James C. (Jim) Griffin, a founding member, in 1967, of California’s American Independent Party, and one of its most colorful and beloved leaders, today announced his endorsement of Chelene Nightingale for Governor of California, in 2010. Ms. Nightingale, a well known California political activist for constitutionalist causes, announced her candidacy for the American Independent Party nomination for Governor on July 4, 2009, at the “Secure America” rally at the border in Boulevard, CA.
Griffin, a trucker, was the AIP nominee for US Senate in 1980 and for Governor in 1982. In 1980 he received the biggest applause of the night, during his debate with incumbent Senator Alan Cranston, when he noted that “if you give a politician a hammer, he thinks every taxpayer is a nail.” Griffin was also honored with the AIP Presidential nomination in 1988, and served as State Chairman for the AIP in the 1990’s after it had became affiliated with the Constitution Party.
Honored in the early 1980’s, by official proclamation from the California State Assembly, for his excellent safety record, and lauded in the Congressional Record, for being the “best truck driver in America,” Griffin, now age 71, is still driving trucks and still interested in California politics.
“Chelene Nightingale represents the best hope for the people of California for a return to sane economic policies and for a return to honest, representative government,” said Griffin.
“I urge every American Independent Party voter to support her in next year’s primary election, and for every Californian, regardless of party affiliation, to do everything possible to make sure that she is elected the next Governor of California in November of 2010.”
“It is imperative in this time of crisis that people finally look beyond party labels,” added Griffin. “For too long now, both the Democrat and Republican politicians have come to us, all saying ‘vote for me, I’ll solve your problems.’ It should be obvious to everyone, by now, that they are not going to solve your problems…they ARE your problems!”
“I cannot think of a better solution for California’s problems than to elect Chelene Nightingale to be the next Governor of California. She has my full support and ought to have the support of every Californian who cares about this state,” concluded Griffin.
309 responses so far ↓
1 Thomas L. Knapp // Aug 13, 2009 at 8:59 pm
“Ms. Nightingale, a well known California political activist for constitutionalist causes”
Um, no. She’s primarily known for supporting Know-Nothing anti-immigrationism, a cause for which there’s no authority whatsoever in the US Constitution.
2 Cody Quirk // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Article 1, Sec. 8: Congress shall have the power… To establish a uniform rule of naturalization….
YOU’RE WRONG!
3 Don Grundmann // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:35 pm
There is no such thing as ” Know-Nothing anti-immigrationism.” There is illegal immigration, a crime which is used as a hammer against the working people of the nation to drive down wages. Thankfully Chelene, as compared to some other people who will remain nameless, is willing to not only fight the crime but especially to defend the working people of the nation from economic attack via illegal immigration and many other attackers. We can hence be happy that we have a unfortunately rare candidate who is willing to defend the American people from attack as compared to others who would actually join the attackers.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
4 Donald R. Lake // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:47 pm
“Ms. Nightingale, a well known California political activist for constitutional causes,”
Not at all! A San Bernardino no name whose web site has no endorsements [after months and months] and no links [after months and months]! Just another Post Office Box warrior in the minor, minor leagues.
Even the Save California site is minor, minor, minor. No one on her staff even does ‘Letters to the Editors’! I can not prove this, but I would doubt, having contacted folks in the so called ‘Inland Empire’ that even her neighbors on her residential street do not even know of her or about her.
And remember, California AIP is currently broken in two and she is aligned with the ’short end of the stick’. It is my understanding [and I take no happiness in this] that in the next 14 months the Ed Noonan cabal of Alan Keyes supporters can knock her right out of ballet access.
The original post is nothing but political hype and lies by deception. And the next time any one claims that the national Constitution Party is third in the numbers race, ask them about the situations in California, Texas and else where ………..
Year after year, decade after decade, these Bible Thumpers are the most consistent liars. It is bad enough to ‘churchify’ secular public administration, but to continually lie about the details! It makes me physically ill!
5 Donald R. Lake // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:49 pm
‘willing to fight’ ????????
‘willing to defend’ ???????
when, where, how ????????
[whispering in a darken room ????]
6 Robert Milnes // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:55 pm
F.U. Tom. I nominate Chelene as IPR Hottie of the month! She can cry on my shoulder when she loses. & I voted for Palin even though she is not my type.
7 Donald R. Lake // Aug 13, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Don Grundmann: Now that folks OTHER THAN you, Pro Baldwin AIP, and Pro Baldwin Constitution Party have maneuvered Kiddie Porn King Dem Veterans Advocate Wade Sanders and ‘the worst Congress Member in federal history’ Puke Cunningham, to residency in federal stir, are you going to keep searching for those gangs of homos looking to recruit boy scouts and girl scouts? You are as useless as tits on a boar!
8 Robert Milnes // Aug 13, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Hot right wing women governors. That’s what we need more of I say.
9 Third Party Revolution // Aug 13, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Who do you think will be September’s IPR Hottie of the Month?
10 Robert Milnes // Aug 13, 2009 at 10:24 pm
T.P.R., that is a good question. Nominations?
11 Robert Milnes // Aug 13, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Cody Quirk, your name…it’s kind of…quirky! How dare you say Tom is wrong! You see, Tom doesn’t really believe there is a border there because he can’t actually see it.
12 Trent Hill // Aug 13, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Cody,
Immigration does not equal naturalization.
13 Thomas L. Knapp // Aug 13, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Cody,
“Naturalization” is the process of becoming a citizen.
Equating “Congress shall have the power… To establish a uniform rule of naturalization …” with “Congress shall have the power to make laws pertaining to immigration” is no different than equating “Congress shall have the power … To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas” with “Congress shall have the power to come to Cody’s house and beat his ass if he cheers the Pirates while they’re playing the Cubs.”
Or, to paraphrase you:
YOU’RE WRONG.
14 A Native American Who Knows // Aug 13, 2009 at 11:28 pm
There are about 300 million illegal immigrants (and their illegal descendants) by my estimation.
15 Robert Milnes // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:19 am
A Native American Who Knows, “There are about 300 million illegal immigrants(and their illegal descendants) by my estimation.” Yeah. & what are you going to do about it?
16 A Native American Who Knows // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:46 am
Build a fence around them to corral them all up, naturally.
17 Donald R. Lake // Aug 14, 2009 at 4:12 am
Quit confusing Cody with the facts —- it is easier to make it up as ya go along!
18 Don Grundmann // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm
” in the next 14 months the Ed Noonan cabal of Alan Keyes supporters can knock her right out of ballet access.”
Response – The corruption of Noonan et. al. has no power to knock Chelene off of the ballot.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
19 Don Grundmann // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:26 pm
” Year after year, decade after decade, these Bible Thumpers are the most consistent liars. It is bad enough to ‘churchify’ secular public administration, but to continually lie about the details! It makes me physically ill!”
Response – Don : You should be physically ill when you continually put out B.S. like this. 1) Your ” Bible thumpers ” statement is simply mindless blathering with no substance to back it up. 2) ALL people, including you, are religious – no exceptions. Hence ALL ” public administration,” since it is administered by human beings, automatically reflects the religious beliefs of the culture and society around it in addition to the religious beliefs of the administrators. There are NO exceptions to this. You are simply complaining because the dominant cultural and social religion, however weakened, is Christianity and you are anti-Christian. When you refer to wanting ” secular ” public administration you simply want your anti-Christian religion to be in charge. 3) Your ” continually lie about the details ” comment is simply another brainless spew with no backup for any possible validity.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
20 Don Grundmann // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:28 pm
” …are you going to keep searching for those gangs of homos looking to recruit boy scouts and girl scouts?”
Response – I will continue to stand in defense of children. You will continue to oppose and belittle their defense.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
21 paulie // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:32 pm
False.
22 Donald R. Lake // Aug 14, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Don Grundmann, P2008, “Alan Keyes will be kicked of the [California] ballot and replaced by Chuck Baldwin ….”
Liar!
“I will continue to stand in defense of children …”
Thx for all your help with Democrat, Scary Kerry apologist, Kiddie Porn King Wade Sanders, you hypocrite! Talk much, do little or nothing. In Texas: ‘All hat, no cattle!’
You must be feeling ‘Cody Quirk Insecure’ to attack a guy whom asked for and got a Bible for his sixteenth birthday, whom was a sexual virgin WAY into his twenties, who has been involved [in quiet informal way] with spiritual issues for decades —– not that it is any of your business specifically and has any thing to do with secular public administration in general.
Aren’t you just ashamed of what you have become since the reasonable, productive days of 2004 and 2005?
23 Donald R. Lake // Aug 14, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Thx Paulie, the unreasonableness of ‘religious’ people continues to amaze me! [Jew Hater, former personal hero, Billy Graham!]
It is so reminiscent of Pro Viet Nam types [including Robert 'Edsel' McNamara!] recanting and recanting again — after the funerals!
What also continues to be so scary is the delusional self assurance of these mental and ethical freaks of the Flat Earth Society and Jesus was Born in the Roman Year Zero Association!
24 Don Grundmann // Aug 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm
” You must be feeling ‘Cody Quirk Insecure’ to attack a guy whom asked for and got a Bible for his sixteenth birthday”
Response – Just as you can ” lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink ” the Bible, not matter what age you get it at, does no good for you if you don’t give a damn about what it commands you to do.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
25 A Native merican Who Knows // Aug 14, 2009 at 1:34 pm
How many American Indians were slaughtered in the name of Christianity? How many others? Very Christian-like.
The Bible was written by man. Man is fallible. The Bible is therefore fallible as well.
26 Donald R. Lake // Aug 14, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Dear Native Merican: AND many other inspirational scripts are inspired in one language at one time and then translated numerous times by ‘not disinterested’ parties.
Much of the original Old Testament was transcribed by a known Jewish collaborator and traitor [Josephus]! Much of the English King James edition was monitored by a monarch whom was raised Catholic [as King James the VI of Scotland] and then pretended to be Protestant for the rest of his reign [as King James I of Britain].
The Bible commands me? WHICH Bible? Oh, if only the greater forces and Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior had only given humans brains to think with …………
27 Donald R. Lake // Aug 14, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Traitor Josephus and “Antiquities of the Jews”
“The next work by Josephus” [whom was given time and time again to charge into battle against the Romans or other wise commit suicide during the 70 ACE sack of Jerusalem and later Masada] “during is his twenty-one volume Antiquities of the Jews, completed during the last year of the reign of the Emperor Flavius Domitian .”
“He claims that interested persons have pressed him to give a fuller account of the Jewish culture and constitution” [as a Roman Citizen living on Roman Pension in Rome]. “Here, in expounding Jewish history, law and custom, he is entering into many philosophical debates current in Rome at that time. Again he offers an apologia for the antiquity and universal significance of the Jewish people.”
“Beginning with the creation according to Genesis, he outlines Jewish history. Abraham taught science to the Egyptians, who in turn taught the Greeks. Moses set up a senatorial priestly aristocracy, which, like that of Rome, resisted monarchy.”
” The great figures of the biblical stories are presented as ideal philosopher-leaders. There is again an autobiographical Appendix defending Josephus’ own conduct at the end of the war when he cooperated with the Roman forces.”
28 Cody Quirk // Aug 16, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Cody Quirk, your name…it’s kind of…quirky! How dare you say Tom is wrong! You see, Tom doesn’t really believe there is a border there because he can’t actually see it.
= My last name is an actual surname, FYI. And “whatever” about the rest of your comment.
29 Cody Quirk // Aug 16, 2009 at 3:06 pm
“Naturalization” is the process of becoming a citizen.
= Therefore our Constitution allows for regulation of immigration, and can put up any hoops and obstacles that such people must do in order to become a citizen.
Equating “Congress shall have the power… To establish a uniform rule of naturalization …” with “Congress shall have the power to make laws pertaining to immigration” is no different than equating “Congress shall have the power … To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas” with “Congress shall have the power to come to Cody’s house and beat his ass if he cheers the Pirates while they’re playing the Cubs.”
= So basically, the only way to prove me wrong is to insult me.
Thank you for showing how pathetic your political views are; I seriously did think about joining the LP at one time, but you just justified why I’m a Independent American instead.
So your still wrong!
30 Cody Quirk // Aug 16, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Immigration does not equal naturalization
= Its a part of it, Trent.
31 Cody Quirk // Aug 16, 2009 at 3:14 pm
There are about 300 million illegal immigrants (and their illegal descendants) by my estimation.
= So native americans are also illegals? And FYI, there were no immigration laws on the American continent when the europeans came.
How many American Indians were slaughtered in the name of Christianity? How many others? Very Christian-like.
= How many dozens of millions of people were killed in the names of communism and socialism, especially Christians.
BTW, at least my Church treated the Native Americans with respect and feed and clothed them when Utah got settled.
The Bible was written by man. Man is fallible. The Bible is therefore fallible as well.
= The Bible is fallible only to a point. It is the word of god translated through man, and indeed there are some errors to it, but the principles in there and in the Book of Mormon are correct.
32 Robert Milnes // Aug 16, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Biff, bam, slam! Oww, ugh, yeow! Wow! Cody comes out swinging!
33 mdh // Aug 16, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Illegal is not a noun.
34 mdh // Aug 16, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Immigrants are only considered to be in violation of the law because politicians say so. Borders only exist because politicians say so.
Nowhere in natural law do such laws exist nor find any merit whatsoever.
Now, I’m not a Christian, but I don’t think Jesus would want us to keep out poor Mexicans or anyone else for that matter. He’d want us to welcome them with open arms and help them to succeed by being charitable. Anyone who’s read the bible knows that much.
35 Cody Quirk // Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Biff, bam, slam! Oww, ugh, yeow! Wow! Cody comes out swinging!
= In victory or defeat, I always come out swinging.
36 mdh // Aug 28, 2009 at 8:42 pm
@2 – Cody, you’re wrong. Naturalization is the path to citizenship. It is not the path to cross a political boundary. Please consider proper use of legal terminology when looking at things in a legal context. I can understand congress being empowered to design a means of allowing non-citizens to seek US citizenship, and that is clearly provided for in the constitution. The right to restrict free travel, however, is nowhere specified as an enumerated power in the constitution.
37 Donald R. Lake // Aug 28, 2009 at 9:26 pm
mdh: let’s cure all the ills of the world from 3% of the global population and 7% of the land mass!
38 Donald R. Lake // Aug 31, 2009 at 1:45 am
Cody Quirk: “I always come out swingin”
The same can be said for your average Friday night resident of the local drunk tank ……….
39 Intheknow // Nov 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Nightengale is a crack-pot.
Chelene Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIP candidate for CA governor.
From: Patriotic Warrior
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:33 AM
Hello sir, Is Chelene Nightingale the AIP’s candidate for Governor of California?
Thank you for your time.
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From: Markham (mark@masterplanner.com)
Sent: Thu 8/20/09 9:34 AM
To: ‘Patriotic Warrior’
No. The primary hasn’t been held yet. We will be endorsing someone else for Governor. A tiny group calling themselves a “Branch of the Constitution Party” has endorsed her.
She never approached the AIP State Central Committee. It is fraudulent for her to use our name. We will be demanding in forceful terms that she cease and desist this deceitful representation.
Markham Robinson, AIP Chairman
http://www.aipca.org
http://www.selfgovernment.us
http://www.aipnews.com
http://www.aipnews.com/affiliate.asp
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Allan Keyes Faction of American Independent Party Files Paperwork in Court Case Over Who are Legitimate Party Officers
October 6th, 2009
On October 5, paperwork on behalf of the Alan Keyes faction of the American Independent Party was filed in the lawsuit King v Robinson, pending in California Superior Court in Solano County. The lawsuit had been filed by the faction of the AIP that is loyal to the national Constitution Party, back on March 16, 2009. The case had been stalled ever since, because the Keyes faction had been ducking service, but the response shows that both sides are now entered into the case. The purpose of the lawsuit is to determine who the proper state party officers are. In 2008, rival state conventions had been held, and the California Secretary of State had recognized the Keyes faction. Consequently, she placed Alan Keyes on the November 2008 ballot instead of Chuck Baldwin.++
October 20th, 2009 at 6:36 am
It is over, viz., KING v. ROBINSON, Case Number FSC033119, in the Superior Court of California, County of Solano. At AM 11:46 on Friday, October
16, 2009, at the request of Robert E. Barnes, attorney for James King the clerk entered the dismissal of this case which Mr. James King filed
on March 16, 2009. Later that day Judge Power vacated the OSC (Order to Show Cause) hearing for
October 19, 2009.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party
40 Russian Red Bear // Nov 6, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I checked with the Secretary of State and the voter registrar and they do not recognize any of those the names on the aipca website. This is simply false information with respecst to the AIP.
Mark Seidenburg or whatever his name is not the real chairman of this party. Noonan and all the rest of those names are not recognized by the state as an official committee either.
I think that is why these folks go bashing Chelene Nightingale any chance they get. It is because SHE IS an official candidate for the CA primary, as per the requirements of the Secretary of State. The minimum requirements are spelled out plain as day within the law. After she wins the primary is when she will be on the ballot as an official candidate for the AIP.
Truth is, I personally believe these individuals are scared of loosing thier name recognition on a website or something. I mean how important is having your name on a website?
Lies that are spread about good people should not be tolerated. I urge everyone to check out these individuals for who they really are. Scared little boys afraid of loosing some sort of name status or something.
41 sam brenner // Nov 14, 2009 at 1:22 pm
People don’t “bash” others for NO reason. PEOPLE will go after fraud and liars. Chelene Nightingale is a narcisstic individual looking for some last glimmer of attention before menopause hits. She failed as an actress and what better way to gain an audience, then to stand on the soap box..rant and yell great acting practice. “There’s a sucker born every minute.” I just hope people don’t donate their HARD EARNED money to these creeps. From what I have read..this Chelene Nightingale is bankrupt and in dire straights…..THAT is why people lash out! Because they don’t want to see others get duped!
42 sam brenner // Nov 14, 2009 at 1:33 pm
btw If the officers of the AIP Markham Robinson, Mark Seidenberg are NOT real how did they Keep Chuck Baldwin off the ballot? Quit making up crap. Go to Chuck Baldwins website…the guy sells his auotgraphed picture for $25.00!!!!
lol only in America kids…..
43 sam brenner // Nov 14, 2009 at 1:33 pm
*autographed
44 Don Lake, Prove Me Wrong ........... // Nov 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm
“the California Secretary of State had recognized the Keyes faction. Consequently, she placed Alan Keyes on the November 2008 ballot instead of Chuck Baldwin…..”
No, no, no, both Cody Banks, er, Cody Quirk and Doctor Donald ‘Sexual Fisting’ Grundmann ASSURED me of ……
oh never mind, these guys, like half of the folks in the Whig and [so called] reform movement are well known for ‘making it up as they go along’ !
I take no joy in informing well meaning patriots of this. I mean the Democans and the Republicrats lie to the rest of us soooooo often, why should we tolerate it from the [so called] ‘Loyal Opposition’ ???????????
45 Third Party Revolution // Nov 14, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Pretty soon Don G is coming to this thread.
46 Don Lake, Prove Me Wrong ........... // Nov 14, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Third Party: So what, why the minutea ????? You are sales person for red carpets ?????? I have never seen any one get ramped up on next to nothing on this site. You’ve got a couple of competitors but you are still in a ‘lack of class’ by your self.
Small picture, your majors are minors and your minors are majors.
Big picture, the bigs are screwing our nation large time and the non Dems and non GOP is not getting the job done. [Guess they are still wasting time wondering 'bout Bob M and response time and Doctor G .........]
47 Don Lake, Prove Me Wrong ........... // Nov 14, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Third Party: So what [concerning Grundmann], why the minutia ????? You are perhaps a sales person for red carpets ?????? I have never seen any one get ramped up on next to nothing as you are on this site. You’ve got a couple of competitors but you are still in a ‘lack of class’ by your self.
Small picture, your majors are minors and your minors are majors.
Big picture, the major parties are screwing our nation large time and the non Dems and non GOP is not getting the job done. [Guess they are still wasting time wondering 'bout Bob M and response time and Doctor G .........]
48 Don Grundmann // Nov 14, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Intheknow // Nov 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Nightengale is a crack-pot.
Chelene Nightengale being sued for deceitful misrepresentation of 2010 AIP candidate for CA governor.
Response – ” Intheknow ” – Obviously you ” know ” nothing and are simply a hack for the ultra corrupt Keyes faction of the AIP; which corruption I have documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. Chelene Nightingale has more class, knowledge, charisma, common sense, and smarts than you could ever dream of. She also has courage; a character quality which you will never find in ANY of the Keyes criminals. The most current example is the continuing cowardice of Mark Robinson who flees in panic when legal process servers get near. They got close enough to finally serve legal papers on him but of course he is still playing his childish and cowardly games by claiming that he was not served when he turned away from the process server and ran. Fortunately the law doesn’t recognize cowardice as a defense and our ( the REAL AIP ) lawsuit against his corruption is proceeding despite the never ending lies of the moral criminal Mark Seidenberg. Of course the REAL AIP; Chelene, myself, and everyone else fighting the corruption and cowardice of Robinson/Keyes, needs no ” permission ” from that walking piece of —- to run. I challenge him to sue Chelene or myself or any of our candidates. I say he doesn’t have the guts to do it because he is a coward and he would be slaughtered in court. Of course his whole criminal enterprise is funded by Republican money so the financial aspect of suing will be no problem at all for him. He has piles of Republican money to back him up. As for you ” Intheknow ” if you have any guts then I challenge you, and anyone else, to a debate regarding Chelene for Governor. I say you don’t have the guts either.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
49 Don Grundmann // Nov 14, 2009 at 11:58 pm
” sam brenner // Nov 14, 2009 at 1:22 pm
People don’t “bash” others for NO reason.
