In a blog post at bostontea.us, recently removed IPR writer VTV writes,
I was recently asked to do a news report at Independent Political Report, a decent outlet for third parties to get their news published. The report was in reference to Alex Jones making an ass of himself at a recent event in Texas that the Libertarian Party there had co-sponsored to protest the closing down of some gun shows. This is the article that I had finally cut it down to:
Note: This article has been updated with new information.
Trouble started at a recent rally to protest infringements to the 2cd amendment set up as a joint effort by a few political activist organizations TAG (Texans for accountable government), The Ladies Liberty Alliance, and the Liberty restoration project. The event was also co-sponsored by the Libertarian party of Texas. Current LP national Director Wes Benedict was an original founder of TAG; current Texas LP Director Robert Butler is a board member. The rally was underway by the time Alex Jones showed up with his own megaphone and started shouting over top of the speakers at the protest. There are several videos on Youtube taken from the scene that day. But some of the highlights include Alex Jones arguing with the organized protesters saying “You don’t know what your doing.” and to “Get out of my face!”. In addition to calling current Texas Executive Robert Butler who sits on the board of directors for TAG “A gay lawyer.”
This Youtube video includes excerpts from Alex’s radio show where he claims that it was his rally that was disrupted along with highlights of some of the various videos taken of this event.
As the video plainly shows, the protest was already underway when Mr. Jones arrived with his entourage and started speaking on his own megaphone making it difficult for the people assembled to hear the speakers.
On his radio show he thanked all his listeners that in his words made the event such a success, but the video also clearly shows that he showed up with less then a dozen people and that the rest of those assembled were gathered by the organizations that put together the rally.
In response to the difficulties of this incident an apology was issued by treasurer and founder of TAG, Chuck Young.
“Dear Chiefs Acevedo and Carter,
I’m writing this to offer my most sincere apologies for the boorish behavior of Alex Jones during the
recent 2nd amendment protest at APD HQ.
Mr. Jones was not invited by us and is not associated with TAG in any way. I found his actions divisive,
immature, rude, hateful, and provocative in the worst sense of the word. I was especially aggrieved at
Jones’ hysterical antics because, as the video record shows, I started the rally with (roughly) the followingstatement:
“I’m here today armed with nothing but the Constitution. In addition to our right to bear arms, this great
document preserves our right to peaceable assembly. The operative word there is PEACEABLE – lets
keep it that way!”While we at TAG may oppose APD on various points of policy, I want you to know that we, and I myself,
respect and appreciate the consummate professionalism with which you and your officers have always
conducted yourselves, in every single dealing I and other TAG principals have had with you.Regards,
Chuck Young”In an email from Chuck Young I received after initially publishing this article Mr. Young said the following: “We almost never do street actions without accompanying lobbying. Jones KILLED the lobbying, because the mainstream types whom we were working with (GOP, NRA) got scared off. So he literally made sure that nothing happened in
terms of any substantive policy change.”
In response, Jim Davidson writes
Paulie is a jerk and not to be trusted, in my experience.
Trent is not always a jerk, but clearly has an agenda. I don’t find IPR very useful. Your mileage may vary.
and VTV responds,
So to be sure I wasn’t over-reacting I showed my article to Jason Seagraves (The original owner and editor of IPR) and he said:
“I see absolutely not one bit of editorializing in that article. Not one bit. It was a good article.”
He also went on to tell me that he has has his own problems with the ego of one Trent Hill.
I have also been receiving word that some members of the Texas LP are not at all happy with the censorship.
Several of VTV’s friends/supporters have written contact.ipr@gmail.com to complain about the alleged censorship.
IPR editor Trent Hill responds,
We have strict policies about editorials. You have seen the “final” version of the article, which was only created after 7-8 revisions. Throughout the revisions your friend, Neil, admitted that there was a slant and a bias to his wording by editing multiple times. Furthermore, the article had only a tenuous connection to third-parties, the sole subject matter which IPR covers. After all the revisions, the article still displayed an obvious bias–a conclusion which many of the other bloggers and readers agreed to. Neil has only posted 4 articles in the last 6 months–I run a business, not a charity. Neil’s articles were overly contentious, slanted, and he himself was openly combative with both the editor and other authors. So he was let go and his biased article removed. For the record:I detest Alex Jones and agree that his actions were reprehensible, as are many of his views.
