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	<title>Comments on: 1972 LP nominee Hospers reviews Root&#8217;s Conscience Of A Libertarian</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-103637</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Aaron, but you&#039;re wrong.

One can use terms accurately and still tailor a message to an audience.  In fact, that&#039;s what should be done in the first place, since to do otherwise simply loses credibility once the disparity and inaccuracy is pointed out.

I believe I call it &quot;couching a libertarian message in populist tones&quot;.  It&#039;s something libertarians in general suck at, because they get too stuck in the eggheaded arguments and people&#039;s eyes glaze over.

But that doesn&#039;t create a pass for inaccurate terms, either.  We&#039;ve seen enough of that horrible practice in the Supreme Court.

Hospers knows better.  So do you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Aaron, but you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>One can use terms accurately and still tailor a message to an audience.  In fact, that&#8217;s what should be done in the first place, since to do otherwise simply loses credibility once the disparity and inaccuracy is pointed out.</p>
<p>I believe I call it &#8220;couching a libertarian message in populist tones&#8221;.  It&#8217;s something libertarians in general suck at, because they get too stuck in the eggheaded arguments and people&#8217;s eyes glaze over.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t create a pass for inaccurate terms, either.  We&#8217;ve seen enough of that horrible practice in the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>Hospers knows better.  So do you.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Strikes me that the explicitly liberty-minded are too few to exclude any branch of the movement. Since politics is largely a numbers game, excluding seems contra-indicated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://web.archive.org/web/20030621022306/archive.lp.org/rel/19970411-Clinton.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Strikes me that the explicitly liberty-minded are too few to exclude any branch of the movement. Since politics is largely a numbers game, excluding seems contra-indicated.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030621022306/archive.lp.org/rel/19970411-Clinton.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20030621022306/archive.lp.org/rel/19970411-Clinton.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: This one is even older...</title>
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		<dc:creator>This one is even older...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little boy blue,
he needed the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little boy blue,<br />
he needed the money.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101884</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zippy , that joke is soooo last year  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zippy , that joke is soooo last year  .</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy the Clown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zippy the Clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Starr is this you?

http://aaronstarr.com/

Nice picture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Starr is this you?</p>
<p><a href="http://aaronstarr.com/" rel="nofollow">http://aaronstarr.com/</a></p>
<p>Nice picture!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101877</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael @ 192/193

I respectfully disagree.  Communicating effectively means tailoring your language to meet the needs and understandings of the audience.

To use an extreme example, if I wrote something in Mandarin Chinese, it would be meaningless to a typical American reader, even if I wrote it perfectly.

In other words, it&#039;s not what you say, it&#039;s what people hear that matters.

Many of us libertarians seem perfectly content to write in a way that appeals to us, rather than to someone who is not yet familiar with us.  I suspect that approach keeps us from expanding our base of support because we wind up only talking to ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael @ 192/193</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree.  Communicating effectively means tailoring your language to meet the needs and understandings of the audience.</p>
<p>To use an extreme example, if I wrote something in Mandarin Chinese, it would be meaningless to a typical American reader, even if I wrote it perfectly.</p>
<p>In other words, it&#8217;s not what you say, it&#8217;s what people hear that matters.</p>
<p>Many of us libertarians seem perfectly content to write in a way that appeals to us, rather than to someone who is not yet familiar with us.  I suspect that approach keeps us from expanding our base of support because we wind up only talking to ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101723</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, to get a 100/100, you have to answer 10 (&quot;full freedom&quot;) on every issue.  If you say that advocating full freedom on a comprehensive spectrum of 20 issues is merely a way to &quot;game&quot; the test -- and that opposition to Ron Paul is a better test of libertarianism -- then that&#039;s just too silly to rebut.