Response – Mr. Brenner : You are correct. Your own reason is that you are a stupid hack of the corrupt AIP Keyes/Robinson faction. Chelene Nightingale is a fantastically honorable, smart, and courageous woman who will make a fantastic Governor for our, or any, state. People are ” duped ” when they give any credibility to the nitwit ravings of a idiot like yourself. As with your fellow hack ” Intheknow ” I challenge you and any other of your fellow Keyes/Robinson cowards/frogs/asses to a debate anytime on Chelene or anything else. I will make you look so sick that the police may arrest me for child abuse. It will be a well deserved massacre as you will simply be yet another of the Keyes/Robinson corruption rodents who has zero ability to debate or put forth their ideas in any sensible or compelling argument and hence, since they know how weak and pathetic they are, will lie, slander, and lie again and never ending again ( as with filing fake papers withe government agencies ) because that is all that they have the intellectual capacity, and especially character, to do.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
50 Don Lake, Prove Me Wrong ........... // Nov 15, 2009 at 12:08 am
Oh Doctor Grundmann, ya caught us all! We are, en mass, hacks for Keyes, and we all endorse caravaning predatory gays [gangup against youth!], and public educators openly advocating sexual fisting for elementary students.
You are just too honest and ethical and smart for the rest of us! No wonder skittish Third Party guy ‘Paul Revered’ you!
Oh the Dems and GOP must be quaking in their collective boots with you on the case! The end of the Establishment Duopoly must surely be at hand, maybe with the schlock cinema “2012″ ?????
51 Don Grundmann // Nov 15, 2009 at 12:18 am
From: Patriotic Warrior
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:33 AM
Hello sir, Is Chelene Nightingale the AIP’s candidate for Governor of California?
Thank you for your time.
-
From: Markham (mark@masterplanner.com)
Sent: Thu 8/20/09 9:34 AM
To: ‘Patriotic Warrior’
No. The primary hasn’t been held yet. We will be endorsing someone else for Governor. A tiny group calling themselves a “Branch of the Constitution Party” has endorsed her.
She never approached the AIP State Central Committee. It is fraudulent for her to use our name. We will be demanding in forceful terms that she cease and desist this deceitful representation.
Markham Robinson, AIP Chairman
Response – Mark Robinson : I am the American Independent Party candidate for the United States Senate in 2010. I claim it. Sue me. I dare you. I say that you are a coward and a liar. You talk about ” deceitful representation.” That is ALL that you do. EVERYTHING that you do as the fake ” Chairman ” of the AIP is a lie. You are a sniveling cowardly mouse who will go down in history known as the total and complete liar and coward that you are since your cowardice and corruption is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com which as of 10-31 had 22,262 visitors who are now aware of your corruption. No need to thank me. It is my civic duty.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
52 Don Grundmann // Nov 15, 2009 at 12:32 am
Don Lake – Why write about what you don’t give a damn about? I have presented plenty of documentation regarding attacks against children. Your response? You send me a article in the mail on the spiritual justification for fisting. What a scholar you are!! Who else would give such a response? Certainly no sane person. And don’t worry about the Dems and Reps ” shaking in their collective boots regarding you. They are simply giving out ” high fives ” that their social engineering programs have worked so well that they can openly advocate molesting children and end up with people like you as supporters. 50, even 40, years ago supporters of such evils would have been tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. Now they are celebrated for supporting ” diversity ” and ” tolerance ” as at the school parents meeting which I attended at my elementary school alma mater on Thursday night where a ” child psychologist ” ( with a PH. D. of course ) openly talked about supporting ” trans-gender ” students in kindergarten and 1st grade. English translation – they are already planning on mutilating these and only-God-knows-how-many-other children when they get older and YOU – may God damn you for it and everyone else who supports it – stand in their defense. What a legacy you will leave.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
53 Robert Milnes // Nov 15, 2009 at 1:38 am
More hot women governors, that’s what we need, I say.
54 sam brenner // Nov 15, 2009 at 2:54 pm
man, Don sure takes the bait….lol
55 Don Lake, Prove Me Wrong ........... // Nov 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm
to sam brenner // Nov 14, 2009 at 1:33 pm
*autographed
Don[ald] Grundmann or Donald Lake ?????
If Don Lake, then why do you not stridently require the Loyal Opposition to be honest and forth right [or fifth wrong] ????
56 sam brenner // Nov 15, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Don Grundmann….4 sure!
pardon
57 Third Party Revolution // Nov 26, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Apparently there is another candidate for the AIP’s nomination for governor, Vincent. E May: http://www.wantedcalgov.net/home.html
58 Danny S // Nov 26, 2009 at 4:11 pm
“How many American Indians were slaughtered in the name of Christianity? How many others? Very Christian-like.
The Bible was written by man. Man is fallible. The Bible is therefore fallible as well.”
If I do a math problem and get it wrong, does that mean math is wrong or that I used the math improperly?
Although I do wish math didn’t exist…
59 Don Lake, A Modest Proposal ........... // Nov 26, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Danny S // Nov 26, 2009:
“How many American Indians were slaughtered in the name of Christianity? How many others? Very [un] Christian-like.”
Lake: and importantly, non Europeans were often considered not ‘real people’ by ‘Western Civilization’!
The Bible was written by [hu]man[s]. Man is fallible [and not one piece of the Talmud (Old Testament), New Testament or Koran was written in 21st Century English] .
The Bible is therefore fallible as well. [via numerous translation[s] alone, for example, I have been told that (verbally, on numerous occasions) the ‘days’ of creation comes from the early Greek for ‘an indeterminate amount of time’] ”
60 Don Grundmann // Nov 27, 2009 at 1:50 am
““How many American Indians were slaughtered in the name of Christianity? How many others? Very [un] Christian-like.”
Response – How many Indians were slaughtered by Indians? Answer – Countless and very ” unIndian-like ” ( according to modern politically correct mythology which declares that Indians all acted like ” Bambi.” ). How many children have been slaughtered ( torn to shreds ) by the anti-Christian religion of so-called ” pro-choice?” Answer – 50 million+ just in the U.S. and counting. Do the math. But then who cares? Unborn children are the ” niggers ” of our time and the movement to kill them is powered by the same people who have attacked non-white and especially black people around the world ( see blackgenocide.org ). Which religion gives more help to more people in the world than any other? Answer – Christianity; hands down and with no one else even close. As the Bible says – The things/ways of God are foolishness to men. It also says – The fool says that there is no God. Both statements written thousands of years ago and just as true today as at the moment at which, with the guidance of God, they were created.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
61 Don Lake, A Modest Proposal ........... // Nov 27, 2009 at 2:04 am
No one of any importance considers you the Vice-Chairman American Independent Party …..
62 Russki Belushsski // Nov 27, 2009 at 9:29 am
Lake
“Talmud (Old Testament), ”
bzzzzt wrong.
63 Lou Novak // Nov 27, 2009 at 11:42 am
Mr Grundmann,
Your language is unacceptable and putting the word in quotes doesn’t excuse your racist remark.
64 Don Lake, A Modest Proposal ........... // Nov 27, 2009 at 4:59 pm
[a] darn Romanian Spell Checker
[b] and their booth is no longer occupied at the swap meet
[c] if Doctor Don Grundman says it then it must be so! Watcha think, this guy and Cody Quirk just ‘make it up as they go along’? [Next absurd state ment, Religious section, 'Jesus was born in the Roman Year Zero!']
65 Don Grundmann // Nov 28, 2009 at 2:48 pm
” No one of any importance considers you the Vice-Chairman American Independent Party …..”
Response – 1) Obviously you are of that catagory – a no one of any importance. 2) You know nothing of the internal war within the AIP not because the information isn’t there but simply, as with so many other matters, you don’t WANT to know. Willfully ignorant; which is also known as stupid. So typical but your problem and no one elses.
” Your language is unacceptable and putting the word in quotes doesn’t excuse your racist remark.”
Response – Crocodile tears concern about a ” racist ” word but – 1) not a peep about the genocide of abortion, and 2) not a peep about the genocide against the black race by abortion as noted at blackgenocide.org. For your information – not that you care – the remark was not racist. Only a nitwit would make such a comment or have such a belief. What IS racist is the attack by Social Darwinists on the black community via abortion and which, on this forum, only I complain about. Planned Parenthood has killed more blacks than the KKK could ever dream of and does ANYONE complain? Do YOU complain? NO WAY. You will only complain when the appropriate comparison is used which illustrates the contempt which the unborn are held in. Wake up!!!
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
66 Mark Seidenberg // Dec 5, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Now to the facts. Dr. Don Grundmann has not
been an officer of the American Independent
Party since September 2, 2008. He was removed as an Area Director of AIP by the
former Chairman of the American Independent
Party in mid 2008, viz., Ed Noonan.
The American Independent Party’s national
affliation is the America’s Independent Party
since June 27, 2008.
Dr. Don Grundmann did attend the AIP State
Convention as a Delegate on July 5, 2008 in
the Auditorium of the California Secretary of
State Building, Sacramento, CA. Alan Keyes
was selected as the AIP Presidental pick at
that convention. Don Grundmann left the
Auditorium before Dr. Keyes was voted in.
My guess is Dr. Grundmann was upset that
the AIP delegates rejected Dr. Grundmann
even though he received the highest vote count
in the California Primary.
Currently, the next event will take place in court
on March 26, 2010 in the case of KING vs. ROBINSON. James King has a habit of starting
lawsuits but never goes forward with any. They have been directed against the last two Chairman of the American Independent Party.
MS. Nightingale campaign is going no where.
I have been contacted by one Davy or Davi of
SOS and he gave me the background
of the so-called Nightingale campaign effort.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
67 Don Grundmann // Dec 6, 2009 at 1:30 am
Mark Seidenberg of comment #66 above is a utterly corrupt liar whose corruption is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. This website documents why the American Independent Party is still the California branch of the Constitution Party. It also documents the deliberate filing of false documents with the California Secretary of State office by Seidenberg and his fellow criminals. Chelene Nightingale will win the primary election to be the candidate of the AIP because she will be supported by the REAL AIP, the non-corrupt faction, as compared to the criminal faction of the AIP of which Seidenberg is a officer.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
68 Trent Hill // Dec 6, 2009 at 4:47 am
Chelene Nightingale’s campaign seems to be the most successful gubernatorial campaign that has been waged by the AIP in a while. We’ll certainly be able to weigh the numbers at the end, but I think Chelene Nightingale is poised to rack up some votes. However, I think the fairest way to ascertain how well she does is raw vote totals, or maybe voting percentages (depending on whether turnout is average or better/worse than average).
Edward Noonan, in 2006, scored 61,901 votes for the AIP. He got .71%.
Reinhold Gulke, in 2002, scored 128,023 votes for the AIP. He got 1.71%.
Nathan Johnson, in 1998, scored 37,955 votes for the AIP. He got .45%.
Jerome McCready, in 1994, scored 133,870 votes for the AIP. He got 1.54%.
Jerome McCready, in 1990, scored 139,661 votes for the AIP. He got 1.81%.
Gary Miller, in 1986, scored 50,547 votes for the AIP. He got .68%.
Jim Griffin, in 1982, scored 56,249 votes for the AIP. He got .71%.
Theresa Deitrich, in 1978, scored 67,103 votes for the AIP. She got .97%.
Edmon Kaiser, in 1974, scored 83,869 votes for the AIP. He got 1.34%.
William K. Shearer, in 1970, scored 65,847 votes for the AIP. He got 1.01%.
This means the average vote total of Gubernatorial candidates for the AIP has been, up until this point, 82,502 votes. The average percentage take has been .992%. Now, this includes when the AIP had much more money, star power, and name recognition–so I think it’s fair to say that if she surpasses either of these numbers her campaign will have been a success by AIP standards.
Ms. Nightingale has been endorsed by Barbara Coe of CCIR, and once headed Save Our State, an anti-immigration group in California. Additionally, she gave a very public endorsement of Ron Paul in California in 2008. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her top 125,000 votes.
69 Don Lake .......... John Anderson volunteer 1980 // Dec 6, 2009 at 5:33 am
Trent Hill // Dec 6, 2009:
Chelene Nightingale’s campaign seems to be the most successful gubernatorial campaign that has been waged by the AIP in a while…….see her top 125,000 votes.
“Well, will the Noonan [Recognized Group] gang even allow her on the 2010 ballot ?????
The fact that she no longer holds her nothing little SOS position is a hint. I have connections in [corrupt, sinful] San Bernardino County, seat of the worst veterans home on the planet [Barstow] , no one ever hears of her [as I predicted months ago]!
Votes, MAYBE 12K as a write in ……….
70 Don Grundmann // Dec 7, 2009 at 10:50 pm
” The fact that she no longer holds her nothing little SOS position is a hint. I have connections in [corrupt, sinful] San Bernardino County, seat of the worst veterans home on the planet [Barstow] , no one ever hears of her [as I predicted months ago]!”
Response – 1) Chelenes ” nothing little SOS position ” is a higher position than Don Lake has ever had. 2) Far more people have heard of Chelene Nightingale than Don Lake and they doubtless have far better opinions of her than him.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
71 Mark Seidenberg // Dec 12, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Today I became aware the James King was appointed a head of some special committee
by the National Constitution Party to hold
a meeting to endorse candidates in the
primary election of California in June, 2010
within the American Independent Party.
Is James King trying to an end run around the
State Central Committee of the American Independent Party.
The real question is how many signature in lieu
does Mr. King and Ms. Nightengale what to geather, viz., 150 signatutes or 10,000 signatures to run. It will be the vote of the
State Central Committeeof the AIP that will set that vote, no some cabal called to order of James
King.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
not
72 Don Grundmann // Dec 12, 2009 at 11:58 pm
” Is James King trying to an end run around the
State Central Committee of the American Independent Party.”
Response – The ultra corrupt Mark Seidenberg, whose personal corruption is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com, knows that Jim King IS, as Chairman, the State Central Committee of the AIP along with myself and other duly elected ( at the Los Angeles convention of 6/08 ) officers of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
73 Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News // Dec 13, 2009 at 2:32 am
Don Grundmann // Dec 7, 2009:
” The fact that she no longer holds her nothing little SOS position is a hint. I have connections in [corrupt, sinful] San Bernardino County, seat of the worst veterans home on the planet [Barstow] , no one ever hears of her [as I predicted months ago]!”
“1) Chelenes ” nothing little SOS position ” is a higher position than Don Lake has ever had. 2) Far more people have heard of Chelene Nightingale than Don Lake and they doubtless have far better opinions of her than him.”
[a] Do nothing head, since removed, of a do nothing anti illegals groups that hardly any one in or out of San Bernardino County has heard of …..
[b] Lake and Citizens For A Better Veterans Home regularly submit Letters to the Editor. What’s Her Face does not!
[c] Lake and Citizens attend and speak at public events, including the Tuesday Board of Supervisors corrupt diatribes. One staffer after another off, fired, indicted, sued over the last dozen years. The most criminal county in the state! Chelenes ?????? Who ??????
[d] Even her personal, SOS, and candidate sites have no reasonable up dates. Duh!
[e] Opinion, good opinion of Chelenes in and out of the county ????? Mostly just blank stares.
[f] Chat with IPR in December 2010 when you [Doctor Donald J. Grundmann, the unscientific chiropractic] and she have been kicked off of the formal official ballot prior to the November election.
[g] King James, big do nothing on abused veterans since Citizens For A Better Veterans Home was founded in 1998 near his San Bernardino back yard! More folks know of King than Chelene, but after ten years NOT MANY! [Come on 'Firsting' Grundmann, you've seen copies of the 1999 and 2000 letters. Geez, what a faker! 'Making it up as (in 2008) you go along!']
[h] Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party: in his and the minds of may be the grey cells of a couple of dozen zealots.
74 Thomas L. Knapp // Dec 13, 2009 at 2:37 am
“Far more people have heard of Chelene Nightingale than Don Lake and they doubtless have far better opinions of her than him”
Not really. Don’s a little weird, but not actively anti-freedom, anti-America and just plain downright evil like Nightingale.
75 Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News // Dec 13, 2009 at 2:48 am
I’m telling ya Tom, and do I have a reason to lie to you, in and out of San Bernardino County, Southern California, or the west coast, she is the invisible woman.
[Oh course, LOTS of folks have heard of Grundmann, in and out of his mind and the official (if corrupt) Secretary of State's office in Sacramento .........]
76 Don Grundmann // Dec 13, 2009 at 8:17 am
” but not actively anti-freedom, anti-America and just plain downright evil like Nightingale.”
Response – Mr. Knapp : In campaigning for political office there is a unofficial consideration that candidates should be temperate in their remarks but I am not. The statement you made above could only be made by a total dumbshit/nitwit. Period. Unbelievable. But given the caliber, mentality, stupidity, and total cluelessness of Chelenes enemies and the enemies of the Republic ( one and the same ) it is totally understandable.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
77 Don Grundmann // Dec 13, 2009 at 8:34 am
” Lake and Citizens For A Better Veterans Home regularly submit Letters to the Editor. What’s Her Face does not!”
Response – Regularly submitting letters to the Editor???? Whoop de do!!! Chelene is appearing at campaign functions all across the state, on radio and TV interviews, and in countless other forums working to advance the cause of freedom. Thousands of people will vote for her in the upcoming primaries. Will ANYONE vote for Don Lake, the troll under the bridge who attempts to advance himself by smearing Chelene? Not a chance because he is not going to get out from behind a computer writing big-deal Letters to the Editor and get off his fat posterior and campaign as Chelene is doing EVERY DAY. It is amazing how know-nothings ( because they WANT to be that way by being deliberately allergic to facts and knowledge ) tear down fantastically hard workers like Chelene in a sick attempt to boost their own pathetic egos. Fortunately Chelene has the wonderful character trait of ignoring trolls and other rodents who attack for the joy of destroying ( since they build nothing themselves and are incapable of doing so ) and continuing her everyday hard work of fighting for our freedom and our Republic. Thank God for a truly inspiring and wonderful candidate such as Chelene Nightingale.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
78 Dwight // Dec 13, 2009 at 9:02 am
@71
signed “Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
not”
Freudian slip? LOL
79 paulie // Dec 13, 2009 at 10:32 am
@78
80 paulie // Dec 13, 2009 at 10:39 am
Grundmann, Tom is absolutely correct about Nightingale.
She’s devoted herself to Making the problem William Grigg describes even worse:
Crossing the border of a totalitarian state — in either direction — is an experience fraught with visceral anxiety.
Finding himself in the unwanted company of humorless, heavily armed goons of dubious competence and abysmal intelligence, the traveler is vividly aware that he can be arrested, imprisoned, beaten, or even shot at whim.
The best thing to do in such circumstances, travelers are told, is to assume a posture of utter servility, meekly and quietly enduring whatever indignity inflicted on them until they are safely through the border checkpoint.
Judging by the recent behavior of the valiant cadres of the heroic Border Guards Directorate, it becomes clear that the U.S. is rapidly descending into undisguised totalitarianism.
Last Tuesday (December 8), Dr. Peter Watts, a Hugo-nominated science fiction author from Toronto, was severely beaten, pepper-sprayed, arrested, interrogated, and otherwise abused by Border Patrol agents.
“If you buy into the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics, there must be a parallel universe in which I crossed the US/Canadian border without incident last Tuesday,” writes Dr. Watts. “In some other dimension, I was not waved over by a cluster of border guards who swarmed my car like army ants for no apparent reason; or perhaps they did, and I simply kept my eyes downcast and refrained from asking questions.”
“Along some other timeline, I did not get out of the car to ask what was going on,” Dr. Watts continues:
“I did not repeat that question when refused an answer and told to get back into the vehicle. In that other timeline I was not punched in the face, pepper-sprayed, sh*t-kicked, handcuffed, thrown wet and half-naked into a holding cell for three f*****g hours, thrown into an even colder jail cell overnight, arraigned, and charged with assaulting a federal officer, all without access to legal representation (although they did try to get me to waive my Miranda rights. Twice.). Nor was I finally dumped across the border in shirtsleeves: computer seized, flash drive confiscated, even my f****g paper notepad withheld until they could find someone among their number literate enough to distinguish between handwritten notes on story ideas and, I suppose, nefarious terrorist plots. I was not left without my jacket in the face of Ontario’s first winter storm, after all buses and intercity shuttles had shut down for the night.”
“In some other universe I am warm and content and not looking at spending two years in jail for the crime of having been punched in the face,” he concludes. “But that is not this universe.”
In the universe we’re sentenced to live in, Dr. Watts, like many, many other innocent people, has been charged with “assaulting” the sacred personage of a federal officer for the offense of being on the receiving end of a criminal assault by that officer and his cohorts (remember, the bold and brave “men” in law enforcement always operate in packs).
This kind of arbitrary, lawless violence can occur anytime anyone — including a U.S. citizen — encounters the Border Patrol. And the danger is not limited to the border: Witness the experience of Pastor Steven Anderson of Tempe, Arizona, who was tased, beaten, and arrested by Border Patrol agents at a checkpoint set up dozens of miles inside the southern border with Mexico.
Iris Cooper of Patagonia, Arizona recently had an unpleasant — if less violent — run-in with the Border Patrol. While driving to school at the Pima Medical Institute in Tucson, she realized that she had forgotten her books. Spying a Border Patrol checkpoint in the near distance, Cooper decided to take the risk of turning around to retrieve her books, knowing that this action might provoke suspicion.
Stop and think about what it says about our circumstances that avoiding a warrantless checkpoint is considered “probable cause” for the purpose of conducting a search.
Sure enough, Border Patrol agents and police pursued and stopped Cooper. She was pulled from her car, handcuffed, and detained for a half an hour while a K-9 unit conducted a warrantless search of her vehicle.
