See UPDATE below in red.
The following is supposed to be the live broadcast of the LNC meeting, starting 8:30 AM Central time today. Tom Knapp plans to twitter from the meeting as well. For some background see here, here, and here.
In regards to some of the agenda items discussed in the last two links, IPR has received the text of the resolution of apology and restitution:
Resolution of Apology and Restitution
Whereas Treasurer Aaron Starr violated his fiduciary responsibility to the Libertarian Party and the members of the Party by:
1. Conspiring to violate the bylaws to unseat Mr. R. Lee Wrights, an At-Large member of the LNC, costing that body considerable time;
2. Publicizing confidential records of two donors (Mr. Sean Haugh and Mr. R. Lee Wrights) without their permission;
3. Failing to correct the errors in said records before their publication;
4. Using said records to libel both individuals by improperly characterizing Mr. Sean Haugh’s gift membership to Mr. R. Lee Wrights as “an illegal contribution”;
5. Using errors in said records to falsely claim that Mr. R. Lee Wrights was ineligible to be elected to the position of LNC Vice Chair in 2004;
6. Giving our paid FEC consultant, Ms Paula Edwards, incomplete information, causing her to render an opinion she later repudiated;
Therefore, be it resolved that Treasurer Aaron Starr is hereby required to publicize his written retraction addressing all six of the above errors, misstatements, and libel per se along with his written apology to both Mr. R. Lee Wrights and Mr. Sean Haugh. Failure to do so within the next 10 days shall result in an automatic dismissal from the LNC.
Further, because Mr. R. Lee Wrights and Mr. Sean Haugh may have suffered damage to their reputations due to Treasurer Aaron Starr’s disclosure, Mr. Starr is instructed to negotiate appropriate restitution with these two individuals and report on the results of these negotiations at the next LNC meeting.
UPDATE: We also received a legal opinion from Marakay Rogers in regards to this resolution. It is appended here.
Live show:
Chat:
Social Stream:
147 responses so far ↓
1 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 7:53 am
http://knappster.blogspot.com/2009/07/lnc-meeting-pre-game-show.html
2 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 7:58 am
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3 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 7:59 am
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4 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:26 am
It appears to now be streaming
5 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:32 am
knapp:
Gangs all here, meeting about to start. Booya! George Phillies just walked in!
6 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:34 am
public comments
7 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:35 am
Thomas Hill, i think
8 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:35 am
No other comments
9 Chris Bennett // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:48 am
After lunch I’ll be tweeting as well cbennett08
10 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:51 am
Agenda adoption, Ruwart wants to strike LaBianca discipline
11 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:51 am
Fails
12 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
http://twitter.com/thomaslknapp
13 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
10:06 paulieayatolie: http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/lnc-meeting-live-broadcast/
10:06 paulieayatolie: thumbs up http://www.nolanchart.com/article6640.html
10:06 paulieayatolie: anyone else here?
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Hi, I am here
10:06 paulieayatolie: Julie?
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes?
10:06 paulieayatolie: Just checking who. You appear here as LiveCircusLNC
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes, this is the account used. How is the audio?
10:06 paulieayatolie: sounds good
10:06 paulieayatolie: http://twitter.com/thomaslknapp
14 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:05 am
knapp: Agenda wrangling, Redpath and Mattson tagteaming to suppress Haugh, Starr feud.
5 minutes ago from txt
Order, moment of reflection, public comment, credentials, etc.
17 minutes ago from txt
15 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:05 am
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes?
10:06 paulieayatolie: Just checking who. You appear here as LiveCircusLNC
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes, this is the account used. How is the audio?
10:06 paulieayatolie: sounds good
10:06 paulieayatolie: http://twitter.com/thomaslknapp
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Alright
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: Please let me know if there are any problems with the audio quality as this progresses
11:07 paulieayatolie: ok
11:07 paulieayatolie: would help if there are more ppl, i may have to leave
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: np, thanks
16 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:08 am
Knapp: Ruwart heroic for Haugh, etc. Wrights, Lark too. Vote soon?
less than 5 seconds ago from txt
17 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:11 am
Motion to remove Haugh restitution items
18 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:12 am
8-8 tie
19 Chris Bennett // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:13 am
so the motion should fail then?
