes economic inefficiency.  A tax on these things causes a deadweight loss (i.e. allocative inefficiency) because people who would have more marginal benefit than marginal cost are not buying the good or service -- just as a subsidy induces people to buy who impose more marginal cost than their marginal benefit.  However, this effect of taxation does not happen when the supply of the taxed good is perfectly inelastic, as is the supply of land -- more precisely, the surface area of the Earth. Sites cannot flee or evade taxation, and the available amount of them is not reduced when they are taxed.  (When a tax is not on a good but rather on a &quot;bad&quot;, like pollution or congestion, it&#039;s the very absence of the tax that causes allocative inefficiency, because external costs are not internalized.)

Taxing land value is not only more efficient than taxing production or exchanges, but it is also less intrusive.  All the government needs to know is who owns each plot of land and how much the unimproved land is worth.  Appraisers and insurers make such calculations routinely, and one variant would have each land-holder self-assess as long as he&#039;s willing to take any offer over his assessed value.  There&#039;s no need to audit anyone&#039;s behavior, as with taxes on income/production/exchanges.  You don&#039;t even need to visit the site or look over the fence, as you do with taxes on land improvements or square footage.  For illiquid landholders, taxes could accumulate as a lien against the property, capped at its market value, so nobody need ever be taxed off the land they hold.

Land value taxes are naturally local, and so encourage Tiebout Sorting.  If the the local mix of government services is too high (or too low) for your taste, or if they aren&#039;t a good value for the LVT rate financing them, then you can vote with your feet. By contrast, income and sales taxes tend to get centralized at the state or even national level, because (unlike land) income and sales can flee to lower-tax jurisdictions.  (New Hampshire is among the most free states, and gets the highest percentage of government revenue from property taxes.  California finances its high government spending with high centralized state income taxes that rose after Prop 13 restricted local property taxes in 1978.)

LVT retrieves the extra land value created by public services -- streets, pipes, levees, police, parks.  This creates pressure to defund public services that do not actually add value in the free market for land.

LVT turns out to closely model how consensual private communities tend to govern themselves. Malls, business parks, hotels, condominiums, homeowners associations -- all tend to &quot;tax&quot; their tenants not according to profits or revenues or inventory or improvements, but mostly by site value (for which square footage is often a good proxy).

LVT imposes a built-in ceiling on government revenue.  Critics of land value taxation claim it wouldn&#039;t raise enough revenue because ground rent is allegedly only a small fraction of GDP.  That sounds like a good thing to me.   If government revenue is restricted by definition to ground rent and fees for polluting/congesting/depleting the commons, then government cannot be nearly as big as when it is allowed to tax labor, production, exchanges, and all resulting products.  Once you have taxation of people&#039;s labor and exchanges and produced assets, there is no limit to what the government can take from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason economists say that a tax on land value is the &#8220;least bad&#8221; tax is that such taxes have no deadweight loss.  Any tax on production or exchanges or movable assets causes economic inefficiency.  A tax on these things causes a deadweight loss (i.e. allocative inefficiency) because people who would have more marginal benefit than marginal cost are not buying the good or service &#8212; just as a subsidy induces people to buy who impose more marginal cost than their marginal benefit.  However, this effect of taxation does not happen when the supply of the taxed good is perfectly inelastic, as is the supply of land &#8212; more precisely, the surface area of the Earth. Sites cannot flee or evade taxation, and the available amount of them is not reduced when they are taxed.  (When a tax is not on a good but rather on a &#8220;bad&#8221;, like pollution or congestion, it&#8217;s the very absence of the tax that causes allocative inefficiency, because external costs are not internalized.)</p>
<p>Taxing land value is not only more efficient than taxing production or exchanges, but it is also less intrusive.  All the government needs to know is who owns each plot of land and how much the unimproved land is worth.  Appraisers and insurers make such calculations routinely, and one variant would have each land-holder self-assess as long as he&#8217;s willing to take any offer over his assessed value.  There&#8217;s no need to audit anyone&#8217;s behavior, as with taxes on income/production/exchanges.  You don&#8217;t even need to visit the site or look over the fence, as you do with taxes on land improvements or square footage.  For illiquid landholders, taxes could accumulate as a lien against the property, capped at its market value, so nobody need ever be taxed off the land they hold.</p>
<p>Land value taxes are naturally local, and so encourage Tiebout Sorting.  If the the local mix of government services is too high (or too low) for your taste, or if they aren&#8217;t a good value for the LVT rate financing them, then you can vote with your feet. By contrast, income and sales taxes tend to get centralized at the state or even national level, because (unlike land) income and sales can flee to lower-tax jurisdictions.  (New Hampshire is among the most free states, and gets the highest percentage of government revenue from property taxes.  California finances its high government spending with high centralized state income taxes that rose after Prop 13 restricted local property taxes in 1978.)</p>
<p>LVT retrieves the extra land value created by public services &#8212; streets, pipes, levees, police, parks.  This creates pressure to defund public services that do not actually add value in the free market for land.</p>
<p>LVT turns out to closely model how consensual private communities tend to govern themselves. Malls, business parks, hotels, condominiums, homeowners associations &#8212; all tend to &#8220;tax&#8221; their tenants not according to profits or revenues or inventory or improvements, but mostly by site value (for which square footage is often a good proxy).</p>
<p>LVT imposes a built-in ceiling on government revenue.  Critics of land value taxation claim it wouldn&#8217;t raise enough revenue because ground rent is allegedly only a small fraction of GDP.  That sounds like a good thing to me.   If government revenue is restricted by definition to ground rent and fees for polluting/congesting/depleting the commons, then government cannot be nearly as big as when it is allowed to tax labor, production, exchanges, and all resulting products.  Once you have taxation of people&#8217;s labor and exchanges and produced assets, there is no limit to what the government can take from you.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodIdea</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/mike-gravels-campaign-economic-advisor-making-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-158575</link>
		<dc:creator>GoodIdea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should repeal all taxes on income and property at all levels of government.  