My position on Ron Paul hasn&#039;t been as simple as endorse vs. oppose.  Anyone who cares what I&#039;ve said about him should start by reading http://libertarianintelligence.com/search/label/Ron%20Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, to get a 100/100, you have to answer 10 (&#8220;full freedom&#8221;) on every issue.  If you say that advocating full freedom on a comprehensive spectrum of 20 issues is merely a way to &#8220;game&#8221; the test &#8212; and that opposition to Ron Paul is a better test of libertarianism &#8212; then that&#8217;s just too silly to rebut.</p>
<p>My position on Ron Paul hasn&#8217;t been as simple as endorse vs. oppose.  Anyone who cares what I&#8217;ve said about him should start by reading <a href="http://libertarianintelligence.com/search/label/Ron%20Paul" rel="nofollow">http://libertarianintelligence.com/search/label/Ron%20Paul</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101676</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&amp; you didn&#039;t answer the question, did you, libertarian leader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&amp; you didn&#8217;t answer the question, did you, libertarian leader?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101675</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MMr. Holtz, I said I think your test is flawed. It is a test. People who take it are doing it for certain reasons. They are able to &quot;game&quot; the test e.g. obviously in order to get a maximum score, one should always answer with a 5. How about if I don&#039;t call you Brain &amp; you don&#039;t call me a troll, ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MMr. Holtz, I said I think your test is flawed. It is a test. People who take it are doing it for certain reasons. They are able to &#8220;game&#8221; the test e.g. obviously in order to get a maximum score, one should always answer with a 5. How about if I don&#8217;t call you Brain &amp; you don&#8217;t call me a troll, ok?</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously B , your trying to have logical discourse with a ham sandwich ... so unlike you:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously B , your trying to have logical discourse with a ham sandwich &#8230; so unlike you:)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101540</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re seriously saying that the way for your proposed LP Thought Police to judge &quot;the entire presentation of&quot; one&#039;s libertarian-ness is not by a comprehensive assessment of their policy positions, but rather by how soon and how hard they opposed Ron Paul?

That&#039;s hilarious on multiple levels.

I&#039;ve got an alternative suggestion for how to test potential LP leaders: how wisely they spend their LP-related time, e.g. in feeding IPR trolls.  In the last few days, I&#039;ve been failing the test miserably.  :-)