Despite being handcuffed and forbidden to leave, Cooper was told that she wasn’t under arrest. The handcuffs, she was told, were “part of the procedure.” This was a lie, of course: An arrest occurs any time a citizen is detained by any law enforcement officer. This includes traffic stops.
According to the Border Patrol, the increasingly theoretical protections offered by the Fourth Amendment are subject to “exceptions” for the purpose of border enforcement. This creates what some have called a “Constitution-free zone” within a 100-mile-wide strip surrounding the continental U.S. As the ACLU has pointed out, two-thirds of the U.S. population resides within that formal “Constitution-free zone.”
As I’ve noted before, the border enforcement regime supposedly intended to keep foreigners out can also be used to pen us in. Many conservatives — including some who apparently despise foreigners more than they cherish freedom — forgot that principle during the reign of Bush the Dumber. Perhaps their perspective will change now that Barack the Blessed is on the throne, and the walls are closing in.
Yeah, by all means let’s have more border enforcement. Because it’s not totalitarian enough already and doesn’t cost us enough money, right?
81 Don Grundmann // Dec 14, 2009 at 1:21 am
Paulie – Any police actions such as taken against Dr. Watts should be investigated completely and the police punished if found to be in deriliction of duty. Unfortunately there are ” bad apples ” in many professions, police and law enforcement included, that bring shame upon the profession when all of the other persons in it are diligently performing their duties. That being said the statements said against Chelene are still assinine and made by asses. If you want to find real violations of the rights of people crossing national borders then go to the southern border of Mexico where people attempting to enter from Central America are treated far worse ( and far more often ) than what Dr. Watts received. The bottom line is that not only is illegal immigration ILLEGAL but it is being used as a hammer against the working people of our nation as part of a comprehensive plan/attack to drive down wages. It hence is using the mexican people as pawns ( and also keeping them and their country as forever slaves to the corporate powers of America ) to economically attack the citizens of our nation. We are being played off against each other. When illegal immigration is stopped is when we can begin to put our own economic house in order in reducing the jobless rate and in stopping the collapse of wages for our working people. If you want to give the shaft to the middle class and working people of America then you will support illegal immigration. If not stopped now it will only get worse as time goes on – which is exactly what the corporate powers intend to happen. When you support illegal immigration you support those corporate powers in their enslaving of our nation, Mexico, and the world as a whole. Mexico will NEVER become a true and, especially, prosperous nation as long as it is essentially a colony of the U.S. and it will be a colony of the U.S. as long as illegal immigration continues.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
82 Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News // Dec 14, 2009 at 2:44 am
Respond to delusional Doctor Don Grundmann // Dec 14, 2009 :
Paulie – Any police actions such as a very large CHP officer being stationed full time at the Veterans Home of California – Barstow (with in two miles of the local CHP station) just to ride herd over disabled and abused veterans is just criminal. He also harasses anti management workers, even if they are on their own time!
When the inmates get so fed up that they, with their own funds, print critical news letters, then Yogi Bear follows the distributors and destroys what he can obtain. Those ‘go along types’ (including the ‘Allied Councils’) whom want to crank out lauditory news letters are allowed to use state office equipment and photo copiers. The are also unmolested by in house goons!
That being said, the statements said against Chelene are made by folks with personal experience and or multiple documentation. If she is so diligent, then why did the SOS site pretty much sit dormant for months ?????
83 Thomas L. Knapp // Dec 14, 2009 at 2:49 am
Mr. Grundman,
You write:
“In campaigning for political office there is a unofficial consideration that candidates should be temperate in their remarks but I am not.”
Ditto.
In reply to Paulie, you write:
“The bottom line is that not only is illegal immigration ILLEGAL”
No, it isn’t. Nowhere does the Constitution assign power to Congress to regulate immigration, and in fact specifically prohibited such a power to it in a certain respect (slaves) for a certain amount of time. After that time had expired, a Constitutional amendment might have empowered Congress to regulate immigration, but no such amendment has been ratified nor, to my knowledge, even proposed.
“it is being used as a hammer against the working people of our nation as part of a comprehensive plan/attack to drive down wages.”
You have it 180 degrees ass-backwards.
Capital, including human capital, tends to flow to where it can be most profitably invested (and, as Bastiat noted, when capital doesn’t cross borders, armies will).
It is RESTRICTIONS on immigration, not respecting the natural freedom thereof, which constitutes “comprehensive planning” to distort the labor market.
84 Don Lake .......... Other Non Domestic News // Dec 14, 2009 at 3:15 am
Deluded, anti science Grundmann, Don Lake would go ahead and give you an up date on the lack of activities at the SOS site *, but ………..
* “It may violate Wikipedia’s policy on biographies of living persons. Tagged since July 2009.
Save Our State (SOS) is an activist organization opposed to illegal immigration in Southern California. The group also has a chapter in Northern California. As of November 2009, the Saveourstate.org has become inactive and bears the message, “Saveourstate.org forums and website have been closed indefinitely.” The Northern California Chapter has since taken over direction of the organization.”
[The entire organization description had not one word on 'What's Her Face' ]
85 paulie // Dec 14, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Don Grundmann – please break up your paragraphs, I find paragraphs that long to be difficult to follow.
Unfortunately, such actions by border thugs are all too routine.
That in no way justifies what US border thugs do.
As Tom pointed out, it’s actually not. And even if it were, it shouldn’t be.
The above is economic ignorance of the highest order.
http://www.mercatus.org/MediaDetails.aspx?id=22554
Why restrict immigration at all? The Constitution and the laws of economics compel us to welcome all immigrants
Christian Science Monitor
June 7, 2007
Donald Boudreaux
Just in time for summer, the Senate is heating things up with immigration reform. The bill it’s debating aims to shore up border security and start some 12 million illegal aliens on the path to citizenship. Despite passionate disagreement, voices across the political spectrum concur on two points: They insist the federal government should do something about immigration, and they’re sure immigrants threaten American jobs.
People assert these claims as though they’re self-evident. But they aren’t, as even a basic understanding of the US Constitution and the principles of economics shows. And that means most of the premises about immigration are confused.
Real reform must build on the secure foundation of constitutional and economic truth – not on political talking points.
The US government has been tinkering with immigration law for decades now. Surveying the wreckage – heartbroken families, an underclass of exploited workers, and ruined lives – makes it clear why the Founding Fathers refused to trust the national government with power over immigrants.
That’s right: The Constitution does not authorize the federal government to control immigration. Nor does it say anything about illegal aliens. We looked for a clause with directions for ranking immigrants on a points system – another feature of the Senate’s reform bill – but we couldn’t find one.
Sadly, lawmakers have repeatedly interpreted this silence as license for ill-conceived legislation. Congress began barring entry to the nation in 1875 with prostitutes and convicts. Soon, all sorts of people fell short of congressional glory: ex-convicts in 1882, along with Chinese citizens, lunatics, and idiots. Paupers, polygamists, and people suffering from infectious diseases or insanity made the list in 1891, while the illiterate were banned in 1917.
The biggest spur to antiforeigner fervor is always the same: natives fear that newcomers will swipe their jobs. Take, for example, the 1889 Supreme Court case challenging the Chinese Exclusion Act. The Court upheld the exclusion because the Chinese had competed “with our artisans and mechanics, as well as our laborers in the field…. [Californians wanted] prompt action … to restrict their immigration.”
Why immigrants increase wages
It seems neither Californians nor the Court understood a fundamental principle of economics: the division of labor. Too bad they hadn’t read Adam Smith’s “Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Published in 1776, it explains how prosperity results from more workers and better specialization.
Suppose that 10 workers produce 20 chairs per week with each worker building a complete chair. Those same workers can produce many more chairs every week if they specialize.
When one worker saws the wood, another carves it into shape, and a third fastens the pieces, the total output rises dramatically. Greater specialization leads to greater production and greater prosperity. Adding another five workers to the original 10 multiplies the benefits.
It’s true that immigrants can temporarily reduce wages for Americans whose skills closely match theirs. But falling wages raise profits. And higher profits are the soil from which better wages grow.
Seeking those superior returns, investors bring more capital – more machines, expertise, stores, and new firms – while entrepreneurs learn to enhance employee output.
Specialization deepens. Workers’ productivity soars, forcing employers to compete for their time by offering higher pay. Immigrants actually increase wages in the long run.
For proof, look around. The US work-force has more than doubled since World War II, yet workers’ real total compensation (wages plus benefits) is higher now than ever. Notice that Manhattan’s employees make more money than Mississippi’s. If hordes of workers depressed wages, New York City’s crowds would earn far less than Mississippi’s few. But paychecks in Manhattan – even for unskilled workers – trump those of workers in sparsely populated Mississippi.
Given the talk about point systems, guest-worker programs, and fenced borders, you’d think immigration endangers America’s cultural and economic wealth. But just as the unhampered flow of goods and services – free trade – blesses participants, the easy flow of workers – free labor markets – also brings unprecedented prosperity.
By contrast, schemes to control immigrants hurt everyone, native or newcomer, and not just economically. Customs agents often abuse immigrants at the borders, but they also interrogate, search, and fine returning Americans.
Immigrants must produce the proper papers for bureaucrats’ inspection, but so do their American employers and landlords. And let’s not even think about the scary implications of the draconian Real ID Act.
As technology and globalization continue shrinking the world, people and ideas move more quickly and freely. Political borders become increasingly irrelevant. But that’s fine because the qualities that define Americans don’t depend on geography. Rather, it’s their history of liberty, pluck, ingenuity, optimism, and the pursuit of happiness. Culture is a matter of mind and spirit. Why entrust it to politicians, border guards, and green cards?
The ideal immigration policy for this smaller world would harmonize with both the Constitution and common decency. It wouldn’t deny anyone the inalienable right to come and go.
This freedom perishes under current immigration edicts – and so do people. The US Border Patrol estimates that almost 2,000 would-be Americans died along the US-Mexican border from 1998 to 2004, whether from drowning, exposure, car accidents, or violence.
And who can forget Elian Gonzalez, the tragic Cuban refugee? This little boy watched his mother and 10 other adults in their battered boat die at sea, largely because both US and Cuban laws forbid Cubans to immigrate here. We expect such tyranny from Fidel Castro – but from America’s supposedly free government?
If Congress seriously wants reform, it might begin by returning decisions on immigration to the individuals involved, in obedience to the Constitution’s Ninth and 10th Amendments.
But Congress will need to go further. Requiring taxpayers to subsidize immigrants’ healthcare, education, food, shelter, or anything else breeds resentment.
Plenty of private charities will extend a hand to newcomers, not to mention friends and families eager to help their countrymen adjust to American life.
In fact, so eager are these folks that only severe penalties discourage them: Maybe that’s why the House of Representatives in 2005 passed a bill threatening to imprison for up to five years anyone who “assists, encourages, directs, or induces [an alien] to reside in or remain in the United States.”
What do we do about the 12 million illegal immigrants already here? Apologizing for their poor welcome is a start. Then we can hire them, patronize their businesses, become friends. So long as we don’t control them, and they don’t expect our taxes to support them, goodwill should prevail on both sides.
Illegal immigration: a false concept
Laws labeling some people legal and others illegal aren’t just divisive, they’re unconstitutional.
Defending America’s integrity doesn’t mean more rules and stronger walls; it means seeing foreigners as free agents with all the dignity and autonomy we demand for ourselves.
These people often overcome unspeakable hardship to immigrate; why add to their sorrows by making it difficult for them to become Americans? Or by forcing them to buy their citizenship? Surely, the federal coffers are bloated enough that the government need not prey on the poor and vulnerable.
Remember, too, that these folks aren’t terrorists; they’re here to work. And many experts argue that the safest antiterror policy is to focus scarce resources on genuine threats rather than to try to screen potential terrorists at the borders.
The federal government has controlled immigration for more than a century now. During those years, it has violated the Constitution to oppress immigrants. It has ignored economic reality by implying that immigrants depress wages and steal jobs. Both tactics pit us against each other while boosting the government’s power.
Quota-wielding bureaucrats should not define the country’s demographic destiny. It’s time to let the free choices of millions of individuals determine America’s complexion.
And see my other comments at
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/03/chelene-nightingale-joins-the-constitution-party/
86 paulie // Dec 14, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I don’t support illegal immigration. I support making it legal.
I agree. Legalize it!
87 Don Grundmann // Dec 14, 2009 at 7:22 pm
” That being said, the statements said against Chelene are made by folks with personal experience and or multiple documentation. ”
Response – They are assinine statements made by know-nothing nitwits or outright supporters of corruption and/or the end of the Republic. There is no ” documentation ” except in their bizarre imagination. Chelene Nightingale is the best candidate to fight for and defend the citizens in the coming election.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
88 Don Grundmann // Dec 14, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Paulie – Many comments to make regarding your comment #85 above but the first to be made is that to satisfy the desires of the writer, and presumably yourself, we can just totally forget the borders of the United States and be absorbed into the global New World Order. Then those pesky borders which get in the way of your utopian theories will be gone and the ability of everyone in the world to come here immediately and get a job will be realized. You could also then confront reality as it replaced ” utopia ” ( as epitomized by your woodworking example above ) when 500 woodworkers compete for every woodworking job. Why would employer ” A ” offer $10/hour to a woodworker from here when he can get a woodworker from Outer Mongolia to work for .01 cents/hour? So you can have your utopia while the workers of our nation starve. In the world of fantasy which has become reality we get to send them our printed paper ( Federal Reserve Notes ) in exchange for actual products ( shoes, textiles, toys, and only God knows how much more both now and especially in the future ) which we no longer make because of the processes involved in and represented by your essay example including smearing and defeating economic nationalism. To refresh your memory the U.S. became the greatest industrial nation on earth via tariffs which protected our domestic industry from the economic warfare of ” free trade ” via Britain which could and would undercut our domestic industries with below price government subsidized goods in order to defeat us economically. Just as ” free trade ” now is being used to destroy our domestic industry and manufacturing. Of course theory sounds so much better.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
89 Don Lake .......... More Ex Officio // Dec 14, 2009 at 8:05 pm
The wikipeadia post speaks for the real rational scientific world ………..
Don Lake confesses,
“yes, yes, yes, I may hate Democans and Republicrats, but I am [not so secretively] a misguided agent for the destruction of the American Experiment and an enemy of personal and cultural freedom every where.
While Doctor Grundmann has been an off beat and off kilter political [P2004] earlier he has, as an anti scientific medical practitioner, evolved [my bad] into the most sane individual on the planet.
With guiding lights like Grundmann [and Quirk] can the Bible Thumpers and their intrusive insults on secular politics do any thing but soar like eagles ?????????
Lake: you heard it here first, like his lies in P2008, you can expect his choices NOT to be on the California ballot in October/ November 2010! Ed Noonan and Alan Keyes do not need any better allies that Doctor Gear Loose and Captain Quirk!
And the ‘dynamic’ do nothing semi candidate Chelene Nightingale whom can not even maintain a web site ………..
90 Don Lake .......... More Ex Officio // Dec 14, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Per Doctor Gear Loose:
.01 cents/hour? —— cents ?????? mills ?????
trirade on international politics: which like much of Gear Loose’s opinions on Monopoly Money, ‘free trade’ verses fair trade, I agree with, —- has not one mention of the USA being one of only three nations, including Libya, using the archaic British Imperial Non Metric measuring system.
Ah what a guiding light! And this guy has a terminal degree ????
91 Don Lake .......... More Ex Officio // Dec 14, 2009 at 8:31 pm
limited use in India, Malaysia, South Africa and Hong Kong. Real estate agents continue to use acres and square feet to describe area in conjunction with hectares and square metres[citation needed].
Measurements in feet and inches, especially for a person’s height, are frequently met in conversation and non-governmental publications.
Towns and villages in Malaysia with no proper names had adopted the mile (known also as batu in Malay) to denote their locations along a rural main road (i.e., “3rd Mile”, “Batu Enam” or “Batu 11″); many of their names remain unchanged even after the adoption of the metric system for distance in the country.
Petrol/gasoline is still sold by the imperial gallon in Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, Burma, Grenada, Guyana, Sierra Leone and the United Arab Emirates [Lake: and the USA]
Lake: America, the once mightiest industrial power on the planet, with a work force too lazy to use a more scientific, more logical, easier system ……
92 Mik Robertson // Dec 14, 2009 at 9:01 pm
The US doesn’t use the imperial gallon, for the sale of gasoline, anyhow.
93 paulie // Dec 14, 2009 at 10:06 pm
@ 88
Sorry, don’t have the patience to slog through another overly long paragraph.
94 Davi Rodrigues // Dec 17, 2009 at 2:38 am
Hello All,
I am Davi Rodrigues, current CEO of Save Our State, a California non-profit corp.
I would like to make a few clarifications, and….accept the offer from whomever stated they’d debate him on Chelene Nightingale. I worked with and for Nightingale during my time at Save Our State, and think I’m quite qualified to speak on the issues, as well as having documentation to support my statements and claims.
One thing I would like to make perfectly clear, if you’ll pardon my Nixonesque, and that is after Nightingale took the helm of Save our State, we suffered the heaviest casulties ever, losing almost all of our members. Under what passed as her leadership, we seemed to spend most of our energy trying to dance around her mood swings, bizarre edicts, and megalomania. In the end, she turned on the lot of us, and then the organization itself in an attempt to disperse what was left so that none would regroup and recount what she had done. In addition, she had several years of information, data, and individual posting contributions that were at the core of our organizational efforts silenced and removed from public view so as not to be a true record of her past.
Fortunately though, we have begun to regroup. Save Our State rose from the ashes of her arson, and is healing old divisions and rebuilding our foundation. One of the first decisions made by the new management was that Nightingale would never be allowed back in any official capacity again.
Save Our State was never supposed to be a political organization. We were a charitable 501C3, and therefore we have no interest in supporting or opposing her candidacy or any other. What we do have support for is to see that all facts and information are stated correctly and distributed freely.
So once again I would like to accept the offer to debate the Nightingale issue, and in person would be my preference.
95 Don Grundmann // Dec 19, 2009 at 12:11 am
Mr. Rodrigues – I will be happy to debate you in person. Of course the logistics of such occurance will take time to develop but please contact me at STOPtheIRS@hotmail.com regarding your time and location preferences.
That being said I must note that while I have never met you in person and I hope that I am completely wrong my first knowledge of you came not from your above note ( # 94 ) but through the mention of your name by Mark Seidenberg. The plain fact is that Mark Seidenberg is a psychotic and sociopathic liar who is absolutely incapable of telling the truth in any circumstance. Additionally Chelene Nightingale has been viciously attacked by unbelieveable commentaries upon her which I would never have imagined possible except for my knowledge of their source – the corruption of Mark Seidenberg, Mark Robinson, Ed Noonan, Tom Hoefling, and Alan Keyes; a gang of ultra corrupt liars who have attacked the American Independent Party. This criminal gang, who deliberately filed false documents with the Secretary of State office, will do ANYTHING neccessary to protect and continue their criminal actions. As Chelene Nightingale is the candidate of the REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction of the party, they hence automatic attack her with attacks which can only come from the lowest of the beyond low scum of humanity; i.e.; attacking her family, photoshopping nude pictures of her, calling her a whore, etc. Actions which words cannot describe as only the lowest possible scum piece of walking feces could possibly do such vile actions. But of course for the corrupt gang of Robinson/Seidenberg they are everyday actions. So, Mr. Rodrigues, when you are mentioned by Mark Seidenberg, one of the most corrupt people in the nation, as a ” source ” and when you then show up to attack Chelene I am sure that you can appreciate my saying that the chances that you are NOT a rat for hire are virtually zero and lower. But I hope that I am wrong and that you will show me the error of such thinking. I hope that a independent analysis can show that you have no ties to the corruption of Robinson/Seidenberg et al. Please forgive my first impression that due to such perceived ties I take your commentary at first glance as a total fake which exaggerates or just plain lies in any and all situations possible in order to achieve its REAL purpose – the continuation of the Robinson/Seidenberg crime syndicate.
As additional commentary I note that the true basis of the movement to stop illegal immigration has NO racism; a charge which is continually thrown at the movement to smear it and detract from the real issues which it raises. That being said I know that unfortunately there really are actual racists in the movement who wish to steer the movement from its pure purposes to their own racist aims. Hence one reason for ” membership to go down ” ( as you claim ) can be that Chelene confronted such evil within the movement and worked to ” clean house ” with the result being that those so cleaned out now join with sick psycopaths such as Mark Seidenberg for revenge. Just a personal theory but based upon a foundation of reality. Similarly I have found that the movement to stop illegal immigration for the survival of the nation has unfortunately been attacked by a criminal gang which has, and still is doing so, siphoned off untold amounts of fund raised cash for its own corrupt purposes with little knowledge of this by a well meaning public which has sent its hard earned funds to save the nation rather than to feed a criminal enterprise. It is a fact that the candidacy of Chelene Nightingale stands for many wonderful things in defense of our nation and our future. It is also a threat to this ongoing criminal enterprise. I would hope that you are not a shill/mouthpiece for such evil.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
P.S. – I have documented the criminality of Robinson/Seidenberg at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com
96 Davi Rodrigues // Dec 19, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Mr Grundmann,
I have no interest in furthering the interests of any specific political party or faction thereof, and that includes the legitimacy of them. That is the realm of PAC’s and other corporate entities. SOS is chaptered as a non-profit, and a non-profit’s task is aimed at supporting the rights of individuals and making sure they have access to information in an unbiased, unrestricted manner. The information I would like to give everyone access to is not meant to influence anyone to vote a certain way, or for a particular candidate. I am interested in making sure that everyone in California has access to information that may been previously restricted or otherwise suppressed, because they are entitled to it. What they choose to do or think about it is up to them.
