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	<title>Comments on: Wayne Root: &#8216;Universal Healthcare: The Great Bait and Switch Con Job&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Roderick Long puts it, 

&lt;hr&gt;


Those who see government power and corporate power as being in conflict, and those who seem them as being in cahoots, each have a point. The alliance between government and the corporate elite is like the partnership between church and state in the Middle Ages: each one wants to be the dominant partner, so there&#146;s naturally some pushing and shoving from time to time; but on the other hand the two parties have a common interest in holding down the rest of us, and so the conflict rarely goes too far. The main difference between &#147;left-wing&#148; and &#147;right-wing&#148; versions of statism, as I see it, is that the former generally seek to shift the balance a bit farther in favour of the state (&lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt;, toward state-socialism) while the latter generally seek to shift the balance a bit farther in favour of corporatism and plutocracy. (In the U.S., the reigning versions of liberalism and conservatism are arguably &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; more corporatist than state-socialist; but the liberals are still a few notches farther toward state-socialism than the conservatives are.) 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;	&lt;img src=&quot;http://praxeology.net/govt-biz-handshake.PNG&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; /&gt;

But whether the special interests who are the primary beneficiaries of state power are mainly within the state apparatus or mainly outside it, the actual application of state power remains much the same. Hence it is a mistake to suppose that the corporatist-plutocratic version of statism is in any interesting sense &lt;i&gt;less statist&lt;/i&gt; than the state-socialist version. 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
But it is an all-too-common mistake &#150; and this tendency to underestimate the chasm between free markets and corporatism is enormously beneficial to the state, enabling a slick bait-and-switch. When free markets and government grants of privilege to business are conflated, those who are attracted to free markets are easily duped into supporting plutocracy, thus swelling the ranks of statism&#146;s right wing &#150; while those who are turned off by plutocracy are likewise easily duped into opposing free markets, thereby swelling the ranks of statism&#146;s left wing. (These are the two tendencies that Kevin Carson calls &#147;vulgar libertarianism&#148; and &#147;vulgar liberalism,&#148; respectively.) 

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
As one of the villains in &lt;i&gt;The Fountainhead&lt;/i&gt; explains in a moment of frankness, talking about the choice Europe was then facing between communism and fascism: 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&#147;If you&#146;re sick of one version, we push you in the other. We&#146;ve fixed the coin. Heads &#150; collectivism. Tails &#150; collectivism. Give up your soul to a council &#150; or give it up to a leader. But give it up, give it up, give it up. Offer poison as food and poison as antidote. Go fancy on the trimmings, but hang on to the main objective. 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
The largely (though not completely) illusory conflict between state-oriented Palpatine and corporate-oriented Dooku in the &lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; prequels is a nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://aaeblog.net/2007/02/06/remembering-corporate-liberalism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dramatisation of the same principle&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
This dynamic applies in particular to the debate over health care policy. The contrast between, say, the Canadian and American approaches is frequently described &#150; &lt;i&gt;by both sides&lt;/i&gt; &#150; as a contrast between a &#147;governmental&#148; or &#147;socialised&#148; system on the one hand, and a &#147;market-based&#148; or &#147;free enterprise&#148; system on the other. But the American health care system bears little resemblance to a free market; instead it represents massive government intervention on behalf of private special interests, from insurance companies to the medical establishment. The choice between the American and Canadian models is simply a choice between different two different flavours of statism &#150; each with somewhat different vices, it&#146;s true (&lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt;, do you prefer higher prices or longer waits?), but ultimately coming down to a matter of the percentage to which control of your healthcare is exercised by people sitting in government offices as opposed to being exercised by people sitting in governmentally-privileged &#147;private&#148; offices &#150; but in either case by ambitious, avaricious apparatchiks who &lt;i&gt;aren&#146;t you&lt;/i&gt;. 

