Richard Winger writes at Ballot Access News:
The Moderate Party of Rhode Island will have collected 30,000 signatures on its petition to become a qualified party by Monday, August 3. The law requires 23,589 signatures, so the party believes that in four days, it will have enough valid signatures.
If the party has qualified, this is the first time any political party, or any statewide independent candidate, has completed a petition of 5% of the last vote cast since 2000, when the Libertarian Party, and the Reform Party, each completed Oklahoma’s 5% petition. Also, this is the first time a party has qualified itself using a 5% statewide petition in a midterm year since the Libertarian Party completed such a petition in Nevada in 1978 (Nevada eliminated its 5% petition requirement in 1987).
34 responses so far ↓
1 paulie // Aug 1, 2009 at 6:36 am
http://www.moderate-ri.org/news/signatures.htm
2 Gary Fincher // Aug 1, 2009 at 6:40 am
It’s a good thing Sean Haugh didn’t manage this petition drive. The Moderate Party would be set back many years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKerwfun0Oo
3 Jessica Irons // Aug 1, 2009 at 7:10 am
I see the loser crew is back.
Gary – the woman beating slob who forged voter registrations in New Mexico
Paul – the convicted felon, rapist, child molester and crackhead who forged signatures in Oregon
Andy – the original inspiration for the character in the 40 year old virgin. He hasn’t been caught forging yet, but since he hangs around with Gary and Paul there is a pretty high probability that he is a forger just like his loser friends. He always acts crazy and has to be removed by police because he petitions at grocery stores without permission and yells at people.
Andy is currently stalking a young woman in Tennessee. He recently had to be fired from the voter registration drive in Arizona for deranged behavior and low quality work.
All three have been fired in North Carolina and then again nationally by Sean Haugh, who is by far the best political director the Libertarian Party has ever had.
Paul is now on the executive committee of the Alabama LP even though he is actually a homeless bum who hitchhikes all over the country and posts lies and slanders here against Sean Haugh, Christina Tobin, Angela Keaton, Richard Winger, Michelle Shinghal, Scott Kohlhaas and ElfNinosMom – all due to petty jealousy against his betters. Incidentally he is also a plagiarist.
Roger Pope and Joe Knight have the straight scoop on these guys. They should be blackballed from petition drives, kicked off this website like they were at Last Free Voice, and ostracized at party meetings.
All petition contracts should go to Free and Equal and competent petitioners like Eric Dondero, David Jackson, Ronn Cook, Edee and Russ Baggett and Darryl Bonner.
The GAP boys are now turning on each other here over money. Don’t trust them, and don’t hire Mark Pickens who is just a front for them.
4 Richard Winger // Aug 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Gary Fincher did not forge voter registration forms in New Mexico and no serious person ever said he did. He made up imaginery Social Security numbers for some people who (quite properly) refused to write down an SSN on the form. The state admitted that what Gary did was not illegal. And those cards were counted. Of course it was not wise of him to do that.
5 Donald R Lake // Aug 1, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Oh come on Jessica, don’t hold back, tell us what you really think …………
6 Catholic Trotskyist // Aug 1, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Yeah Don, I was thinking the same thing. But I wouldn’t blame Paul for removing that slanderous comment. Paul is a great political activist and political reporter who admits that he has a mysterious past, but has been doing great work lately even though I disagree with much of his libertarian philosophy. He has never attempted to put spyware on my computer or defame the name of Catholic Trotskyism, as the Nader world control conspirators did exactly one year ago today, on August 1, 2008, at 4:52 PM PST.
7 Catholic Trotskyist // Aug 1, 2009 at 6:31 pm
And I still ask why Rhode Island needs a moderate party, when most of the Republicans there are already moderate and some of the Democrats too.
8 paulie // Aug 1, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Gary Fincher did not forge voter registration forms in New Mexico and no serious person ever said he did. He made up imaginery Social Security numbers for some people who (quite properly) refused to write down an SSN on the form. The state admitted that what Gary did was not illegal. And those cards were counted. Of course it was not wise of him to do that.
True.
But I wouldn’t blame Paul for removing that slanderous comment.
Nah. Let her/him/it make itself look foolish.
9 paulie // Aug 1, 2009 at 9:46 pm
And I still ask why Rhode Island needs a moderate party, when most of the Republicans there are already moderate and some of the Democrats too.
They are all moderated here in ri, but some are more moderate than others
10 Laura // Aug 1, 2009 at 10:37 pm
“He (Gary Fincher) made up imaginery Social Security numbers for some people who (quite properly) refused to write down an SSN on the form. ”
Gary what do you think the election officials will do with signatures that DO NOT MATCH UP with the fake social security numbers you provided?
That may have worked for you years ago, but the 2002 Help America Vote Act required states to implement online voter registration databases, and those databases cross reference with both the social security administration database, and the drivers license database.
Perhaps what you have done is illegal, did you think of that?
Second, did you think that by falsifying social security numbers, you likely caused many signatures to be rejected, perhaps whole forms of signatures.
What else did you falsify?
