40 responses so far ↓

• 1 paulie // Sep 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm

  Let me know if there are any problems with the video or audio clip, whichever it is. Once again I have no way to play it myself.

• 2 Third Party Revolution // Sep 18, 2009 at 5:52 pm

  There are no problems for me.

• 3 Third Party Revolution // Sep 18, 2009 at 7:19 pm

  BTW, whatever happened to the proposed Savage Nation Party?

• 4 Cody Quirk // Sep 18, 2009 at 8:47 pm

  Savage Nation eh? I bet the left-wing & anarchist factions in the LP would love that.

• 5 Cody Quirk Loves Cock // Sep 19, 2009 at 4:11 am

  Michael Savage is one of the closest things the U.S. has to a fascist leader. He literally wanted to call his party the ‘Nationalist Party’. Scary.

• 6 Tom Blanton // Sep 19, 2009 at 10:00 am

  Where is Root going to appear next? From Beck to Savage, what’s left?

  The KKK Radio Hour? The Border Vigilante Variety Show? How about a stand-up routine on the Drag ‘Em Behind The Truck Comedy Hour?

  But seriously folks, it sure is good seeing the energetic and dynamic teeth of Root doing outreach to all the right people. With Root out there and libertarian Glenn Beck as the face of post-modern libertarianism, the New LP is certain to start winning elections.

  Since Savage was recently fired by his flagship station in San Francisco, is he now doing his show live from beer halls in Bakersfield?

• 7 libertariangirl // Sep 19, 2009 at 10:12 am

  KKK Blanton?
  Wayne Root is not a racist , in fact he’s jewish although i think I heard somewhere he converted to Christianity .
  However , even being a former jew , to suggest he’d have anything to do with a racist , nazi , hatefilled org like the KKK is ignorant and offensive.

• 8 Solomon Drek // Sep 19, 2009 at 2:30 pm

  libertariangirl@7: “Wayne Root is not a racist , in fact he’s jewish”

  So Jews can’t be racists? Evidently you don’t know any Israeli Arabs subject to second-class citizenship status and other restrictions on their freedom. And you probably haven’t heard of Meir Kahane whose Kach political party was outlawed by the Israeli government for promoting the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel.

  I’m not endorsing the UN resolution which passed thirty years ago which declared Zionism to be a “racist” movement. However one has to be really naive or ignorant to believe that there are not at least some racist elements within the Zionist movement.

  Oh, and BTW, Michael Savage is also Jewish.

• 9 Citizens For A Better Veterans Home // Sep 19, 2009 at 2:54 pm

  Jewish folk being human [racist ???????] They are being held to a higher standard than average and they [North American proponent of the current Israeli government] are blowing a century of good will with the unethical behavior of Israel First anti American thugs!

  Don Lake, first hand knowledge via the decomposing reform movement ……….

• 10 George Phillies // Sep 19, 2009 at 8:29 pm

  @7
  Your assertion about ‘appearing on’, when applied to someone who appears on Glenn Beck and Michael Savage, seems to face some challenges.
  George

• 11 libertariangirl // Sep 19, 2009 at 8:46 pm

  saying KKK , when comparing someone is TRYING to insight offense and intentionally piss off someone.
  every race and every nation , im sure has been racist or offensive and evil , do I think Jews can be racist ? sure , because jews are people and people can be racist no matter where their from. My objection to the KKK statement is that , having been Jewish , why would he lock step with white power folk who usually like Nazi assholes , who we all know dont like jews. It dont make sense. and its fucking stupid
  Wayne is nothing like the people from the KKK . Stop saying mean and intentionally offensive things .

  george if your talking to me , I dont understand what your saying.

• 12 Tom Blanton // Sep 19, 2009 at 10:09 pm

  libertariangirl – I never said Root was a racist. Now Beck may be entertaining to those who are conservative (even if they call themselves libertarian) warmongers and claim they are for limited government, but Savage is a whole other demon who spews bigoted venom and represents the underbelly of red-state fascism.

  There aren’t many politicians that are clueless enough to go on the air with Savage, even if they do have a book for sale.

  Perhaps you should ask Mr. Root why he would appear on Savage Nation (the actual name of his show). Maybe Brian Holtz will show up and defend Savage’s libertarian credentials so that Root supporters will feel comfortable.

  In my opinion, Mr. Root has a rather disturbing view of Islam. His simplistic views of the war on terror and the causes of terrorism makes the most arrogant neocon seem almost reasonable.