20 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:15 am
Knapp: Starr pouting.Wow, Mattson IS an idiot. Vote tie, chair votes with bad guys.
half a minute ago from txt
Paul: yay, less time wastage
21 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:15 am
I think that is what that means
22 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:17 am
Cheer for WV ballot access reform and my sigs here
23 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:18 am
9:05 paulieayatolie: el jizz ear a
9:05 paulieayatolie: all hookah akhbar
10:06 paulieayatolie: http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/lnc-meeting-live-broadcast/
10:06 paulieayatolie: thumbs up http://www.nolanchart.com/article6640.html
10:06 paulieayatolie: anyone else here?
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Hi, I am here
10:06 paulieayatolie: Julie?
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes?
10:06 paulieayatolie: Just checking who. You appear here as LiveCircusLNC
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: Yes, this is the account used. How is the audio?
8:43 paulieayatolie: sounds good
8:56 paulieayatolie: http://twitter.com/thomaslknapp
8:58 LiveCircusLNC: Alright
9:00 LiveCircusLNC: Please let me know if there are any problems with the audio quality as this progresses
9:03 paulieayatolie: ok
9:03 paulieayatolie: would help if there are more ppl, i may have to leave
9:04 LiveCircusLNC: np, thanks
9:13 Tannim123: Here only shortly, have to go to ConCon mtg for LPCA. what’ happenning?
9:15 Tannim123: Why is Carling at the table? He’s not on the Board!
9:15 LiveCircusLNC: I don’t know
9:16 LiveCircusLNC: Parlimtarian
9:16 Tannim123: So? That’s still a decorum breash
9:16 Tannim123: breach
9:17 Tannim123: OK, audio better. Was my laptop
9:17 LiveCircusLNC: Alright
9:17 LiveCircusLNC: I’ve been trying keep it level
9:18 Tannim123: Yeah, that one was me not checking my volumes
9:18 Tannim123: reception looks great
24 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:19 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: That is good to know
11:07 Tannim123: except for the mug on it, of course.
9:18 LiveCircusLNC: I have been trying to save it in chunks.
9:19 LiveCircusLNC: Hopefully they will come out nicely too
25 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:22 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: Hopefully they will come out nicely too
11:07 Tannim123: That’s the best way to do it. In my case it was because of the tech problems, but when I was taping Agrella debates I split it up by issue.
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: yeah
26 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:26 am
Knapp: Not a complete loss. Publicly made Redpath pee on floor, hide behind Mattson’s skirt.
27 Chris Bennett // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:26 am
Redpath watches south Park…i’m shocked!
28 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:30 am
Also, redtube.com
29 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:31 am
9:30 Tannim123: “magnificient patriot”? Who was the stoner who said that?
9:31 LiveCircusLNC: I don’t know.
30 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:32 am
Times keep changing around on ustream chat, weird..
31 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:33 am
Redpath is big on 4chan
32 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:39 am
11:07 Tannim123: OK, I’m out. Lidia’s in momentarily, I’m off to the ConCon mtg at USC.
33 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:43 am
thomaslknapp:
Rachel sez ‘decorum caucus tosses decorum out the window’
34 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:45 am
p] Well, they will waste time on LaBianca discipline, but at least it’s not as much time as they were going to waste on Haugh’s litigious fantasies.
35 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:48 am
9:45 Semyaza: Gene Trosper here…
9:45 Semyaza: ARRGGGGHHHHH My eyes are burning!
9:46 paulieayatolie: too much acid in dropper, or wrong kind?
9:47 LiveCircusLNC: Hi, this is Julie Stone. I’m manning the camera and audio. Please let me know if there are any problems on this end with the feed.
9:47 Semyaza: That face over by the screen…such horror
9:47 Semyaza: Will do..you the circus master?
36 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:49 am
9:47 LiveCircusLNC: naah, just a peon.
9:48 Semyaza: Good job so far
9:48 LiveCircusLNC: Rachel Hawkridge set this channel up.
9:48 Semyaza: Kudos to Rachel
37 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:00 am
9:53 Semyaza: Paulie: you there in St. Louis?
9:59 paulieayatolie: Morgantown, WV
38 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 am
10:00 Semyaza: Oh…If you were there, i was going to request you interview a couple people on the live feed during breaks. That would be a neat breakthrough for IPR.
10:02 paulieayatolie: Maybe Knapp can do that?
39 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:04 am
10:02 paulieayatolie: Maybe Knapp can do that?
10:02 LiveCircusLNC: He is out in the lobby at this time.
10:02 Semyaza: Knapp would be an excellent choise…if he’s willing, of course.
10:02 Semyaza: choice*
10:03 LiveCircusLNC: He said NP
10:03 Semyaza: Rock on, Knapp.