11 Catholic Trotskyist // Aug 1, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Everyone should keep in mind that August was the most difficult month for Obama in 2008 after he won the nomination. It was after I received my new computer on September 8, 2008, and restarted the Catholic Trotskyist movement, that Palin became less popular and our revolutionary commander Obama began to strengthen his campaign, as the combined agenda of the Christian Right and the gay/abortionist agenda maneuvered to collapse the economy.
12 Andy // Aug 1, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“Gary what do you think the election officials will do with signatures that DO NOT MATCH UP with the fake social security numbers you provided?”
That incident happened back in 1999. It is now 2009. It was 10 freakin’ years ago.
“That may have worked for you years ago, but the 2002 Help America Vote Act required states to implement online voter registration databases, and those databases cross reference with both the social security administration database, and the drivers license database.”
State’s still can’t require people to provide Social(ist) (In)Security Number of voter registrations.
“Perhaps what you have done is illegal, did you think of that?”
It was not illegal. No law was broken.
“Second, did you think that by falsifying social security numbers, you likely caused many signatures to be rejected, perhaps whole forms of signatures.”
They weren’t petition signatures, they were voter registrations, and as ballot access expert Richard Winger said, the registrations were not rejected.
Also, note that it was only around 10-20% of the voter registrations that contained random numbers in the OPTIONAL Social(ist) (In)Security Number box (the other 80-90% of registrations had the SSN that the voter filled in themselves), and the only reason he did it was because Joe Knight said that he wasn’t going to pay him for the registrations that lacked the SSN, even though the SSN was NOT a mandatory requirement and even though Joe Knight never issued this command to Scott Kohlhaas who was working on the same voter registration drive in a different part of the state.
What else did you falsify?
13 Andy // Aug 1, 2009 at 11:44 pm
“What else did you falsify?”
Nothing else was falsified.
14 Thomas L. Knapp // Aug 2, 2009 at 12:09 am
Quoth Richard Winger:
“Gary Fincher did not forge voter registration forms in New Mexico and no serious person ever said he did. He made up imaginery Social Security numbers for some people who (quite properly) refused to write down an SSN on the form.”
If what you say in the first sentence is true, then with the second sentence you are accusing yourself of not being a serious person.
15 libertariangirl // Aug 2, 2009 at 2:33 am
Jessica is i c*^t , a big ole c^#t
16 paulie // Aug 2, 2009 at 2:51 am
If the form asked women for their bra size and men for their penile measurements, but would still be processed by the state with the voter duly registered if the information is falsified (or “guessed”), that’s not forgery. The voter’s signature, actual required information (address etc) and agreement to register Libertarian remain in place, as does the state’s willingness to accept it.
You can argue that Mr. Winger is wrong about that, but if he is right, it is not forgery.
17 paulie // Aug 2, 2009 at 2:54 am
lol since when are you afraid to say cunt?
18 paulie // Aug 2, 2009 at 5:39 am
@6, 8
speaking of free speech, conversation w/ Jim Davidson on lpanarchists
———————————————–
Me > Wouldn’t logic dictate that a freedom activist who believes
> that “there is no future in electoral politics for freedom”
> could find many more productive uses for his time?
Davidson: Paulie the drug gang enforcer who used to enjoy beating people up for his drug gang, as he has frequently bragged.
Clearly I don’t need to take logic lessons from a gang banger. How many murders were you involved in or witnessed, Paulie?
p] Argumentum ad hominem. The question is no less valid regardless who posted it.
The events you speak of took place over 20 years ago, when I was between the ages of 11 and 15. I’m now 37. In no ways is my long ago involvement in criminal violence something I brag about, although I acknowledge it as part of my evolution through life. I deeply regret many of my actions.
I’m not a gang banger and I didn’t say anything about any murders – where did you dream that up?
Anyway, what is your obsession with the LP and what is your new obsession with me?
A few weeks ago you start attacking me out of the blue for no apparent reason. Now you have threatened to ….
“Paulie. You are an evil malicious wart on the liberty movement’s nose. You are a thug. Fuck yourself. If I see you, I’ll hurt you, any way I please.”
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/tom-knapp-on-controversy-over-cambridge-arrest-of-dr-henry-louis-gates-its-not-about-race/#comment-83786
Keep in mind that you initiated verbal aggression, have escalated it, and now are apparently threatening to initiate physical violence.
I’m the thug, yet you are the one threatening me for…what? Posting videos on IPR? …. Add psychological projection to Jim’s laundry list of issues.
Maybe I struck a nerve with the agent provocateur guess?
Finally, Jim: what is it you want? Which aspects of my free expression do I have to curtail for you to withdraw your threat of initiating violence against me?
19 Donald R Lake // Aug 2, 2009 at 6:01 am
You should be free ESPECIALLY in an alternative, Establishment critical site, to say what you mean and mean what you say. I consider this your and IPR’s saving grace ……..
20 libertariangirl // Aug 2, 2009 at 10:23 am
BTW , I asked one of Jims old friends if he was in a position to back up his physical threats , meaning toe to toe of course .
He seriously laughed his ass off at the idea . Jim is a big talker behind a computer screen and thats it . In person he could never back his idle threats up .