  But I can certainly see why Beck and Savage might think Root is their kind of guy.

  SEE:

  http://www.millionairerepublican.com/blog/index.php?m=07&y=07&entry=entry070723-081824

• 13 Brian Holtz // Sep 19, 2009 at 11:11 pm

  I was scared when I heard that Root would be appearing regularly on the Savage show. I have no reason to think that Savage even leans libertarian. I listened to the recording above, and I think Root used very well the air time that Savage apparently just handed over to him. There was essentially no interaction between Savage and Root at all. It was like an infomercial for Root’s critique of government education. If this is typical of Root’s appearances on Savage, then my fears were totally misplaced.

• 14 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 12:22 am

  I’m sure Savage Nation fans will be a welcomed addition to the New Libertaryan Party.

  I’m thinking somebody should call Barnum & Bailey to see if they have any really big used tents available. It might not be a bad idea to pick up some really big used shoes and a few extra red noses too.

• 15 libertariangirl // Sep 20, 2009 at 1:50 am

  so in conclusion, we all agree Savage is an asshole . But he does have a nationally syndicated show , and if one is seeking publicity , then appearing on his show sees prudent.

• 16 Robert Capozzi // Sep 20, 2009 at 10:13 am

  If Root appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show, would that be a problem?

• 17 libertariangirl // Sep 20, 2009 at 10:36 am

  nope , its only a problem when its a personality they dont like.

  Id like to see him try and do Colbert. We need to redeem ourselves after Barrs appearance .

• 18 Thomas L. Knapp // Sep 20, 2009 at 11:01 am

  Bob,

  You write:

  “If Root appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show, would that be a problem?”

  I guess that depends on what you mean by “problem.”

  A better comparison would be between two shows that are at least nominally “mainstream,” such as Maddow and O’Reilly.

  In appearing on either of those shows, someone like Root gains credibility if he agrees with the host on the things they agree on and makes a civil case for his position where they disagree.

  That’s a win-win proposition, with the bigger win being for the minor political figure who’s earning some credibility and getting “mainstream in points” if he does well.

  There’s really no up side to appearing on Savage. Even a minor political figure like Root loses credibility and damages his own reputation — and his party’s — on the deal.

  In the 2008 election cycle McCain, Giuliani and Romney all refused to appear on Savage’s show when invited. They didn’t do so because he lacked an audience. They did so because they knew that associating themselves with Savage’s expressed views (which may or may not be his real ones) would be the end of their presidential aspirations.

• 19 Michael Seebeck // Sep 20, 2009 at 11:03 am

  Remember folks, he did do Thom Hartmann (Air America) a while back. Besides, IIRC, the slot he gets on Savage is more commentaryish than discussion or call-in anyway.

  However, even though Savage is a maniac, please be fair and judge by message as well, not just by association.

• 20 libertariangirl // Sep 20, 2009 at 11:25 am

  TK_n the 2008 election cycle McCain, Giuliani and Romney all refused to appear on Savage’s show when invited

  me __ really , I did not know that. interesting

• 21 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 11:56 am

  If Rachel Maddow repeatedly claimed to be a libertarian or if she told a heterosexual man that he should get aids and die, I just might have a problem with the Libertarian brand being associated with her. But she hasn’t been fired from MSNBC for making outrageous comments like Savage was.

  “MSNBC on Monday fired Michael Savage for anti-gay comments.
  The popular radio talk show host who did a weekend TV show for the cable channel referred to an unidentified caller to his show Saturday as a “sodomite” and said he should “get AIDS and die.”

  http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-07-talk-host-fired_x.htm

• 22 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 12:32 pm

  Just wait until the fans of Beck and Savage start sending in their $25 and showing up at your local LP meetings.

  I hope these libertarians that can’t tell the difference between disgruntled conservatives and libertarians will enjoy discussing things like sodomite marriage, rounding up wetbacks, preserving America’s culture, sub-human Muslim taxi cab drivers imposing Sharia Law on their passengers, communists taking the Christ out of Christmas, how many nukes it will take to turn the Mideast into a glass parking lot, and all the other lunatic things these idiots like to get hysterical about.

  And old Bob here thinks I am an intimidating angrytarian. Wait until you meet the new converts to the New Libertaryan Party.

  Maybe if some libertarians can manage to recruit a few liberals, there will even be some really exciting fistfights.

  It just might be a good idea for the LP to recruit libertarians, but that idea seems to have been rejected a long time ago.

