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	<title>Comments on: AP: &#8216;Third party challenges in NJ, NY are warning sign&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Don Lake, late at night</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Lake, late at night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about 
&#039;Non Dems/ non GOP&#039;
&#039;Loyal Opposition&#039;
&#039;Anti Duopoly Establishment&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about<br />
&#8216;Non Dems/ non GOP&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Loyal Opposition&#8217;<br />
&#8216;Anti Duopoly Establishment&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20:  &quot;I’m using third party/independent interchangeably.&quot;

OK, but they are different animals (politically anyway).  There are 12 candidates for NJ governor.  Excluding the top three the rest are divided between independents and alternative party candidates.  I predict that the indies (excluding Daggett) will get more votes than the partisans.

I think indies tend to do better because they are not bound by a rigid ideology or restrictive platform.  They have more flexibility to campaign and even change their policies if needed.  They are not hamstrung by party activists and ideological purists.

I haven&#039;t seen Daggett&#039;s campaign reports but I did look at NJLP candidate Murray Sabrin&#039;s in 1997 and nearly half of Murray&#039;s expenditures were for administrative overhead, consultant fees and managerial expenses.  I&#039;ll bet Daggett&#039;s overhead is alot less than Sabrin because he doesn&#039;t have to pay or be accountable to party regulars to keep them happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20:  &#8220;I’m using third party/independent interchangeably.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, but they are different animals (politically anyway).  There are 12 candidates for NJ governor.  Excluding the top three the rest are divided between independents and alternative party candidates.  I predict that the indies (excluding Daggett) will get more votes than the partisans.</p>
<p>I think indies tend to do better because they are not bound by a rigid ideology or restrictive platform.  They have more flexibility to campaign and even change their policies if needed.  They are not hamstrung by party activists and ideological purists.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen Daggett&#8217;s campaign reports but I did look at NJLP candidate Murray Sabrin&#8217;s in 1997 and nearly half of Murray&#8217;s expenditures were for administrative overhead, consultant fees and managerial expenses.  I&#8217;ll bet Daggett&#8217;s overhead is alot less than Sabrin because he doesn&#8217;t have to pay or be accountable to party regulars to keep them happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m using third party/independent interchangeably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using third party/independent interchangeably.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/10/ap-third-party-challenges-in-nj-ny-are-warning-sign/comment-page-1/#comment-124376</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18:  &quot;Keep the third party movement alive in NJ after the election (whether Daggett wins or not)!&quot;

What &quot;third party movement&quot;?  Daggett is an independent candidate and has nothing to do with any political party.  That&#039;s been part of his strength is that he appeals across the political spectrum since he is not identified with any party ideology.

I voted for Daggett by mail partly because he isn&#039;t tied to any party ideology or platform.

It&#039;s too bad that the latest polls have Daggett losing support because of &quot;wasted vote syndrome&quot;  I think the only way an independent candidate can win in New Jersey is name recognition/celebrity status and/or lots of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18:  &#8220;Keep the third party movement alive in NJ after the election (whether Daggett wins or not)!&#8221;</p>
<p>What &#8220;third party movement&#8221;?  Daggett is an independent candidate and has nothing to do with any political party.  That&#8217;s been part of his strength is that he appeals across the political spectrum since he is not identified with any party ideology.</p>
<p>I voted for Daggett by mail partly because he isn&#8217;t tied to any party ideology or platform.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad that the latest polls have Daggett losing support because of &#8220;wasted vote syndrome&#8221;  I think the only way an independent candidate can win in New Jersey is name recognition/celebrity status and/or lots of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the third party movement alive in NJ after the election (whether Daggett wins or not)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the third party movement alive in NJ after the election (whether Daggett wins or not)!</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck, Dennis!</description>
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		<title>By: DENNIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DENNIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a volunteer on Daggett&#039;s campaign, I can say: 
A.) He is a fantastic guy
B.) Most of the supporters I have met have been Democrats who hate Corzine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a volunteer on Daggett&#8217;s campaign, I can say:<br />
A.) He is a fantastic guy<br />
B.) Most of the supporters I have met have been Democrats who hate Corzine</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melty@13:  &quot;And you ask, “How long has he been a member of the Libertarian Party? . . . How many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?” He’s running as an independent,&quot;

George Phillies is one of the leaders of the Massachusetts Libertarian Party so I expect his candidate will have that Party&#039;s endorsement if not the Party line.  Of course, If I&#039;m wrong, then some other candidate will run as the &quot;Libertarian&quot; candidate and then there will be two libertarian candidates.

