Comments on: NY: Critique of third party fusion strategy

By: Michael Cavlan

Michael Cavlan — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:46:59 +0000

On a serious note, this issue of fusion with the “major” party was articulated best by former Green Party Delegate (and good friend) John Murphy. It is about FUSION WITH the Dems or FISSION FROM the Dems.

As I like to say. at least for those of us who are serious about building an alternative to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system. The ones who do not care about how their “Democrat friends” (UFPJ, Medea Benjamin, CODE PINK etc etc) will complain about “spoilers.”

In 2004 those “evil” Naderittes had a great tee shirt. It said ” The System Is Rotten-Of Course I’m A Spoiler” and Ralph Nader underneath.

They wore the spoiler badge with pride.

By: Michael Cavlan

Michael Cavlan — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:35:51 +0000

paulie // Sep 16, 2009 at 5:01 pm

If you’d listened to me and tried the Progressive Green Libertarian Communist Neo-Nazi Alliance strategy, with the Cato Institute 13% libertarian vote and a whole bunch of women, you losing loser losers wouldn’t be losing, but nooooooo.

ROFL. Nominated for comment of the day!

8Trent Hill // Sep 16, 2009 at 5:22 pm

Seconded.

Thirded. OMG, this made me spray my coffee all over the computer.

LOLOL

By: Peter Orvetti

Peter Orvetti — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:50:50 +0000

the majority of the posters here are utterly delusional

This is an interesting thread for such an observation. While I concede that articles on the possibility of electing a non-major party president in three years, or of the imminent collapse of one or both of the major parties, may be “delusional”, this particular thread is about a pretty realistic subject — cross-party endorsements and fusion. What’s “delusional” here?

By: Richard Winger

Richard Winger — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:53:16 +0000

Sometimes the Working Families Party cross-endorses Republican nominees. In 2008 it cross-endorsed 2 Republican legislative nominees in Connecticut, 3 in Delaware, and 13 in New York. Sometimes it runs its own members, also.

By: paulie

paulie — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:00:36 +0000

Yeah, and what’s your take on the article?

By: mentally balanced

mentally balanced — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:40:28 +0000

wow. the majority of the posters here are utterly delusional.

By: Richard Cooper

Richard Cooper — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:25:25 +0000

Andrew Cuomo did the same thing for governor in 2002 leading to the demise of the Liberal Party. He is now the Attorney-General and rumored to be considering a primary challenge to Governor Paterson.

By: libertariangirl

libertariangirl — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:01:45 +0000

PO__
If you’d listened to me and tried the Progressive Green Libertarian Communist Neo-Nazi Alliance strategy, with the Cato Institute 13% libertarian vote and a whole bunch of women, you losing loser losers wouldn’t be losing, but nooooooo.

me__
ROFLMAO

By: VAGreen

VAGreen — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:49:12 +0000

“Well, I’m sure the WFP insiders will get fat checks from the Democratic insiders for their help, which is really what it’s all about.”

Yeah, like they did in 2006. The WFP falsely claimed that Cindy Sheehan had endorsed them when she was supporting Green Party candidates Malachy McCourt for Governor and Howie Hawkins for Senate. They played the Nader card against the Greens, complaining about “spoiling” in a race where their guy Spitzer was leading in the polls by more than 40%. It had nothing to do with helping Spitzer win, because there was no way he could lose. It was about keeping the Greens’ vote totals down so they couldn’t get ballot status. What a class act.

By: Dave Schwab

Dave Schwab — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:33:09 +0000

What I don’t understand is why the WFP doesn’t make itself a caucus of the Democratic Party. For a WFP candidate to quit because someone else won the Dem nod is basically an admission that WFP has no value other than a Democratic pressure group. And not much of one, considering all the corrupt machine insiders they endorsed – actually working against the more progressive Democrats like Yetta Kurland.

Well, I’m sure the WFP insiders will get fat checks from the Democratic insiders for their help, which is really what it’s all about.

By: paulie

paulie — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:31:39 +0000

or maybe he is not aware that he is on the ballot with the WFP ticket.

LOL. He is fully aware. He is consciously, purposely throwing the ballot line away.

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:22:52 +0000

Seconded.

By: paulie

paulie — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:01:17 +0000

ROFL. Nominated for comment of the day!

By: Third Party Revolution

Third Party Revolution — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:07:47 +0000

Hopefully he changes his mind, or maybe he is not aware that he is on the ballot with the WFP ticket.

By: citizen1

citizen1 — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:22:24 +0000

I do not get it if you are still on the ballot. I understand endorsing another candidate if you are not going to be on the ballot. This is like saying vote for me I am the best candidate and then saying just kidding I wasted time and public money this guy is the best candidate don’t vote for me.

By: Erik Geib

Erik Geib — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:05:29 +0000

Hahahahahaha.

By: Peter Orvetti

Peter Orvetti — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:49:53 +0000

By: Scott West

Scott West — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:16:55 +0000

And what were the matters of substance that initially made Mr. Aborn a more attractive candidate than Mr. Vance Jr. to the WFP?

By: KensingtonVoter

KensingtonVoter — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:05:50 +0000

As a fan of Aborn, I think you don’t get what the WFP is all about. There are other groups that see the protest or ideas candidacy as an important function. 99% of the time, that won’t be true for the WFP. They are in it to WIN.

And they have a track record of doing it.

They would never have supported Aborn as they did without the hope that he would prevail.

Now that he has lost – time to move on to other arenas where the WFP can get the most out of its recent victories.

FYI for those outside NYC – last night they won bigtime. They unseated more incumbents and elected more grassroots people than any political force in recent memory. It’s quite amazing.

Let’s retreat from the Manhattan DA’s race and focus on legislative agendas, like more reform of the Rockefeller drug laws.