Comments on: Tom Knapp: ‘Consciences of the Critics’ http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/ Covering America's third parties and independent candidates since May 2008 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:59:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Mike Renzulli reviews Wayne Root’s Conscience of a Libertarian | Independent Political Report http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-106673 Mike Renzulli reviews Wayne Root’s Conscience of a Libertarian | Independent Political Report Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:47:39 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-106673 [...] reviews include Judge Andrew Napolitano, Tom Knapp (fuller review forthcoming), CLS, John Hospers, Steve Kubby, Peter Orvetti, George Phillies, Eric [...] [...] reviews include Judge Andrew Napolitano, Tom Knapp (fuller review forthcoming), CLS, John Hospers, Steve Kubby, Peter Orvetti, George Phillies, Eric [...]

]]> By: Jim Davidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101288 Jim Davidson Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:39:06 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101288 What kind of libertarian is bothered by freedom of choice in voting and freedom of expression in discussing that vote? I don't think Bruce Cohen is a libertarian. He seems like a dogmatic, small-minded, authoritarian jerk. What kind of libertarian is bothered by freedom of choice in voting and freedom of expression in discussing that vote? I don’t think Bruce Cohen is a libertarian. He seems like a dogmatic, small-minded, authoritarian jerk.

]]> By: The New New New New Reform Movement [?????????] http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101212 The New New New New Reform Movement [?????????] Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:27:48 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101212 Oh, Orange County Bruce Cohen, of bomb the non combat USS Liberty by the fascist thugs of Israel! This guy is the master of selective memory and deflective response. Proceed at your own risk! ----- Don Lake, fighting anti American non patriots in the Lib, reform, and Green universes ....... Oh, Orange County Bruce Cohen, of bomb the non combat USS Liberty by the fascist thugs of Israel!

This guy is the master of selective memory and deflective response. Proceed at your own risk!

—– Don Lake, fighting anti American non patriots in the Lib, reform, and Green universes …….

]]> By: The New New New New Reform Movement [?????????] http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101211 The New New New New Reform Movement [?????????] Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:22:38 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101211 As I told Gail's little coastal troop, DO NOT ASSUME, DO NOT ASSUME! The East Coast geniuses and vacationing law students of P2004 just assumed that the ballot access effort [read: federal Presidential electors, like John Coffey and myself] would suffice for the write in effort, when, after they blew the ballet access movement. No, no, no, ya gotta start all over again. [Citizens For a Better Veterans Home basically saved Uncle Ralph's bacon on that issue!] Glad Ms Lightfoot's folks did not drop the write in ball ---- as they are want to do ......... As I told Gail’s little coastal troop, DO NOT ASSUME, DO NOT ASSUME! The East Coast geniuses and vacationing law students of P2004 just assumed that the ballot access effort [read: federal Presidential electors, like John Coffey and myself] would suffice for the write in effort, when, after they blew the ballet access movement.

No, no, no, ya gotta start all over again. [Citizens For a Better Veterans Home basically saved Uncle Ralph's bacon on that issue!] Glad Ms Lightfoot’s folks did not drop the write in ball —- as they are want to do ………

]]> By: Jeremy Young http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101133 Jeremy Young Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:02:55 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101133 Tom K, yep, that was me. Thanks for the kind words. No need to put it up at PH (where I'm not editor any more, anyway) -- I just really want to know what you think of the book. Tom K, yep, that was me. Thanks for the kind words. No need to put it up at PH (where I’m not editor any more, anyway) — I just really want to know what you think of the book.

]]> By: Thomas M. Sipos http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101130 Thomas M. Sipos Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:53:32 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101130 Since Bruce Cohen raises the subject of what I wrote about Ron Paul in <i>California Freedom</i>, it's only proper that people have the opportunity to see the issue for themselves, rather than rely on second-hand reports from Bruce or myself. Here it is (my remarks about Paul's candidacy on page 2): http://www.ca.lp.org/cf/CF-200812.pdf Since Bruce Cohen raises the subject of what I wrote about Ron Paul in California Freedom, it’s only proper that people have the opportunity to see the issue for themselves, rather than rely on second-hand reports from Bruce or myself.