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
So what would a libertarian approach to health care policy look like? At a minimum it would have to include: 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
1. Repealing laws that have the effect of cartelising the medical industry (&lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt;, the licensure monopoly granted to the A.M.A.), thus artificially boosting the cost of medical care.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
2. Repealing laws that have the effect of rendering the labour market &lt;a href=&quot;http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/522&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oligopsonistic&lt;/a&gt;, thus artificially lowering people&#146;s ability to pay for (and collectively negotiate for) medical care.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; 
3. Repealing laws that shift healthcare funds from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_2/21_2_1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;25&#037;-devoured-by-overhead voluntary sector to the 75&#037;-devoured-by-overhead coercive sector&lt;/a&gt;, thus decreasing the amount of healthcare that gets to needy recipients. 

&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
4. Repealing laws that transfer the power to make medical decisions for individuals from those individuals to centralised bodies, thus increasing the impact and scope of fatally bad decisions and suppressing the competitive signals that allow the identification of better and worse policies.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
5. Repealing laws that wiped out the old &lt;a href=&quot;http://libertariannation.org/a/f12l3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mutual-insurance systems&lt;/a&gt; (basically HMOs run by the patients instead of by corporations) and empowered insurance companies at the expense of patients. 
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
6. Repealing laws that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinal09.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;suppress innovation and distribution in the pharmaceutical industry&lt;/a&gt; in the name of &#147;intellectual property.&#148;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Until the unlikely day when the Republican Party embraces this program, let&#146;s hear no more of their favouring a free-market approach to health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Roderick Long puts it, </p>
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<p>Those who see government power and corporate power as being in conflict, and those who seem them as being in cahoots, each have a point. The alliance between government and the corporate elite is like the partnership between church and state in the Middle Ages: each one wants to be the dominant partner, so there&#8217;s naturally some pushing and shoving from time to time; but on the other hand the two parties have a common interest in holding down the rest of us, and so the conflict rarely goes too far. The main difference between &#8220;left-wing&#8221; and &#8220;right-wing&#8221; versions of statism, as I see it, is that the former generally seek to shift the balance a bit farther in favour of the state (<i>i.e.</i>, toward state-socialism) while the latter generally seek to shift the balance a bit farther in favour of corporatism and plutocracy. (In the U.S., the reigning versions of liberalism and conservatism are arguably <i>both</i> more corporatist than state-socialist; but the liberals are still a few notches farther toward state-socialism than the conservatives are.) </p>
<p>	<img src="http://praxeology.net/govt-biz-handshake.PNG" align="right" /></p>
<p>But whether the special interests who are the primary beneficiaries of state power are mainly within the state apparatus or mainly outside it, the actual application of state power remains much the same. Hence it is a mistake to suppose that the corporatist-plutocratic version of statism is in any interesting sense <i>less statist</i> than the state-socialist version.
</p>
<p>
But it is an all-too-common mistake &#8211; and this tendency to underestimate the chasm between free markets and corporatism is enormously beneficial to the state, enabling a slick bait-and-switch. When free markets and government grants of privilege to business are conflated, those who are attracted to free markets are easily duped into supporting plutocracy, thus swelling the ranks of statism&#8217;s right wing &#8211; while those who are turned off by plutocracy are likewise easily duped into opposing free markets, thereby swelling the ranks of statism&#8217;s left wing. (These are the two tendencies that Kevin Carson calls &#8220;vulgar libertarianism&#8221; and &#8220;vulgar liberalism,&#8221; respectively.) </p>