The original posting was prompted by the following article from the Austin Post by Libertarian Party of Texas chair and Libertarian National Committee member Pat Dixon:
The ADL and Alex Jones
On January 28, I was invited by AustinPost to the annual Torch of Liberty award banquet hosted by the Austin branch of the Anti Defamation League (ADL). I was very impressed by the turnout of approximately 600, including many very influential people.
You may know that AustinPost is asking you to sign a petition in support of the ADL’s "Austin is No Place for Hate" campaign. If you sign this petition, AustinPost will make a $5 contribution to ADL.
The ADL began in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all." It has grown to support causes against defamation of any kind, whether religious, racial, sexual or other. They have educational programs to teach and promote tolerance and acceptance of individual differences. They also work as a type of private CIA to inform police of threats of violence. They defend separation of church and state, which I have previously supported (1, 2, 3). They oppose government laws aimed to deny rights to homosexuals. These are all principles I, as a Libertarian, support.
The highlight of the evening was presenting the Torch of Liberty award to Amy and Kirk Rudy. Kirk Rudy is founder and boss of Endeavor Real Estate, made famous in this town as receivers of the Domain subsidies. The key word I heard repeated throughout the evening and in Kirk’s acceptance speech was "TOLERANCE." This is a key principle that we Libertarians adhere to. About two minutes into this speech, he discussed how intolerance and extremism is used in the media and both political parties to vilify whoever they are targeting. He didn’t mention my political party, so I guess we are innocent of such charges. He remarked how presidents from both political parties have been compared to Hitler. His remarks were nearly identical to a previous treatise of mine on the subject of intolerance and Hitler.
I took particular note of the presence of Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo in audience. He was recognized during the ceremony as one of the advocates for the ADL:
It drew my particular attention because at the same time, Chief Acevedo was embroiled in a protest at the police station headquarters. His department closed down a gun show (1, 2) which drew the ire of Texans for Accountable Government (TAG), among others. TAG employed its first amendment rights to organize a protest of an abridgment of second amendment rights.
It should be noted at this point that I as a Libertarian support the second amendment and oppose gun control. The ADL supports gun control and opposed the Supreme Court’s Heller decision.
Now is when this laborious prose hopefully draws more interest. TAG planned to have a peaceful, orderly and effective protest. That didn’t happen because of one man:
Witness what happens when the esteemed Alex Jones enters the fray:
Of course Alex couldn’t stop there and had to go further over the top:
So he took it upon himself to disrupt this peaceful assembly, accuse a volunteer of having a "hard on" for him, suggested that my executive director was "a gay lawyer", and generally marginalized himself. TAG is distancing themselves from Alex in both voice and words.
Alex Jones is exactly the kind of person Kirk Rudy refers to. If you want to speak and deliberate on an issue, fine. If you want to throw intolerant bombs and appeal to the extreme elements in order to call attention to yourself, you don’t help your cause.
Regarding the ADL, I have not signed their petition. In addition to their support of gun control, they also support laws for "hate crimes" which punish people for the thoughts in their head. There are those who believe such laws to be unconstitutional. Do we really need a "thought police?"
Apparently we already have a "green police," so why not?
Additionally, the ADL maintains a list of people and groups they label as "extreme." From their website:
"Today, ADL’s Center on Extremism continues our mission to expose and document the groups and individuals whose ideologies and activities perpetuate hatred and extremism. To this end, the Center on Extremism has created an online resource, Extremism in America, which serves as a guide to prominent extreme movements, groups, and leaders in the United States."
So would you believe that if you are a tax protestor, that you "perpetuate hatred and extremism?" The ADL does.
Perhaps you think this is too reactionary and defensive. Certainly the ADL would not support labeling the Libertarian Party and Ron Paul as perpetrators of "hatred and extremism," would they? Of course, that has already happened in Missouri. I guess if you are considered a "fringe" group it must be OK to pass laws against you and shut you down.