Here it is (my remarks about Paul’s candidacy on page 2): http://www.ca.lp.org/cf/CF-200812.pdf

]]> By: Thomas M. Sipos http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101125 Thomas M. Sipos Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:38:35 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101125 BTW, Bruce, get this straight -- I did not "promote" Ron Paul's candidacy in <i>California Freedom.</i> I only wrote about my (and others) voting for Paul <i>after</i> the election, so as not to use an LPC organ to promote an opposing candidate. I did promote Paul's candidacy before the election on my personal blog, but that's mine to do with as I please. I did run articles by Paul after the election. As Bruce Cohen should know, Paul remains very popular in the LPC. I've seen many Ron Paul Revolution t-shirts and caps at the various Los Angeles libertarian supper clubs. If anyone were to purge the LPC of Paul fans, supporters, and voters, the LPC would be far smaller than it is today. BTW, Bruce, get this straight — I did not “promote” Ron Paul’s candidacy in California Freedom.

I only wrote about my (and others) voting for Paul after the election, so as not to use an LPC organ to promote an opposing candidate.

I did promote Paul’s candidacy before the election on my personal blog, but that’s mine to do with as I please.

I did run articles by Paul after the election. As Bruce Cohen should know, Paul remains very popular in the LPC. I’ve seen many Ron Paul Revolution t-shirts and caps at the various Los Angeles libertarian supper clubs.

If anyone were to purge the LPC of Paul fans, supporters, and voters, the LPC would be far smaller than it is today.

]]> By: Thomas L. Knapp http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101117 Thomas L. Knapp Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:17:53 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101117 Jeremy, You're a gentleman and a scholar! Since I see that the book has disappeared from my Amazon wish list, my assumption is that your comment above means you've purchased it and had it sent my way. As soon as it arrives, I'll set aside the first free bloc of time I have to read it, and then write a full review. I can publish that review at KN@PPSTER, or let me if you want it as an "exclusive" for Progressive Historians or some other site. If it's at KN@PPSTER, of course, it's free for re-publication anywhere. Jeremy,

You’re a gentleman and a scholar! Since I see that the book has disappeared from my Amazon wish list, my assumption is that your comment above means you’ve purchased it and had it sent my way.

As soon as it arrives, I’ll set aside the first free bloc of time I have to read it, and then write a full review. I can publish that review at KN@PPSTER, or let me if you want it as an “exclusive” for Progressive Historians or some other site. If it’s at KN@PPSTER, of course, it’s free for re-publication anywhere.

]]> By: Thomas M. Sipos http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101116 Thomas M. Sipos Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:16:29 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101116 Not only did I write-in Ron Paul, but Paul was a certified write-in candidate in California thanks to the efforts of Gail Lightfoot, one of the original founders of the LPC, and Chair of the San Luis Obispo LP. Gail recruited 55 people to sign on as Presidential Electors. Many of them, I assume, were LPC members or officers. I know that Ed Bowers, Chair of the San Fernando Valley LP signed on as a Paul Elector. I also know of several LPC officers (state, county, or regional) who voted for Paul. Fact is, there was a mini-revolt in the LPC, with a sizable group bolting Barr/Root to vote for Paul. Bruce Cohen doesn't like that. Tough. Not only did I write-in Ron Paul, but Paul was a certified write-in candidate in California thanks to the efforts of Gail Lightfoot, one of the original founders of the LPC, and Chair of the San Luis Obispo LP.

Gail recruited 55 people to sign on as Presidential Electors. Many of them, I assume, were LPC members or officers. I know that Ed Bowers, Chair of the San Fernando Valley LP signed on as a Paul Elector.

