Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

Now, you’re wrong about a lot of things and I could extrapolate that to the entire CP, but that’s one of the things you’re wrong about. Guilt by association doesn’t work, certainly not when the “associated” are a tiny – mostly outcast – minority.

But nevermind that. You’re just plain factually wrong when you claim that no other group wants to lower the age of consent. In fact many groups wouldn’t mind lowering the age of consent by a year or two. But let’s look at an extreme example: The German group “Die krumme Dreizehn” (the crooked 13) wanted the age of consent lowered to 13. So let’s hear a racist rant against all Germans, please. As far as I know they were heterosexual as well, so please also accuse all heterosexuals of pedophilia.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

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” What, do you think they’re trying to convert people to their way of life? ”

Response – I have filmed NAMBLA many times at the San Francisco ” Pride ” Parade; i.e; where the homosexual community shows what it has PRIDE in. No other community – Eskimos, Italians, Australians, Nigerians, Vietnamese, etc. – NO ONE ELSE – has a group dedicated to molesting children. NO ONE ELSE has child molestors marching in their community parades. NO ONE ELSE. No other group has a professional child molestors group with chapters throughout the nation. ONLY the homosexual community can have PRIDE in these ” achievements.” NAMBLA is only one of virtually countless examples which I can present to put the lie to your statement. So Ms. Marbry you are either ignorant or a liar. And I will not accuse you of being ignorant. You know EXACTLY what you are pushing/promoting.

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OK, don’t stop.
It’s so funny seeing you beat the bigot about the head with your mouse.

We’re talking about already existing rights for people to live together and have the same rights and responsibilities as other people. No connection to “movements” other than an equal rights “movement” and no connection to abortion rights.

Already addressed your idiocy about homosexuals molesting children. No, PEDOPHILES molest children, and pedophiles are actually slightly more common among straight people than among homosexuals. In other words, attraction to children is not tied either to heterosexuality or homosexuality but is a separate issue.

If you would accuse me of supporting pedophilia, given my posts on this very site, you’re obviously uninformed. And that’s putting it lightly.

Response – LibertarianGirl – I believe that I made this bet before and it was not accepted but given that I may be repeating myself I now do it again – $1,000 cash is my bet that the fisting indoctrination/teaching event happened. The event has been verified in multiple documentation but, as you know, the real question is not whether it happened or not but whether you will accept/believe/admit the fact that it did. The sky can be blue but you can persist in calling it green even when you are looking right at it. It is the same phenomenon that claims that unborn children are ” blobs of tissue ” as compared to the human beings which they are. Basic science and facts right in front of your eyes make no difference when your anti-life religion demands that you deny them. The homosexual community can molest all of the children that they want in reliance that you and Jill P., as classic examples, will not lift a finger to stop them lest you be accused of being ” homophobic,” a fate worse than death to those whose most important mission of their existence is to protect their precious ego/self-image/fantasy no matter how rotten it may be in reality. Hence the homosexual movement can advance unchallenged and actually supported by the both of you in obtaining its basic aims. The proof of their plan, such as by Kevin Jennings, is there for all to see as it is being implimented as I write. But you both will never see/admit it not because it is not there but because you both do not want to see/admit the elephant in the room; an ” elephant ” which will make you look bad when and if you both finally admit that you both believe in it. It is a character flaw/defect called denial . Those who plan on, and currently are, attacking our children know that you both have it and are counting on you both never stopping using it. And they are right that you both never will.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

But you’re still a treasonous liberal commie just like everyone else in this country, because you refuse to endorse the establishment of an absolute monarchy.

To everyone else reading this thread, I was so horrified by Mr Grundmann’s nasty and foul comments a few months ago that I did some research on him. He is an unmarried, childless man who has devoted his life to talking about the supposed homosexual conspiracy to destroy the family and Christianity. There is a photo of him outside a courthouse where some jubilant gays had married holding a sign with some assorted message of hate. From what I can tell, the Constitution party he talks about has for the most part ignored him.

I’m sorry for whatever event or events made him this way, but children–all children–need to be protected from his hatred.

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Andrew and Eric swirled their tongues around the other’s like buzzards over a fresh carcass of roadkill. The redness of their cheeks crept up their faces as their eyes narrowed to complementary steely glints. Their mustaches were wet with each other and excited, stiff like the spine ridge of a threatened dog.

“It’s about law and order,” Andrew murmured, “we can’t let chaos reign.”

“Of course not,” Eric replied in a hoarse whisper. “Our enemies want to kill us. They wait for us around every corner.”

Eric gasped as Andrew’s thumb slipped into the scaled confines of his anus. Eric rubbed Andrew’s slack testicles in response, gently fondling each veined oblong in turn.

“How,” asked Andrew, “how can it be that I love a libertarian? What will I tell Joe?”

“Tell him,” Eric said, between the flutter of small kisses he was peppering Andrew face with, “that I’m barely a libertarian anyway. I hate Mexicans too.”

I would respectfully ask that Mister Don stop trolling here.

Thank you.

LOL ”

Response – How typical. Perhaps only a few Libertarians or anyone else responding to my post would not laugh when discussing the protection of children from attack upon them. But of course LibertarianGirl, as with Jill P. and so many others, not only has no objection to any such attack but in fact supports it. And you all call and consider parents who want to protect their children as ” bigots?” And that anyone who opposes your attack ” hates?” Just as you consider those of the black community who want to protect their community from your Plantation Master attack to destroy the morality of their community as bigots also. It is YOU who ” hate ” morality and humanity as a whole as you support and endorse the attack of the homosexual movement upon the children of our nation. The whole advance and objective of the homosexual movement is an attack to destroy Christian morality; the foundation of our society, culture, and nation; so that the Plantation Masters of the nation, the bankroll behind the homosexual movement, can rule the destroyed and docile ( like all of you ) remnants of the population. I notice not ONE PEEP from you rodents about protecting children – NOT ONE. Instead you, represented by LibertarianGirl, have a good laugh. That says all that needs to be said about your character and morality. The REAL people of our nation are not going to roll over and allow you rodents to attack their children and the generations to come. Your soul sickness will be stopped.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party