In conclusion, let me make the following points:
- It is precisely when words are most distasteful that freedom of speech is most meaningful- It is entirely appropriate and encouraged to teach and practice tolerance
- It is appropriate for private organizations to monitor public information and advise government of threats
- It is inappropriate to punish people for thoughts
- It is appropriate to punish people for actions
- It is appropriate for Alex Jones to be marginalizedP.S. The graphic in the title of this article of longtime national director of the ADL Abraham Foxman in an caricature which perfectly conveys the message Kirk Rudy and I delivered.
60 responses so far ↓
1 Trent Hill // Feb 12, 2010 at 4:50 pm
You’ll notice that the “final” version of the article STILL has spelling and grammatical errors, as well as just being poorly written. The slant is obvious, I think, to anyone who is willing to look at the subject objectively. I detest Alex Jones, and would have loved to see an article lambasting him, personally, but Neil’s article did not meet the level of journalistic objectivity that I and the other writers hold IPR up to. I wish him good luck in his new media enterprise.
2 VTV // Feb 12, 2010 at 5:04 pm
lol.
Thanks for re-printing my article.
3 Erik Geib // Feb 12, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I basically agree with Trent. Though I appreciate what you (VTV) were trying to say, I appreciate IPR for its objectivity. If I wanted to read editorialized news, I’d go to other websites.
4 Kristin Davis should be on top // Feb 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Has anybody saved the comments that were removed with the original article?
5 Thomas L. Knapp // Feb 12, 2010 at 5:46 pm
N.B. Per the disclaimer at the bottom of every page of the Boston Tea Party’s web site:
“The content of this site’s forums and member blogs represents the opinions of individual members and may not reflect the positions of the Boston Tea Party.”
6 Don Lake .......... and the reasonable // Feb 12, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Hey all the little ‘minor’ things add up, that’s why I go ballistic on the sneaky ‘our site’ stuff by over zealous and under scrupulous activists.
7 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:00 pm
“The ADL began in 1913 “to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all.” It has grown to support causes against defamation of any kind, whether religious, racial, sexual or other. They have educational programs to teach and promote tolerance and acceptance of individual differences. They also work as a type of private CIA to inform police of threats of violence. They defend separation of church and state, which I have previously supported (1, 2, 3). They oppose government laws aimed to deny rights to homosexuals. These are all principles I, as a Libertarian, support.”
The ADL is a sham and is not even remotely libertarian. They routinely attack anyone who speaks out against the income tax, the Federal Reserve System, gun control, and the New World Order. The ADL has attacked groups which have nothing to do with racism such as Bob Schulz’s We The People Foundation ( http://www.givemeliberty.org ) and they have even attacked Peymon Mottahedeh of Freedom Law School ( http://www.livefreenow.com ) and Peymon is Jewish (he’s not a Zionist Jew and he opposes the income tax and Federal Reserve so that’s why they attacked him).
The ADL is also one of the primary forces behind the bogus “hate crimes” legislation which is really an attack on the 1st amendment (as well as the 9th and 10th). “Hate crime” laws are completely unnessary because there are already laws on the books against murder, assult, vandalism, and similiar acts of aggression. The fact that the ADL is pushing this garbage should tell you what they really think of the 1st amendment.
8 Papa Smurf // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:07 pm
alex jones is a giant TOOL!
9 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I’ve been a member of the Libertarian Party since 1996 and I’ve been following Alex Jones since 2001.
I know that there are some good Libertarian Party activists in Texas because I’ve meet and worked with some of them.
I think that Alex Jones is a good source of information as he is on the cutting edge and he usually gets stuff right. The rare occassions when he does not he usually puts out a retraction.
I met Alex Jones at a 9/11 Truth event in California a few years ago and he seemed like a good guy to me. He puts out his documentary videos out on-line for free and he’s been encouraging people to give out bootlegged copies of his stuff for years. I also know that he’s turned down a lot of money to become a mainstream talk radio host (like a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck type) because he didn’t want to sell out his principles.
