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	<title>Comments on: IPR Exclusive: Libertarian race in PA brings minor party status for at least 2 years</title>
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		<title>By: Mik Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mik Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 There is a list of elected Libertarians on the LP website, although the Pennsylvania list was incomplete the last time I checked. It was actually a pretty good year for us, with about 60% of our candidates on the November ballot elected. Many were township supervisor, borough council, and mayor positions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 There is a list of elected Libertarians on the LP website, although the Pennsylvania list was incomplete the last time I checked. It was actually a pretty good year for us, with about 60% of our candidates on the November ballot elected. Many were township supervisor, borough council, and mayor positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aroundtheblockafewtimes - I&#039;ve been looking for those.  I&#039;m very busy, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aroundtheblockafewtimes &#8211; I&#8217;ve been looking for those.  I&#8217;m very busy, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, thanks for the corrections.  My comment was only based on my recollections, and you&#039;re absolutely right that those recollections were faulty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, thanks for the corrections.  My comment was only based on my recollections, and you&#8217;re absolutely right that those recollections were faulty.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Trent- Hoffman wasn’t “third party”. He was (and is) a Republican. He will win this seat next year as a Republican with the Conservative Party of New York’s nomination.&quot;

Ditto to what Richard said. He was running on a third party ballot-line--that&#039;s all that matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trent- Hoffman wasn’t “third party”. He was (and is) a Republican. He will win this seat next year as a Republican with the Conservative Party of New York’s nomination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ditto to what Richard said. He was running on a third party ballot-line&#8211;that&#8217;s all that matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Aroundtheblockafewtimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aroundtheblockafewtimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where&#039;s the list of all the dogcatchers, judges of elections, park advisors, and the like that the LP won this year?  [Yes, I know you all work very hard at these postions.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where&#8217;s the list of all the dogcatchers, judges of elections, park advisors, and the like that the LP won this year?  [Yes, I know you all work very hard at these postions.]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Winger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Winger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2008, Arizona Libertarian nominee Mike Renzulli polled 17.44% for State Senate in the 14th district; Libertarian nominee James Ianmuzo polled 14.00% in the State House 7th district race; Mark Phelps polled 13.49% for State House 27th district.

Also in 2008, Green nominee Jack Kretzer polled 23.57% for State Senate, 24th district.

All the races I mention in this e-mail only had one major party running, so one can make a good case that the 2009 Tucson city council showing is more impressive than those 2008 examples.   I am making this comment only because comment #18 also mentions the type of race with only one major party opponent, and I didn&#039;t want people to think no minor party candidate had got as much as 8% in all those years (also, that US Senate race was in 2000, not 1998).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2008, Arizona Libertarian nominee Mike Renzulli polled 17.44% for State Senate in the 14th district; Libertarian nominee James Ianmuzo polled 14.00% in the State House 7th district race; Mark Phelps polled 13.49% for State House 27th district.</p>
<p>Also in 2008, Green nominee Jack Kretzer polled 23.57% for State Senate, 24th district.</p>
<p>All the races I mention in this e-mail only had one major party running, so one can make a good case that the 2009 Tucson city council showing is more impressive than those 2008 examples.   I am making this comment only because comment #18 also mentions the type of race with only one major party opponent, and I didn&#8217;t want people to think no minor party candidate had got as much as 8% in all those years (also, that US Senate race was in 2000, not 1998).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary DeCamp, Green Party candidate for Tucson City Council &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pima.gov/elections/results.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;did very well&lt;/a&gt; last night.  She pulled in 6.11% of the vote and made life very difficult for the Democratic incumbent in that district, Karin Uhlich.  Uhlich won reelection by less than a single percentage point.

In general, there appears to have been an anti-Democratic, anti-incumbent mood in the Tucson City Council elections.  Councilwoman Nina Trasoff lost reelection and even Richard Fimbres won by single digits.  What makes this particularly impressive is that all three Republican candidates were recruited by robocalls to random Republican voters asking them to run for City Council.

DeCamp&#039;s performance is impressive given that the Green Party has been on the ballot in Arizona for just over a year.  This is the best performance by a third party candidate in the state, if I remember correctly, since Vance Hansen (Green) and William Toel (Independent) each polled 8% against Jon Kyl for U.S. Senate in 1998, in a race where there was no Democratic candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary DeCamp, Green Party candidate for Tucson City Council <a href="http://www.pima.gov/elections/results.htm" rel="nofollow">did very well</a> last night.  She pulled in 6.11% of the vote and made life very difficult for the Democratic incumbent in that district, Karin Uhlich.  Uhlich won reelection by less than a single percentage point.</p>
<p>In general, there appears to have been an anti-Democratic, anti-incumbent mood in the Tucson City Council elections.  Councilwoman Nina Trasoff lost reelection and even Richard Fimbres won by single digits.  What makes this particularly impressive is that all three Republican candidates were recruited by robocalls to random Republican voters asking them to run for City Council.</p>
<p>DeCamp&#8217;s performance is impressive given that the Green Party has been on the ballot in Arizona for just over a year.  This is the best performance by a third party candidate in the state, if I remember correctly, since Vance Hansen (Green) and William Toel (Independent) each polled 8% against Jon Kyl for U.S. Senate in 1998, in a race where there was no Democratic candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone from NY, I agree with Richard Winger&#039;s assessment.

