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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88898</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BH__i’m left to wonder to what extent testosterone contributes to the urge among many Libertarians to try to read others out of the party and/or movement for various ideological.

its not testoterone B , its because in the game of Philosophy and Anarchy ( the libertarian version of Dungeon and Dragons) they have become 9th level Libertarian Wizards with unlimited hit points . 

It would be beneath them to hang out with the lower levels. 

*anyone who&#039;s as big a dork as me will get that joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BH__i’m left to wonder to what extent testosterone contributes to the urge among many Libertarians to try to read others out of the party and/or movement for various ideological.</p>
<p>its not testoterone B , its because in the game of Philosophy and Anarchy ( the libertarian version of Dungeon and Dragons) they have become 9th level Libertarian Wizards with unlimited hit points . </p>
<p>It would be beneath them to hang out with the lower levels. </p>
<p>*anyone who&#8217;s as big a dork as me will get that joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>allison gibbs, the founder, is employed by the C4L if i&#039;m not mistaken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>allison gibbs, the founder, is employed by the C4L if i&#8217;m not mistaken</p>
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		<title>By: veterinarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>veterinarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G-Phil,

Don&#039;t ask the LOLA ladies how many of them supported Paul or Barr if you&#039;re trying to avoid another rabid episode.

OTOH, it&#039;s been almost 12 hours so you&#039;re probably overdue for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G-Phil,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t ask the LOLA ladies how many of them supported Paul or Barr if you&#8217;re trying to avoid another rabid episode.</p>
<p>OTOH, it&#8217;s been almost 12 hours so you&#8217;re probably overdue for one.</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88858</link>
		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am putting up something for the Ladies of Liberty Alliance, a group composed of real libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am putting up something for the Ladies of Liberty Alliance, a group composed of real libertarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, George and libertariangirl, (@16,17,18)

Thanks!

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, George and libertariangirl, (@16,17,18)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, I&#039;m glad you are building bridges to the Campaign For Liberty.   I&#039;m curious how you view that organization, given its association with Ron Paul. 

Maybe Tom&#039;s ESP can tell us whether C4L  is trying to appeal to racists with this language in its statement of principles:

&quot;We oppose the dehumanizing assumption that all issues that divide us must be settled at the federal level and forced on every American community, whether by activist judges, a power-hungry executive, or a meddling Congress.  We believe in the humane alternative of local self-government, as called for in our Constitution.&quot;

Not having access to ESP or any other kind of brain-scanning technology, I&#039;m left to wonder to what extent testosterone contributes to the urge among many Libertarians to try to read others out of the party and/or movement for various ideological heresies and strategic/tactical crimes.  However, I quickly banish such thoughts, because Libertarian ethical theory collapses if people aren&#039;t considered completely responsible for the choices made by their hormone-soaked brains. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, I&#8217;m glad you are building bridges to the Campaign For Liberty.   I&#8217;m curious how you view that organization, given its association with Ron Paul. </p>
<p>Maybe Tom&#8217;s ESP can tell us whether C4L  is trying to appeal to racists with this language in its statement of principles:</p>
<p>&#8220;We oppose the dehumanizing assumption that all issues that divide us must be settled at the federal level and forced on every American community, whether by activist judges, a power-hungry executive, or a meddling Congress.  We believe in the humane alternative of local self-government, as called for in our Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not having access to ESP or any other kind of brain-scanning technology, I&#8217;m left to wonder to what extent testosterone contributes to the urge among many Libertarians to try to read others out of the party and/or movement for various ideological heresies and strategic/tactical crimes.  However, I quickly banish such thoughts, because Libertarian ethical theory collapses if people aren&#8217;t considered completely responsible for the choices made by their hormone-soaked brains. <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88781</link>
		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you more interested in material content, here&#039;s another article from the current LfA:

Ladies of Liberty Alliance Forms
      
Many women involved in the liberty movement have experienced the frustrating feeling of isolation when they look around and realize they are just a needle of estrogen in a haystack of testosterone. The Ladies of Liberty Alliance is a brand new organization working to end that feeling of isolation forever!

This September 17th the LOLA ladies will unveil their first project at the Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Valley forge, PA.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2009northeast.php  

Sixteen bold, beautiful and brilliant women are spotlighted in the LOLA calendar, each representing an issues that is passionate to them with a focus on activism.

For a minimum donation of $25, individuals can support this brand new organization and learn about some of the very active women in our movement.  Donations will help the LOLA ladies provide an educational curriculum designed to empower women to be leaders in whatever capacity they desire: this means running for office, becoming an effective activist, planning rallies or becoming an expert presenter on a topic they feel passionately about. 