I have not seen any of the photoshopped pictures you mentioned, and I don’t want to really. Sexual innuendo is not something we support either. Along with that goes racial preferences or exclusions.
I will contact you at the address you gave, and look forward to organizing an educational forum for California citizens in your area.
Sincerely,
Davi Rodrigues
97 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm
It looks as though your offer to debate anyone on the Nightingale issue was not really pure, and that has pretty much been Nightingales stance as well, so it is apparent to me that there’s little you or her have to dispute with the facts as we present them anyway.
98 Don Lake .......... More Libs Lacking a Lib Perspective // Jan 1, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Told ya so, told ya so, told ya so ……….
99 Don Grundmann // Jan 1, 2010 at 9:59 pm
” Davi Rodrigues // Jan 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm
It looks as though your offer to debate anyone on the Nightingale issue was not really pure, and that has pretty much been Nightingales stance as well, so it is apparent to me that there’s little you or her have to dispute with the facts as we present them anyway.”
Response – Mr. Rodrigues : As I have mentioned in our private correspondence I will be reaching out to our various members to organize a ” debate ” at a time which will probably occur minimally in mid-March at best and after due to the rigorous work which our party will be doing to that time period in preparing for our electoral campaigns in the coming election cycle. Don’t expect me to change my strong suspicion of your actions being motivated by the corruption forces of Robinson/Seidenberg when you go on this forum and make a assinine comment as above. I am sick of such B.S. from you or anyone else. I am more than willing to confront your attack upon Chelene. I have indicated such in our correspondence yet you then pull a stunt as quoted above. I have had enough of the corruption faction of the AIP and their fool supporters such as Don Lake attacking Chelene and indeed anyone on our side with no substantiation but with unbelievably evil actions as with the photoshopped pictures which I referred to. If you are going to use this forum to spout B.S. as above I will not waste my time with you as you will simply post nonsense as above which feed idiots like Don Lake in their associated attacks upon Chelene with no knowledge of anything regarding the true situation that will continue irregardless of any facts, be they 1 or i million, which contradict their fantasy. If you are serious then we can have a debate. If you are simply here to put out crap like Lake then you can keep on doing that and forget the debate.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
100 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 2, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I have stated here, and in email that it is true debate I want. I didn’t hear back from you, so that is why I posted that. Since SOS is a non-profit public benefit corp, it is likely that we will organize some candidate forums for California voters, but without taking sides on candidates. If you would like to participate in the one here in Northern California, you are most welcome. I’ll post the venue here after we secure everything.
101 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 9, 2010 at 2:34 am
The offer is a great idea. Dr. Grundmann is not an
officer of the AIP. He is only a member of the State Central Committee. He did show for the Convention on July 5, 2008. He was not ewlleced to anything that I now of on June 6 2008 as he
posted, because there was no meeting. This is the
third date Dr. Grundmann has claimed on posts
of his bogus election as a Vice Chairman. As of
the last post by Dr. Grundmann he claims he was
elected Vice Chairman on June 6, 2008, June 27,
2008 and June 29, 2008. These posting by Dr.
Grundmann will show to any judge that all Dr.
Grundmann can do is issue disinformation statements.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.
102 Don Grundmann // Jan 9, 2010 at 3:40 am
The corruption of Mark Seidenberg is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. I will be glad to go before any judge and prove conclusively that not only am I the duly and properly elected Vice-Chairman of the American Independent Party but that Mark Seidenberg deliberately filed false documents with the Secretary of State office as part of a criminal fraud action against the state. I will demonstrate these facts and many more regarding the complete corruption of Mark Seidenberg and Mark Robinson at any public forum. They are both extremely corrupt outright liars.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
103 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 9, 2010 at 10:02 am
I am sorry for the spelling errors in post #101. It
was posted very early in the morning. What I was
trying to say is that Dr Don Grundmann needs a
new handle, viz., “three dates Don”, because on
posts he made since 2008 he asseverates that he
was elected to the office of Vice Chairman in June,
2008 of the American Independent Party in Los
Angeles, when in fact he was elected to nothing,
“Three dates Don” gave on his posts that he was
“elected” Vice Chairman on either June 6, 2008,
June 27, 2008, or June 29, 2008. He was elected
to nothing in 2008.
In fact he lost posts in 2008. His term as a National Committeeman ended on September
2, 2008 and he was removed from the office
of Area Director earlier that year, by the then AIP
Chairman Ed Noonan.
“Three date Don” Grundmann did attend the 2008 AIP State Convention in the Auditorium
of the California Secretary of State Building,
Sacramento, California, on July 5, 2008. I was
elected that AIP Convention’s chairman. He was
a delegate to that convention. According to the
California Elections Code the only location for
a AIP convention and organizating state central
committee is in Sacramento.
On January 13, 2010, there will be a meeting of
the AIP State Central Committee at the request
of Elliott S. Graham and called by Chairman Markham Robinson, the issue at that meeting
will be if the AIP will have rules that allow “modified closed primary election” in 2010.
It is my understanding that Charles Deemer and
Elliott S. Graham in Los Angeles County have
a disagreement if the 2010 primary should be
open or closed. Therefore, AIP Chairman Markham Robinson will conduct the State Central Committee meeting so the rule issue can be determined.
I was elected for my current term as Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party on
July 6, 2008, which began on September 3, 2008.
“Three Dates Don” Grundmann has not posted
his views on the issue on the 2010 primary election. Does he want to let electors that decline
to state a party affiliation either voting in or sign
signatures in lieu petitions?
Background history on January 10, 2006, a former Chairman of the AIP provided disinformation to the California Secretary of State
that the State Central Committee early in the year
2006, viz. between January 1 and January 10, 2006 created rules under Senate Bill 28 that allowed electors that decline to state a political
party at registration to vote in that primary.
The AIP State Central Committee did not meet
during that period, so their were no rules as
Chairman Nancy claimed in that January 10,
2006 letter of disinformation to the California
Secretary of State.
Let “Three Dates Don” Grundmann post his view
here. Does he want to collected signatures in lieu
of the fee? If so, does he want the number
to be 150 or 10,000?
It has been some time since “Three Dates Don” asked about the work product. When will he pay
the $1,000 for that work product he wants?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
104 libertariangirl // Jan 9, 2010 at 10:40 am
HMmmmm , who to believe , who to believe??
The guy who sounds measured , professional and articulate or the dude who thinks a website is proof positive and that they teach fisting in schools to elementary school kids??
this is what ya call a NO-BRAINER .LOL
105 Don Grundmann // Jan 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Libertariangirl – The teaching of fisting is ultra documented. You simply put up your screed because such teaching exposes the bankruptcy; i.e.; sickness; of your personal ideology which supports the homosexual movement in its attacks upon children. I will make a $1,000 bet with you that the teaching of fisting as I have written of did occur. I have more than enough proof and documentation to back me up. Will you take me up on the bet? I say you will not because, as with all defenders of homosexual perversion, you are a gutless coward who will write as you did above in a attempt to disparage the information; i.e.; proof; which is readily available to any THINKING or, especially and far more importantly, HONEST person; i.e.; not a liar. Instead you cling to your sick ideology which supports such attacks and then disparage the facts which you cannot refute. So typical of you.
Mark Seidenberg – We will beat your so-called ” work product;” i.e.; proof of your corruption; out of you via the upcoming lawsuits and trials.
P.S. – You are both spiritually related in that you are both cowards.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
106 Don Lake .......... More for Lib Grrl // Jan 10, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Like ‘deform’ reform party ‘gypsies, tramps and thieves’ John Blare, John Coffey, and Valli Sharpe Giesler, tred care fully with Doctor Goo Goo!
You may win the bet and then spend fruitless hours hunting down your money. This guy was out there, but semi reasonable, in 2004.
We are talking ’bout a guy whom claims to be the vice chair of an empty chair. Some folks have only one foot on the realities of our planet. Grundmann, on a good day, has a couple of toes.
Tred carefully and good luck!
107 Don Lake .......... More for Lib Grrl // Jan 10, 2010 at 2:39 pm
and Davi Rodrigues:
at least Doctor Goo Goo
[www.chiro.ca.gov]
has not offered to slap
your face ——- yet!
108 LibertarianGirl // Jan 10, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Grundman right on cue , so predictable , thanks for the laugh!
109 Troll Police // Jan 10, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Don Lake is a troll. Smart Libertarians don’t feed trolls.
110 Don Lake .......... More // Jan 10, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Well prove me wrong. Dispute my multi respondent or direct contact observations.
Prove me to be a liar instead of painting a’red herring’ with a five inch brush.
I noticed that you do not complain when I blast the ‘gypsies tramps and thieves’ of the deform movement. And you pointed me out ‘a la solo’ in a line up with Grundmann, Captain Cory Quirk, Milne, TC, TLC, ect.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
111 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 10, 2010 at 5:19 pm
” THREE DATES DON” has not stated how he got elected on three dates in the same month of
June, 2008 to the same office in a bogas cabal,
viz., June 6, June 27, and June 29 in Los Angeles,
when the American Independent Party State Central Committee had its election on July 6,
2008 in the Secratary of State Building’s Auditorium in Sacramento.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
112 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 10, 2010 at 5:43 pm
I have no idea if “THREE DATES DON” plan to attended the AIP state central committee meeting on Janauary 13, 2010. Nor do I know if he what’s the same thing that Charles Deemer wants, viz, open primary in June, 2010.
There is a dispute in Los Angeles County between Charles Deemer and Elliott Graham
over the issue of a primary being open or closed.
Markham Robinson, Chairman of the American
Independent Party has called the members of the AIP State Central Committee to try to end the dispute.
We have no idea as to where “THREE DATES DON” stands on the issue. Does he want to let
electors that have declined to state a party
affliation sign signature in lieu petitions or not.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
113 Don Grundmann // Jan 11, 2010 at 1:18 am
” LibertarianGirl // Jan 10, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Grundman right on cue , so predictable , thanks for the laugh!”
Response – So predictable that LibertarianGirl is a coward. Can’t back up what you say because of the Mt. Everest of proof that shows you wrong. Why don’t you just be honest and ” come out of the closet?” Just admit what the homosexual movement won’t admit ( until after it achieves pervert marriage ) – that in your belief it’s perfectly OK to molest children. Remember that according to you only ” right -wing religious bigots ” or those who are ” homophobic ” will oppose child molestation. Any opposition to child molestation is obviously ” religious bigotry.” You make your sneer comments but you don’t have the guts to 1) admit how wrong you are or 2) say what your real intentions/beliefs are. So typical. So pathetic. So cowardly.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
114 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 11, 2010 at 11:02 am
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is not and
never has been a Vice Chairman of the American
Independent Party. The last office he held was
that of a National Committeeman and that ended on September 2, 2008. He is on the
American Independent Party State Central
Committee by my records (which is part of
a work product and the copy price as Dr.
Grundmann agreed to was $1,000.00.).
“THREE DATES DON” was removed by former
AIP Chairman Ed Noonan as an Area Director
early in 2008. In fact Ed Noonan is currently
running for U. S. Senate in the AIP primary
in June, 2010.
There will be a meeting of the AIP State Central
Committee on January 13, 2010. The issue for
that meet are rules or no-rules under the terms
of SB28, viz., closed or open primary. If open
to what extent? First question does a person
running for a statewide office within the AIP
primary want to use the 5% rule or under 5%
rule. That question alone would mean the
difference between 150 signatures in lieu to
10,000 signatures in lieu.
My guess is “THREE DATES DON” does not
care, because he has a large war chest. So he
will just be required to pay the filing fee and have no signatures in lieu other than his own.
He will still need to get 65 to 99 other good signatures (plus his own) to run for office
statewide.
In April, 2008, “THREE DATES DON” at the
Constitution Party Convention in Kansas City,
within the California delegation during the
first pole for president received only one vote,
viz., Dr. Grundmann voted for himself. None
of the California Delegates other than “THREE
DATES DON” voted for voted for Grundmann as a choice for President in that first pole.
Even James King voted for Alan Keyes in Kansas
City. In fact 80% of the California Delegation
backed Alan Keyes for President of the United State at the Kansas City Convention of the Constitution Party.
The AIP State Central Committee meeting on
January 13, 2010 was called because Elliott
S. Graham was in a dispute with Charles Deemer
over the issue of a closed or open primary.
Markham Robinson, Chairman of the AIP
called the State Central Committee because
Elliott Graham was the only elected member of
the Los Angeles County Central Committee and
it never got organized in 2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
115 LibertarianGirl // Jan 11, 2010 at 11:41 am
Grundman , I followed the links you provided for proof long ago
to me , they did NOT pass the proof test. apparently we have very different standards for disseminating truth and bullshit
116 Don Grundmann // Jan 11, 2010 at 10:03 pm
LibertarianGirl – Proof test??? It either happened or it did not. Yes or No. The ” proof ” is that it happened exactly as I have reported. MassResistance.org has it all documented. It is called FACTS; something you are allergic to. You are right that we do have different standards. I disseminate the truth and you disseminate the bullshit.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
117 Don Grundmann // Jan 11, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Mr. Robinson- In regard to your notification regarding a claimed American Independent Party Central Committee meeting on the phone I write to inform you of the following -
By your criminal act of the deliberate filing in June 2008 of falsified documentation with the California Secretary of State office you initiated a process of criminal fraud and conspiracy accompanied by actions by which you have falsely claimed and assumed the Chairmanship of the American Independent Party. As the properly and lawfully elected Vice-Chairman of the American Independent Party and additionally in my capacity as a member of the legal Central Committee of the Party I hereby notify you that I will be physically attending the false and fraudulent January 13th ” meeting ” at your house ( as noted in Ballot Access News ) to document your attempt to continue your criminal conspiracy and actions. I will be accompanied by persons willing to act as witnesses to your criminal actions who will subsequently testify in both current active and future court actions regarding your criminal conduct. I will also be bringing appropriate audio and video recording devices so that a record of your criminal actions will be made for appropriate and truthful documentation. As you have assumed the office of ” Chairman ” of the Party by personal and conspiratorial criminal actions of fraud and deception any ” meeting ” which you attempt to hold will be illegal and an attempt to continue to advance your criminal conspiracy. As the legally elected Vice-Chairman of the American Independent Party I note that your ” meeting ” is an illegal and blatant attempt to advance your criminal actions through the usage of the Party. Any attempt to continue with such actions will lead directly to litigation regarding yourself and your associated conspirators. Any participants in your false and fraudulent ” meeting ” will, as you, also be open to litigation and prosecution regarding their actions in furtherance of your criminal conspiracy and actions. I will be notifying any participants of your ” meeting ” that their actions can be considered to be in advancement of a criminal conspiracy and can hence subject them to legal action.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
118 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 12, 2010 at 12:29 am
Should the handle of “THREE DATES DON” be
changed to “EMPEROR NORTON II” or just
“EMPEROR NORTON THE MEAN”. Does
this mean that Dr. Grundmann will be going
on progress, to Vacaville to visit his brother
at you no where. Will the authorities let him out to be your witness.
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann, is not
the Vice Chairman of the American Independent
Party. He hold no office in the party. He is just
a member of the State Central Committee.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
119 LibertarianGirl // Jan 12, 2010 at 1:16 am
Mark , while I appreciate your obvious superiority to the lunatic Grundman , how is it that such a man could even be a member of a state committee??
Seriously , if I ever were considering a switch to the AIP or Constitution Parties , the fact that such a man was in any official capacity would mean an automatic no .
With any luck , you all will be rid of him next timea vote comes round.
Good luck with that , we have our lunatics in the LP as well , and they reflect just as badly.
120 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 12, 2010 at 5:13 am
To LibertarianGirl:
The California Election Code gave a delegate spots to anyone that wins the primary elections. If no one other ran for a congressional office in a party primary other than “THREE DATES DON”, viz., the US Senate in 2006, he would be a delegate to the convention.
In 2006, James King was picked as Chairman of
the Creditials Committee. He seated Dr. Grundmann. At the September 3, 2006 State
Central Committee meeting Dr. Grundmann ran
for a seat on the National Committee. We had
more spots open on the National Committee than persons to fill them. Being on the National
Committee required you to attend meetings
of the Constitution Party at you own expense
all over the United States. Dr. Grundmann was
well fixed, so he could attend.
Since he received more votes for the office of
President in the 2008 primary election, he arrived in Kansas City in April 2008 thinking he would win the presidential spot. He had
more money to spend than the other three that
run in the primary election.
I was elected head of the California Delegation
to the 2008 Convention of the Constitution Party. Early in the process Charles Deemer
(the party Treasurer ) and I took a poll of the
California Delegation), 80% of the delegation
were backing Dr. Alan Keyes for President.
Don Grundmann had only one vote (his own)
and he could not get anyone in the delegation
to support him for President.
Alan Keyes is Grundmann main person to attack
because he got 80% of the California delegation
and would not debate him. Dr. Keyes does no
even what to have a conversation with Dr.
Grundmann.
After Grundmann could no get vote two from
California or any other state delegation he endorsed Dr. Chuck Baldwin and withdrew
from the race. Then he went on a verbal attack
of the delegates to the convention and started
calling them names from the bible and statements like “I will dance on your grave”,
“I will pray every day you will die and go to
hell”, “30 pieces of silver” and etc.
Then Dr. Grundmann started to make anti-Black
statements against Dr. Keyes. Next come the
website attacking Dr. Keyes and the officers
in the party.
Because of that and other reasons Chairman Ed
Noonan removed Dr. Grundmann as the Area
Director for the party in the East Bay area after
the Kansas City Convention.
Dr. Grundmann started to claim he was the “Vice-Chairman” elected in June, 2008 at
the 2008 Convention of the American Independent Party at the Auditorium of the
California Secretary of State Building in Sacramento on July 5, 2008. He started to yell
from the floor attacks like the one’s he made in
Kansas City. I was the elected Chairman of that
Convention and let Grundmann speak even though he was out of order. After he finished
Dr. Grundmann left the auditorium and the
Convention choice Dr. Alan Keyes for President
& Dr. Wiley Drake for Vice President.
I hope this addresses some of your inquiries. Other than that all I can say I meet Dr. Ron Paul
in the 1980’s in California once, and enjoyed
his speech. I am a libertarian (small “l”), but
I had a dispute the some of the LP party leadership in 1972, over the issue of abortion,
viz., they were pro-choice and I believe a child
is its own person from the time it has its own
DNA.
I and most of the party leadership are Austrian
in economics. Most of us have read Human Action. I have attended lectures of Von Mises
so you can tell I have been an active libertarian
for a long time. I hope you will consider joining
the party if you are in California or the District
of Columbia. Other than that please have a good
year. Please reply if you have any other questions.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
121 Don Lake .......... More // Jan 12, 2010 at 5:16 am
LibertarianGirl // Jan 12, 2010:
” ……. the lunatic Grundman[n] , how is it that such a [hu]man could even be a member of a [small party] state committee?? ………”
Lake: much less a medical practitioner ……….
122 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 12, 2010 at 5:59 am
To: “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann:
Markham Robinson is the Chairman of the American Independent Party. He was elected
on July 6, 2008 and took office on September 3,
2008. He was elected chairman for a two year
period. The party by-laws and election code
gives Chairman Robinson the right to call meetings of the State Central Committee.
If you had showed up for the State Central Committee in Sacramento, CA on July 6,
2008, you would have witnessed a fair
and open election of Mr. Robinson as chairman.
Why not be a good little man and stay at home
or go to a library an enter the meeting via a computer. Your personal presents is not needed
at the State Central Committee meeting on January 13, 2010.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
123 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 12, 2010 at 10:25 am
TO Don Lake:
I remember when I was a student at the UCLA in the (graduate) School of Education a professor
told me the following in a class on Community
College Adminstration that if a person can not do
the requirements of their job well they become
a Community College Instructor on that subject and hang around to become a Professor. If they can’t make it as a Professor they go to USC School of Law and become a lawyer. If they then can’t practice law they will become the
Director of the USC School of Law with a large donation to USC from his mother.
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann claims he
is the Director of the San Francisco Bay Area
Freedom Law School. That must be the place
he picked up his legalese by his posted #117 reaction to being invited to attend an AIP State Central Committee meeting.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
124 LibertarianGirl // Jan 12, 2010 at 11:18 am
Mark , thank you , that explains alot!
you have a good year as well , and your party is lucky to have you I can tell .
peace and respect to you and yours.
Debra Dedmon
Vice Chair
Clark County NV LP
AtLarge Rep LPNevada
125 LibertarianGirl // Jan 12, 2010 at 11:19 am
ok this is a dumb question for a politico like me but could someone tell me the difference and/or connection between the AIP and the IAP ( which is what we have in NV, most notable member Janine Hansen)
126 Don Grundmann // Jan 12, 2010 at 12:50 pm
LibertarianGirl – I note that you don’t have the guts to admit that you are wrong regarding the teaching of fisting to school students. You call me names and make comments about every other subject but you are gutless regarding my exposure of the truth that you do not comment because my exposure of the truth attacks your basic belief system which supports the attack upon the children. When will you ” come out of the closet ” and admit your support of the teaching of fisting to students? I say that, as shown so well by your recent comments, you will NEVER have the guts; i.e; you are a coward. Just stating the facts.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
127 Don Grundmann // Jan 12, 2010 at 12:54 pm
” you have a good year as well , and your party is lucky to have you I can tell . peace and respect to you and yours.”