• 23 George Phillies // Sep 20, 2009 at 1:02 pm

  Tom Blanton hits the nail square on the head here.

  Mr. Savage is total outside the American mainstream, and approaches falling off the right wing of the world. Associating Libertarianism with Mr Savage does great damage to our party.

• 24 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 2:40 pm

  Wayne Root, Michael Savage and Glenn Beck are not 100% pure anarchist libertarians. We simply can’t allow that in this party! We have to maintain political correctness and keep our party small!

• 25 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 2:47 pm

  Comrade Blanton is right….

  “conservatives and libertarians will enjoy discussing things like sodomite marriage, rounding up wetbacks, preserving America’s culture, sub-human Muslim taxi cab drivers imposing Sharia Law on their passengers, communists taking the Christ out of Christmas, how many nukes it will take to turn the Mideast into a glass parking lot, and all the other lunatic things”

  Real libertarians do not allow our party to be polluted by allowing politically incorrect topics such as these to be discussed. We think any libertarian who holds politically incorrect views on these issues should be diagnosed as a lunatic and treated in a psychiatric institution, just as our left wing comrades in the USSR did.

  Thanks, comrade Blanton, for standing up for the cause of political correctness and squashing dissident thought in the Libertarian Party!

• 26 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 2:53 pm

  All prospective new comrades will be asked: Are you now or have you ever been a Republican?

• 27 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 3:20 pm

  Thanks Anarcho, you make my point. When lunatic things are no longer deemed lunatic things by “libertarians” such as yourself, the idea of libertarianism morphs into right-wing extremism. There’s something called the GOP for those folks.

  The more the LP has embraced conservatives, the smaller the party has gotten. This is simply a fact, not an opinion. Count the numbers. The reason being is that actual libertarians leave in frustration because the LP no longer represents their ideas.

  Don’t any LP members wonder why there is so little representation in the LP of people affiliated with other libertarian organizations? Most of the other libertarian organizations rarely mention the LP and when they do, it isn’t always nice.

  Anarcho, you probably enjoy a good steak. Have you considered joining a vegan group?

• 28 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm

  “Wayne Root, Michael Savage and Glenn Beck are not 100% pure anarchist libertarians. We simply can’t allow that in this party! We have to maintain political correctness and keep our party small!”

  After reading that again, I think I will be needing psychiatric treatment. At minimum, I feel the need to self-medicate. Totally unfucking believable.

  I’m hoping Anarcho is joking.

• 29 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 3:49 pm

  Mr. Blanton,

  I think the problem may have started when we started allowing Big Tent sellouts like Murray Rothbard into the ranks of our comrades…

  http://www.amazon.com/review/R2UPSPLI522A28

  ” On each page, Rothbard comes off as flippant, erudite, jovial and politically sophisticated — in other words, not very libertarian. He courageously praises David Duke, Philippe Rushton, and The Bell Curve; sides with Dan Quayle over his remarks regarding the decision of TV star Murphy Brown to conceive her child out of wedlock….”

  Clearly, Rothbard was not a true libertarian.

  The Libertarian Party also went downhill noticeably when it sold out by nominating pro-war, anti-anarchist John Hospers for president in 1972.

  We must restore the Party to the ideologically pure, politically correct stances it held before these impostors took over.

• 30 Solomon Drek // Sep 20, 2009 at 3:52 pm

  You would think that after the Barr/Root disaster of sacrificing “purity” for expedience the LP would go back to being the “Party of Principle”.

  I disagree that the LP is turning into “Republican-Extreme”. Rather it is simply morphing into another version of the Constitution Party whose presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin, was endorsed by Ron Paul.

  I predict Wayne Root will do to the LP what Pat Buchanan did to Ross Perot’s Reform Party. He’ll bring paleo-cons into the LP who, “. . .enjoy discussing things like sodomite marriage, rounding up wetbacks, preserving America’s culture, sub-human Muslim taxi cab drivers imposing Sharia Law on their passengers, communists taking the Christ out of Christmas, how many nukes it will take to turn the Mideast into a glass parking lot, and all the other lunatic things these idiots like to get hysterical about.”

  I also predict Wayne Root won’t do any better in 2012 than the “Buchanan Brigades” and “Peasants with Pitchforks” did in 2000.

• 31 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm

  “Thanks Anarcho, you make my point. When lunatic things are no longer deemed lunatic things by “libertarians” such as yourself, the idea of libertarianism morphs into right-wing extremism. There’s something called the GOP for those folks.”