<p>
As one of the villains in <i>The Fountainhead</i> explains in a moment of frankness, talking about the choice Europe was then facing between communism and fascism:
</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8220;If you&#8217;re sick of one version, we push you in the other. We&#8217;ve fixed the coin. Heads &#8211; collectivism. Tails &#8211; collectivism. Give up your soul to a council &#8211; or give it up to a leader. But give it up, give it up, give it up. Offer poison as food and poison as antidote. Go fancy on the trimmings, but hang on to the main objective.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
The largely (though not completely) illusory conflict between state-oriented Palpatine and corporate-oriented Dooku in the <i>Star Wars</i> prequels is a nice <a href="http://aaeblog.net/2007/02/06/remembering-corporate-liberalism" rel="nofollow">dramatisation of the same principle</a>.</p>
<p>
This dynamic applies in particular to the debate over health care policy. The contrast between, say, the Canadian and American approaches is frequently described &#8211; <i>by both sides</i> &#8211; as a contrast between a &#8220;governmental&#8221; or &#8220;socialised&#8221; system on the one hand, and a &#8220;market-based&#8221; or &#8220;free enterprise&#8221; system on the other. But the American health care system bears little resemblance to a free market; instead it represents massive government intervention on behalf of private special interests, from insurance companies to the medical establishment. The choice between the American and Canadian models is simply a choice between different two different flavours of statism &#8211; each with somewhat different vices, it&#8217;s true (<i>e.g.</i>, do you prefer higher prices or longer waits?), but ultimately coming down to a matter of the percentage to which control of your healthcare is exercised by people sitting in government offices as opposed to being exercised by people sitting in governmentally-privileged &#8220;private&#8221; offices &#8211; but in either case by ambitious, avaricious apparatchiks who <i>aren&#8217;t you</i>. </p>
<p>
So what would a libertarian approach to health care policy look like? At a minimum it would have to include:
</p>
<blockquote><p>
1. Repealing laws that have the effect of cartelising the medical industry (<i>e.g.</i>, the licensure monopoly granted to the A.M.A.), thus artificially boosting the cost of medical care.
</p>
<p>
2. Repealing laws that have the effect of rendering the labour market <a href="http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/522" rel="nofollow">oligopsonistic</a>, thus artificially lowering people&#8217;s ability to pay for (and collectively negotiate for) medical care.
</p>
<p>
3. Repealing laws that shift healthcare funds from the <a href="http://mises.org/journals/jls/21_2/21_2_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">25&#37;-devoured-by-overhead voluntary sector to the 75&#37;-devoured-by-overhead coercive sector</a>, thus decreasing the amount of healthcare that gets to needy recipients. </p>
<p>
4. Repealing laws that transfer the power to make medical decisions for individuals from those individuals to centralised bodies, thus increasing the impact and scope of fatally bad decisions and suppressing the competitive signals that allow the identification of better and worse policies.
</p>
<p>
5. Repealing laws that wiped out the old <a href="http://libertariannation.org/a/f12l3.html" rel="nofollow">mutual-insurance systems</a> (basically HMOs run by the patients instead of by corporations) and empowered insurance companies at the expense of patients.
</p>
<p>
6. Repealing laws that <a href="http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinal09.pdf" rel="nofollow">suppress innovation and distribution in the pharmaceutical industry</a> in the name of &#8220;intellectual property.&#8221;
</p>
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<p>
Until the unlikely day when the Republican Party embraces this program, let&#8217;s hear no more of their favouring a free-market approach to health care.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would it be a &quot;scam&quot; to not give hospitals your address and phone number? They have no right to the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it be a &#8220;scam&#8221; to not give hospitals your address and phone number? They have no right to the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lake .......... Other non Domestic News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lake .......... Other non Domestic News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie  // Dec 9, 2009:
&quot;Don’t give them your real address and number.
Duh!&quot;