&lt;img src=&quot;http://marketliberal.org/LP/Stickers/DontFeed.png&quot; width=&quot;400px&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re seriously saying that the way for your proposed LP Thought Police to judge &#8220;the entire presentation of&#8221; one&#8217;s libertarian-ness is not by a comprehensive assessment of their policy positions, but rather by how soon and how hard they opposed Ron Paul?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s hilarious on multiple levels.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got an alternative suggestion for how to test potential LP leaders: how wisely they spend their LP-related time, e.g. in feeding IPR trolls.  In the last few days, I&#8217;ve been failing the test miserably.  <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><img src="http://marketliberal.org/LP/Stickers/DontFeed.png" width="400px"/></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you ever use the word &quot;counterrevolutionary&quot;? 0 points if it was AFTER his endorsement of Baldwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever use the word &#8220;counterrevolutionary&#8221;? 0 points if it was AFTER his endorsement of Baldwin.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well, Mr. Holtz. Now, I have a complaint about your lib quiz. It seems quite accurate. But it is too contrived. The questions belie the answers if one is at all familiar with the issues. Which I&#039;m sure you are about 100%. Rather, like the task of the Peer Review Board, evaluate the entire presentation of the individual. How about if we compare the first date &amp; strength of our taking publicly a position for or against Ron Paul. I believe mine was right after Kubby endorsed him. A counter to that &amp; in no uncertain terms. I didn&#039;t say give me more time or maybe I will not endorse him. I said no endorsement from me NOW. What did you say about Ron Paul &amp; when did you say it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well, Mr. Holtz. Now, I have a complaint about your lib quiz. It seems quite accurate. But it is too contrived. The questions belie the answers if one is at all familiar with the issues. Which I&#8217;m sure you are about 100%. Rather, like the task of the Peer Review Board, evaluate the entire presentation of the individual. How about if we compare the first date &amp; strength of our taking publicly a position for or against Ron Paul. I believe mine was right after Kubby endorsed him. A counter to that &amp; in no uncertain terms. I didn&#8217;t say give me more time or maybe I will not endorse him. I said no endorsement from me NOW. What did you say about Ron Paul &amp; when did you say it?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milnes, I wasn&#039;t asking for permission to be disrespectful about your life story. Rather, I was just asking you to be respectful about my name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milnes, I wasn&#8217;t asking for permission to be disrespectful about your life story. Rather, I was just asking you to be respectful about my name.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain, I beg your pardon, I thought alternating Pinky &amp; Brain was humorous. Go ahead &amp; tease me-incorrectly about those items. That would be quite politically incorrect. I was duped by the FBI into pleading guilty to Threat by Mail, not stalking. FYI. &amp; my depression has not been quite lifelong. As I said, my childhood was fairly typical &amp; happy for the most part. My depression began-coincidentally?-around when I had to deal with all those neurotic women out there.  Right now I&#039;m borderline homeless, having moved somewhat into my van. I could use a motor home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain, I beg your pardon, I thought alternating Pinky &amp; Brain was humorous. Go ahead &amp; tease me-incorrectly about those items. That would be quite politically incorrect. I was duped by the FBI into pleading guilty to Threat by Mail, not stalking. FYI. &amp; my depression has not been quite lifelong. As I said, my childhood was fairly typical &amp; happy for the most part. My depression began-coincidentally?-around when I had to deal with all those neurotic women out there.  Right now I&#8217;m borderline homeless, having moved somewhat into my van. I could use a motor home!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lg, maybe I need some young bimbo videos on my campaign website like Ron Paul? Check out the links. Quite the selection there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lg, maybe I need some young bimbo videos on my campaign website like Ron Paul? Check out the links. Quite the selection there.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sued=used.  Hit Submit too fast. One of those days... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sued=used.  Hit Submit too fast. One of those days&#8230; <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/09/1972-lp-nominee-hospers-reviews-roots-conscience-of-a-libertarian/comment-page-4/#comment-101382</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And if you’re going to write a book review intended to be read by the general public, rather than us philosophy geeks, you don’t waste time defining the meaning of terms. At that point, it’s no longer a book review.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No, you use &lt;b&gt; accurate&lt;/b&gt; terms &lt;b&gt;accurately&lt;/b&gt;.  If the terms are sued correctly, no definition is needed, and if people aren&#039;t sure what they mean, they look them up and learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;And if you’re going to write a book review intended to be read by the general public, rather than us philosophy geeks, you don’t waste time defining the meaning of terms. At that point, it’s no longer a book review.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, you use <b> accurate</b> terms <b>accurately</b>.  If the terms are sued correctly, no definition is needed, and if people aren&#8217;t sure what they mean, they look them up and learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats just sad and the worst campaign site Ive ever seen . how depressing .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats just sad and the worst campaign site Ive ever seen . how depressing .</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Milnes, I have a name, and it&#039;s not &quot;Pinky&quot;.  I&#039;ve never teased you about your &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/templates/displayfiles/tmpl8.asp?SiteID=1099&amp;PageID=17752&amp;Trial=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stalking conviction or lifelong clinical depression&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/templates/displayfiles/tmpl8.asp?SiteID=1099&amp;PageID=21546&amp;Trial=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;homelessness&lt;/a&gt;, so please don&#039;t make fun of the scar on my little finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Milnes, I have a name, and it&#8217;s not &#8220;Pinky&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve never teased you about your <a href="http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/templates/displayfiles/tmpl8.asp?SiteID=1099&#038;PageID=17752&#038;Trial=false" rel="nofollow">stalking conviction or lifelong clinical depression</a> or <a href="http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/templates/displayfiles/tmpl8.asp?SiteID=1099&#038;PageID=21546&#038;Trial=false" rel="nofollow">homelessness</a>, so please don&#8217;t make fun of the scar on my little finger.</p>
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