  Tom, I couldn’t agree with you more!

  People like John Hospers, Murray Rothbard, Wayne Root, Charles Murray, Bob Barr, David Duke, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck and others with their impure libertarianism and political incorrect views must be kept from expanding the party. We must stick with the unadulterated anarchist positions we held before 1972. All these sellouts and anyone who agrees with them belong in the GOP! PURGE!

• 32 paulie // Sep 20, 2009 at 4:42 pm

  Drek,

  I disagree that the LP is turning into “Republican-Extreme”. Rather it is simply morphing into another version of the Constitution Party whose presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin, was endorsed by Ron Paul.

  I predict Wayne Root will do to the LP what Pat Buchanan did to Ross Perot’s Reform Party. He’ll bring paleo-cons into the LP who, “. . .enjoy discussing things like sodomite marriage, rounding up wetbacks, preserving America’s culture, sub-human Muslim taxi cab drivers imposing Sharia Law on their passengers, communists taking the Christ out of Christmas, how many nukes it will take to turn the Mideast into a glass parking lot, and all the other lunatic things these idiots like to get hysterical about.”

  Chuck Baldwin and paleocons are antiwar. “Sub-human Muslims”? “Turning the middle east into a parking lot”? That sounds like neocons, not paleocons.

• 33 Tom Blanton // Sep 20, 2009 at 4:50 pm

  Anarcho, you should get your own radio talk show. You do such a great job of distorting truth in a sarcastic manner. You also are a great mind reader.

  For example, how in the world did you know that I worship Rothbard. That’s me being sarcastic there.

  There are so many Rothbards, I can’t keep track of them all. I’m guessing you once worshipped Rothbard, but discovered he was merely a mortal at some point. That happens when you deify people who make a living off of people deifying them. Sort of like Wayne Root.

  I never said the “P” word. Purge. I only pointed out the idiocy in recruiting from the ranks of Savage Nation. But, maybe I’m wrong. If you think folks like David Duke are so wonderful, maybe Savage Nation is exactly where you can meet your future comrades.

  You might also meet some nice freedom loving folks at a cross-burning/covered dish event.

• 34 AnarchoMcCarthyist // Sep 20, 2009 at 5:31 pm

  Comrade Blanton,

  I don’t understand this last comment of yours. All I am doing is agreeing with you that true, pure anarchists should not associate with the fatally compromised Libertarian Party, and that impure libertarians belong in the GOP instead.

  To read your comment #33, you would think that there was some sort of disagreement between our positions.

  Like you, I think the Libertarian Party should be as small as possible, and ideally it would not exist at all.

  Don’t you see? We’re on the same side!

• 35 Big Tent Bozo // Sep 20, 2009 at 8:22 pm

  I think our tent should be big enough for everyone, as long as they are a right wing conservative.

• 36 Ron Wallace // Sep 20, 2009 at 9:29 pm

  No party rejects a vote, so “Big Tent” should imply party leadership that holds firmly to their core principles rather than to please everyone.

  There can be a big tent – a winning coalition – whose “leaders” stand firmly on principle and, even if they “offend” a segment, it need not be fatal. For example: many Pro-Lifers voted for Obama … many Pro-Deathers went for Reagan, yet they still had a home under the Big GOP Tent. The GOP won because they stuck to principle; however, if Ronald Reagan were a compromiser, it’d taken the wind out of their sails … as it did with McCain. That’s a loser.

  Even when people disagree with you, they respect the “true believers”, BECAUSE they are consistent … thus predictable and, frankly, admirable for having the cajones to hang tough.

  Moreover, The People are strongly allergic to the invertebrate babbling class in Washington. The firm & fearless voice of defiant men of principle would be refreshing, even to many libs.

• 37 Citizens For A Better Veterans Home // Sep 20, 2009 at 9:32 pm

  Big Tent Bozo: so how is the dead and dying GOP doing ?????????

• 38 Big Tent Bozo // Sep 20, 2009 at 9:34 pm

  Busy getting new business cards and letterhead.

• 39 Big Tent Bozo // Sep 20, 2009 at 9:39 pm

  Mr. Wallace

  Very passionate, although I have no idea what you said.

• 40 Big Tent Bozo // Sep 21, 2009 at 4:40 pm

  What about all the good Michael Savage/Sonny Landham/Eric Dondero Libertarians out there? What, do you people want to kick them out of our tent?

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