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	<title>Comments on: LP Monday Message: Libertarian candidates on November 2009 ballot</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122419</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, spinmeister, media meister. I say with you my media guy &amp; Skyler my campaign manager guy, all we would need to win the presidency would be a libertarian vp gal. Even Root lover lg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, spinmeister, media meister. I say with you my media guy &amp; Skyler my campaign manager guy, all we would need to win the presidency would be a libertarian vp gal. Even Root lover lg.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie, paulie, I did not summon thee by conjuring your name! Begone,  to whence ye came.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie, paulie, I did not summon thee by conjuring your name! Begone,  to whence ye came.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122409</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

You write:

&quot;tk…more…think of the last time the MSM covered an inside-baseball story about a third-party writing a check to a candidate. I can’t think of one instance, can you? &quot;

I can&#039;t think of the last time a third party publicly presented a check to a candidate.

Obviously you&#039;re not going to get a bunch of MSM buzz if a check is mailed, deposited, logged and its only public mention is a line in the campaign finance reports.

If you want MSM coverage, you make the check a four-foot sweepstakes-type monster, you present it in a public place and with as much fanfare as you can manage (and for a couple hundred dollars you can manage more than you think), and you announce to the press that you&#039;ll be doing so, with some background that saves them work on finding the &quot;angle.&quot;

It&#039;s not the check, or the amount of the check, that&#039;s the news. It&#039;s the public presentation of it with fanfare,  and the symmetry between it and bigger checks from major parties to their candidates, and the fact that you&#039;re making it EASY for the MSM to turn it into a story.

Would the MSM coverage be of sufficient quality and quantity to be worth the $5,000 investment (plus probably $2-300 in event costs)? I don&#039;t know ... but if you think it would be difficult to get SOME MSM coverage for this kind of thing, you&#039;re high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>You write:</p>
<p>&#8220;tk…more…think of the last time the MSM covered an inside-baseball story about a third-party writing a check to a candidate. I can’t think of one instance, can you? &#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of the last time a third party publicly presented a check to a candidate.</p>
<p>Obviously you&#8217;re not going to get a bunch of MSM buzz if a check is mailed, deposited, logged and its only public mention is a line in the campaign finance reports.</p>
<p>If you want MSM coverage, you make the check a four-foot sweepstakes-type monster, you present it in a public place and with as much fanfare as you can manage (and for a couple hundred dollars you can manage more than you think), and you announce to the press that you&#8217;ll be doing so, with some background that saves them work on finding the &#8220;angle.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the check, or the amount of the check, that&#8217;s the news. It&#8217;s the public presentation of it with fanfare,  and the symmetry between it and bigger checks from major parties to their candidates, and the fact that you&#8217;re making it EASY for the MSM to turn it into a story.</p>
<p>Would the MSM coverage be of sufficient quality and quantity to be worth the $5,000 investment (plus probably $2-300 in event costs)? I don&#8217;t know &#8230; but if you think it would be difficult to get SOME MSM coverage for this kind of thing, you&#8217;re high.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks, sorry, no time to read all the comments but I see Joe Kennedy is discussed here. 

You can help in at least three ways:

1. &lt;b&gt;Donate&lt;/b&gt;

http://joekennedyforsenate.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=84&amp;Itemid=124

or 

Committee to Elect Joe Kennedy to Senate
P.O. Box 368
Needham Heights, MA 02494-0003

2. &lt;b&gt;fundraise&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;25% commission on any money you can raise&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; by phone, email, web ads, or any other methods. Call me at 415-690-6352 for details. Unfortunately I have very little time for/access to internet right now, it&#039;s a lot easier by phone.

3. &lt;b&gt;Gather ballot access signatures&lt;/b&gt;

Currently at $1/signature paid by check on delivery. The price may go up if the fundraising does well, but right now Joe is just trying to recoup the money he borrowed against his house for the bare minimum of signatures. I&#039;m up here getting him signatures now, and we need more petitioners.

