Instead, government massively regulates every single one of these aspects of health care, and when this steaming pile of government intervention doesn’t deliver affordable quality healthcare, what do socialists say? “The free market in health care doesn’t work! We need more intervention!”

“That wasn’t directed towards you, or anyone else who doesn’t substitute arguments for “DURR YOU ARE POINTING A GUN AT MY HEAD LOLOL FREE MARKET FUCK SOHAILZM””

I really wish people would actually believe me when I say that lol.

“BTW, it’s not plenty of people on this thread you are talking about – just one person with a bunch of screen names.”

Good point, but I’v e met a lot of libertarians out of this website that feel that way.

However, in the future, when I say I’m not referring to YOU or anyone else like you, please take that seriously.

No, I’m actually referring to the LP members and their ilk.

I’m an LP member. There are many others like me who are nothing like what you are talking about.

Plenty of libertarians (including on this blog, just in this thread) have that attitude.

And plenty don’t. I was just pointing out that what they call a free market isn’t a free market, what they calll socialism isn’t socialism, and while they may be Libertarians, they are hardly libertarians.

BTW, it’s not plenty of people on this thread you are talking about – just one person with a bunch of screen names.

No, I’m actually referring to the LP members and their ilk. I’m not referring to Republicans who claim to support a “Free market”. I’m aware of the difference between the two.

That wasn’t directed towards you, or anyone else who doesn’t substitute arguments for “DURR YOU ARE POINTING A GUN AT MY HEAD LOLOL FREE MARKET FUCK SOHAILZM” Plenty of libertarians (including on this blog, just in this thread) have that attitude.

Why is it that Free Market dogmatists always see their opponents as “socialist” or “communist”?

The people you are referring to are not free market dogmatists, or even supporters. They generally favor the state-corporate system (or an impossible fantasy about a stateless corporate system) and mislabel it “free market.” I’m a free marketeer, and I have nothing against real socialists/communists – but then, as I explained, real socialists don’t support a monopoly state, either.

Shame on you tiradefaction for bringing logic and common sense to the arena!

Why is it that Free Market dogmatists always see their opponents as “socialist” or “communist”? It’s not healthy to see your opponents as an evil incarnate figure, like Christians do with their opponents in calling them “Satanists”

Also, last I checked, socialists and communists have every right to assemble, organize, and lobby their government for whatever policies they want, just as libertarians are as well. To suggest otherwise is pretty antithetical to liberty in my book.

His vision was delusional, since the “transitional” phase (which was in no way democratic) became a dictatorship of the political ruling class, which eventually found its way back to the state-corporate model as more economically efficient than central planning.

More here. (.pdf)

I’ve always maintained that limited government is nothing more than limited tyranny

Correct. Of course, unlimited government is thus unlimited tyranny.

I think Marx envisioned a transitional phase of proletarian democracy before a stateless society based on voluntary mutual cooperation could be achieved.

Obviously capitalism cannot exist without state sanction and support. I’ve always maintained that limited government is nothing more than limited tyranny, and those economic darwinians like Wayne Root who profess support for limited government are only interested in limiting government to protecting their own interests.

Some self-styled socialists have theorized that the state would be a means to achieve worker self-government, but in reality it just created a new political ruling class. Thus, in no way is state “socialism” truly socialist.

Real socialism is fully compatible with real libertarianism (non-initiation of coercion). In fact, it is the only possible means by which workers can achieve self-governance.

What you are terming socialism or communism is more properly called statism, nationalization, or fascism. Corporate statism is likewise just another form of fascism, even though some “libertarians” have been duped into supporting it because it is falsely called “free market” capitalism (which is actually a contradiction in terms).

The anti-immigration freedom, anti-international trade, regime-enforced social traditionalist views of the Constitution Party are likewise incompatible with libertarianism.

Corporate statism, nationalism, nationalization, and state “socialism” are really much the same – and neither one is either socialist or libertarian.

Voluntaryism can be both socialist and libertarian. A true free market can also be libertarian, but it has nothing to do with the state-entwined corporate big business economic system we actually have.

Translation “I don’t like what you say, nor do I care for you insulting my MESSIAH! LEAVE THIS COUNTRY NOW!”

Some advocate of freedom lol.

Why, is Russia socialist?