I’m calling Murphy’s Law

http://www.lewrockwell.com/maloney/maloney19.1.html

providing individual retirement since 1947

ROFLMAO @ #54

Yup, I even have family who have intimate knowledge of IRA and by that I mean Individual Retirement Accounts.

No really Mr FBI man. Ask your buddies in MI5.

LOLOL

Lake: It has been a couple of years, but I found Dondero, the [so called, fakey dakey] Independent Green Parties, pretty much any ‘reformist’ and Cory Quirk get real evasive when pressed for the details. (These folks want to be ‘public’ figures with out the publicity ??????)

Problem for those fuckers, is that we’ve got guns,

Dondero should get to know some of the rural Greens in Arkansas. They got guns and they know how to use ‘em, too.

And Mr. Cavlan? I don’t know, but the acronym “IRA” just might mean something other than Individual Retirement Account to him.

But then, I don’t have a permit to ask stupid questions*.

* Trace Adkins – Rough and Ready Lyrics

Yeah, that’s a real gun in that gun rack
No, I don’t have a permit for it
Do you have a permit to ask stupid questions like that
That’s how you get hurt, boy

You know, I’ve run into people working for ACORN as well as Ralph Nader petitions as well as Green Party petitioners, and I NEVER had a problem with any of them.

I remember back in 2004 I ran into ACORN registrars (as in people doing voter registration) while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access in Pennsylvania and in Kentucky.

I ran into Ralph Nader petitioners in Illinois and Kentucky in 2004 while I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with them as well.

I also ran into some woman who was gathering signatures (for what turned out to be a failed attempt) to put the Green Party on the ballot in Texas in 2004 when I was working on Libertarian Party ballot access and I had no problem with her.

I’ve got a feeling that these problems that Eric Dondero is speaking of have more to do with his piss poor attitude than it was to do with ACORN registrars or Ralph Nader or Green Party petitioners.

I’m friendly when I see another petitioner/registrar. If the other petitioner/registrar is friendly back to me then we don’t have a problem, which there usually isn’t.

Exactly.

Richard Winger could confirm this, but I’m pretty sure the petition that got the Libertarian Party ballot status in 2008 was the one that was circulated by myself and two other petitioners in Ohio in the summer of 2007. We got them like 3,000 signatures and then they ran out of money and had to shut the paid portion of that petition drive down. They got a few volunteer signatures and then filed a lawsuit where they challenged Ohio’s ballot access laws. Their lawsuit was actually successful and I’m pretty sure that THIS was what got the Libertarian Party of Ohio ballot access in 2008 and still has them on the ballot for 2010. The former ballot access law in Ohio was thrown out and the state legislature is supposed to come up with a new ballot access law, probably this year. I think that this lawsuit that got Ohio’s former ballot access law thrown out also gave ballot access to other parties such as the Green Party, the Socialist Party, the Constitution Party, and probably Ralph Nader as an independent as well.

So Eric, I don’t think that the petition that you worked on is what got Barr on the ballot in Ohio in 2008. I think that you and Arenza and whoever else may have been there where just sent in as backups in case the lawsuit did not work out.

And by the way, Richard Winger said that the signatures that myself and two other petitioners collected for Libertarian Party ballot access in Ohio in 2007 were an integral part in making that lawsuit successful.

Andy is correct. The other two guys in Ohio 2007 were me and Gary.

Read Jonah Goldberg’s book “Liberal Fascism.”

Read
The Reality of Red-State Fascism

Triumph of the Red-State Fascists

Naturally there’ll sometimes be a Lib and a Green running for the same office. I don’t see that as anything bad.

Actually, it’s really good. Having both Greens and Libertarians in as many races as possible allows the real debates to take place and negates the phony “spoiler” factor to some degree.

Parties Green, Libertarian, and Constitution agree on noninterventionism, while Democrats and Republicans alike are devotely interventionist.

Good point. This is the real divide in American politics…not the phony “left” vs. “right” game that the elite team uses to divide and conquer those of us at the bottom, along with other divide and conquer factors such as “race.”

Think of it as a triangle;as long as we remain divided at the bottom, they sit safely perched on top of politics, business, media, etc, etc, in an incestuous interlocking revolving door power structure.

Acorn supported Barack Obama, NOT Nader. Acorn vehemently OPPOSED Ralph Nader.

True.

NeoCon convention right along with Bill Bennett, Bill Krystral, Fred Barnes, Pat Robertson and all those other Religious Rightists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative:

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.[4]

The term neoconservative was used at one time as a criticism against proponents of American modern liberalism who had “moved to the right”.[5][6] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[7] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by “the notion that liberalism” had failed and “no longer knew what it was talking about.”[8] The term “neoconservative” was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush.[9][10] with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.[11]

The first major neoconservative to embrace the term, Irving Kristol, was considered a founder of the neoconservative movement. Kristol wrote of his neoconservative views in the 1979 article “Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed ‘Neoconservative.’”[5] His ideas have been influential since the 1950s, when he co-founded and edited Encounter magazine.[12] Another source was Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine from 1960 to 1995. By 1982 Podhoretz was calling himself a neoconservative, in a New York Times Magazine article titled “The Neoconservative Anguish over Reagan’s Foreign Policy”.[13][14] Kristol’s son, William Kristol, founded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century.