You have to say that Hoffman was a Conservative. He was not running on any line that told the voter he was Republican.

On the ballot, it said &quot;Conservative Party.&quot; So, that is the party that would have gotten the credit for electing him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone from NY, I agree with Richard Winger&#8217;s assessment.</p>
<p>You have to say that Hoffman was a Conservative. He was not running on any line that told the voter he was Republican.</p>
<p>On the ballot, it said &#8220;Conservative Party.&#8221; So, that is the party that would have gotten the credit for electing him.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Winger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Winger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Hoffman had won the election yesterday, I would classify it as an election victory for a minor party.  What counts is the ballot label that wins, not how the candidate is registered.  After all, Bill Owens is a registered independent, but no one is claiming New York voters elected an independent to Congress.  Also there was a Conservative Party registrant in Congress from Long Island, New York, during the 1980&#039;s, but no one said that was a Conservative Party victory, because he was elected with mostly Republican votes.

It is different in fusion states that show (by the order of party names) which party the candidate is a member of.  But in New York, it is impossible from looking at the ballot to know how any candidate is registered, so the only fair way to judge the outcome is by which party line produced the most votes for that winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hoffman had won the election yesterday, I would classify it as an election victory for a minor party.  What counts is the ballot label that wins, not how the candidate is registered.  After all, Bill Owens is a registered independent, but no one is claiming New York voters elected an independent to Congress.  Also there was a Conservative Party registrant in Congress from Long Island, New York, during the 1980&#8217;s, but no one said that was a Conservative Party victory, because he was elected with mostly Republican votes.</p>
<p>It is different in fusion states that show (by the order of party names) which party the candidate is a member of.  But in New York, it is impossible from looking at the ballot to know how any candidate is registered, so the only fair way to judge the outcome is by which party line produced the most votes for that winner.</p>
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		<title>By: NewFederalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewFederalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent- Hoffman wasn&#039;t &quot;third party&quot;. He was (and is) a Republican. He will win this seat next year as a Republican with the Conservative Party of New York&#039;s nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent- Hoffman wasn&#8217;t &#8220;third party&#8221;. He was (and is) a Republican. He will win this seat next year as a Republican with the Conservative Party of New York&#8217;s nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could&#039;ve been better (Like, say Daggett pulling 20% and Hoffman winning), but yesterday was very good for local third partiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could&#8217;ve been better (Like, say Daggett pulling 20% and Hoffman winning), but yesterday was very good for local third partiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Third Party Revolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Third Party Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s a good thing for the LP of Penn. Overall, I believe that yesterday&#039;s election was ok for third parties, even though there were some benefits like this and it could have been much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s a good thing for the LP of Penn. Overall, I believe that yesterday&#8217;s election was ok for third parties, even though there were some benefits like this and it could have been much better.</p>
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		<title>By: NewFederalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewFederalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for her yesterday. I am a bit suspicious of a Green turned Libertarian in several areas (like 2nd Amendment rights) but what the hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for her yesterday. I am a bit suspicious of a Green turned Libertarian in several areas (like 2nd Amendment rights) but what the hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, this is a little bit of good news.  I got my mom to vote for Marakay Rogers!  Wish she was elected, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, this is a little bit of good news.  I got my mom to vote for Marakay Rogers!  Wish she was elected, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I straightened out part of my story based on input of Richard Winger, who is the ballot access expert. But, I believe, that the 2% vote does mean something (ie: not that it is only number of registered voters). And, this is a comment at Ballot Access News that explains it:

- Tom McLaughlin Says:
      November 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am

      The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania is currently the only qualified minor political party in Pennsylvania. The current qualification is valid through the 2010 Election cycle. Marakay Rogers vote count should extend the Libertarian Party’s qualification through the 2011 Election Cycle. Under the current Pennsylvania Election Code Minor Political Party status still requires party candidates to collect the same number of signatures as indpendent and political body for ballot access, but it does require the state to print the party name as a choice on the Voter Rgistration Forms and allows the party to name its candidate in an Special Election without petitioning. This was how Marakay Rogers gained ballot access in this Special Election for Superior Court Justice. - 

I stand by for corrections by Richard Winger here, or maybe I will get an e-mail to him begging for clarity.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I straightened out part of my story based on input of Richard Winger, who is the ballot access expert. But, I believe, that the 2% vote does mean something (ie: not that it is only number of registered voters). And, this is a comment at Ballot Access News that explains it:</p>
<p>- Tom McLaughlin Says:<br />
      November 4th, 2009 at 8:26 am</p>
<p>      The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania is currently the only qualified minor political party in Pennsylvania. The current qualification is valid through the 2010 Election cycle. Marakay Rogers vote count should extend the Libertarian Party’s qualification through the 2011 Election Cycle. Under the current Pennsylvania Election Code Minor Political Party status still requires party candidates to collect the same number of signatures as indpendent and political body for ballot access, but it does require the state to print the party name as a choice on the Voter Rgistration Forms and allows the party to name its candidate in an Special Election without petitioning. This was how Marakay Rogers gained ballot access in this Special Election for Superior Court Justice. &#8211; </p>
<p>I stand by for corrections by Richard Winger here, or maybe I will get an e-mail to him begging for clarity.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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