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	<title>Comments on: Alan Keyes: &#8216;Why the elite wants Christianity out of politics&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/12/alan-keyes-why-the-elite-wants-christianity-out-of-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-145339</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Zackwheat: I can&#039;t resist sharing this tidbit from a long-ago professor of mine:

It rains somewhere &#039;most every day
Upon the just and unjust fellas,
But mostly upon the just,
Because the unjust have the just&#039;s umbrellas.

njm: As for this sad accident happening, one of the shortcomings of religion is that it does not take probability into account, nor are we taught that as we receive our religious training (which begins at such an impressionable age.) Ironic, since we are otherwise taught to otherwise be so literal about all matters religious. The role of religion is in morals and ethics...not statistics and probability, natural science, or anything else. Once one realizes this, one is no longer beset by worries such as yours about this accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Zackwheat: I can&#8217;t resist sharing this tidbit from a long-ago professor of mine:</p>
<p>It rains somewhere &#8216;most every day<br />
Upon the just and unjust fellas,<br />
But mostly upon the just,<br />
Because the unjust have the just&#8217;s umbrellas.</p>
<p>njm: As for this sad accident happening, one of the shortcomings of religion is that it does not take probability into account, nor are we taught that as we receive our religious training (which begins at such an impressionable age.) Ironic, since we are otherwise taught to otherwise be so literal about all matters religious. The role of religion is in morals and ethics&#8230;not statistics and probability, natural science, or anything else. Once one realizes this, one is no longer beset by worries such as yours about this accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Grundmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Grundmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurker - The corruption of Alan Keyes and his gangsters has not yet been stopped.  The battle continues and in the new year we will continue to work to see that Keyes and his fellow moral criminals, inclusive of Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg, are flushed down the toilet.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker &#8211; The corruption of Alan Keyes and his gangsters has not yet been stopped.  The battle continues and in the new year we will continue to work to see that Keyes and his fellow moral criminals, inclusive of Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg, are flushed down the toilet.</p>
<p>Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Mr. Keyes misses the obvious point that the Christ did not--that the very nature of being in elected office and imposing burdens on others while not equally on themselves is what makes our incumbents modern Pharisees.

And like their predecessors in that time, they really don&#039;t like being called out on it and then rally crowds with false rhetoric against the truth.

Discussing THOSE parallels, whether one is a Christian or not, makes for one interesting conversation on the political side, religious aspects included or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Mr. Keyes misses the obvious point that the Christ did not&#8211;that the very nature of being in elected office and imposing burdens on others while not equally on themselves is what makes our incumbents modern Pharisees.</p>
<p>And like their predecessors in that time, they really don&#8217;t like being called out on it and then rally crowds with false rhetoric against the truth.</p>
<p>Discussing THOSE parallels, whether one is a Christian or not, makes for one interesting conversation on the political side, religious aspects included or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief.

A year and a half later, and Mr. Grundmann still cannot set aside this apparent love affair that he has with Alan Keyes.

When I saw this, I just shook my head and said to myself, &quot;There he goes again... poor Mr. Grundmann, barreling his way down the same ol&#039; rabbit trail.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.</p>
<p>A year and a half later, and Mr. Grundmann still cannot set aside this apparent love affair that he has with Alan Keyes.</p>
<p>When I saw this, I just shook my head and said to myself, &#8220;There he goes again&#8230; poor Mr. Grundmann, barreling his way down the same ol&#8217; rabbit trail.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lake .......... A Couple More Paul Harvey Moments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lake .......... A Couple More Paul Harvey Moments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catholic Trotskyist  // Dec 19, 2009
&quot;Good post Don Grundman.&quot;

Lake:  Even more Bible Beating and ‘Fear and Loathing’ ----- oh joy!

My how these Professional Christians can quote them Pagans! And the dim witted wonder why I wanna keep religion out of secular public administration. (As Bruno was burnt and Galileo was imprisoned via the &#039;logic&#039; of Pagan Greeks!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholic Trotskyist  // Dec 19, 2009<br />
&#8220;Good post Don Grundman.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lake:  Even more Bible Beating and ‘Fear and Loathing’ &#8212;&#8211; oh joy!</p>
<p>My how these Professional Christians can quote them Pagans! And the dim witted wonder why I wanna keep religion out of secular public administration. (As Bruno was burnt and Galileo was imprisoned via the &#8216;logic&#8217; of Pagan Greeks!)</p>
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		<title>By: Catholic Trotskyist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catholic Trotskyist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Don Grundman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Don Grundman.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Lake .......... A Couple More Paul Harvey Moments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lake .......... A Couple More Paul Harvey Moments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bible Beating and &#039;Fear and Loathing&#039; oh joy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bible Beating and &#8216;Fear and Loathing&#8217; oh joy!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Grundmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Grundmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A extremely excellent article by Mr. Keyes which is tragically totally negated in the fact that his own personal corruption, as documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com, overwhelms and totally erases the message which he writes.  A beyond classic case of a totally corrupt messenger attempting to cover up his corruption with a outstanding message.  What counts is not his excellent analysis but the fact that his own corruption destroys his message.  A fitting reality when he himself is under the control of and a mouthpiece for the very elites, the enemies of both our Republic and humanity as a whole, he would claim to oppose.  His actions and character were described thousands of years ago - “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.  But it cannot survive treason from within.  An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly.  But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself.  For the traitor appears not a traitor- he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.  He rots the soul of a nation - he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city - he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.  A murderer is less to be feared.”-- Cicero, 42 B.C.E.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C.  Vice-Chairman  American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A extremely excellent article by Mr. Keyes which is tragically totally negated in the fact that his own personal corruption, as documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com, overwhelms and totally erases the message which he writes.  A beyond classic case of a totally corrupt messenger attempting to cover up his corruption with a outstanding message.  What counts is not his excellent analysis but the fact that his own corruption destroys his message.  A fitting reality when he himself is under the control of and a mouthpiece for the very elites, the enemies of both our Republic and humanity as a whole, he would claim to oppose.  His actions and character were described thousands of years ago &#8211; “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious.  But it cannot survive treason from within.  An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly.  But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself.  For the traitor appears not a traitor- he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.  He rots the soul of a nation &#8211; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city &#8211; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.  A murderer is less to be feared.”&#8211; Cicero, 42 B.C.E.</p>
<p>Don J. Grundmann, D.C.  Vice-Chairman  American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, Alan, you prove you&#039;re a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, Alan, you prove you&#8217;re a moron.</p>
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