LOLA: Conspiring to attract libertarian women into the movement One activist at a time  www.ladiesoflibertyalliance.org
Allison Gibbs, Executive Director 404-786-7151
...Catherine Bleish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you more interested in material content, here&#8217;s another article from the current LfA:</p>
<p>Ladies of Liberty Alliance Forms</p>
<p>Many women involved in the liberty movement have experienced the frustrating feeling of isolation when they look around and realize they are just a needle of estrogen in a haystack of testosterone. The Ladies of Liberty Alliance is a brand new organization working to end that feeling of isolation forever!</p>
<p>This September 17th the LOLA ladies will unveil their first project at the Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Valley forge, PA.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2009northeast.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2009northeast.php</a>  </p>
<p>Sixteen bold, beautiful and brilliant women are spotlighted in the LOLA calendar, each representing an issues that is passionate to them with a focus on activism.</p>
<p>For a minimum donation of $25, individuals can support this brand new organization and learn about some of the very active women in our movement.  Donations will help the LOLA ladies provide an educational curriculum designed to empower women to be leaders in whatever capacity they desire: this means running for office, becoming an effective activist, planning rallies or becoming an expert presenter on a topic they feel passionately about. </p>
<p>LOLA: Conspiring to attract libertarian women into the movement One activist at a time  <a href="http://www.ladiesoflibertyalliance.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ladiesoflibertyalliance.org</a><br />
Allison Gibbs, Executive Director 404-786-7151<br />
&#8230;Catherine Bleish</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holtz</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88770</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Holtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simply not accurate to say that Barr&#039;s article advocated  “government distribution of child pornography on demand”.   Rather, it advocated that Georgia follow its law requiring that evidence not under seal in criminal cases to be open to inspection by the public, even if it is video evidence in a case about consensual sex between a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old.

Readers here can decide for themselves whether Knapp is guilty of the &quot;massive spin&quot; he complains was placed on Mary Ruwart&#039;s comments about child pornography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simply not accurate to say that Barr&#8217;s article advocated  “government distribution of child pornography on demand”.   Rather, it advocated that Georgia follow its law requiring that evidence not under seal in criminal cases to be open to inspection by the public, even if it is video evidence in a case about consensual sex between a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old.</p>
<p>Readers here can decide for themselves whether Knapp is guilty of the &#8220;massive spin&#8221; he complains was placed on Mary Ruwart&#8217;s comments about child pornography.</p>
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		<title>By: Octoroon Political Report</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88753</link>
		<dc:creator>Octoroon Political Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Barr is black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Barr is black.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88748</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what I said Tom , was that was my interpretation. I absolutely do not believe he meant &#039;people like her&#039; referring to black people.

he is way to smart to verbalize something like that even if he was thinking it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I said Tom , was that was my interpretation. I absolutely do not believe he meant &#8216;people like her&#8217; referring to black people.</p>
<p>he is way to smart to verbalize something like that even if he was thinking it</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88742</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;my interpretation of the Barr dissing Mc Kinney and referring to ‘people like her ‘ was that he was arrogantly saying he was of a higher political stature and wouldnt appear with the pions .&quot;

OK ... the key word there is &quot;arrogantly.&quot; What would be his reason for such arrogance?

It can&#039;t be that she hasn&#039;t accomplished as much as he has. He served four terms in Congress, leaving in 2002. She served six terms, leaving in 2006.

In terms of stature, the LP is in the same league as the Greens, but not for much longer if we don&#039;t get our shit together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;my interpretation of the Barr dissing Mc Kinney and referring to ‘people like her ‘ was that he was arrogantly saying he was of a higher political stature and wouldnt appear with the pions .&#8221;</p>
<p>OK &#8230; the key word there is &#8220;arrogantly.&#8221; What would be his reason for such arrogance?</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be that she hasn&#8217;t accomplished as much as he has. He served four terms in Congress, leaving in 2002. She served six terms, leaving in 2006.</p>
<p>In terms of stature, the LP is in the same league as the Greens, but not for much longer if we don&#8217;t get our shit together.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interpretations are like assholes , everybody has one.

my interpretation of the Barr dissing Mc Kinney and referring to &#039;people like her &#039; was that he was arrogantly saying he was of a higher political stature and wouldnt appear with the pions .

He and Nader wrked together because Nader is of the same level or higher of political celebrity as himself .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interpretations are like assholes , everybody has one.</p>
<p>my interpretation of the Barr dissing Mc Kinney and referring to &#8216;people like her &#8216; was that he was arrogantly saying he was of a higher political stature and wouldnt appear with the pions .</p>
<p>He and Nader wrked together because Nader is of the same level or higher of political celebrity as himself .</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88704</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toms new name is Semantic Man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toms new name is Semantic Man</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/08/new-issue-of-liberty-for-america-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-88702</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TK__Then you need to re-read the piece, because what you’re saying is at odd with the facts.

me_ so you really want to play facts are facts?
by that logic , Genalow  WAS guilty of child molestation .

I do not think he was because the law is stupid. 