I’d say that Alex has been one of the most effective voices for liberty over the last 10 or 15 years. His films, websites, and radio show have awakened a lot of people and gotten them involved in the fight against big, corrupt government. Alex Jones played a big role in helping the Ron Paul for President campaign from 2007-2008 reach the plateau of success that it reached as he endorsed Ron Paul, had him as a guest on his show multiple times, and helped promote the highly successful Ron Paul money bombs. Alex has also been a friend to Libertarian Party members as he Libertarian Party candidates on his show such as Harry Browne and Michael Badnarik (here’s a video of Alex sending out condolences to Michael Badnarik after he suffered a heart attack – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3UULJqVFMU ).
Alex works very hard (he is known to put in very long hours) and I know that his life has been threatened on multiple occassions. A guy that knows him and worked with him for years told me that Alex is under a tremendous amount of stress.
I don’t know what really happened at this event but in all likelyhood it was just a misunderstanding.
10 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm
“You may know that AustinPost is asking you to sign a petition in support of the ADL’s “Austin is No Place for Hate” campaign. If you sign this petition, AustinPost will make a $5 contribution to ADL.”
The fact that signing the petition means that the Austin Post will make a $5 contribution to the ADL is reason enough to NOT sign that petition. I wouldn’t give one penny to that anti-liberty fraud of an organization.
11 Thomas L. Knapp // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Never paid much attention to Jones until I had to help clean up after his bald-faced, uncorrected, unretracted lies about the MIAC report.
If he tells you it’s raining, check to make sure he’s not pissing down your back.
12 Bruce Cohen // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Actually, Alex does have a radio show, I have heard it. He tried to syndicate but can’t get AM listeners.
13 paulie // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:36 pm
14 Alex Jones's gay lover // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:43 pm
So he took it upon himself to disrupt this peaceful assembly, accuse a volunteer of having a “hard on” for him, suggested that my executive director was “a gay lawyer”, and generally marginalized himself. TAG is distancing themselves from Alex in both voice and words.
Oh, Alekth, you naughty boy – thtop it!
15 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:07 pm
“- It is appropriate for private organizations to monitor public information and advise government of threats”
The ADL are statist tattle tales. If they were REALLY concerned about people’s saftey then they would not support gun control laws – which are really victim disarmament laws. If they REALLLY cared about liberty then they would not support “hate crimes” legislation – which is really an attack on the 1st amendment (you know, free speech and freedom of the press). NEVER trust anyone who doesn’t believe in your rights which are enumerated in the 1st and 2nd amendments.
The ADL are also tax lovers. Click the link and see what they think of people who oppose the income tax.
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/TPM.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=21
Notice that Irwin Schiff is listed here as being an anti-tax extremist. Irwin Schiff is a Jew! He’s on there because he doesn’t “toe the line” when it comes to the IRS and the Federal Reserve System. You see, the ADL doesn’t really give a damn about Jews or even racism, they are all about protecting Zionists (not all Jews are Zionists) and the Federal Reserve System (which is mostly run by Zionists).
Notice that Joe Bannister ( http://www.freedomabovefortune.com ) is also on their list. I’ve met Joe Bannister (as well as Irwin Schiff for that matter) and Joe is a really good guy. For those a you who don’t know, Joe Bannister is a former IRS agent who upon hearing about and then investigating arguements against the validity of the income tax and the Federal Reserve System wrote up a report about and asked his supervisors at the IRS to anwser some questions that he had about what the agency did. His supervisors refused to anwser his questions and handed Joe resignation papers and asked him to reason if he didn’t like the fact that they were not going to anwser his questions. Joe was earning $70,000 per year and had a bright future with the agency, but he could not in clear conscience continue to work for the agency because his research lead him to believe that what they were doing was wrong and the fact that his supervisors refused to anwser his questions made that point even more clear. So Joe resigned from the IRS and has since become one of its most outspoken critics. The fact that the ADL would smear this man (who I’ve never even heard of saying anything about Jews or anything that was racist or bigoted in general) is truly disgusting.
I’ve got ZERO respect for anyone who defends the tax system.
16 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Stop lying, I am Alex Jones’s only gay lover.
17 Another Alex Jones queer fuck buddy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Alex Jones has many gay lovers. Don’t fall for his lies. He is a kinky self-hating closet queer.
The boys know.
18 Angry Anal Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Me and Alex Jones have the best sex ever.
19 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:24 pm
“Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Stop lying, I am Alex Jones’s only gay lover.”