Response – From one corrupt and cowardly person to another. One of the most corrupt people in the nation being praised by LibertarianGirl. Birds of a feather flock together. No surprise here. They are totally in harmony.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
128 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 12, 2010 at 1:16 pm
TO: LibertarianGirl:
First, Janine Hanson should be able to answer this question better than I can, because these
events happened at a time when I was waisting
my time on the Republican Party in the California Young Republicans College Federation (CYRCF) in 1967-1968. I was working at the time in MaxRafferty campaign for United States Senate in California. The AIP party founders Mr. & Mrs. Shearer both liked Max Rafferty also. At that time both the AIP
and IAP were formed. Janine Hansen late older
brother Daniel name the Nevada Party the IAP
while Mrs. Shearer picked the name AIP for the
California Party.
Currently since June 27, 2008 there is no formal
connect between California and Nevada parties, although leaders of both parties are friends.
THREE DATES DON was the only member of the California National Committee in the Tampa
meeting that attacked the IAP of Nevada from
the floor. Nevada and California are sister states. If Dr. Grundmann had his way he would
start a war with Nevada over the issue of Pautah
County again. For the history buffs California and Nevada was at war in the 19th century on
boundary disputes. In fact Carson City was once
the county seat of Pautah County under its former name of Carsonville.
Wm Shearer wrote about the long connection between the California and Nevada parties on
.
Please reply to me if you have any question.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
129 Don Grundmann // Jan 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm
From: mark@masterplanner.com
To: stoptheirs@hotmail.com
CC: gkreep@sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: AIP STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE MEETING
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:02:44 -0800
Dear Don,
This is an online meeting and not at my house. Given your evident hostility and public physical threats to me I do not welcome you to my house and warn you that if you attempt to harass me you will experience legal consequences. You will shortly be sent a notice of the sign-in information to the online and voice conference portions of the meeting. We try to treat everyone fairly despite their attitude. Here I think you have gone over the line though.
RE: AIP STATE CENTRAL COMMITTEE MEETING?
From: Don Grundmann (stoptheirs@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tue 1/12/10 5:15 PM
To: mark@masterplanner.com
Mr. Robinson – As noted by Ballot Access News there is indeed a physical meeting at your house. I have additionally been informed of a circulating e-mail ( although to this moment I have not personally seen it ) that everyone EXCEPT Chairman King and myself was invited to your house if they could so attend. Hence your public pronouncement of a ” online meeting ” is yet another in a long and continuing series of deceptions which you have initiated and performed in support of your criminal actions and conspiracy. I am indeed hostile to you, as I am to any criminal and their corruption, since you are part of a criminal conspiracy against the American Independent Party and are using the Party to advance your criminal objectives. You are NOT the Chairman of the Party as you have attained and presumed such post by fraud and deceit inclusive of the deliberate and conspiratorial filing of false documentation with a government agency. I invite you to sue me, and in fact look forward to it, for whatever you like as such suit would involve the process known as ” discovery ” – a process which would fully expose your criminality and of which you are, rightfully, deathly afraid of. I will be at your house not to harass you, as I never do such, but simply to expose and document your continued criminal activity and actions. Of course to criminals exposure of their crimes IS ” harrassment.” Not only is your ” meeting ” illegal but I am well aware of your past, and future intended, usage of ” online/phone ” Central Committee ” meetings ” to advance your criminal agenda and conspiracy. My witnesses and I will arrive at your home to document the continuance of your criminal activity. As I am a legally elected member of the State Central Committee, in addition to being the legally elected Vice-Chairman of the Party, your refusal to grant me entry to your fraudulent and fake ” meeting ” will be appropriately documented as evidence for both currently active and future developing legal remedies to be pursued in the halting of your criminal conspiracy.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C., M.H., C.C.S.P., C.C.E.P., FICPA
425 E. Merle Ct., San Leandro, CA. 94577 San Leandro, Ca. 94577
Director – San Francisco Bay Area Freedom Law School
Director – American Warrior Ministry AmericanWarriorMinistry.org
2010 Candidate for United States Senate TRUTHUSA.ORG
Vice-Chairman American Independent Party; Constitution Party CA affiliate
Constitution Party National Committee member
Office – 510-8956789 STOPtheIRS@aol.com STOPtheIRS@hotmail.com
130 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 13, 2010 at 12:05 am
Hate to interrupt everyone, but there’s an Email in circulation bringing up an issue as to whether Chelena Nightingale can be a candidate for Governor or not due to her not having a full year as an AIP member?
Can anyone confirm or refute this?
131 Don Lake .......... More // Jan 13, 2010 at 1:41 am
2004, 2006, 2008, 2010: AIP as the ‘traveling salvation show’ …………
A vice chair filling an empty chair
‘Sure fire’ candidates that do not make it all the way to the ballot.
film script, print deal, comic book [graphic novel] ……… the drama goes on and on ………
132 Don Grundmann // Jan 13, 2010 at 3:05 am
Mr. Rodrigues – The e-mail in question was circulated under one of the many pen names of Mark Seidenberg as he is too cowardly to write his own name and wants to give the impression of far more supporters than he could ever dream of. It was yet another in the never ending stream of lies produced by him and has no basis in reality. Chelene will be on the ballot under the AIP banner.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
133 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 13, 2010 at 1:21 pm
TO Davi:
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann can not stop
giving out disinformation. I write under my own
name only. I am informed that other unknown person has used my name on posts without right.
I am informed that Chelene Nightingale was flagged by the Los Angeles County Registrar
of voters, because she has not been an elector
in the American Independent Party for one
year. Which is a requirement of the California
Election Code.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
134 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 13, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Tonight the AIP State Central Committee will vote on issues relating to SB 28. “THREE DATES DON” will have to attend on line the
meeting by internet, because none of the AIP
officers want him in our homes.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
135 Don Lake .......... More Insanity from Grundmann // Jan 13, 2010 at 3:05 pm
As a FORMER Doctor Donald J. Grundmann advocate and supporter I can not blame them. As off beat as he was in 2004 he is literally ’slipping off the planet’ and should removed from certified medical practice.
I have no problem with his [protected] political views and believes, but
[a] specifically, his anti science bent as a medical practitioner [what next, loin cloth, war mask, and 'Ugga Bugga' chants ???????]
[b] specifically, his proclivity to violence
[c] generally, his lessening and lessening grasp of reality and the real world
136 Don Grundmann // Jan 13, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Dumb Shit Don Lake – Your reference to ” anti-science ” is in reference to my being a herbalist. To inform you as the total nitwit that you are – Herbalism has been in existence for hundreds of years, long before our current so-called ” medical science.” The pharmaceutical industry began, and still continues, via the usage of refined products from herbal formulas. Herbalism has helped literally millions of people throughout the world, such as the Chinese who have used it for thousands of years, to regain and retain their health. And here comes Don Lake to say that it, and the usage of it, is ” anti-science.” What an unbelievable idiot you are!! Absolutely incredible!!! And not just that you are an idiot but that you have pride in your galactic stupidity. A fool who is brags about and is proud of being a fool.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
137 Don Lake .......... More Insanity from Grundmann // Jan 13, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Doctor Grundmann: thank you, each posting, especially threats of physical violence, just marks the end of your chiropractic career.
So what do you have against evolution [or as you corrected me so often in 2004: natural section] ????? What do you have against the AMA ?????
I never criticized herbal treatments! [Your goofy insanity at work ........] I criticized you moving away from a regulated area to a less, or even non regulated, area.
I never espoused sexual fisting. [Your goofy insanity again .........] I sent you a bizarre post on fisting, with the note that yet I could not find, OUT SIDE OF YOUR OFF THE WALL WEB SITE, any thing on educators promoting sexual fisting to elementary students.
[a] unscientific medical practitioner
[b] threats of physical violence
[c] lessening hold on reality
138 Don Lake .......... More Insanity from Grundmann // Jan 13, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Mark Seidenberg // Jan 13, 2010:
“I [Doctor Donald J.Grundmann] invite you to sue me, and in fact look forward to it ……. I will be at your house ………. As I am a legally elected member of the State Central Committee”
donlake@ymail.com : want a co-plaintiff, especially out side of the party ????????? On threats of physical violence and medical mal practice, count me in. How ever, Grundmann, and Captain Cody Quirk [the LDS boy harassed by Mormons], and Milnes, and paulie, and TLC, and CT, and other criticized posters do have a general first amendment basis for posting pretty much any thing they feel.
Now, as a privately held message board, so called IPR can set all kinds of limits. Hopefully they won’t do that as
[a] that is one of TPW and IPR style saving grace
[b] IPR has gotten Soooooooooo much better about ‘fair and balance’ —— especially the sneaky indirect partisan stuff that riddled TPW.
139 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 14, 2010 at 6:50 am
What does it mean that she’s been “flagged”, and how can I access this information?
140 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 14, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Davi:
Under the election code in California, Nightingale got flagged because she took out the
petition in lieu prior to January 27, 2010. That
was a major screw-up. I expect that her campaign advisors to screw-up more, because
they do not know what they are doing.
In fact she herself errored by not waiting to collect signatures until January 27, 2010 at
the Van Ney speech on January 7, 2010.
I trust the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder will be dealing with her submitted
signatures in lieu in due course.
Bottom line she has major campaign problem.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
141 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 14, 2010 at 12:39 pm
TO: Don Lake
“THREE DATES DON” is a member of the American Independent Party State Central
Committee, but he was not “legally elected
member of the State Central Committee.”
From his statement, a suspect, Grundmann has
know idea why or how he got on the State
Central Committee of the AIP.
He did not come on line to yesterdays meeting of
the state central committee yesterday.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
142 LibertarianGirl // Jan 14, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Mark , EVERYONE here knows that Grundman is a lunatic , I think your probably a busy guy and if you keep rebutting his craziness here because you think you need to defend yourself from his attacks , you neednt worry , NOONE BELIEVES A THING THAT NUTCASE SAYS.
143 Don Grundmann // Jan 14, 2010 at 5:34 pm
LibertarianGirl – Well this ” nutcase ” says that you are a liar and a coward for your support of the attacks of the homosexual community upon children and your lies that proof of such attacks do not exist. I notice that you do not take me up on my $1,000 bet that such attacks occurred. Instead you attempt to deflect attention away from the issue – and your cowardice. This is standard operating procedure for those who have your pathology. You call ME a lunatic when YOU are a supporter of such criminal attacks upon children. How sick such support is but for a person as you with no shame it doesn’t phase you for a second. You will defend such attacks to the death rather than tarnish your precious ego by saying ANYTHING against them. You are obviously, as with Mark Seidenberg, a total liar with no shame in the slightest degree for your actions. No wonder you are good buddies. No accident there.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
144 Don Grundmann // Jan 14, 2010 at 5:42 pm
” but he was not “legally elected
member of the State Central Committee.””
Response – Having won the United States Senatorial primary election in 2006 for the AIP I was ” legally elected ” as an ex-officio member to the State Central Committee through 2012. Yet another in the endless and never ending river of lies by the ultra corrupt ( TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com )Mark Seidenberg.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
145 Don Grundmann // Jan 14, 2010 at 5:54 pm
” He did not come on line to yesterdays meeting of the state central committee yesterday.”
Response – I heard everything of the Robinson/Seidenberg corruption faction fake, fraudulent, and criminal meeting including their plan to use ” Robo-calling ” to reach the voters and the candidacy of Mark Robinson for Governor!!! They will have no choice but to use robo-calling because their 2 primary candidates, Ed Noonan for U.S. Senate and Robinson for Governor, are such walking piles of feces that they have no choice but to hide behind a computer screen since voters will be rightfully repulsed by them at any personal interaction. Not to mention my own exposure of them as the 2 most corrupt candidates to campaign for their offices in the history of the state; a landmark ” accomplishment ” which will bring public shame and humiliation upon the AIP until the non-corruption faction of the Party represented by Chairman King and myself flush them down the toilet into the sewer of history where they so rightfully belong. The AIP voters of the state will resoundingly reject the utter corruption-to-the-bone-and-beyond of Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
146 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 15, 2010 at 9:59 am
Warning!
Don Grundmann is not the Vice Chairman of the
American Independent Party. He hold no office
in the American Independent Party. The last office he held in the American Independent Party ended on September 2, 2008.
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is a member
of the AIP State Central Committee because
of a section of the California Election Code.
Grundmann is on the SCC because Jim King as
credential committee chairman on September
3, 2006 SCC meeting in Rancho Cordova, CA
seated him. Oven a year latter Mr. King goes
to court and claims that the meeting in Rancho
Cordova was not in Sacramento, therefore the
SCC could meet in LAX hotel and redue the
convention and state central committee. The
superior court rejected this view that Rancho
Cordova was not in Sacramento. The election
code just requires the convention be in “Sacramento”. It makes no additional discription as to what the legislature covered
by the the term “Sacramento”. However, the
the September 2, 2006 Convention took place
in Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County and
neither Don Grundmann nor Credential Chairman Jim King objected to that location at
the time. Then Jim King in his lawsuit King v. Bowen raised the concern that Rancho Cordova
was not in Sacramento, and therefore they could
elect officer all over again less than three month
short of the officers two year term. The Superior Court rejected King’s view on the issue.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
Again he was not elected to the State Central Committee.
147 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 15, 2010 at 10:02 am
Warning!
Don Grundmann is not the Vice Chairman of the
American Independent Party. He hold no office
in the American Independent Party. The last office he held in the American Independent Party ended on September 2, 2008.
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is a member
of the AIP State Central Committee because
of a section of the California Election Code.
Grundmann is on the SCC because Jim King as
credential committee chairman on September
3, 2006 SCC meeting in Rancho Cordova, CA
seated him. Oven a year latter Mr. King goes
to court and claims that the meeting in Rancho
Cordova was not in Sacramento, therefore the
SCC could meet in LAX hotel and redue the
convention and state central committee. The
superior court rejected this view that Rancho
Cordova was not in Sacramento. The election
code just requires the convention be in “Sacramento”. It makes no additional discription as to what the legislature covered
by the the term “Sacramento”. However, the
the September 2, 2006 Convention took place
in Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County and
neither Don Grundmann nor Credential Chairman Jim King objected to that location at
the time. Then Jim King in his lawsuit King v. Bowen raised the concern that Rancho Cordova
was not in Sacramento, and therefore they could
elect officer all over again less than three month
short of the officers two year term. The Superior Court rejected King’s view on the issue.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent .
148 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 15, 2010 at 10:32 am
Additionally “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann
was present at the State Central Committee meeting of July 20, 2007 and the Convention
of July 5, 2008. At no time during these meetings did anyone raise the issue that Rancho Cordova was not in Sacramento.
At the July 20, 2007 SCC Meeting, “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann voted to remove
Rayna Mike-King (wife of Jim King) from her
office and membership of the AIPSCC because
she was registered Republican and listed on her
website she was a Republican Businesswoman of the Year.
This is the problem person within the Republican Party are trying to take over the
American Independent Party so persons like
Dr. Alan Keyes will not have a forum. First
comes Republican Rayna Mike-King then comes
RINO Chelene Nightingale (with less than a year
in the party and whats to use the party to run for
Governor.). The moves by the AIPSCC are to
protect the American Independent Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
149 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 15, 2010 at 11:58 am
So there is an AIP person in Sac (rancho cordova)?
150 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 15, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Davi,
How do I contact you at SOS?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
151 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 15, 2010 at 12:43 pm
well, you can use our email:
Davi@SaveOurstate.info
and/or you can visit our website
http://www.SaveOurState.info
152 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 15, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Davi,
How do I contact you at SOS?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
P.S. Rancho Cordova is locate in Sacramento County.
153 Don Grundmann // Jan 15, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Mark Seidenberg knows that in regard to his various posts above that the Judge did NOT rule regarding the issues on which Seidenberg claims that he did but rather on a procedural issue which Robinson/Seidenberg/Noonan used to avoid the central question of which group had the proper Central Committee meeting. I have referred to this tactic as ” mud on the windshield ” at my website which exposes not only his corruption but why Jim King is the Chairman of the AIP and I am the Vice-Chairman – TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. So yet again another series of lies by Mark Seidenberg but then what else can be expected?
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
154 Don Grundmann // Jan 15, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Relevant to his series of e-mails above Mark Seidenberg knows that the Judge did NOT rule on these issues but instead ruled on a procedural matter and ignored these questions. This is explained at the website TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com which clarifies these issues and also documents why Jim King is the Chairman and I am the Vice-Chairman of the AIP. Hence another in the endless series of lies from Mark Seidenberg but what else can be expected?
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
155 Don Lake .......... More JEANFROMFULERTON // Jan 15, 2010 at 7:38 pm
” What a line of crap.”
“What is really comical is the fact that Chelene doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anywhere. ”
“These people can hardly get along with each other most of the time, yet they imply that everyone else is a problem.”
“I (JEANFROMFULERTON) spent many hours with Chelene, MANY. And I was with the old SOS shortly after Chelene came on the scene and was there at the end. What Jeff is stating is just a bunch of b(ull) s(hit). Chelene lied to me over stuff that where there was no reason to lie.”
” It was said just to make her look better than what was the real truth. Chelenes not the worst of people, but she’s certainly not the best. It’s all a show with her and these guys are falling for it. ”
“Wouldn’t be the first time people have gotten fooled. But to go to the lengths that they are going, to actually try to do damage to the cause is unforgivable. What makes theses people tic?”
“The old org hadn’t “run its coarse” it was gutted by Chelene. I was there and I saw it. I started to notice if well over a year ago and started mentioning it. ”
“Some of Chelenes lapdogs got on me about say anything about it or bringing it to the members attention. That was right about the time she got the ‘coalition’ together. That move was to hide the fact that the membership had stopped supporting her and no SOS members were showing up to any of the events.”
Per http://www.SaveOurState.info
156 Don Grundmann // Jan 16, 2010 at 1:24 am
And so we have the troll, Don Lake, who digs up mud like a pig in order to throw it. The anti-Chelene attackers just happen by pure coincidence to come out now. How coincidental. How typical. Yawn. Show me something new instead of the rehash of Chelene attackers promoting their ” line of crap.” Just as Sarah Palin is attacked relentlessly by the most outrageous smears so also is Chelene smeared by every rodent that can crawl out from under their rock. By simply seeing the character of her attackers I know that she is 1) already doing excellent damage to the enemies of our state and nation, 2) the people who are corrupt and who support corruption are fearful of her, and 3) they know that she can and will hurt their corruption machine badly and even totally stop it. Go Chelene.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
157 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Chelene Nightingale was “flagged” by the Los Angeles Registrar of Voters for being register to
vote as a Republican in 2009.
Who is the RINO? Answer, Chelene Nightingale.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
158 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 1:12 pm
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann (the man that claims to be elected a “Vice Chairman” on 3 dates
in June, 2008, viz., June 6th, June 27l, & June 29.
Back in King v. Bowan, Mr. Jim King claim that
there could be AIP SCC meeting in Los Angles 0n
June 29, 2008,
because the September 3, 2006 AIP SCC meeting
was in Rancho Cordova and the CA Election Code
required only the organization meeting to be in
Sacramento, CA. King asseverated that Rancho
Cordova was not in Sacramento. Rancho Cordova
is in Sacramento County. The Election Code does
not state what the word “Sacramento” means.
What came out of the first hearing was that Rancho Cordova was in Sacramento and
159 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 17, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Nightingale was registered as Republican in 09? Are you certain of this? How can it be verified if so?
160 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Sorry, for rebuting.
officers were elected for two year terms of either
730 or 731 days. Terms ran from September 3,
2006 through September 2, 2008. The current
term runs from September 3, 2008 through September 2, 2010.
I hope “Three Dates Don” Grundmann will go away
after former Chairman Ed Noonan puts Three Dates Don in the dust bin of history on his nomination for US Senate.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
161 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Davi,
Yes she was a RINO. That is why Nightingale was
flagged by the Los Angeles County Registrar of
Voters. Go to LA County Registrar of Voters
on Imperial Highway in Norwalk and they can
show you the flagging. I found out about it at the
same time I met John Smith there for the first
time. He is running for the House of Reprentatives
in the 39th District, and may of heard my long
conversation between an election official and myself about Nightingale being a Republican
in 2009.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
162 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Davi,
Former Chairperson Nancy Spirkoff who left the
AIP Central Committee on August 1, 2006. Has
been trying to get control of the AIP ever since
with her gang leader Jim King. Jim King wife Rayna Mike-King was removed from office and
State Central Committee for being registered to
vote in the Republican Party and posting on her
website as “Republican Business Woman of the
Year” on July 20, 2007.
Note Jim King at the September 3, 2006 AIP SCC meeting was the Chairman of the Credentials Committee at Rancho Cordova AIP SCC . This the
same meeting he tried to trash in the case KING v
BOWEN.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
163 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 17, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Davi,
Jim King was chairman of the American Independent Party between 2002 and 2004.
During his term as chairman he got his wife
Rayna P. Mike-King elected as an officer of
the American Independent Party.
“Three Dates Don” Grundmann did one correct
thing and voted to remove Rayna P. Mike-King
from all offices on July 20, 2007.
On her website entitled “Linkedin” she states she has
been Republican Business Woman of the Year for 2004, 2005, & 2006. This the same time
she held an office in Chaplin and National Committeewoman of the American Independent
Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
164 Don Grundmann // Jan 17, 2010 at 9:13 pm
The desperation of the corruption faction of the AIP represented by Robinson/Seidenberg can be seen so clearly in their attacks upon Chelene Nightingale. A key question to ask is ” Would Jim Griffin, as noted above a founding member of the AIP, endorse Mark Robinson for Governor? I say impossible as Jim is a honest person and would never endorse a outirght liar like Mark Robinson. Truly Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan are 3 of the most utterly corrupt political operatives in the history of the nation.
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
165 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 18, 2010 at 11:56 am
Warning!
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is not a Vice
Chairman of the American Independent Party.
However, he is a member of the state central
committee.