[DonLake@ymail.com
263 Eucalyptus Court
Chula Vista
CAlifornia
91910-3030
619.420.0209
like scam artists ????]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie  // Dec 9, 2009:<br />
&#8220;Don’t give them your real address and number.<br />
Duh!&#8221;</p>
<p>[DonLake@ymail.com<br />
263 Eucalyptus Court<br />
Chula Vista<br />
CAlifornia<br />
91910-3030<br />
619.420.0209<br />
like scam artists ????]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no input with the Root campaign or even his handlers and I have been and will continue to be a critic of his. At least until I see an improvement.
Anyhow for what it is worth here is my on the fly release of what I think a candidate should have to say on this issue.

For immediate release:
Libertarian Party Congressional candidate Lysander Spooner today called on Congress to abolish occupational licensing laws in an effort to reform healthcare.  “The first thing is to rid the nation of the occupational licensing laws that deprive patients of access to alternative care.  Occupational licensing laws have their roots in the history of racial discrimination and were part of the post Civil War Black Codes which were intended to keep the newly freed slaves out of the marketplace. 

Occupational licensing laws restrict the practices of midwives as well as a number of other alternative practitioners but do nothing to protect consumers from fraudulent practitioners. They are a restraint on trade and deprive patients, especially women of a choice.
 
The state bodies that regulate the profession have too often become arms of the medical profession and do little or nothing to protect patients. No business should be allowed to be self policing any more than another. Would the country be better off  if used car salesmen were allowed to police themselves or how about bartenders?” 

The preamble to the Constitution reads in part “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice...”.  If to “establish Justice” means anything then the government should create adequate liability laws to protect patients against fraud, theft of services and injury from others.”
 
Ridding the nation of occupational licensing laws which restrict trade and are an infringement on the public’s freedom to choose is just one of a number of reforms that the Congress should make according to Spooner. 

Spooner also went on to call for the abolition of the FDA, repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act and said that state should repeal their Certificate of Needs laws where they exist.

Spooner concluded his comments with this statement; “If the concept of equality is to mean anything in our society midwives should have the same right to practice as publishers have to print.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no input with the Root campaign or even his handlers and I have been and will continue to be a critic of his. At least until I see an improvement.<br />
Anyhow for what it is worth here is my on the fly release of what I think a candidate should have to say on this issue.</p>
<p>For immediate release:<br />
Libertarian Party Congressional candidate Lysander Spooner today called on Congress to abolish occupational licensing laws in an effort to reform healthcare.  “The first thing is to rid the nation of the occupational licensing laws that deprive patients of access to alternative care.  Occupational licensing laws have their roots in the history of racial discrimination and were part of the post Civil War Black Codes which were intended to keep the newly freed slaves out of the marketplace. </p>
<p>Occupational licensing laws restrict the practices of midwives as well as a number of other alternative practitioners but do nothing to protect consumers from fraudulent practitioners. They are a restraint on trade and deprive patients, especially women of a choice.</p>
<p>The state bodies that regulate the profession have too often become arms of the medical profession and do little or nothing to protect patients. No business should be allowed to be self policing any more than another. Would the country be better off  if used car salesmen were allowed to police themselves or how about bartenders?” </p>
<p>The preamble to the Constitution reads in part “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice&#8230;”.  If to “establish Justice” means anything then the government should create adequate liability laws to protect patients against fraud, theft of services and injury from others.”</p>
<p>Ridding the nation of occupational licensing laws which restrict trade and are an infringement on the public’s freedom to choose is just one of a number of reforms that the Congress should make according to Spooner. </p>
<p>Spooner also went on to call for the abolition of the FDA, repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act and said that state should repeal their Certificate of Needs laws where they exist.</p>
<p>Spooner concluded his comments with this statement; “If the concept of equality is to mean anything in our society midwives should have the same right to practice as publishers have to print.”</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t give them your real address and number. 

Duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t give them your real address and number. </p>
<p>Duh!</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what alternative does Mr. Root suggest?&quot;

Tax cuts, deregulation and free markets.  Which means if you&#039;re too poor to pay taxes anyway and can&#039;t afford your doctor bills you&#039;ll be getting lots of calls and even home visits from your friendly neighborhood collection agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what alternative does Mr. Root suggest?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tax cuts, deregulation and free markets.  Which means if you&#8217;re too poor to pay taxes anyway and can&#8217;t afford your doctor bills you&#8217;ll be getting lots of calls and even home visits from your friendly neighborhood collection agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what alternative does Mr. Root suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what alternative does Mr. Root suggest?</p>
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