This is not me, the Andy who usually posts here.
20 Andy the Handy Anus // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:27 pm
I usually only post in public bathroom stalls.
21 Andy is SO not gay // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm
He likes to stalk chicks. Would a gay man do that?
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/06/independent-icon-receives-small-but-powerful-mention/comment-page-7/#comment-75598
22 Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the gayest of them all // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Me and Alex Jones totally rimmed each other out while watching this movie
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
23 paulie // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Meanwhile, back at the BTP blog post…new comment from Thomas L. Knapp:
24 paulie // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Ridicule of Conspiracy Theories Focuses On Diffusing Criticism of the Powerful
by Washington
http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl2/conspiracy-theory-ridicule.html
Read the rest of the article:
http://www.georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/02/ridicule-of-conspiracy-theories-focuses.html
25 Alex Jones's gay lover // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:33 pm
(Hey, Hey)
Bi, Bi, Bye
Bi, Bye…
Bye, Bi…
Oh, Oh..
I’m doin’ this tonight,
You’re probably gonna start a fight.
I know this can’t be right.
Hey baby come on,
I loved you endlessly,
When you weren’t there for me.
So now it’s time to leave and make it alone
I know that I can’t take no more
It ain’t no lie
I wanna see you out that door
Baby, bi, bye, bye…
Bi Bi
Don’t wanna be a fool for you
Just another player in your game for two
You may hate me but it ain’t no lie,
Baby, bi, bi, bi…
Bye Bye
Don’t really wanna make it tough,
I just wanna tell you that I had enough.
It might sound crazy,
But it ain’t no lie,
Baby, bi, bye, bye
(Oh, Oh)
Just hit me with the truth,
Now, Alex Jones you’re more than welcome to.
So give me one good reason,
Baby come on
I live for you and me,
And now I really come to see,
That life would be much better once you’re gone.
I know that I can’t take no more
It ain’t no lie,
I wanna see you out that door
Baby, bi, bi, bye…
Bye Bye
Don’t wanna be a fool for you
Just another player in your game for two
You may hate me but it ain’t no lie,
Baby bi, bi, bi…
Bye Bye
Don’t really wanna make it tough,
I just wanna tell you that I had enough (ooh ooh)
It might sound crazy,
But it ain’t no lie,
Baby, bye, bye, bi
I’m giving up I know for sure
I don’t wanna be the reason for your love no more
Bye Bi
I’m checkin’ out
I’m signin’ off
Don’t wanna be the loser and I’ve had enough
Don’t wanna be your fool
In this game for two
So I’m leavin’ you behind
Bi, bye, bye…
I don’t wanna make it tough (wanna make it tough)
But I had enough
And it ain’t no lie (Bi, bye baby…)
Bye, Bye
Don’t wanna be a fool for you
Just another player in your game for two (I don’t wanna be your fool)
But it ain’t no lie
Baby bi, bye, bye…
Don’t really wanna make it tough (don’t really wanna make it tough),
I just wanna tell you that I had enough (that I had enough).
Might sound crazy,
But it ain’t no lie,
Bye, bye, bye
Alex Jones
Bye bi…
26 I'm not gay... // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:39 pm
…But Alex Jones can suck my ass.
27 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm
“Andy is SO not gay // Feb 12, 2010 at 7:32 pm
He likes to stalk chicks. Would a gay man do that? ”
Nobody was stalking anybody. That was bullshit.
28 Andy and Alex sitting in a tree... // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Andy’s man-crush on Alex Jones is totally not gay.
Not even a little bit.
Nope, not even slightly gay.
Happy Valentine’s day fellas.
29 Gary Filcher // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Andy really is bi.
Don’t ask me how I know.
30 Andy // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm
“Andy and Alex sitting in a tree… // Feb 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Andy’s man-crush on Alex Jones is totally not gay.
Not even a little bit.
Nope, not even slightly gay.
Happy Valentine’s day fellas.”
So said the coward posting under a fake name.
31 Andy and Alex sitting in a tree... // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:02 pm
I bet if Andy knew who I really was he’d cum over here and fuck me….up….and down…and up and down… eh?