Oh yeah....you can also &lt;b&gt;help with publicity&lt;/b&gt; by spreading &lt;b&gt;joekennedyforsenate.com&lt;/b&gt; as widely as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks, sorry, no time to read all the comments but I see Joe Kennedy is discussed here. </p>
<p>You can help in at least three ways:</p>
<p>1. <b>Donate</b></p>
<p><a href="http://joekennedyforsenate.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=84&amp;Itemid=124" rel="nofollow">http://joekennedyforsenate.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=84&amp;Itemid=124</a></p>
<p>or </p>
<p>Committee to Elect Joe Kennedy to Senate<br />
P.O. Box 368<br />
Needham Heights, MA 02494-0003</p>
<p>2. <b>fundraise</b></p>
<p><b><i>25% commission on any money you can raise</i></b> by phone, email, web ads, or any other methods. Call me at 415-690-6352 for details. Unfortunately I have very little time for/access to internet right now, it&#8217;s a lot easier by phone.</p>
<p>3. <b>Gather ballot access signatures</b></p>
<p>Currently at $1/signature paid by check on delivery. The price may go up if the fundraising does well, but right now Joe is just trying to recoup the money he borrowed against his house for the bare minimum of signatures. I&#8217;m up here getting him signatures now, and we need more petitioners.</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230;.you can also <b>help with publicity</b> by spreading <b>joekennedyforsenate.com</b> as widely as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122168</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&amp; Billary voted for the war. Liberal democrat Teddy Kennedy voted against it. So Obama, endorsed by Kennedy, had some credibility against the war. &amp; could possibly win. Either an anti-war black man or pro war white woman would win. The progressives made sure it was the anti-war person who won. So the progressive vote is very powerful. We need a press conference in Washington asap of anyone who supports the PLAS. THEN we need a flood of voter education about it &amp; how they should vote by it. In EVERY voting district. So, first things first. We MUST call a press conference in Washington ASAP! With OR without Libertarian and/or Green party officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&amp; Billary voted for the war. Liberal democrat Teddy Kennedy voted against it. So Obama, endorsed by Kennedy, had some credibility against the war. &amp; could possibly win. Either an anti-war black man or pro war white woman would win. The progressives made sure it was the anti-war person who won. So the progressive vote is very powerful. We need a press conference in Washington asap of anyone who supports the PLAS. THEN we need a flood of voter education about it &amp; how they should vote by it. In EVERY voting district. So, first things first. We MUST call a press conference in Washington ASAP! With OR without Libertarian and/or Green party officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122162</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, soon to be losers-again. Obama won &amp; is president because he coordinated the progressive vote. But since he is not a progressive Iprefer the word in his case -manipulated-the progressive vote. Progressives are disenfranchised, having no party of their own. Last year the big thing was anti-war. Whichever democratic candidate was anti-war AND looked like could win, got the progressive vote. That&#039;s why Kucinich &amp; Gravel didn&#039;t get the progressive vote despite being anti-war. They didn&#039;t look like they would win. That is also what got otherwise counterrevolutionary Ron Paul so much support. He was anti-war right.  Ronulan Paulnuts simply deluded themselves that he could win. I want the war to end so bad &amp; I want Ron Paul to win to end the war so bad therefore he MUST win! But anyone who read The Libertarian Vote knew he could get 13-20%not enough to win a single primary. So Obama made phony noises that he would end the war. &amp; the Progressives for Obama bought it. So the progressive vote about 27% + the liberal vote +the vote black because you are black vote got him over Billary. But NOW Nov. 3, the REAL Progressives can speak up with their vote. Only instead of adding their vote to the fake progressive, they can add their vote to the other real progressives-the libertarians. The progressive vote 27% + The Libertarian Vote 13% =40% which is very competitive to get a plurality victory in a 3 way race, progressive+libertarian 40%, democrat 30%, republican30%. This is The Progressive Libertarian Strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, soon to be losers-again. Obama won &amp; is president because he coordinated the progressive vote. But since he is not a progressive Iprefer the word in his case -manipulated-the progressive vote. Progressives are disenfranchised, having no party of their own. Last year the big thing was anti-war. Whichever democratic candidate was anti-war AND looked like could win, got the progressive vote. That&#8217;s why Kucinich &amp; Gravel didn&#8217;t get the progressive vote despite being anti-war. They didn&#8217;t look like they would win. That is also what got otherwise counterrevolutionary Ron Paul so much support. He was anti-war right.  Ronulan Paulnuts simply deluded themselves that he could win. I want the war to end so bad &amp; I want Ron Paul to win to end the war so bad therefore he MUST win! But anyone who read The Libertarian Vote knew he could get 13-20%not enough to win a single primary. So Obama made phony noises that he would end the war. &amp; the Progressives for Obama bought it. So the progressive vote about 27% + the liberal vote +the vote black because you are black vote got him over Billary. But NOW Nov. 3, the REAL Progressives can speak up with their vote. Only instead of adding their vote to the fake progressive, they can add their vote to the other real progressives-the libertarians. The progressive vote 27% + The Libertarian Vote 13% =40% which is very competitive to get a plurality victory in a 3 way race, progressive+libertarian 40%, democrat 30%, republican30%. This is The Progressive Libertarian Strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: robert capozzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert capozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Announcing the Hissy Fit Strategy pulls in a packed house at the National Press Club.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Announcing the Hissy Fit Strategy pulls in a packed house at the National Press Club.  <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122130</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think MSM WOULD cover a 2 party press conference in Washington announcing a different Strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think MSM WOULD cover a 2 party press conference in Washington announcing a different Strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122118</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if the LNC were to give money to a candidate George didnt like , he&#039;d throw a hissy fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if the LNC were to give money to a candidate George didnt like , he&#8217;d throw a hissy fit.</p>
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		<title>By: robert capozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122116</link>
		<dc:creator>robert capozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tk...more...think of the last time the MSM covered an inside-baseball story about a third-party writing a check to a candidate.  I can&#039;t think of one instance, can you?  Dog bites man: not news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tk&#8230;more&#8230;think of the last time the MSM covered an inside-baseball story about a third-party writing a check to a candidate.  I can&#8217;t think of one instance, can you?  Dog bites man: not news.</p>
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		<title>By: robert capozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/lp-monday-message-libertarian-candidates-on-november-2009-ballot/comment-page-2/#comment-122112</link>
		<dc:creator>robert capozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tk, I would love it if your assessment were the superior one.  As gp&#039;s comment suggest, it&#039;s unlikely to be tested.