From what my late friend WM Shearer told me
Mr. Griffin is an honest man. Mr. Griffin may
be helpful on explaining why Jim King would
recommend his wife as an officer of the American Independent Party to serve as a
Republican Mole on the National Committee and
as Chaplin while she was an active registered
Republican and received the (dis)honor of being
picked in 2004, 2005, & 2006 as the “Republican Businesswoman of the Year”?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
166 Don Lake .......... More // Jan 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm
why Jim King [AIP/ Constitution Party of San Bernardino County] would
recommend his wife as an officer of the American Independent Party to serve as a
Republican Mole on the National Committee and
as Chaplin while she was an active registered
Republican and received the (dis)honor of being
picked in 2004, 2005, & 2006 as the “Republican Businesswoman of the Year”? ”
Lake Response: maybe for the same reason that he ignored dead and dying inmates of the near by worst veterans home on the planet in Barstow California in 1998 and 1999!
May be he and his spouse are devious liars and if it does not have to do with gays [Grundmann's fantasies of 'Going At Youth'] or abortions of fully formed mammals and their yet born fetuses it is not measured to be made a fuse over ………..
167 Walt // Jan 18, 2010 at 2:46 pm
okay..if this isn’t the most deceitful predictable garbage from this “wannabe” politician….I found a website touting Chelene Nightingale for Governor 2010. Its under an AT&T..label…This webiste tells voters to “register to vote AIP” so you can vote for chelene in the June primary…then tells you “you can change back to your primary party…right after you vote!!! be it Rep.
dem etc….????What kind of garbage is this.??? Truly amazing and shows the true character of this cabal of vultures….
168 Don Lake .......... More // Jan 18, 2010 at 3:09 pm
touting Chelene Nightingale: [hey just follow the truth] ‘no one’ knows about in a year of campaigning, ‘no one’ knows locally [San Bernardino County, Southern California], she does not respond [telephone calls, email, postal], she runs her organization into the ground, she has/ had lousy web sites, and her rat pack associates are of dubious ethics or logic ……….
That’s about what we [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home] have uncovered on the ole guard of the California AIP since 1998 ……….
169 Don Grundmann // Jan 18, 2010 at 9:02 pm
” Walt ” – Just ad,it that you are really Mark Seidenberg and FOR ONCE – JUST ONCE!!!!!!! – STOP LYING!!!!
Don Lake – Who gives a damn about your idiot ideas? Chelene has been campaigning across the state and a hell of a lot more people know of her than a troll like you. That was true before she started her campaign and it is 1,000 times plus more true now. You – as usual – have no idea of what you are talking about. Chelene has no ” rat pack associates,” just a single rat detractor – you – who has no clue about ” logic.”
Don J. Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
170 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 18, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Ah, Doctor Logic, like Chuck Baldwin in P2008, Ms Nightingale probably won’t even be on the ballot …………
Plz, every one, read, carefully read, Doctor Goo Goo’s words, each and every one and review them in mid November 2010!
171 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 18, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Don Lake:
You are currect about reviewing “Three Dates Don” Grundmann words. People can register
up to 15 days before June 8th primary in AIP
and vote for the former Chairman of the Party
Ed Noonan for US Senate and we can get Grundmann of the State Central Committee
in 2012 or sooner. Unlike the recommendation
of Nightingale we would like the new party members to stay.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
172 Markham Robinson // Jan 19, 2010 at 2:47 am
Re. Post 167 by Walt,
You wrote “okay..if this isn’t the most deceitful predictable garbage from this “wannabe” politician….I found a website touting Chelene Nightingale for Governor 2010. Its under an AT&T..label…This webiste tells voters to “register to vote AIP” so you can vote for chelene in the June primary…then tells you “you can change back to your primary party…right after you vote!!! be it Rep.
dem etc….????What kind of garbage is this.??? Truly amazing and shows the true character of this cabal of vultures….”
Which Web Site did you see that on? I am totally opposed to something like that. It’s outrageous to anyone who has the best interests of the AIP at heart.
I want and the AIP State Central Committee wants people to register with the AIP permanently and for the right reasons, not just to elect an opportunist, using a ballot line they think is easy to access. It won’t be. There will be another AIP registered voter opposing Chelene who will urge voters to register AIP and stick with us.
Chelene Nightingale tried to seize control of the Minutemen organization by means of a lawsuit and is backed by a “Branch of the Constitution Party” that wants to seize control of a Political Party (the AIP) by means of a lawsuit instead of legitimate political means. They deserve each other!
The Save Our State organization which she used to head doesn’t seem to like her. Ask them for the details. It seems to me she leaves nothing but destruction in her wake.
She won’t ultimately succeed in making people believe that she is either a sincere supporter of either the Minutemen or the AIP.
As for ballot access, it is open to anyone who has been registered AIP long enough and she has been registered just barely long enough. It is election that the AIP State Central Committee will deny her thru the political process and in any event will deny her any role in our leadership which is unavailable to any affiliated with another political party such as the Constitution Party if we so choose. It’s in the Election Code Chelene. Look it up.
Markham Robinson, Chairman of the American Independent Party
173 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 3:02 am
Jim King, Mrs Jim King, some PhD at Yountville veterans home, Donald J Grundmann [DC], Captain Cory Quirk, Mrs Chelene Nightingale, SOS, all very difficult to deal with [since 1998]!
174 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 3:07 am
Escondido’s Diane Templin has more good points than bad ………..
175 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Mr. Robinson, my pleasure to direct you to this site. The site can be reached on google….I typed in “Chelene Nightingale for governor 2010″ on or about page 4…..there is a website titled AT&T dated january 17, 2010. Says Chelene running for gov. by socalpatriot…..once you click on this site it proceeds to tell you how you can vote for chelene…and how you can change back your registration. I hope this can be of help to you.
176 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 12:24 pm
its from a web address..
my.att.net/s/community.dll?ep=4&globalmsgboard=1
177 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Mr. Robinson might I also direct you to another deceitful website. There is a website http://www.aipcalif.blogspot.com…it touts as being the aip website…BUT after you click on it….the website turns into CONSTITUTION PARTY!!! I think Bill Lussenheide is behind this. Another person that wants to steal the aip. He supported Baldwin….is in cahoots with grundmann…and nightingale…and feeds misinformation throughout the internet.. I will email you further findings I come across…
178 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 12:42 pm
If you type in “Constitution Party of California” you will reach this site….
look at the website address…..www.aipcalif.blogspot.com
Very disturbing……the amount of deception these people are doing.
179 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Walt // Jan 19, 2010:
“….. http://www.aipcalif.blogspot.com ……..Very disturbing …… the amount of deception these people are doing ……… ”
Lake’s Reply: I am not a big fan of any of the revolving door of California election officials/ Secretarys of State; the deform party/ reform party has under gone similar renderings!
But the deception of these zealots [from at least P2008 and their assertion of the ultimate ballot access victory of Chuck Baldwin ---- not] sure plays into the Ambassador Alan Keyes faction’s defense in or out of court !
180 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Also Mr. Robinson speaking of candidates affliated with other parties.
I read on many websites a Mr. Bill Lussenheide stating in his own words..He belongs to the national executive committee of the “Constitution Party” yet is running under AIP……thank you for your time
181 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 5:54 pm
watch the roaches scramble….The fake http://www.aipcalif.blogspot.com….Has changed to American Independent Party directly…….clever….still touts the Constitution Party…when you click on the page…Stop hiding and grow up!
Whats wrong with these deceitful people??? They keep trying to bury their lies and wrong doings.
182 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 5:58 pm
just as I thought…the website is run by Bill Lussenheide candidate for congress ca-45…. I used to be an investigator….retired now…but still like to dabble…..
183 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 6:27 pm
okay hate to sound like a tattle but….
the AT&T site that tells you how to change your voter registration…to vote AIP for chelene nightingale….is signed
BC I believe that BC stands for a barb Coe…socalpatriot is her screen name…
184 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Barb Coe CCIR (california coalition for Immigration reform) wrote website how to stuff the ballot box for chelene nightingale….
cc: markham Robinson
Chairman AIP
185 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 7:16 pm
oh how ‘they’ back down …………
“This is not an endorsement by CCIR”
186 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Even if it ain’t illegal
Doesn’t mean that it is ethical:
Ms Cole, CCIR is no longer
endorsed by the Reform Party
of California and or Citizens For
A Better Veterans Home!
187 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 8:49 pm
lol and the rats are at it again….they took down the “american indpendent party directly….. its back to the Constitution Party of california…..with the fake http://www.aipcalif.blogspot.com.
You know thats the thing about “bums” they have to keep on moving cause their scam only works for awhile……interesting
188 Walt // Jan 19, 2010 at 8:50 pm
gypsys tramps and thieves….
189 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 pm
” It’s outrageous to anyone who has the best interests of the AIP at heart.”
Response – As if the ultra corrupt lying coward Mark Robinson has ” the best interests of the AIP at heart.” If he did he would not have deliberately filed false documentation with the SOS office as documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. Instead he did indeed conspiratorially file such fraudulent documents as the coward that he is. And he intends to campaign for Governor!!! He will certainly be, hands down, the most corrupt candidate for Governor from any party in the history of California if not the nation.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
190 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:13 pm
” backed by a “Branch of the Constitution Party” that wants to control of a Political Party (the AIP) by means of a lawsuit instead of legitimate political means.”
Response – Mark Robinson what a lying bastard you are. You filed fake documentation with the SOS office to get to the fake ” Chairman ” position which you claim. If you followed ” legitimate political means ” you would NEVER be Chairman either in relaity or fantasy as you now claim. May God damn you for your endless evil and corruption.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
191 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:18 pm
” It seems to me she leaves nothing but destruction in her wake.”
Response – Yet again a Mark Robinson lie as it is he who is totally and utterly corrupt to the bone and beyond. Mark Robinson who builds NOTHING but attempts to claim the 40 + years of work by Bill Schear as his own by stealing it as he knows that he could NEVER be honestly elected as the Chairman of the party. Thankfully you will go to hell for your endless evil and corruption. It can’t be too soon.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
192 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:21 pm
” the amount of deception these people are doing ”
Response – ” Walt “/Mark Seidenberg – We tell nothing but the truth. We don’t lie and submit fake papers to the SOS office as bastards like you do.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
193 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:25 pm
” But the deception of these zealots [from at least P2008 and their assertion of the ultimate ballot access victory of Chuck Baldwin ---- not] sure plays into the Ambassador Alan Keyes faction’s defense in or out of court. ”
Response – To Don Lake the idiot – We have deceived no one and lie to no one as compared to ” Walt,” Mark Robinson, and Mark Seidenberg – ultra corrupt rodents who do nothing but lie< Just like you do on so many issues.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
194 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:29 pm
” Whats wrong with these deceitful people??? They keep trying to bury their lies and wrong doings.”
Response – A true rodent working to cover the lies and ultra corruption of his fellow rats. YOU, ” Walt,” are the liar and the person who is guilty of ” wrong doings.” Not to mention a coward as are your fellow rats. The REAL AIP of Chairman Jim King and myself is battling to, and will, stop the ultra corruption of Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, and you as their supporter and defender of their criminal actions and moral criminality.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
195 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010:
” “the most corrupt candidate for Governor from any party in the history of California, if not the nation ……” [the continent, the world, the solar system, the galaxy, the universe ..........]
196 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:32 pm
The official website of the REAL American Independent Party, the non-corruption faction, is AIPCALIF.blogspot.com.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
197 Don Grundmann // Jan 19, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Barbara Coe – a true and patriotic American who is working to fight corruption.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
198 Don Grundmann // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:37 am
Mr. Robinson – I challenge you to a debate on the American Independent Party and your criminal enterprise and actions. This debate will be recorded and placed on YouTube for all to see. The debate will happen as soon as possible and I will do it at a venue of your choosing. I say that you will not accept this challenge because you are a liar and a coward as proven by your criminal actions. I listened to your endless lies on the recent illegal online Central Committee meeting. I challenge you to back up your lies in a public forum. I say that you dare not try it because you know that I will totally expose how evil, criminal, and corrupt you truly are.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
199 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Looks like the Fraud group trying to stuff the ballot box for Chelene Nightingale….has taken down their AT&T posting…(I have it copied and printed) not to worry. The actions speak
loudly about what a group of disenfranchised angry people will stoop to. Very troubling.
200 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 20, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Warning again!
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is not and never have been the Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party. He has claimed on several posts that he was “elected” the “Vice
Chairman” of AIP, viz, June, 2008. However,
when it comes to the date he gets fussy, viz..,
on posts he states June, 6. 2008, June 27, 2008,
and June 29, 2008. None of these dates where
the organizational meeting of the American
Independent Party for the Year 2008.
One of the dates Grundmann asseverates was June 27, 2008. The SCC did have a meeting that
date, but there was no election of Don Grundmann for Vice Chairman or any other office. That June 27, 2008 was the dates that
the SCC voted to affiliate with the America’s
Independent Party of Fenton, MI.
The organizational meeting of the AIP State
Central Committee is the day after the AIP
Convention. “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann knows these dates very well, because
he was a Delegate to the July 5, 2008 AIP Convention located in the Auditorium of the California Secretary of State Building. He
walk out of the Convention just before the
Delegates at that Convention voted in the ticket
of Alan KEYES (President) and Wiley DRAKE
(Vice President).
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
201 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Mr. Robinson and Mr. Seidenberg I will be mailing to your office the COPY of the website that directed voters how to register to vote AIP and then advised them to re-register back to their own party. The site that was up under AT&T was taken down, but I had copied and pasted to a my document on my computer. I think you should have a hard copy of this for your review.
202 Don Grundmann // Jan 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm
” Walt ” – I say that; just like Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, and Ed Noonan; you are a liar and a coward. YOU represent and support fraud, lying, and corruption. YOU are a rat just like they are. Your actions ” speak loudly ” to what an immoral rodent you are and what rats like you will ” stoop to.” Your champion Mark Robinson will be too cowardly to accept my debate challenge. Will you represent the corruption Robinson/Seidenberg/Noonan faction of the AIP?
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
203 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:28 pm
You know this whole “ballot Box” voter fraud trying to be implemented by the Chelene Nightingale for governor gang…has me really ticked off. I have an old friend at the newspaper and I will show him this email and see if he might write a story about…how desparate some candidates can get. This is not right right!!! Americans deserve better…than to try and be used by this slime….I am going to the newspapers….
204 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I am going to mail a copy to all newspapers in california big and small.
I am retired…I have the time!!!
205 LibertarianGirl // Jan 20, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Grundmann if your so right , where are the lawsuits ?? you keep saying illegal etc , but I havent seen any charges or convictions . whats up with that? doesnt the AIP have an internal judicial committee or something?
206 Third Party Revolution // Jan 20, 2010 at 4:09 pm
So Don has the nickname “three dates” because that’s when he claimed to have been elected VC of the AIP?
207 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Just spoke to a major newswire they want more information…I will supply it to them. Let the truth prevail!
208 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Walt // Jan 20, 2010:
” ……… going to mail a copy to all newspapers”
and folks wonder why I get so agitated at the intrusion of falsely pious pols and improper religion on the sacred secular ground of public administration ????
I stood up to the ‘God Squad’ in the ‘Vets for Jesus’ Veterans Party USA [Rest In Pieces] the Neo Zionist Jewish cabal of the Deform Party and the John Birchers of the United We Stand folks. I will continue to do so.
Just look at once semi reasonable activists [2004] Doctor Goo Goo and [driven out of California] Captain Cody Quirk. The quirkie, insiduous postings on [so called] Third Party Watch.
Of course they are devious. They are pure and untained warriors. No manner of abuse is beneath them. No negative is bigger than their [positive] ‘calling’.
21st Century brothers of Alexander the Grape, Neapolian Blown Apart, Hilter, Stalin, Pol Pot, Iddie Amen, Franco ……. Brothers under the skin!
This is not right right !!! [1964: per Barry Goldwater "it is far right !!!!!']
I hope paulie sees some of my perspective now.
209 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 20, 2010 at 4:52 pm
hird Party Revolution [the lazy bastard]
// Jan 20, 2010:
“So Don [Grundmann, Grundmann, Grundmann] has [been given] the nickname “three dates” because that’s when he claimed to have been elected VC of the [so called] AIP?”
Yes Lazy Third Party Devolution, for Donald J. GRUNDMANN, it denotes a low IQ and lack of focus to mis – read and or mis – lead in the obvious details. (‘No, no, no I am Spartacus; No, no, no I am Spartacus!’)
TPR with ‘friends’ like you, does the Establishment Duopoly even need enemies! What is your basic problem ?????????
210 Walt // Jan 20, 2010 at 5:35 pm
In regards to electoral fraud:
These acts are considered to be morally unacceptable, outside the spirit of electoral laws or in violation of the principles of democracy.
Harsh penalties AIMED at deterring electoral fraud make it likely that individuals who perpetrate fraud do so with the EXPECTATION that it either will not be discovered or will be excused.
The Chelene Nightingale Campaign gang appears to establish a “dictatorship” by breaking down “democracy” to implement voter fraud.
211 Third Party Revolution // Jan 20, 2010 at 6:35 pm
I don’t really have time to read these shenanigans. And I was just checking.
212 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 20, 2010 at 7:27 pm
TPR: g’bye ………. [and you were not 'checking' very carefully] …………
Don Grundmann
Don Lake
Don Grundmann
Don Lake
213 Don Grundmann // Jan 21, 2010 at 2:34 am
” Just spoke to a major newswire they want more information…I will supply it to them. Let the truth prevail!”
Response _ ” Walt “/Mark Seidenberg – Thanks for the idea on reporters. I had not contacted them yet but I am sure that they will be glad to learn about and investigate an Alan Keyes fundraising conspiracy that involves deliberately filing false documents with government agencies as Mark Robinson and you did. I am going to ask Chelene to refer any reporters to me so that I can give them the evidence of the criminal enterprise of Mark Robinson and yourself. I am sure that the reporters will also be extra interested that Mark Robinson as a candidate for Governor is part of a criminal conspiracy that deliberately filed false documents with the SOS office. The reporters can fulfill my goal that the entire state knows how corrupt both you and Mark Robinson are. They will learn a word association. Criminal = Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg. Liar = Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg. I will refer them to TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. They can see how many thousands have already visited the website and hence know of your corruption. I agree – Let the truth of the criminal conspiracy, enterprise, and actions of Mark Robinson and Mark Seidenberg prevail!!!
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
214 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 21, 2010 at 2:41 am
Herr Goebbels must be proud, very proud …..
215 Don Grundmann // Jan 21, 2010 at 2:43 am
” These acts are considered to be morally unacceptable…”
” Walt “/Mark Seidenberg – You write of ” morally unacceptable ” while YOU are a supporter of the crimes and criminality of Robinson and Seidenberg. This just shows what a rat and coward you are as does your failure to accept my debate challenge. You are simply a moral criminal and coward trying to mask your criminality.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
216 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 21, 2010 at 5:36 am
How ‘Holy Warriors’ so quickly rush to the tactics of fascists ………….
Again, yet another reason to keep theology and secular public administration separate!
217 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 21, 2010 at 5:37 am
To: LibertarianGirl:
In your post # 205 you asked if the AIP had a
committee? Yes and of now the committee is
working hard on two cases. There is one issues you may help us with. Please check the names and address of a Republican organization that gave out awards entilled “Republican Businnesswoman of the Year” for any of the years 2004, 2005, and 2006. It may have been in Southern California. If you can find the
organization it would be very helpful to our inv- estigation. Thanks.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
218 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 21, 2010 at 6:17 am
Warning,
I am not “Walt”. my suggestion is to stay far away from “THREE DATES DON”. The last
time Grundmann yelled at me. He told me
he would “Dance on my grave” and he could
lay me out “flat like a pancake”. That was at
a bar in Phoenix, Arizona in October 2009.
It was one day prior to the date that Howard
Phillips yelled at me “Mark my friend, go away”
while I was two tables away from Howard. In
fact the American Indepenjdent Party did go
away from the Constitution Party on June 27,
2008. When the AIP state central committee
voted to affliate with the America’s Independent
Party. That act cut all ties between the AIP and
CP. Since the CP is not qualified to be on the
ballot in California. Nightingale registered AIP
in 2009 from being a RINO. She has been in the
AIP less than a year. So the Los Angeles County
Registrar of Voters has “flagged” her when she
took out the petitions in lieu.
Next, “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann is not
the Vice Chairman of the AIP and never has been. He is not a current officer in the AIP
and has not held any office since September 2,
2008. He is a member of the AIP state central
committee, but he was never elected to the
state central committee as he asseverates. He
was removed by then Chairman ED NOONAN
of the AIP from the voffice of Area Director early in 2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
219 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 21, 2010 at 12:29 pm
TO: Don Lake and LibertarianGirl
According sites on the Internet three time win of
the NRCC’s Business Advisory Council Award entitled “Republican Business Woman of the Year” , was Rayna P. Mike-King, viz., wife of
Jim King (who has been suing the last two AIP
Chairman in two differrent counties in California), and elected to the National Committee and AIP Chaplin for the State Central Committee on the nomination of her by hurband.
I am further informed that Rayna P. Mike-King
received her awards at the same circa as
Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari received his “Republican Business Man of the Year Award” under the cover name “Michael Mixon”.