32 Pauly Cornholey // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Me, Andy Jackoff and Gary Filcher have queer threeways all the time. We also like to roundtable (forge) signatures.
33 Erikkk Dondildo // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Can I get in on that action too fellas? Please? Pretty please with your nuts on top?
34 VTV // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Well, the conversation has certainly taken an interesting tone.
35 paulie // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Interesting?
Maybe to a third-grader.
36 Andy Jackoffs // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Cornholey, who ya calling a turd grater?
Pot….kettle…negro
37 Trent Hill // Feb 12, 2010 at 9:53 pm
No kidding.
When Paulie asked if he could post this article, I told him, “Sure Paulie! I wouldn’t want to censor you! =P”.
I think Tom’s comment is the most fair. The article WAS editorial, but Tom doesn’t say anything about the merits or demerits of the policy of objectivity. Seems fair enough to me.
Furthermore, a private individual removing something from a site is not censorship. To claim it is just weakens what the word actually means.
38 paulie // Feb 12, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Sorry. I didn’t realize it would degenerate into a grade school name-calling contest.
Still glad we covered the story, though, and maybe this comment section will lift itself out of the gutter yet.
39 Trent Hill // Feb 12, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Paulie,
Definitely not your fault, dude. I fully expected chaos to ensue.
40 Andy // Feb 13, 2010 at 12:19 am
“Bruce Cohen // Feb 12, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Actually, Alex does have a radio show, I have heard it. He tried to syndicate but can’t get AM listeners.”
This is NOT true.
” http://www.infowars.com/listen.html
The Alex Jones Show is a nationally syndicated news/talk show based out of Austin, TX. The show is syndicated by the Genesis Communication Network on over 60 AM and FM radio stations across the United States, as well as having a large internet based audience.”
41 Bruce Cohen // Feb 13, 2010 at 12:39 am
Andy@40 Yeah doh. I was trying unsuccessfully to be sarcastically funny. I won’t quit my day job.
I’ve heard the show when driving before. Only the callers are more insane than Alex.
Someone, especially someon his size, that would physically bully a tiny little girl like Michelle Malkin is not a nice person.
42 Andy // Feb 13, 2010 at 1:00 am
“I’ve heard the show when driving before. Only the callers are more insane than Alex.”
How exactly are they insane? What exactly do they say that is not true?
I’ve been following Alex Jones since 2001 and I’d say that he and his regular listeners are among the most well informed people around.
“Someone, especially someon his size, that would physically bully a tiny little girl like Michelle Malkin is not a nice person.”
Michelle Malkin is far from being a nice person. She’s an evil neo-con warmonger and police state cheerleader.
Alex did not bully her, he put her on the spot over the views that she spews. Here’s a link to the video.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alex-jones-confronts-michelle-malkin-at-the-dnc.html
43 Michael Cavlan RN // Feb 13, 2010 at 2:53 am
-Well dear God in Heaven. This was “interesting” commentary. Not good interesting just interesting.
As an aside, I completely got the whole IPR objectivity thing. It was also true that the article had virtually nothing to do with third party politics. I have had articles that were likewise rejected because they were not objective reporting on the antics (in my opinion) of the Green Party.
As for the original article, I have been a long time fan of Alex Jones so it shocked me a bit to see the video clip of him being an asshole at an event for the second amendment.
Wait, I am a “lefty”, like Alex Jones and support 100% the second. What the hell is wrong (or right0 with this picture?
Oh and since when did libertarians or Libertarians give a shit about anyone being gay or not? WTF does that have to do with liberty?
So, since I am on thios point, one of the finest blogs for an anti-war type like me is anti-war.com.
A libertarian site.
44 Alix CaCaJones // Feb 13, 2010 at 7:56 am
Funny, but mostly true:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Alex_Jones
And no, most libertarians don’t care whether anyone is gay, bi, straight, or whatever they are.
Jones is more the Constitution Party type than a libertarian, though.
45 InfoWarMonger // Feb 13, 2010 at 8:14 am
Andy
“Federal Reserve System (which is mostly run by Zionists).”
Evidence for this claim…?
46 polio cornholio // Feb 13, 2010 at 9:44 am
Oh and since when did libertarians or Libertarians give a shit about anyone being gay or not? WTF does that have to do with liberty?