My assessment has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with competence, or lack of it.  The greatest flak in the world would not make a small check from the LNC MSM newsworthy, in my judgment.

The Kennedy campaign itself MAY be newsworthy, more as a curiousity like the Stern or Perot efforts at this point.  Of course, JK may be the greatest LP candidate of all time, which would be wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tk, I would love it if your assessment were the superior one.  As gp&#8217;s comment suggest, it&#8217;s unlikely to be tested.</p>
<p>My assessment has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with competence, or lack of it.  The greatest flak in the world would not make a small check from the LNC MSM newsworthy, in my judgment.</p>
<p>The Kennedy campaign itself MAY be newsworthy, more as a curiousity like the Stern or Perot efforts at this point.  Of course, JK may be the greatest LP candidate of all time, which would be wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, very good. But in this case George seems to be following Tom&#039;s obsession with exploiting name recognition, so Joe Kennedy  first on top. Followed by DefendsLiberty.com. Then For Senate-For Freedom, then 4th line Vote Libertarian. Start out with Vote Libertarian &amp; most attention evaporates. As another commenter said, the Libertarian l-word, was for him an instant turn off. Until recently on his own volition coming to IPR &amp; realizing what he had been doing for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, very good. But in this case George seems to be following Tom&#8217;s obsession with exploiting name recognition, so Joe Kennedy  first on top. Followed by DefendsLiberty.com. Then For Senate-For Freedom, then 4th line Vote Libertarian. Start out with Vote Libertarian &amp; most attention evaporates. As another commenter said, the Libertarian l-word, was for him an instant turn off. Until recently on his own volition coming to IPR &amp; realizing what he had been doing for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom &amp; George, I beg your pardon gentlemen, but I have dibs on Wes this week for the Nov.3 elections. For the PLAS press conference in Washington.  January special election is later. Now, as soon as he flubs Nov. 3, good luck with him for January in Massachusetts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &amp; George, I beg your pardon gentlemen, but I have dibs on Wes this week for the Nov.3 elections. For the PLAS press conference in Washington.  January special election is later. Now, as soon as he flubs Nov. 3, good luck with him for January in Massachusetts.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The http and the www are always a waste of space when disclosing a URL.  Also, the URL should be printed in CamelCase for readability.  And ideally, the domain name should be chosen to do double-duty in name and URL disclosure.  So standardized signage could be something like:

