[a] First the CP and LP are known wide and far and GOP and [apologies to paulie] rather conservative.

Deservedly so, until we do more to correct that mistake.

I never told Paulie that we didn’t want to engage in “advocacy.” However, Antiwar.com is a 501(c)3 organization and we do not and may not endorse candidates for office.

Our attorneys tell us that we may not set up a parallel electoral arm without endangering our IRS exemption. I am not aware of any 501(c)3 that set up a parallel organization to endorse Ron Paul. In fact, LewRockwell.com had to reorganize as a 501(c)4 in order to support the Ron Paul candidacy.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was a parallel organization, but they just changed their status.

As for setting up parallel organizations, it’s commonplace – MPP, for example. I don’t know why you would not be allowed to do the same thing they did. They might even tell you how they did it if you ask them.

BTW, we endorsed the Dec. 12 rally.

Glad to hear it. But the original point that led to this discussion was the lack of libertarian speakers (unless you count Mike Gravel). I’m thinking that the only way we will get significant representation of libertarian speakers at peace events is if libertarians organize rallies like this. I don’t know of anyone better equipped to do so than you all, although I would welcome anyone else who would be willing to take it on.

Boy you prove what folks are thinking about you on a regular basis. [Hear from the Vatican recently ????]

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* USA unilaterally cancels Viet Nam wide mandate ………….

[a] First the CP and LP are known wide and far and GOP and [apologies to paulie] rather conservative.

[b] Secondary, as such, the other anti war juveniles do not want ‘them’ to play in their sand box of parades, rallies and boots on the lawn!

For years I have tried to get the yearly organizers of the San Diego Zoo/ Balboa Park events to reach out to non middies and non lefties for the anniversary of the unconstitutional invasion of the mid east.

Not only were the CP and LP types luke warm, but the Greens and P&F types mumbled all over the place about them ‘not fitting in’.

Not directly, but observed, much the same seems to happen every April for Earth Day [also near San Diego Zoo/ Balboa Park]!

I’m not trying to be a smartass but how do we get Libertarians more involved with the general antiwar movement. How do we get speakers from our side to attend these events?

I know that some people have done some work and that includes me. I’ve done a booth or two and pulled myself out of bed after surgery in 2003 to participate in an antiwar march
( pardon me for bragging) and I know others that are at work on the issue. A libertarian friend has a radio show where he reads the numbers killed each week.

Personally I’m disappointed and I know my friend in radio is as well at the lack of effort by the big shots, shall we call them, in doing something about this issue. Fact is it is one reason my friend left the party.
Thanks.

Our attorneys tell us that we may not set up a parallel electoral arm without endangering our IRS exemption. I am not aware of any 501(c)3 that set up a parallel organization to endorse Ron Paul. In fact, LewRockwell.com had to reorganize as a 501(c)4 in order to support the Ron Paul candidacy.

BTW, we endorsed the Dec. 12 rally.

Finally Ford was forced by the Dem-controlled Congress to pull out the very last of American troops. And it was over.

The Paris Peace Accords consisted of several points including reparations, withdrawal of US troops, negotiations between the Thieu regime and the VC toward a political settlement and finally a gradual reunification with the Hanoi regime.

The US quickly repudiated any reparations and the Thieu regime refused to negotiate with the VC.

But Eric is correct that the Watergate scandal probably hastened the return of our troops.

There was a popular libertarian bumpersticker at the time “It’s hard enough supporting one government, let alone Thieu”.

PEACE

http://www.keyc.com/node/31297

The media coverage, at least based on the number of cameras that were there was good.

Mean Green Party members are also in the media now. Jared Ball of the Green Party was doing various interviews for his broadcast on the radio.

The Washington Post, Washington Times, Examiner, Chronicle were among familiar reports walking through the crowd.

A group of college students were also working through the crowd with question forms. They were doing a study of who attended, and their motives…

Are you here because you are a Green Party candidate?

Will you run as a Green Party candidate?

For a day long event the turnout was excellent for a cold December day.

I would guess a few thousand folks visited the day long event.

The Baltimore Green Party had some excellent banners.

It was really a joyous celebration for all of us wanting a Green Party alternative to the two larger parties.

It’s always a challenge to give a fair estimate of how

By what authority was the United States government intervening in southeast Asia?

None other than “might makes right.”

Or, as the invasion of Panama was ironically called, “Operation Just (Be)Cause”.

For the life of me I don’t get this attitude; “I brought it up to Eric Garris, but they don’t want to expand into advocacy…”

Neither do I. They’d be the logical ones to do it, as the work they have already done would take a lot to recreate. But the idea always gets shot down.

Given that Al Qaeda in Iraq was a fundraising scheme — scam is perhaps too cruel — by the Army for God and Monotheism — Iraqi revolutionary groups are fond of impressive names — the danger that Mr Bin Ladin’s friends will conquer Iraq is a bit more limited than that. After all, the scheme was conducted in public via the press, it being difficult for the Army for God and Monotheism to phone Mr. Bin Ladin. The Army for… leadership said publicly that if Mr Bin Ladin would come up with the cash, they would change their name, and the deal was visibly consummated, an approach familiar to every American whose athletic field is now the King Klang Corn Dog Stadium.

I guess in the same way that the 5% of the Sunni insurgents in Iraq who were al-Qaeda would have defeated the other 95% as well as the Shiite militias and the Kurds, and then stormed across the Middle East and Europe.

There might be an Al Qaida operative hiding under your bed right now!

“Yes Sir, the United States of America is such an “Empire,” that throughout the 1990s, the Clinton Administration gave away 5 Alaska Islands to the Russians with millions of aquatical miles of fishing rights, despite the unanimous opposition of the Alaska Legislature, Democrats and Republicans.

But it didn’t stop there.

Five Islands in the South Pacific were given away to the tiny Nation of Kirabati, including Big Makin, where one of the major battles against the Japanese in WWII was fought. Big Makin has a big WWII American Marines cemetary there. But despite the objections of the VFW, and American Legion, Clinton gave Makin and the other 4 islands to Kirabati.

Then they tried to give away 3 islands in the Caribbean, US Territories – Seranilla Banks, Bajo Nuevo, and Navassa (off the coast of Haiti).”

That’s a nice start. Now let’s give back everything else we’ve gotten through war, rather than pioneering expansion or purchase.

Enforcing the treaties made with the native nations would be a good step to take as well, and what about the occupied territories the US is still holding from the Mexican-American war?

It was an extraordinary event organized, and run by Independent Greens in just three weeks.

I doubt that. If it had been, I don’t think the national Green Party would have been involved. I’d be interested in more details on this. Is IGP taking credit for other people’s work again?

“What peace is this foolish occupation of the graveyard of empires going to lead to? On the contrary, it can only lead to quagmire, more terrorism, and the bankrupting of America.”

Oh come on, Paulie, you couldnt link to my article?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/hill-t1.html

Excellent article. This is the first time I’ve read it. It appears it was publuished back in May, when I was without internet. Had I known about it, I would have linked it, as it goes into much more detail than the one I found in a cursory search.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/12/813563/-Wars-or-Jobs:-Decide-Now

Oh, well.

One news report said 100 people “organized” the event. So, I don’t know if they were implying only 100 attended…????

Have not seen other numbers.

There is a website that has posted some audio of the music and speeches:

http://www.voxunion.com/?p=2007

Democrats had control of both houses of Congress from 1957 until 1981. If they wanted to vote against legislation supporting South Viet Nam they could have done so anytime.