Now the next question is what did Jim King know
of these Republican Awards his wife receive and
when did or should have known it.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
It is my further understandin
220 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 21, 2010 at 1:38 pm
To Don Lake and LibertarianGirl
Further, Abdul Tawala ibn Ali Alishtara (age circa 56 -57) plead guilty in the Manhatten,
United States District Court, New York, New York State on 29 September 2009 for “Terriorism Financing” in Afganistan and
Pakistan at the same time he was holding the
“honor?” of the like award “Republican Business Woman of the Year” that Rayna P. Mike-King received at least 3 times between 2004 – 2006.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
221 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 21, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Don Grundmann // Jan 21, 2010:
” ________ ” Walt “/Mark Seidenberg – ……….. filed false documents with the SOS office. ”
Lake: for those uninitiated, this ‘SOS’ the the state wide office of the chief election official [California Secretary of State] and not the ‘Save Our State’ anti illegal immigration group, run into the ground by disputed gubernatorial candidate Chelene Nightingale ………
222 Walt // Jan 21, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Irregardless, of what happens with the bickering DG tries to instigate to steer away the Reality of the VOTER FRAUD
trying to be implemented from this Chelene Nightingale for governor gang…this is serious…I am debating as to post in its entirety the web page here on ipr. I will wait till Mr. Robinson receives his hard copy. I don’t want to jeopardise any legalities. To instigate voters to register under a party , then it actually gives them steps “how to” -re- register to another party …is punishable by law $2,500
up to 5 years in prison. Look it up. Someone or (persons) is in deep trouble.
223 Walt // Jan 21, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Those who wish to register is this fashion can be held liable for PERJURY….as when you sign a registeration you make an outh to that party under penality of perjury. This is a very serious offense.
224 Walt // Jan 21, 2010 at 3:19 pm
registration*
225 Walt // Jan 21, 2010 at 3:28 pm
oath* wrote too fast
226 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 21, 2010 at 3:47 pm
California Secretary of State 1500 11th Street Sacramento, California 95814 (916) 653-6814
227 Don Grundmann // Jan 21, 2010 at 10:19 pm
” Irregardless, of what happens with the bickering DG tries to instigate to steer away the Reality of the VOTER FRAUD…”
Response – Hey liar/coward Walt – Exposing the voter fraud by the criminal enterprise of Robinson, Seidenberg, Noonan, and you is what I’m all about. Everything that I do is about stopping criminals – like you – and their fraud. It is YOU who are working the cover up the fraud and protect the criminals which is understandable since you’re a criminal yourself. Birds/Rats of a rotten feather flock/fraud together.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
228 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 22, 2010 at 8:41 am
The American Independent Party is a ballot-qualified party recognized by the California Secretary of State, with a registered I.D.# 742371
229 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 22, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Gary Odom on the issue of the Award to Rayna P. Mike-King who was booted out of the American Independent Party on July 20, 2007,
for receiving the “Republican Business Woman
of the Year” for 2004″ Award stated: “So she
was honored by Republican Women for being
a fine businesswoman? So what?”
This was Gary Odom’s lack of concerhn that the
2002 – 2004 Chairman (Jim King) of the American Independent Party, placed h is wife “Rayna P. Mike-King” on the National Committee and in the office of “Chaplin” while
she was an activist in the Republican Party.
Gary was wrong on who issued that
(dis)honor it was not “Republican Woman”, but
was know other than the “Business Advisory Council” of the “National Republican Congressional Committee.” When Rayna P.
Mike-King received the “Award” from RNCC’s
BAC, guess who received the male’s award at the
time? It was “Abdul Tawala ibn Ali Alishtara”
also known as the terrorist “Michael Mixon” who
was convicted last year for wiring funds for supplies to a terrorist camp in Afganistan, viz., he received the “Republican Business Man of the Year” Award for 2004.
The question of Jim King is when did he learn that “Rayna P. Mike-King” his wife was “two timing” the A
” for
230 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 22, 2010 at 1:30 pm
sorry for the split of post. Had a computer problem.
cont.
the “American Independent Party” as a Republican mole? How well did the “King’s
know Michael Mixon at the time of the Award’s?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
231 Don Lake .......... More Churchiness // Jan 22, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Hard copies available:
DECLARATION
I DONALD RAYMOND LAKE am using this declaration as a formal complaint to the State of California Secretary of State’s Office as a violation of the formal election codes. The American Independent Party is a ballot-qualified party recognized by the California Secretary of State, with a registered I.D.# 742371. How ever, to the best of my of believe and knowledge the presently unrecognized faction of the California American Independent Party has engaged in illegal actions.
DOCTOR DONALD J. GRUNDMANN [DC] has repeatedly misrepresented him self and his allies, including, but not limited to, present 2010 gubernatorial candidate hopeful Chelene Nightingale. Doctor Grundmann has threatened to illegally physically abuse my self and others on a number of occasions. Much of this misbehavior has been recorded on http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com
MS CHELENE NIGHTINGALE has been a registered member of the [so called] American Independent Party for less than the required year.
MS CHELENE NIGHTINGALE and allies, including but not limited to Doctor Grundmann and one Barbara Cole of RRCI, have openly and publicly enjoined California registered voters to unethically and temporarily register for the unique and specific purpose of signing partisan paper work for Ms Nightingale. I figured early on that there was a certain lack of ethics involved in this effort. I have since been informed from a number of sources that this effort is also illegal.
As a legal and lawful registered state voter, I wish to be included as a complainant/ plaintiff on any and all of the situations hereto within. I am constructing this instrument in the County of San Diego, in the Republic of California, on this 21st day of January in the year 2010. I do so with out any effort to evade and to the best of my ability,
_______________________________________
Donald Raymond Lake, Complainant
Donlake@ymail.com
263 Eucalyptus Court
Chula Vista California
91910-3030
619.420.0209
Per California Secretary of State
1500 11th Street Sacramento,
California 95814 (916) 653-6814
232 Walt // Jan 22, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Corruptly Influencing Voting…. (which is what was done with this website) = 1st Degree Felony 104.061 Don , I am waiting for Mr. Robinson to receive the hard copy before saying anymore.
233 Walt // Jan 22, 2010 at 7:24 pm
I have made numerous copies of the website in question….If anyone is interested in obtaining a copy please let me know through this website. In a posting….no email
234 Don Grundmann // Jan 22, 2010 at 8:01 pm
1-22-10
Don Lake – Since you are in post #231 above publicly accusing me of breaking the law I with this notice begin the formal process of demanding your retraction of such accusations. In the event that you fail to do so by 2-01-10 I will commence legal actions for your commission of libel against me.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
235 Don Grundmann // Jan 22, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Walt – I notice that it is today 1-22 and you are still a coward ( not taking up my debate offer in replacement of your fellow coward Mark Robinson ) and a liar ( your huffing and puffing regarding supposed violations of election law when you yourself support multiple criminals who have already violated the law ). Shows exactly what a lying rat you are.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
236 Don Grundmann // Jan 22, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Don Lake – Your alliance with the corruption of Robinson and Seidenberg is now out in the open. I demand a retraction of your accusations against me or I will procede with a libel lawsuit against you.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
237 Walt // Jan 22, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I am an independent investigator…I have no bias only reporting facts that have been documented….
238 Don Lake .......... More Hyperobly // Jan 22, 2010 at 10:08 pm
you know the address,
beware of counter suits!
239 Don Lake .......... More Hyperobly // Jan 22, 2010 at 10:16 pm
The formal SOS complaint
was emailed yesterday
and was postaled today.
Also a chiro.ca.gov complaint
240 Don Grundmann // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 am
Go ahead with your countersuits. I will be suing you for libel and slander. Your comments above will be noted in the complaint for damages. You have until midnight of 1-31-10 to retract or the suit(s) will procede. You will find that you will be defeated in your lies. I will also be suing regarding your false accusations to the State Board of Chiropractic Examiners.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
241 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 23, 2010 at 8:37 am
Again, “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann
is out with disinformation. He is not and never
has been the Vice Chairman of the American.
However, the last date he was an officer in AIP
was September 2, 2008 and that was being a
National Committeeman. He was removed early
in 2008 as an Area Director by former Chairman
Ed Noonan. Grundmann is a member of the
AIP State Central Committee, but unlike his
disinformation he was not elected to the SCC.
I hope this will help you Mr. Lake.
Former Chairman Ed Noonan is running for the
US Senate seat now up. I am informed the “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann will also
run in that race. Therefore, if anyone what to
help the AIP remove Don Grundmann from the SCC and lives in California, register American
Independent Party, send copy of that registration to the Chairman, Markham Robinson.
As for Chelene Nightingale, she was a registered
Republican in 2009. In the AIP less than one
year, so was “flagged” by the Los Angeles County
Registrar of Voters, because of the one year registration requirement, when she took out
the petition in lieu paperwork. However, when
Bill L. took out the paperwork for Nightingale
he did not ask the clerk in Riverside to conform
to the Los Angeles County paperwork. Therefore, it could be an issue later in the cycle
but by April 1, 2010.
By registering as an elector in the AIP, the SCC
has many internal levels to deal with both Grundmann and Nightingale. Therefore, if
you are in California Don Lake or Walt, please
join the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
Also Chairman of the Orange County American
Independent Party Central Committee, and
Executive Committeeman of the America’s
Independent Party for California (AIP national
affliation since June 27, 2008).
Note: AIP has no current connection with the
Constitution Party. All connections with the
Constitution Party ended on June 27, 2008.
“Three Dates Don” Grundmann can’t get himself
out of a time warp, because he keeps on asseverating an affliation between CP and AIP
that ended on June 27, 2008, by a vote of the
American Independent Party State Central Committee.
As for Los Angeles County AIP. Elliott S. Graham and Jim King are the only current
members of that county central committee. When Mr. Graham
attempted to have the organization meeting which was called by the Los Angeles County
Registrar of Voters in July, 2008, Mr. King
was a no show. Therefore, no recognited Los
Angeles County AIP. was formed. Therefore, Nightingale’s
claim that she is a member of the Los Angeles
County Central Committee of AIP is a total lie
242 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 23, 2010 at 9:02 am
To Walt:
This to your posting of January 19th about your
claim that Barb Coe plans to stuffing ballots for
Nightingale. Please explain source and details.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
243 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:02 pm
“Bill L. took out the paperwork for Nightingale
he did not ask the clerk in Riverside to conform
to the Los Angeles County paperwork.”
Riverside County ?????? I contacted the San Bernadino County ROV, on Arrowhead Drive, I believe ………..
244 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Mark, I sent information to Mr. Robinson. I will send a copy to your office as well, if you like. These Candidates that “tout” christian values…and then advocate this type of
fraud…reminds me of the old joke…”do unto others before they do unto you!”
245 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:12 pm
county records for Bill Lussenheide and also criminal records being investigated…
246 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Statewide Direct Primary Election (June 8, 2010)
2010 Statewide Primary Dates of Interest for Candidates
Offices Up for Election
Track Your Vote by Mail Ballot
Electronic Campaign Disclosure
Get e-mail updates when this information changes
Weekly Voter Registration Summary
For more information, call:
Toll Free: 800-881-VOTE (800-881-8683); General: 909-387-8300; Fax: 909-387-2022;
Hours: 8:00 am to 5:00 pm Monday through Friday
Mailing/Street Address: 777 E. Rialto Avenue, San Bernardino, CA 92415-0770
[may be the County Courts are on Arrowhead]
247 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Nightingale campaign also has registration site online to register online for AIP. This is NOT about winning fair and square…these are the most vindictive people I have ever seen in my life. They want to win at ANY and all costs. Well, its going to cost them. Makes me laugh if you read all their posts about “liberty, Freedom, Christian!!” From my experience those that scream the loudest “trust me, I’m a Christian” are usually the ones hiding something….
248 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Bill Lussenheide has a long history with Church called “Worldwide Church of God” as I recall this church was rife with fraud…and listed as a cult. Life is like a box of chocolates…
249 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm
The internet…. quite the record keeper.
250 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:35 pm
And this all about The pastor Chuck Baldwin being denied ballot access for president??? Chuck Baldwin belongs to the Constitution party. If this group wants a party…why don’t they start their own “constitution party in California?? Instead of trying to steal the AIP?
251 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm
They should focus their energy ON building the “constitution party” in California…..I am beginning to think that some people need this Drama in their life…it will always end the same way….and then like vampires they are off to take new blood…..
252 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Found a website “ballot Access news”
july 7,2009 under Chelene nightingale will enter aip primary.
There is a post which says and I quote:
“Bill L. accused of inappropriate behavior….does anyyone know about this???
253 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:27 pm
ah I get it….they plan to try and run Chuck Baldwin for president 2010..under the aip….because starting a new party viv vis “constitution Party in california…would require 88,000
registered and petitions….ah I see it now….These people know they won’t win Governor or Congress….this is about inflitrating the AIP….to use for their own candidates because it has ballot access…….
254 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm
2012 typo
255 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:29 pm
infiltrating*
256 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:30 pm
its show time………..
257 Third Party Revolution // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Robert @ #6, I found the 2010 IPR Hottie of the Year (since I think year is better than month): http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=13437
258 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:45 pm
website: The AIP verse the CP
http://www.believeinamerica.com post written by Bill Lussenheide.
Well, he pretty much spills it here. I have copied and pasted…will mail copy to Mr. Robinson. Says in his own words “Winning back the AIP to the Constitution party is the only reason we bother with the AIP in california.
This guys an open book……or is there more??
259 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 1:46 pm
(how much you want to bet….they take down this site….faster than you can say..”Elmer Gantry”
260 Cosa Nostra // Jan 23, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Walt/Dee Mayer/whatever
You were already told about the non-functional name link.
Nobody cares who you are, and you don’t have to put ANYTHING in the website box (you see – I don’t).
But if you DO choose to put a website in the website box when submitting comments, you should make it a website that actually works.
Plus, what good does it do you to change what name you post under when you leave the exact some non-functioning URL as “your” website?
Wow, for an “investigator” you are not very smart!
261 Walt // Jan 23, 2010 at 2:40 pm
The copies are made…. The Truth about the Fraud prevails…..and any spinning… about any other aspect will not divert what this campaign has done.. Time for the truth to be posted on other news sites… Again anyone wanting copies please leave address here… I will send to you. Kindest regards.. btw the constitution party nightingale gang has a mole… they are sending me info. Perhaps they should investigate one of their own.
have a good one
262 Cosa Nostra // Jan 23, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Sam Brenner AKA Dee Mayer AKA Walt
Most of us here at IPR could not care less about your stupid arguments between AIP and CP in California. It is not our state, not our party, and not our ideology.
But, what we DO care about is you defacing the front page of IPR with non-functional links (by way of your name in recent comments, which appears on the front page). That is the ONLY thing about this whole argument which matters.
People who use non-functioning URLs linked to their name when making IPR comments deserve every bad thing that could possibly ever happen to them.
263 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 23, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Walt,
I am going back now to the events leading up to
the removal of Rayna P. Mike-King from the
AIP State Central Committee, AIP Natiional
Committee on July 20, 2007.
First, did Gary Odem try to mis-direct me when
he told me that the Award of “Republican Business Woman of the Year” was from Republican Woman, because Rayna P. Mike-King (Jim King’s wife) was “a fine businesswoman”. When the real issue was funding to the NRCC.
Again look who got the awards. Rayna P. Mike-King for REPUBLICAN BUSINESS WOMAN OF
THE YEAR and Abdul Tawala ibn Ali Alishtari
for REPUBLICAN BUSINESS MAN OF THE YEAR.
Abdul Tawala Alistari, a.k.a. Michael Mixon,
was convicted on September 29, 2009 in the
United States District Court for terrorist banking, funding the Taliban if Afganistan for
equipment at a terrorist camp to the tune of
$152,ooo.
He has many companies and organizations in the
United States. He is the CEO of GlobalProtector.Net, Inc, and CEO IDPixie Inc.
He uses the same P. O. Box for several groups
such as the Islamic Propagandation Centre International Inc, and Islamic Center of Queens,
Masjid Al-Fatima which is located at 5716 37th Avenue. That center is connected to Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
264 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 23, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Walt // Jan 23, 2010:
Bill Lussenheide has a long history with Church called “Worldwide Church of God” as I recall this church was rife with fraud”
Second Opinion: “World Wide Church Of God organization is the outcome of the decades of control and teaching by Herbert W. Armstrong, his self-proclaimed brand of Christianity and adherence to the doctrine of British Israelism. ”
“Herbert Armstrong’s radio and television program, The World Tomorrow, reached the largest audiences of their time and the official publication, The Plain Truth, reached 8 million subscribers.”
” The lush grounds of the church property, in a choice location in Pasadena, California, composed the church proper, the radio, television and printing ministry and Ambassador College and University which was subsidized by the massive amount of money received in donations as a result of the media ministry of Herbert W. Armstrong.”
“With the death of Herbert W. Armstrong in 1986, the organization that he founded began to fail, as it was held together only by his personality and media exposure. Donations fell and groups split off as they had done even in the good times. However, the church leadership began to realize and understand that what Herbert W. Armstrong had taught was not based on the Bible, and much of his doctrine was in error.”
Oh, Crap, the years and tons of that slick, never got to the point, ‘Christian Newsweek’ of the ‘Piped Piper of Pasadena’ ?????? Oh, Crap, and tons of my late father’s time and money.
My Dad, whom would declare, ‘__________ is the worst enemy this country has ever seen!’ —— and then a second politician a few minutes later, then a third and a four. Oh Crap!
When Dad passed on [DIED] the others wanted to throw the pounds of ‘The Plain Truth’ out in the trash. Believing in Freedom of Information and Freedom of the Press, I volunteered to donate them to the local library [in an ultra conservative, WASPish community of a conservative town of a conservative state of the union].
Even they just starred at me and then burst out laughing. They would not even take the free gift as potential ’sell off’ and the on going ‘Friends Of the Library’ table.
Being the stubborn cuss I am, I grabbed some thing to eat and came back after closing time. I left boxes and boxes of that unwanted Christain fantasy/ fiction at the back door.
I came back a couple of days later and [sure enuf] the mags were in the dumpster. This entire California AIP /IAP/ CP thing make SOME sense when you start to collect the back stories. Crap!
265 Don Grundmann // Jan 24, 2010 at 12:02 am
” Cosa Nostra // Jan 23, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Walt/Dee Mayer/whatever ”
Response – Cosa Nostra – You have nailed it. ” Walt,” ” Dee Mayer,” etc. are all Mark Seidenberg writing under different names.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
266 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 24, 2010 at 9:04 am
To: Walt
It looks like “THREE DATES DON” is out again with disinformation. Now he is claiming that
you are not real, viz., just a pen name of me.
“THREE DATES DON” went off the deep end
with this lie.
I do not even recall a dee meyer.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
267 Bruce Cohen // Jan 24, 2010 at 9:18 am
I don’t have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you that Mister Seidenberg is not a liar.
You guys may differ and disagree and have perspectives in conflict, but I guarantee you, Mark is not the type to hide behind a pen name.
268 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 24, 2010 at 4:23 pm
The new rules voted on by the American Independent Party State Central Committee will
be requiring that the circulator must be register to vote in the American Independent Party.
Bottom line Nightingale’s circulators of the in lieu petition in addition to be a registerd to vote
in the County of Circulation, since 13 January
2010 require the circulator to be register to vote in AIP. This requirement is binding on all
registrars of voters in California and will be noted by the Secretary of State tomorrow by
notice on January 25, 2010.
I plan is to visit every one of the 58 counties registrar in California to see that “Three Dates
Don” and the husband of the “Republican Business Woman of the Year” has complied
with proceedures and gather information,
based on authorization given me by the AIP SCC of 13 January 2010.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
The new rules for persons collect signatures in
lieu for the 2010 primary. In addition to being
registered to vote in the County and District. The collector must be
T
269 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 24, 2010 at 5:51 pm
But, but, but, Doctor Don Grundmann promised me, implying divine intervention, that it would be his candidate on the ballot in November.
Oh, sorry, wrong year! I was reflecting upon the FAILED Chuck Baldwin P2008 effort!
In Texas, “All Hat, No Cattle!”
270 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 24, 2010 at 7:58 pm
For those that will be Delegates to the 2010
Convention of the American Independent Party!
I was the 2008 Chairman of the American Independent Party Convention. We will have
a Convention again this year.
I am making the suggestion that this years convention take place on July 3, 2010. The
date will be set later this year by the American
Independent Party State Central Committee.
As to location, the California Election Code
tells the state central committee that it most
take place in Sacramento. It does note define
the limit of Sacramento within Election Code
section 7608(b). In the past (2006) Sacramento
County limits were used. However, Jim King
had a problem with that and went to court in 2008, because Nancy Spirkoff set the meeting
in or near the City of Rancho Cordova, Sacramento County. The next hearing on Jim
King’s current case of King vs. Robinson is set
for March 26, 2010, in the Superior Court
of Solano County at Fairfield.
I would like to now get the views of people reading this post, viz., should I ask the host
county to find the best location in the county
for the convention or should we limit the
search to the city limit of Sacramento?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
271 Don Grundmann // Jan 25, 2010 at 12:00 am
” Bruce Cohen // Jan 24, 2010 at 9:18 am
I don’t have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you that Mister Seidenberg is not a liar.
You guys may differ and disagree and have perspectives in conflict, but I guarantee you, Mark is not the type to hide behind a pen name.”
Response – Mr. Cohen – You are obviously completely unaware of the true character of Mark Seidenberg. I have documented his corruption at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. He is nothing but a liar. He attained his fake Vice-Chairman post completely by corruption as documented at the website. He writes under numerous pen names.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
272 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 26, 2010 at 4:37 am
I do not write under a pen name. “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann voted for me as Vice Chairman at the State Central Committee Meeting on September 3, 2006.
“Three Dates Don ” Grundmann claims he was
elected Vice Chairman at the State Central Committee in June, 2008 on three different
dates, viz., June 6, June 27, & June 29 in
Los Angeles.
However, the 2008 election to place in Sacramento, CA on July 6th. The American
Independent Party never meet in Los Angeles
in 2008.