In ‘04 it was the Green and Libertarian Parties that paid for and staffed the Kerry/Bush recount. Maybe because we are more concerned with fair and free elections than any democrat or republican.

Thank you!

The Greens and the Libertarians get along in Ohio. We don’t agree on some issues, but we respect each other.

Same here in Alabama. The closest thing we have to a Green Party office is in the same building as the Libertarian office on Highland in Birmingham.

Or is he a Libertarian?

I’ll let Mr. Dondero answer that one for himself:

http://www.smallgov.org/?p=355#comment-4549

Same feeling many of us have with Joe Lieberman.

He’s mostly wrong on a whole slew of social and economic matters. But he is RIGHT ON on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That’s why True libertarians support him.

Thus, logically, “True Libertarians” should also support Barack Obama….right? After all….

Although Obama is wrong on a whole slew of social and economic matters, he’s for keeping the troops in Iraq for the foreseeable future, vastly expanding the war with Afghanistan, and expanding the war into other countries such as Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, and who knows where else. He’s also keeping and expanding all the Bush gang policies on torture, secret prisons, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detentions, military commissions, use of the military for civilian policing, etc., etc.

Hey Paulie

Serious question here.

How in the name of God do you guys deal with nut jobs like this guy?

(Shrug) How do you deal with some of the less polite Demo-Greens?

Actually, as far as I can remember I’ve never met Mr. Dondero in person.

I did talk to him on the phone once. He apparently misread one of my posts here and though that my number was the number for the Libertarian Party of West Virginia, and that they were hiring petitioners. In reality, I was up there by myself mostly working on spec, losing money and Andy was trying to raise money on the phone just to keep me going. They were certainly not in a position to hire more petitioners and in the end I had to bail as they could not afford to pay me for $2000 worth of signatures I already collected.

On that occasion Eric was very polite and soft-spoken, and did not sound anything like how he sounds on the radio or how he comes off in a lot of his blog posts and comments.

Kimberly Wilder, I petitioned for Bob Barr for President up in New England in 2008: Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maines, and Rhode Island. I saw these Ralph Nader/Green Party freaks first hand, stealing our petition locations, blocking our petitioners, and screwing us over on notaries, causing us to lose ballot status in Connecticut.

The Libertarian Party has no one to blame but themselves (more specifically, former political director Sean Haugh and 2008 ballot access coordinator Scott Kohlhaas) for failing to get on the ballot in Connecticut and Maine. Had they not shuffled myself, Andy and Jake off to Alabama, where we were far less needed, they would have comfortably made the ballot in those states. Doubly so if they had employed Gary Fincher, who was already in New England. They let their stupid personal vendettas cost the party those two states by that act alone.

I did work Massachusetts for both the LP and Nader in 2008. Same deal in Alabama. I only ran into one Nader petitioner in Illinois, which only allows petitioners to do one candidate/party and where signatures of people who sign both petitions can be thrown out; even though we were in direct competition, we got along fine, and he ended up complimenting me on my technique.

2004: Didn’t have any problems with Nader petitioners in Texas, Illinois; went to Pennsylvania because both Bill Redpath and Nader coordinator Jason Kafoury told us we could and should do both up there, but left when the Nader state coordinator said his interpretation of state law was people could not sign both. Briefly worked Nader petitions in Maryland on way to DC where we did LP, but some other petitioners I know also worked Nader at the same time. Very briefly worked Nader only in Virginia, then worked both in Alabama. Neither I nor anyone I worked with while working in the same or any other states had any problems with Nader people.

2000: No problems with Nader people that year either. Got along fine with a Green Party petitioner I met on the El, took her downtown to the LP’s Chicago HQ and introduced her to the LP’s Ron Crickenberger. She expressed interest in possibly working LP in other states. Oklahoma: got along fine with both the Green and Buchanan petitioners at an arts fair; ended up doing some side work for the Reform Party there.

So, three election cycles, multiple states, multiple petitioners, zero problems with Nader or Green petitioners or any other party/candidate petitioners for that matter.

The only times I have had problems with petitioners have been on initiatives. Some of those guys can be very rude and don’t respect “first come first served.”

Eric Dondero…

What party are you actually registered in?

Mr. Dondero never answered the specific question that was asked.

to be fair, I don’t know if Texas is one of the states that has registration by party or not, but if it is, that’s a fair question that has not ben answered.

The Green Party did not endorse a position, or even a candidate.

The Green Party put out a “same boat coalition” press release about one tiny issue – that every candidate has a right to debate and to be covered in the press fairly.

What is there to contradict about that?

Nothing.

Exactly.