I also know of several LPC officers (state, county, or regional) who voted for Paul.

Fact is, there was a mini-revolt in the LPC, with a sizable group bolting Barr/Root to vote for Paul.

Bruce Cohen doesn’t like that. Tough.

]]> By: Jeremy Young http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101083 Jeremy Young Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:14:05 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101083 Tom, consider the chair so endowed. Tom, consider the chair so endowed.

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-101033 Robert Milnes Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:41:19 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-101033 Bruce Cohen, so what? Bruce Cohen, so what?

]]> By: Bruce Cohen http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-100884 Bruce Cohen Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:17:19 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-100884 Listen, the Editor of California Freedom, Mister Thomas Sipos, not only openly brags about voting against Barr/Root, but even wrote about in CF Magazine. Of course, the magazine's content is approved by Mister Takenaga, the CA Chair, so I guess both the vote and the promotion of said vote is good with him, aye? Listen, the Editor of California Freedom, Mister Thomas Sipos, not only openly brags about voting against Barr/Root, but even wrote about in CF Magazine.

Of course, the magazine’s content is approved by Mister Takenaga, the CA Chair, so I guess both the vote and the promotion of said vote is good with him, aye?

]]> By: Thomas L. Knapp http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-100839 Thomas L. Knapp Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:39:14 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-100839 Bob, "Conciliatory" is defined as "making or willing to make concessions." Telling the truth (as I see it) about my opponent isn't a "concession." It's just telling the truth. Sometimes the truth isn't negative. "Root represents the reactionary, counterrevolutionary wing of the LP." I disagree. From my perspective, Root doesn't represent any <em>ideological</em> wing of the LP at all. Rather, he's a focal point for the affections of what I've called the "Cargo Cult" wing of the LP. That wing isn't ideological, it's superstitious. "The epitome of which is Ron Paul endorsing Chuck Baldwin" Yeah ... a Republican endorsing a Constitution Party guy is "the epitome" of a wing of the LP. Uh-huh. I agree that Root is not what the LP needs. There are plenty of reasons why he isn't. I don't have to make them up, nor do I have to lie about him to get them out there, nor do I have to slag him when he gets something right. So I won't. Bob,

“Conciliatory” is defined as “making or willing to make concessions.” Telling the truth (as I see it) about my opponent isn’t a “concession.” It’s just telling the truth. Sometimes the truth isn’t negative.

“Root represents the reactionary, counterrevolutionary wing of the LP.”

I disagree. From my perspective, Root doesn’t represent any ideological wing of the LP at all. Rather, he’s a focal point for the affections of what I’ve called the “Cargo Cult” wing of the LP. That wing isn’t ideological, it’s superstitious.

“The epitome of which is Ron Paul endorsing Chuck Baldwin”

Yeah … a Republican endorsing a Constitution Party guy is “the epitome” of a wing of the LP. Uh-huh.

I agree that Root is not what the LP needs. There are plenty of reasons why he isn’t. I don’t have to make them up, nor do I have to lie about him to get them out there, nor do I have to slag him when he gets something right. So I won’t.

]]> By: Robert Milnes http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/tom-knapp-consciences-of-the-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-100732 Robert Milnes Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:15:57 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=9913#comment-100732 Much too conciliatory, Tom. Root represents the reactionary, counterrevolutionary wing of the LP. The epitome of which is Ron Paul endorsing Chuck Baldwin CP. We need the exact opposite; a progressive-libertarian alliance/movement=slow, electorial & socialist denying revolution. We need to learn from 2008, not repeat it. Much too conciliatory, Tom. Root represents the reactionary, counterrevolutionary wing of the LP. The epitome of which is Ron Paul endorsing Chuck Baldwin CP. We need the exact opposite; a progressive-libertarian alliance/movement=slow, electorial & socialist denying revolution. We need to learn from 2008, not repeat it.

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