21 libertariangirl // Aug 2, 2009 at 10:24 am
BTW Jim , Angela is selling for sweaty old tshirts ( no panties , sorry boys ) to raise funds .
I know how much you like to sit at her feet and drool so I figured you’d be interested.
22 Eric Dondero // Aug 2, 2009 at 10:42 am
Off topic:
You all know I can’t stand that son-of-a-bitch America-hating Leftist Libertarian George Phillies.
But I gotta hand it to George. He had some absolutely hilarious comments this morning in the Berkshire Eagle about outdated Massachusetts laws. Funniest about “fornication.”
I posted the article at Libertarian Republican, link above. (I know, shameless plug, but I figure George is a regular around these parts, so of great interest to IPR readers.)
23 libertariangirl // Aug 2, 2009 at 10:44 am
Thanks Eric:)
24 paulie // Aug 3, 2009 at 2:58 pm
After the turn-in I just got back from we have over 32,700 signatures.
25 paulie // Aug 3, 2009 at 2:59 pm
26 Andy // Aug 4, 2009 at 1:51 am
Tom Knapp once again PROVED that he is not a serious person – and therefore should NOT be a candidate for President or anything else – when he made the following RIDICULOUS statement: “If what you say in the first sentence is true, then with the second sentence you are accusing yourself of not being a serious person.”
This has been explained to you over and over and you STILL don’t get it (Paul and Richard Winger covered it again so I’m going to skip explaining it this time). This means that you are either extremely DENSE or that you don’t care about the truth. Whichever the case, you are clearly unfit to be a candidate for any office, except for maybe Soil & Water Commissioner, and I say that only because you have a talent for spreading manure. Just remember to keep the manure out of the water and maybe that’s an office for which you are suited, but even this is doubtful.
27 Donald R Lake // Aug 4, 2009 at 4:34 am
Oh come on Andrew, tell us what you really think!
28 Gary Fincher // Aug 4, 2009 at 2:53 pm
“That may have worked for you years ago”
Duh. “Years ago” was when it happened. What does this have to do with 2009??
29 Gary Fincher // Aug 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm
“If what you say in the first sentence is true, then with the second sentence you are accusing yourself of not being a serious person.”
This is for everyone else’s benefit, not Tom Knapp’s, since he will never “get it”. “Forged” has a very specific meaning, and is not the same thing as “making up something imaginary”.
By Knapp’s logic, Edgar Rice Burroughs “forged” Tarzan of the Apes and L. Frank Baum “forged” the Wizard of Oz.
30 Andy // Aug 4, 2009 at 4:47 pm
“This is for everyone else’s benefit, not Tom Knapp’s, since he will never ‘get it’. ‘Forged’ has a very specific meaning, and is not the same thing as ‘making up something imaginary’.”
It should be pointed out that the only information that was “made up” was random numbers filled in the OPTIONAL Social(ist) (In)Security Number boxes on around 10-20% of the registrations. Once again, the Social(ist) (In)Security Number box was NOT a mandatory field that had to be filled in for the voter registration to be valid. The boxes could have been left blank and those registrations would have still counted. The ONLY reason that Gary filled random numbers in those boxes is because half way during the registration drive Joe Knight decided to turn the OPTIONAL Social(ist) (In)Security Number box into a field that he deemed to be necessary in order for Gary (and his late wife Karen) to get paid. Note that Joe Knight did NOT issue this command to Scott Kohlhaas who worked on the same voter registration drive during the same time period. Scott Kohlhaas was paid in full and on time for all registrations, including ones where the Social(ist) (In)Security Number box was left blank. Gary found the idea of being forced to take a 10-20% pay cut over a box on the voter registration form that was NOT even legally required to be unacceptable, so this is what lead him to filling random numbers in the boxes of the 10-20% of the registrations the Finchers collected where that box had been left blank by the voter. This was NOT a crime because that box was NOT mandatory for those registrations to be processed and all of the fields that were mandatory (name of the voter, address of the voter, American citizenship of the voter, age of the voter, signature of the voter) were all accurate, so therefore there was no forgery. Inspite of all of the BS that has been spread around, the Finchers did not do anything that was illegal or immoral.
31 Peter Orvetti // Aug 6, 2009 at 6:57 am
Speaking again of Rhode Island — anyone remember the Cool Moose Party?
32 Andy // Aug 6, 2009 at 8:09 pm
“Peter Orvetti // Aug 6, 2009 at 6:57 am
Speaking again of Rhode Island — anyone remember the Cool Moose Party?”
Yeah. I heard that the guy who founded the Cool Moose Party is going to run for Govenor.
33 Third Party Revolution // Aug 17, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Apparently on BAN, it has been confirmed that the Moderate Party has made enough signatures: http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/08/16/rhode-island-says-moderate-party-has-enough-valid-signatures/
34 mdh // Aug 17, 2009 at 5:03 pm
@10 – Technical correction. The voter registration databases held by states absolutely do not necessarily cross-reference against any data held or maintained by the Social Security Administration.
That statement is factually inaccurate. Some states may correlate such data under the auspices of drivers licensing and identification, however it is not true that all states cross-reference voter registration data in any way with Social Security Administration records.
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