&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center; margin-top:10px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 35px;&quot;&gt;Vote Libertarian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center; margin-top:10px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 25px;&quot;&gt;For Senate - For Freedom&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center; margin-top:15px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 47px;&quot;&gt;Joe&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 47px;&quot;&gt;Kennedy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: center; margin-top:10px; margin-bottom:10px;&quot;&gt;
&lt;span style=&quot;color: red;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:32px;&quot;&gt;DefendsLiberty.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;


Even if the voter doesn&#039;t notice that the name is the first part of the URL, ip2geo info can be used to show the voter all her nearby Libertarian candidates, thus reinforcing the whole the slate.  This also lets LP candidates avoid spending money on domain names, because DefendsLiberty.com is already paid for and subdomains cost nothing.  It also lets candidates re-use materials when they run for the same office again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The http and the www are always a waste of space when disclosing a URL.  Also, the URL should be printed in CamelCase for readability.  And ideally, the domain name should be chosen to do double-duty in name and URL disclosure.  So standardized signage could be something like:</p>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-top:10px;">
<b><span style="font-size: 35px;">Vote Libertarian</span></b>
</div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-top:10px;">
<span style="font-size: 25px;">For Senate &#8211; For Freedom</span>
</div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-top:15px;">
<span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size: 47px;">Joe</span> <span style="font-size: 47px;">Kennedy.</span></span>
</div>
<div style="text-align: center; margin-top:10px; margin-bottom:10px;">
<span style="color: red;"><span style="font-size:32px;">DefendsLiberty.com</span></span>
</div>
<p>Even if the voter doesn&#8217;t notice that the name is the first part of the URL, ip2geo info can be used to show the voter all her nearby Libertarian candidates, thus reinforcing the whole the slate.  This also lets LP candidates avoid spending money on domain names, because DefendsLiberty.com is already paid for and subdomains cost nothing.  It also lets candidates re-use materials when they run for the same office again.</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@62

Actually, it could be an $18,000 check -- special rules for Senate candidates -- but an examination of LNC finances suggest $18 is more like it.

The Lawn sign design issue is a challenge.  name race and a couple words is all people read.  Since Kennedy, much more so than most of the candidates noted above -- has an active, effective web site, the URL is probably relatively effective to distribute.  A useful question is whether it is worthwhile to append the http://www.   on the front.</description>
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<p>Actually, it could be an $18,000 check &#8212; special rules for Senate candidates &#8212; but an examination of LNC finances suggest $18 is more like it.</p>
<p>The Lawn sign design issue is a challenge.  name race and a couple words is all people read.  Since Kennedy, much more so than most of the candidates noted above &#8212; has an active, effective web site, the URL is probably relatively effective to distribute.  A useful question is whether it is worthwhile to append the <a href="http://www" rel="nofollow">http://www</a>.   on the front.</p>
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