Whether he&#039;s independent, libertarian, conservative, socialist, Republican or Democrat doesn&#039;t really matter as far as I&#039;m concerned.  It&#039;s still disrespectful and sleazy to exploit the death of Senator Ted Kennedy and run for his seat using the same name as his almost equally famous nephew who, had he chosen to run, would have won easily and was a hundred times more qualified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melty@13:  &#8220;And you ask, “How long has he been a member of the Libertarian Party? . . . How many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?” He’s running as an independent,&#8221;</p>
<p>George Phillies is one of the leaders of the Massachusetts Libertarian Party so I expect his candidate will have that Party&#8217;s endorsement if not the Party line.  Of course, If I&#8217;m wrong, then some other candidate will run as the &#8220;Libertarian&#8221; candidate and then there will be two libertarian candidates.</p>
<p>Whether he&#8217;s independent, libertarian, conservative, socialist, Republican or Democrat doesn&#8217;t really matter as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  It&#8217;s still disrespectful and sleazy to exploit the death of Senator Ted Kennedy and run for his seat using the same name as his almost equally famous nephew who, had he chosen to run, would have won easily and was a hundred times more qualified.</p>
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		<title>By: Melty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think libertarian girl was dead on with her early warning on you, Drek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think libertarian girl was dead on with her early warning on you, Drek.</p>
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		<title>By: Melty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solomon. Don&#039;t be dissing Joe Kennedy over his name. He takes good stances and presents himself well. He&#039;s a damn good candidate. His name in no way detracts from his validity.
And you ask, &quot;How long has he been a member of the Libertarian Party? . . . How many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?&quot; He&#039;s running as an independent, fool? You Drek, are a sleezy publicity stunt. At this point, I have no respect for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solomon. Don&#8217;t be dissing Joe Kennedy over his name. He takes good stances and presents himself well. He&#8217;s a damn good candidate. His name in no way detracts from his validity.<br />
And you ask, &#8220;How long has he been a member of the Libertarian Party? . . . How many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?&#8221; He&#8217;s running as an independent, fool? You Drek, are a sleezy publicity stunt. At this point, I have no respect for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an update.  A poll just released by Monmouth University/Gannett Newspapers has Christie with a one point lead but Daggett has dropped from 14 two weeks ago to 8 percent now.  Evidently moderate independents and even a few republicans who were toying with Daggett are now going back to Christie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an update.  A poll just released by Monmouth University/Gannett Newspapers has Christie with a one point lead but Daggett has dropped from 14 two weeks ago to 8 percent now.  Evidently moderate independents and even a few republicans who were toying with Daggett are now going back to Christie.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@8:  &quot;So if you have the same last name as a nanny-state politician in your state, you’re not allowed to run for office?&quot;

Anyone is &quot;allowed&quot; to run for office, and make a complete fool of themselves, provided they meet the legal requirements.

I&#039;m also allowed to call them a fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@8:  &#8220;So if you have the same last name as a nanny-state politician in your state, you’re not allowed to run for office?&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyone is &#8220;allowed&#8221; to run for office, and make a complete fool of themselves, provided they meet the legal requirements.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also allowed to call them a fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Drek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Drek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, Joe Kennedy is running with the name with which he was born. &quot;

Baloney.  It may be the name he was born with, but by any other name I doubt very much he would be in this race.  Besides, how long has he been a member of the LP, and how many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?

This is nothing more than a sleazy publicity stunt which will grab some cheap headlines and then he, like the rest of the LP, will be forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, Joe Kennedy is running with the name with which he was born. &#8221;</p>
<p>Baloney.  It may be the name he was born with, but by any other name I doubt very much he would be in this race.  Besides, how long has he been a member of the LP, and how many times has he run for office before as a Libertarian?</p>
<p>This is nothing more than a sleazy publicity stunt which will grab some cheap headlines and then he, like the rest of the LP, will be forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6

No one gets to choose the name he was born with, though some may wonder if you are posting under your actual name, or just claiming the wisdom of Solomon.  However, Joe Kennedy is running with the name with which he was born.  It is a reasonably common name.</description>
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<p>No one gets to choose the name he was born with, though some may wonder if you are posting under your actual name, or just claiming the wisdom of Solomon.  However, Joe Kennedy is running with the name with which he was born.  It is a reasonably common name.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you have the same last name as a nanny-state politician in your state, you&#039;re not allowed to run for office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you have the same last name as a nanny-state politician in your state, you&#8217;re not allowed to run for office?</p>
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