Ask Alex Jones. Why does he condemn someone as a “gay lawyer”?
Those who attack gays range from those who are insecure in their sexuality and probably have suppressed gay fantasies, all the way to the active self-hating hypocrites. I don’t actually know where Jones fits on this spectrum but it is fun to laugh at him and his delusional fanboys.
Oh and Gary Filcher, you were not supposed to tell anybody about our gay sex and forgery parties, you naughty boy…LOL
47 Bruce Cohen // Feb 13, 2010 at 10:03 am
I’m a Zionist.
So are most of my friends and family.
Can we get a piece of the Fed, please?
Those other selfish Zionists aren’t sharing.
48 paulie // Feb 13, 2010 at 10:29 am
Bruce @47,
You’ll need to start attending the meetings of the Council of Learned Elders of Zion more regularly if you want a piece of the Fed. Be on time next time, and no more throwing paper airplanes, got it?
Corny @46,
OK, I got a good second and a half laugh at the name. Juvenile and stupid, but mildly creative. Cheers.
As for the dime store psychology – it has some truth to it, even though you overgeneralized. But you undercut your case with the gay cracks at myself, Andy and Gary, although none of us have exhibited the insecurities you refer to. Perhaps you have some sexual identity issues of your own? If so, good luck dealing with them.
Gotta go to work…have fun folks!
49 Bruce Cohen // Feb 13, 2010 at 10:48 am
Who made gay cracks? Not me.
My reading of the Torah, not being a Rabbi, except by the technicality of my last name, but still, Jews are forbidden to discriminate against gay people.
I personally need not such an admonition, as I have never felt any such prejudice.
I’m unclear as to why you would think that was me, since I have NEVER ever posted under an anonymous name at IPR, or anywhere else I can think of, either.
50 Bruce Cohen // Feb 13, 2010 at 11:01 am
I just got off the phone with Paulie and the poor guy has a sore ear from me yelling at him.
Sorry, Paulie.
He says his post @48 was not entirely for me, and all the text below “corny” is for the anonymous poster ‘cornholio’.
He can’t correct himself as he’s working.
Thank you, Paulie and I hope your ear gets well soon.
51 paulie // Feb 13, 2010 at 10:09 pm
k, fixd
52 johncjackson // Feb 14, 2010 at 10:41 pm
What is a VTV?
53 paulie // Feb 15, 2010 at 1:21 am
It’s what Neil calls himself. I can’t remember what it stands for.
54 Jason Gatties // Feb 15, 2010 at 11:12 pm
This site was 100 times better when Seagraves ran it and I find myself disagreeing with Seagraves most of the time lately.
Trent has always annoyed me. That beings said, it’s his website, he has the right to do with it as he pleases.
55 Ross Levin // Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Jason, I don’t think it’s changed much at all from one person to another.
56 Trent Hill // Feb 16, 2010 at 12:45 am
Jason,
I’m not quite sure who you even are, so you can imagine my surprise at you saying I annoy you. How have I annoyed you?
57 JT // Feb 16, 2010 at 11:53 am
If you don’t know how to (or don’t care to) write a news report without spelling/grammar mistakes and opinionated language, then you don’t deserve to have that report published. Write a blog posting. There’s a huge difference.
As a news writer myself, it’s a serious problem that some writers (even at the nation’s highest-profile news outlets) don’t find clear, factual reporting to be juicy or fun, so they freely cross the line between reporting and editorializing. That’s wrong, and they need to be told so.
58 Trent Hill // Feb 16, 2010 at 12:55 pm
JT–thank God someone gets it.
59 Don Lake ......... His words, my thouths // Feb 16, 2010 at 1:14 pm
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JT ………. “it’s a serious problem that some writers don’t find clear, factual reporting to be juicy or fun, so they freely cross the line between reporting and editorializing. That’s wrong, and they need to be told so.”
And is a symptom of [Reform Party style] dysfunctional partisan illusion/ disillusion sneakie, snarkie dysplacia.
60 paulie // Feb 18, 2010 at 1:43 am
VTV continues his anti-IPR crusade with a new blog posting on the BTP website…
http://www.bostontea.us/node/797
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