Barr is not advocating child pornography , he&#039;s advocating georgia law superceding federal law . the same could be said for folks who support prop215 but arent patients . are they advocating drug use? technically yes , but we would never interpret it like that .

when the dispensary&#039;s get raided in Cali , we say . , or at least I do , &#039;hey thats not right , Cali voted to make it legal ad the Feds have no right to dictate to them&#039;.

at its root the argument is that state LAW should supercede federal LAW.Barr is making that same argument , at least in this article.

its a stupid , blatantly clear SPIN to interpret he supports the gov  distributing child pornography  and you know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TK__Then you need to re-read the piece, because what you’re saying is at odd with the facts.</p>
<p>me_ so you really want to play facts are facts?<br />
by that logic , Genalow  WAS guilty of child molestation .</p>
<p>I do not think he was because the law is stupid. </p>
<p>Barr is not advocating child pornography , he&#8217;s advocating georgia law superceding federal law . the same could be said for folks who support prop215 but arent patients . are they advocating drug use? technically yes , but we would never interpret it like that .</p>
<p>when the dispensary&#8217;s get raided in Cali , we say . , or at least I do , &#8216;hey thats not right , Cali voted to make it legal ad the Feds have no right to dictate to them&#8217;.</p>
<p>at its root the argument is that state LAW should supercede federal LAW.Barr is making that same argument , at least in this article.</p>
<p>its a stupid , blatantly clear SPIN to interpret he supports the gov  distributing child pornography  and you know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JT:

&quot;For instance, if Barr said he didn’t want to appear onstage with &#039;people like her&#039; referring to Cynthia McKinney, I’d clearly think he meant the presidential nominee of a party that vociferously calls for a much bigger federal government.&quot;

That might be true -- if Cynthia McKinney had been the only person on that stage calling for a much bigger federal government.

But she wasn&#039;t. Ralph Nader was there, too.

Barr singled out McKinney. He did so for a reason.

That reason wasn&#039;t that she advocated a much larger federal government, because she wasn&#039;t the only one on that stage who did.

Nor was it that she was relatively inexperienced or unqualified either compared to Barr or compared to others on the stage -- she&#039;s served half again as many terms as Barr has in Congress, and neither Nader nor Baldwin have ever served in federal office.

Presumably it wasn&#039;t because she&#039;s from Georgia, since Barr is too.

McKinney could be differentiated from Barr, or from any ONE other participant in the Paul event, on any number of characteristics (she was Green-affiliated, Nader was &quot;independent;&quot; she was nominally for bigger government, Baldwin was theoretically for smaller government; etc).

Barr&#039;s spokesperson didn&#039;t refer to &quot;people like&quot; McKinney and Baldwin or &quot;people like&quot; McKinney and Nader. He referred to &quot;people like&quot; McKinney.

Offhand, I can think of two characteristics which distinguish McKinney from not just one, but all, of the other participants, and from Barr:

1) She&#039;s black; and

2) She&#039;s a woman.

Take your pick on which one Barr&#039;s spokesperson was referring to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JT:</p>
<p>&#8220;For instance, if Barr said he didn’t want to appear onstage with &#8216;people like her&#8217; referring to Cynthia McKinney, I’d clearly think he meant the presidential nominee of a party that vociferously calls for a much bigger federal government.&#8221;</p>
<p>That might be true &#8212; if Cynthia McKinney had been the only person on that stage calling for a much bigger federal government.</p>
<p>But she wasn&#8217;t. Ralph Nader was there, too.</p>
<p>Barr singled out McKinney. He did so for a reason.</p>
<p>That reason wasn&#8217;t that she advocated a much larger federal government, because she wasn&#8217;t the only one on that stage who did.</p>
<p>Nor was it that she was relatively inexperienced or unqualified either compared to Barr or compared to others on the stage &#8212; she&#8217;s served half again as many terms as Barr has in Congress, and neither Nader nor Baldwin have ever served in federal office.</p>
<p>Presumably it wasn&#8217;t because she&#8217;s from Georgia, since Barr is too.</p>
<p>McKinney could be differentiated from Barr, or from any ONE other participant in the Paul event, on any number of characteristics (she was Green-affiliated, Nader was &#8220;independent;&#8221; she was nominally for bigger government, Baldwin was theoretically for smaller government; etc).</p>
<p>Barr&#8217;s spokesperson didn&#8217;t refer to &#8220;people like&#8221; McKinney and Baldwin or &#8220;people like&#8221; McKinney and Nader. He referred to &#8220;people like&#8221; McKinney.</p>
<p>Offhand, I can think of two characteristics which distinguish McKinney from not just one, but all, of the other participants, and from Barr:</p>
<p>1) She&#8217;s black; and</p>
<p>2) She&#8217;s a woman.</p>
<p>Take your pick on which one Barr&#8217;s spokesperson was referring to.</p>
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