We could replace all taxes with a national sales tax, consitutionally capped at 10% and shared by all levels of government:  Federal, State and Local.

Property tax are the most evil of all taxes, especially land taxes, but also improvements and personal property, and cause the worst and most damaging economic distortions.  Being only local or state level taxes and not a federal tax just means that property haven&#039;t had the IRS to make them worse, nor the appetite of the federal monster to increase their level.

Income taxes  are the most hated of taxes because of the IRS and the tax levels.  Income taxes are the second worst form of taxation and also cause massive economic dislocations.

Consumption based taxes are the least harmful, and may be tolerable in a one tax environment held to a maximum of 10% in the aggregate.

Libertarians should pursue this economic plan as a step towards liberty and a chance to mend our broken economy.

Of course, all taxes violate Libertarian principles, but, as an incremental step, abolition of all taxes and replacing them with a 10% capped sales tax, funding all levels of government, would be a good first step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should repeal all taxes on income and property at all levels of government.  </p>
<p>We could replace all taxes with a national sales tax, consitutionally capped at 10% and shared by all levels of government:  Federal, State and Local.</p>
<p>Property tax are the most evil of all taxes, especially land taxes, but also improvements and personal property, and cause the worst and most damaging economic distortions.  Being only local or state level taxes and not a federal tax just means that property haven&#8217;t had the IRS to make them worse, nor the appetite of the federal monster to increase their level.</p>
<p>Income taxes  are the most hated of taxes because of the IRS and the tax levels.  Income taxes are the second worst form of taxation and also cause massive economic dislocations.</p>
<p>Consumption based taxes are the least harmful, and may be tolerable in a one tax environment held to a maximum of 10% in the aggregate.</p>
<p>Libertarians should pursue this economic plan as a step towards liberty and a chance to mend our broken economy.</p>
<p>Of course, all taxes violate Libertarian principles, but, as an incremental step, abolition of all taxes and replacing them with a 10% capped sales tax, funding all levels of government, would be a good first step.</p>
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		<title>By: lynne</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/02/mike-gravels-campaign-economic-advisor-making-waves/comment-page-1/#comment-158310</link>
		<dc:creator>lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along with Prof. Kotlikoff, Elizabeth Warren and Joseph Stiglitz would be excellent replacements for Geitner and Summers.  They were blowing the whistle while G &amp; S were facilitating the mess.

Also don&#039;t know if this came thru before...
I saw that you mentioned Senator Mike Gravel.  Did you know that his &quot;go against the grain&quot; philosophy is well featured in the Academy Award nominated film &quot;Most Dangerous Man&quot;?  

I hope you get a chance to see the film and comment about it.  It is as riveting as any Matt Damon spy caper and extremely relevant with our current war policy.
http://mostdangerousman.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with Prof. Kotlikoff, Elizabeth Warren and Joseph Stiglitz would be excellent replacements for Geitner and Summers.  They were blowing the whistle while G &amp; S were facilitating the mess.</p>
<p>Also don&#8217;t know if this came thru before&#8230;<br />
I saw that you mentioned Senator Mike Gravel.  Did you know that his &#8220;go against the grain&#8221; philosophy is well featured in the Academy Award nominated film &#8220;Most Dangerous Man&#8221;?  </p>
<p>I hope you get a chance to see the film and comment about it.  It is as riveting as any Matt Damon spy caper and extremely relevant with our current war policy.<br />
<a href="http://mostdangerousman.org" rel="nofollow">http://mostdangerousman.org</a></p>
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