Bottom line we have a person in the name of
Don Grundmann that tells a wild false story
of being elect to office and can’t remember the
prior dates he claimed be elected. Reason he
was not elected.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenbeerg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
on Sept
273 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Looks like the secretary of state has decided who is the legitmate party chair
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AdvisoriesToCountyElectionsOfficials/~3/x12JbC-Jfk8/10032em.pdf
If that link don’t work, follow the one here:
http://www.fightbackinsac.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4762
274 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 26, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Thank you Davi,
It looks like bad news for Chelene. She has been using non AIP circulators to collect signatures in lieu.
That is a clear reject. Looks like they will have to
be over. Maybe not. “Three Dates Don” Grundmann may give his blessing by over riding
the 13 January vote of the AIP State Central
Committee (which he heard over a telephone,
but would not come on line), because if he has the power to wish himself a Vice Chairmanship
on three different dates in June, 2008, while the
election was on July 6, 2008, then he should have the power in his own mind to make non-AIP electors an AIP elector.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
275 patriot // Jan 26, 2010 at 4:34 pm
can nightingale pay a filing fee to qualify or is it too late?
276 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 26, 2010 at 5:58 pm
patriot // Jan 26, 2010:
” ……. can nightingale pay a filing fee to qualify or is it too late?”
Lake: well there is always the GOP connection thing and the 12 month moratorium ………..
And Nightingale’s swagger and ‘I do not need additional allies, supporters or endorsements’ attitude of 2009 might come back to haunt her.
I can imagine that her and her team acted like every thing was a done deal ——– kinda like Captain Commander Cody Quirk and Doctor Donald J. Goo Goo did in early P2008
277 Don Grundmann // Jan 26, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Mr . Rodrigues – The personal corruption of Mark Seidenberg relevant to any of his comments and to the current status of the AIP is documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. The status of legal state officers is subject to a lawsuit against Mark Robinson to expose his corruption in the process of claiming to be the AIP Chairman which he is not. It really doesn’t matter how much you, Mark Seidenberg, Mark Robinson, or any other of your supporters such as Don Lake protest. The end of the Robinson/Seidenberg corruption is only a matter of time. These moral and literal criminals will be stopped and flushed from the party. The REAL AIP, the non-corruption faction, will win no matter how many rodents support their corruption.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
278 LibertarianGirl // Jan 26, 2010 at 10:20 pm
When?
279 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 26, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Mr Grundmann,
I don’t understand. Is the Secretary of State corrupt too? You’re saying what? That the last lawsuit coming before the court will overturn what the Secretary of State has officially declared?
I think Chelena is a rodent too by the way.
280 patriot // Jan 27, 2010 at 12:09 pm
What happens now..can she do a re-do? Or pay a filing fee instead of signatures….what are the time limits before primary?
281 Don Lake .......... More Hyperbole // Jan 27, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Davi Rodrigues // Jan 26, 2010:
“Mr Grundmann, I don’t understand. Is the [California] Secretary of State [Democratic Party Debra Bowen] corrupt too?”
As some one whom has also been affected by this and other West Coast elections officials, I have a certain take on things. The exact same thing [Rodney Martin verses John Blare] has happened with the Reform Party of California [no longer ballot access].
Not only am I a former Don Grundmann supporter [U. S. Senate 2004] and appreciate his previous pro abused veteran stances, but was [in principle, with limited information available] sympathetic with the Alan Keyes faction.
Corruption ????? Well the political position has evolved into a revolving door. More than one former SOS has resigned under a cloud.
Basically, I believe that the Democrats and the GOP are playing politics with non Democrats and non Republicans. A FORMER Secretary of State wiped out the ballot access of yet another minor party. Only a spontaneous response of wide spectrum activists, very few of them them with the targeted party, brought the partisans back to ballot access.
No matter whom is govenator, Wilson, Davis [successfully recalled], Der Ahnold, or whom is SOS, the minor parties are targeted! We are not paranoid; they are after us!
282 Don Grundmann // Jan 27, 2010 at 2:46 pm
” I think Chelena is a rodent too by the way.”
Response – Mr. Rodrigues – No surprise there. You wouldn’t be talking to Mark Seidenberg if you felt any differently. You’re just part of the rodent smear campaign against her.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
283 Davi Rodrigues // Jan 27, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Mr Grundmann,
What you consider a “smear” campaign, is really a truth campaign. You’ve got a tough job ahead of you trying to keep her past from catching up.
284 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 28, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I can not see how lightweight RINO Chelene will get anywhere since AIP State Chairman
Markham Robinson is the AIPer running for
Governor.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
285 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 28, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Remember that former State Chairman Ed
Noonen is running for the United States Senate.
Note Three Dates Don is an ultra feather weight
in politics and will lose to Noonan in the June 8th
election.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman
American Independent Party
286 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 29, 2010 at 2:57 pm
To: Davi & Don Lake:
On January 26th, Jim King’s Brewtown lawyer wrote “CourtCall erroneously used the former
case number, which they had on file based on
some hearings conductged last summer related
to the old case”. This statment is out right disinformation.
The current case is Case # FCS034452 in the
Solano Superior Court entitled KING v. ROBINSON. The old case with a different number
was dismissed by Mr. King without CourtCall having any part of his legal problems last October.
What happened is Mr. King’s Brewtown lawyer
screwed-up again, like in 2008 in Sacramento
and 2009 in Fairfield, in January 2010 in Fairfield
(before Judge Willliam C. Harrison) and tried to
shift the blame to the CourtCall (the company that
uses telecom communication with the court).
Bottom line is Jim King’s lawyer would not admit
he errored in the set-up of CourtCall. So he created some far out cock & bull story to try to
keep Jim King in the dark.
The leaders of the AIP will not fall for this disinformation. Bottom line is “THREE DATES
DON” and the “MATA HARI” Rayna’s husband
will not get away with hijacking the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
287 Don Grundmann // Jan 29, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Mr. Rodrigues – Go right ahead with your rodent campaign. The real truth of the utter and total corruption of Robinson, Seidenberg, Noonan, and doubtless yourself since you endorse them is shown at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com. The AIP voters of the state will know that Robinson and Noonan are the 2 most corrupt candidates to campaign for not only the AIP but for any party in the entire history of the state. They will automatically reject not only their evil but any and all persons, such as yourself and the ultra corrupt Mark Seidenberg, who are associated with them and endorse and applaud that evil. The Light of Truth will shine on both you and under the rock that you have crawled out from under. Your entire rodent rat pack will be annihilated. It is only a matter of time.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
288 Robert Lauten // Jan 29, 2010 at 10:47 pm
All of you guys should get back on your medications.
Calif. AIP candidate for State Treasurer.
289 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 30, 2010 at 12:49 am
Robert Lauten
You will make a good treasurer. OC will miss you when you move to Sacramento. Please note that
Don Grundmann is not the Vice Chairman of the AIP.
In fact Grundmann has not been on the National Committee, since September 2, 2008. He is still on
the State Central Committee.
As for Rayna she was the “Republican Business Woman of the Year”. This is the same person that
covered up her Republican (dis)honors to be come
a bogus officer in the American Independent Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
290 Don Grundmann // Jan 30, 2010 at 1:25 am
Robert – Please go to TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com where I have documented the corruption of Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, and Ed Noonan.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
291 Don Lake .......... Nonlibertarian Micromanagement ?????? // Jan 30, 2010 at 1:30 am
a letter from Don Grundmann,
Friday, January 29, 2010:
“Stoptheirs@aol.com”
To: Donlake@ymail.com
Don Lake – On Jan. 22nd you publicly accused me of a crime. I write now to give you the opportunity to apologize. One of the principles of lawsuits involves ” reasonableness.” With this letter I am building a case that I will use to present to the Judge. I will say – ” Your Honor, Mr. Lake publicly accused me of a crime. At the time when he did such accusation, and even now to the date of this court hearing, he had 1) no evidence of the commission of any crime; 2) no evidence of my knowledge of the commission of any crime; and 3) no evidence of my connection to any crime even if it had been committed. Your Honor, as you can see from the evidence I asked Mr. Lake multiple times to withdraw his false and libelous allegations. I have made multiple good faith and reasonable efforts to allow Mr. Lake to correct the damage which he has intended to inflict upon me. Yet, as you can see your Honor, Mr. Lake to this day has never retracted his libelous and slanderous attacks upon me. His unprovoked attacks which were, and still are, based upon no evidence whatsoever of any kind, were designed to harm my personal and professional reputation. As the evidence additionally demonstrated Mr. Lake also additionally attempted to harm my professional reputation and livelihood by sending slanderous and libelous allegations against me to the Board Of Chiropractic Examiners of the State of California. Mr. Lake did such actions when – 1) he had never met me personally; 2) he had never been treated by me for a health condition; 3) he knew no one who had been treated by me for a health condition; and 4) he had no knowledge of any aspect of my professional practice whatsoever. Hence his slanderous and libelous allegations against me were, and still are, complete fabrications; i.e; lies. Therefore your Honor I ask that the appropriate requested damages against Mr. Lake; inclusive of the cost of legal and technical experts which have been needed by myself to appropriately pursue justice in this case; be granted since the overwhelming and undisputed evidence shows that Mr. Lake acted with extreme malice against me in his libelous and slanderous actions.
So, Mr. Lake – I will win. I will win because of just the truths that I have stated. You have falsely accused me. And you will pay for your libelous and slanderous actions.
But I don’t want to sue you. And I will not sue you if you apologize publicly by midnight of 1-31-10. After that the clock starts ticking and I begin to hire lawyers and the technical experts that I mentioned about. The longer until you apologize the higher the bill goes. And YOU will pay the bill. No court in the land will defend you when you attack me with NO evidence of any possible ” crime.” And I am giving you the opportunity – RIGHT NOW – to simply apologize. You apologize – publicly retract your false accusations and admit their falsity – and I do not sue you. Very simple. I am being ” reasonable.” I am producing the evidence, including this letter, that I gave you multiple chances to draw back but that despite such opportunities you insisted on continuing your libelous and slanderous actions against me based upon zero evidence of any wrongdoing. So if you continue you will have no one to blame but yourself.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C., M.H., C.C.S.P., C.C.E.P., FICPA
425 E. Merle Ct., San Leandro, CA. 94577 San Leandro, Ca. 94577
Director – San Francisco Bay Area Freedom Law School
Director – American Warrior Ministry AmericanWarriorMinistry.org
2010 Candidate for United States Senate TRUTHUSA.ORG
Vice-Chairman American Independent Party; Constitution Party CA affiliate
Constitution Party National Committee member
Office – 510-8956789 STOPtheIRS@aol.com STOPtheIRS@hotmail.com
No direct un-apportioned tax confirmed by the US Supreme Court rulings in CHAS. C. STEWARD MACH. CO. v. DAVIS, 301 U.S. 548, 581-582(1937)
292 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 30, 2010 at 3:24 am
Don Lake
On September 2, 2006, Jim King was the credential committee chairman to the 2006 Convention of the American Independent Party.
He seated his wife as a member of that convention. However, she was registered to vote as a Republican. On July 20, 2007, Don
Grundmann voted to remove Rayna Mike-King
(wife of Jim King) from the SCC.
Section 7555 of the California Election Code states: “Membership in the state convention shall not be granted to any party nominee unless he or she is registered as being a member of this party”.
What should be the AIP State Central Committee’s reaction
to the Credentials Committee Chairman seating
his Republican wife as”bogas” delegate to the
2006 AIP Convention?
This Credential Committee Chairman is running
for Lt. Governor of California Now.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
293 Don Lake .......... Nonlibertarian Micromanagement ?????? // Jan 30, 2010 at 5:50 am
Jim King cares nothing about abused veterans,
my personal observation [and documenting
letters] from 1998 ………….
294 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 30, 2010 at 11:09 am
Don Lake,
“THREE DATES DON” Grundmann, has posted
he was elected Vice-Chairman of the American
Independent Party on three different dates in
June, 2008. He claims the dates of his elections
as June 6, 2008, June 27, 2008, and June 29, 2008.
Section 7641 of the California Election Code states: “The elective officers provided for in
the bylaws of this committee shall serve two-
year term.”
I took office as Vice Chairman of the American
Independent Party on September 3, 2006 for
a two-year term. I was re-elected for a second
two year term in 2008. This term will end on
mid-night September 2-3, 2010.
The AIP has only one Vice Chairman.
In fact, Dr. Don Grundmann on September 3,
2006 voted for me as Vice Chairman and Ed
Noonan for Chairman. Mr. Noonan is running
now for the United States Senate from California.
My suggestion if you live in California and would
like to help the American Independent Party, register in the AIP and vote for Ed Noonan in
the June 8, 2010 primary.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
295 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 30, 2010 at 11:40 am
To: LibertarianGirl
The date has passed for the Constitution Party
to complete a petition to be on the California
Ballot in 2010. Will they try a new in 2012?
Since they have not made headway in hijacking
the AIP, Nightingale and her followers might try
hijacking the Libertarian Party next.
On February 3, 2010 there will be a case management conference if the case of James King vs. Markham Robinson, Case No. FSC034452 before William C. Harrison, Judge
of the Solano Superior Court in Fairfield, CA.
at 9:00 a.m.
What do you think of a roll call vote at the 2010
AIP Convention?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
S
296 Mark Seidenberg // Jan 30, 2010 at 2:18 pm
In 2004 Rayna Mike King received the award of
being “Republican Business Woman of the Year”. Also in 2004 Abdul Tawala ibn Ali Alishtari received the award of being “Republican Business Man of the Year”.
On September 29, 2009, Abdul Tawala ibn Ali
Alishtari was convicted for being a Terriorist
Banker, by funding $152,000 for supplies to a
Taliban training camp in Afganistan.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
PS. A committee of the AIP is looking into a
connection between the above award winners
of 2004.
Therefore, any information on Tawala’s Foundation and Charities will be helpful
to the reasearch on Jim King. One of the
charities was Globel Peace Film Festival, Inc.
Tawala is a.k.a., Michael Mixon.
IDPixie LC is Tawala’s main business.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg
Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
297 Don Lake .......... I think // Feb 4, 2010 at 3:14 pm
this is a letter from Don Grundmann
Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:24 AM
“Stoptheirs@aol.com”
Donlake@ymail.com
Wednesday, 2-03-10
Mr. Lake – I was intending to write you a 3rd letter before midnight of 1-31 in order to give you a 3rd, and last, opportunity to apologize and withdraw your accusations that I have committed a crime before I initiate a lawsuit to defend myself.
As I was busy with other matters I have not taken the time to write such letter until now. Hence I am extending my deadline for your response to a week from today such time being midnight of Wednesday, February 10th.
As before I am writing this letter not only to give you a opportunity to retract your slanderous and libelous allegations but, with the expectation that you will not do so, to build my legal case against you.
For, as before, I am being completely ” reasonable ” by giving you ample opportunity to retract your statements. As before I don’t want to sue you or hurt you but since you have deliberately slandered and libeled me I will not let such attacks go unchallenged and will hence defend myself from your false accusations and statements.
Any Judge and/or jury hearing this case will have this and other letters as documentation to demonstrate that I sincerely and on multiple occasions presented to you an opportunity to retract your slanderous and libelous allegations but that you instead chose not to do so.
You will have had ample opportunity to reverse your actions with your failure to do so being entirely due to your own malice against me in this situation.
Failure to receive your retraction of your accusations by the noted time will result in the initiation of a legal remedy against your libelous and slanderous actions.
The monetary damages which will be sought against you will be for the accumulating legal costs which ensue from the moment of initiation in addition to other appropriate legal monetary remedies.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C., M.H., C.C.S.P., C.C.E.P., FICPA
425 E. Merle Ct., San Leandro, CA. 94577 San Leandro, Ca. 94577
Director – San Francisco Bay Area Freedom Law School
Director – American Warrior Ministry AmericanWarriorMinistry.org
2010 Candidate for United States Senate TRUTHUSA.ORG
Vice-Chairman American Independent Party; Constitution Party CA affiliate
Constitution Party National Committee member
Office – 510-8956789 STOPtheIRS@aol.com STOPtheIRS@hotmail.com
No direct un-apportioned tax confirmed by the US Supreme Court rulings in CHAS. C. STEWARD MACH. CO. v. DAVIS, 301 U.S. 548, 581-582(1937)
……. and again, from another post, any one know where long time conservative, Christain, Bible Beating activist Diane Templin [Sandy Ego County] stands on the Baldwin verses Keyes California food fight ?????????/
298 patriot // Feb 4, 2010 at 4:40 pm
say sorry or I’ll tell mom!! Say sorry!! SAY IT!!! say it!!! “MOM MOM!!!
299 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 5, 2010 at 1:30 am
To: Don Lake
Do not be fooled by THREE DATES DON Grundmann. He is not now and never has been
a Vice-Chairman of the American Independent
Party. In fact he voted for me as the Vice Chairman of AIP on September 3, 2006 for a full
two year term.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party.
P.S. Grundmann has increased his number on what he states was the count of members on the
AIP State Central Committee to 17 from his prior figure of only 9. Note the State Central
Committee is now growing in Grundmann mind
from 9 to 17 between postings.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
300 Don Lake .......... I think // Feb 5, 2010 at 1:46 am
patriot // Feb 4, 2010:
“say sorry or I’ll tell mom!! Say sorry!!”
thank you, Don Lake
301 Don Grundmann // Feb 5, 2010 at 4:55 pm
” Note the State Central
Committee is now growing in Grundmann mind
from 9 to 17 between postings.”
Response – To the ever lying bastard Mark Seidenberg – 9 is the majority of the State Central Committee total of 17 that, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BYLAWS OF THE AIP, called for the June 2008 convention at which Jim King was elected Chairman. You, being the lying bastard that you are, had a fake meeting of 5 people upon which you then filed fake papers with the SOS office. May God damn you for your evil.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
302 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 5, 2010 at 6:28 pm
TO: “THREE DATES DON” Grundmann
You state “9 is the majority of the State Central Committee total of 17 that, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BYLAWS OF THE AIP, called for the June 2008 convention at which Jim King was
elected Chairman.”
This is news to me. Are you now claiming that
Jim King was elected the chairperson at a Convention of the American Independent Party?
You must have a different set of by-laws than the
one issued by the AIP. How did you get such a
set of by-laws? My AIP By-Laws do not cover the Convention of the AIP.
Now to THREE DATES DON, what is the date and location that you claim the Convention elected you as the Vice-Chairman of the AIP?
In past posts you gave three dates, viz., June 6,
2008; June 27, 2008, & June 29. 2008.
Please also note that I filed no “fake papers with
the SOS office.”
It states in the Election Code section 7575 that
“The state convention shall be called to order
by the chairperson of the state central committee at 10 a.m. of the day designated for the convention.”
What was the “day designated for the convention.” in 2008? Please explain how you
can hold a convention when the Chairman Ed
Noonan did not call to order the convention?
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
303 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 7, 2010 at 12:11 pm
NEWS!
The January 5, 2010 figures are now posted by the SOS. First, the AIP registration is now up at
382,380 electors. The Libertarian Party is at
67,352. For the minor third parties that are not
quilified they are divided into two grouping, viz.,
those that were trying to get quilified, but failed
which total 24,109 of which the Reform Party
had 23,757 of that figure and those which made
no attempt to quilified which totaled 71,701. In
this later group falls electors that stated they were in the Constitution Party electors. The Hijackers think it would be easier to try to take
control of the AIP than to quilify the Constitution Party of California.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
304 Don Grundmann // Feb 7, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Mark Seidenberg – There are certainly many evil people in the world who impersonate being human beings but you and Mark Robinson are the most profoundly corrupt and evil things ( not humans ) that I personally know of. It is YOU who are the ” Hijackers ” who lied and filed fake papers with the SOS office. I have never met anyone, until you and Mark, who continuously and purposefully lies outright and NEVER STOPS. May God damn you for your evil.
Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party
305 Davi Rodrigues // Feb 7, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Mr. Grundmann,
If you have to depend on God to settle a petty mortal dispute, you obviously do not understand the faith. Earthly politics are creations of men, not gods. In any case, I would encourage you to stop placing so much emphasis on trying to frighten people into compliance, as it appears to be a failing effort. It failed Nightingale during the SaveOurState years, and I doubt it is serving her campaign well. I believe it is blasphemous to commandeer the name of God in an attempt to coerce political ends. It seems a contradiction to use it as a political tool of the constitution party when the founders sought very hard to keep the same type of government that empowered the king of England with Kings word = gods word out of the new world. I don’t think Chelena gets the constitution, and I question whether she gets God. Personally I don’t care for mortals invoking God’s name in their pursuit of earthly powers.
306 Paulie // Feb 7, 2010 at 2:40 pm
amen
307 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 8, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Don Lake,
THREE DATES DON Grundmann is now claiming that Markham Robinson and I are not
human. Why, I ask? Could it me because Mr.
Robinson is American Indian and I am Jewish.
That kind of sickness must be stopped. I beleive
the words from Dr. Grundmann is a hate crime.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
308 Mark Seidenberg // Feb 8, 2010 at 10:52 pm
THREE DATES DON Grundmann is a advacing
his anti Jewish and American Indian view, by
declaring Robinson and I as not a human.
I recall the German’s in WW II had a word for
Grundmann view, viz. “Untermensch”. How sick
is Grundmann , with such hate speech.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman,
American Independent Party
309 Don Lake .......... Excellent, excellent // Feb 8, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Mark Seidenberg // Feb 8, 2010:
“That kind of sickness must be stopped. I beleive
the words from Dr. Grundmann is a hate crime.”
[a] large envelope in postal system
[b] don’t tell me, tell http://www.chiro.ca.gov —- as crazy people should not be allowed to practice [do] medicine!
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