40 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:17 am
Break, executive session
41 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:23 am
Knapp interviewing Lark.
Lark is chair of Board of Directors of the Advocates now.
42 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:28 am
10:25 Semyaza: Just a tip for the next interview: have the interviewee speak a bit louder and face toward the camera more.
10:25 Semyaza: Knapp came through loud and clear, but lark was muted.
10:25 LiveCircusLNC: We will get background noise no matter what.
10:26 Semyaza: Not an issue with background noise
10:26 LiveCircusLNC: An executive scession will be next. I am going to have to close down the broadcast for the duration of the scession.
10:26 Semyaza: Understood.
10:27 Semyaza: I need to start getting ready for my trip to long beach to see the Queen mary.
43 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:42 am
Why has the comment section become a place for “Paulie” to verbally urinate? 39 out of 42 comments, most of them half-thoughts meaningless to most.
He has an arrogant lack of respect for everyone else, he should not be allowed more than 5% of the comments.
44 George Phillies // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:50 am
The motion on LaBianca stayed on the floor. Ruwart tried to strike the Labiance and something else motion, and appeared to have limited support even from the radical caucus.
The motion to strike the Sean Haugh and something else was stricken. There was a hand vote on Mattson’s motion to strike the Sean Haugh issue passed 9-8.
Voting in favor of striking were, so far as I could see,
Sink-Burris
Mattson
Hinkle
Sullentrup
Jingozian
Starr
Flood
Karlan
Voting against were
Fox
Rob Latham
Ruwart
Lark
Wrights
Colley
Dixon
Hawkridge
The chair voted YES to break the tie.
There was not a roll call vote, but there was a hand vote.
In other notes: Austin Peterson is leaving us for Cato. The chair signed a contract with Wes Benedict to make him Executive Director. It appeared that the Treasurer had issues with the contract. For starters, the estimated surplus for the year had been $69,000, which will not pay for a plausible ED salary.
Karlan moved to limit distribution of financial reports to 2008 delegates who are sustaining members. State delegates who are state rather than national party members are apparently second class citizens.
John Buttrick gave a talk someplace that I did not catch saying the LP increasingly did not matter.
45 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 10:52 am
You want a place with comment quotas? You’re in the wrong place.
You may want to take a look at who posted the article, genius. If I did not post this article you would have 0% of the comments. Other people are welcome to comment or not comment as much or as little as they want. That includes me.
I actually have a lot of respect for most of the people here, but that would not include you.
Also, if you pay any attention, most of those comments are not actually mine, I’m just reporting them.
Anyway, I’m done urinating on you, time to flush and wash my hands.
46 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 11:30 am
I wonder if anyone will feel the least bit uneasy about an agenda item where I am not present to make a statement, or answer questions., or respond in any other fashion.
This whole “agenda item” regarding me is very amusing. Karlan says everyone will be happy with his motion . . . even me! We’ll see. I am so ascared!
47 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 11:36 am
Also interesting, is that a much more serious agenda item regarding Starr/Haugh, was swept under the rug by the Reformers, while a ridiculous agenda item regarding me is kept.
Also interesting that Dan Karlan voted to strike the Starr/Haugh agenda item, but was the one to introduce the agenda item regarding me! Where are this man’s priorities? In the toilet, I’d say.
48 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 11:51 am
Seeing the live stream, am I mistaken that Rob Latham is standing in for me? The board accepts that? What about my acceptance or rejection of it?
This board is acting more and more like the state every day, like court dockets saying “the People vs. . . .”. Is this like “LNC vs. Steve LaBianca”, with a court appointed attorney (Latham) in my stead?
49 Rob Latham // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Steve,
I spoke with Dan and we’re not going to do that. So, you’re on your own.
50 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Hey Rob, thanks for the update. However, as Mary Ruwart had pointed out in her objection of the motion, the core problem is that “I am on my own” in the sense that the board is free to conduct this agenda item with zero input from me.
Anybody ever heard of a “kangaroo court”?
51 Michael H. Wilson // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:17 pm
My audio is not working so I appreciate the written comments. Keep it going one and all.Thanks,
MW
52 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I’d also re-emphasize that this whole “Discipline – or not – of Steve LaBianca” to be a huge representation of what the LNC is about . . . a Reform Caucus agenda to focus the LP on “Just Win, Baby”, and take up valuable time to shed a bad light upon those who challenge that “win” objective”.
53 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Also interesting, is that a much more serious agenda item regarding Starr/Haugh, was swept under the rug by the Reformers, while a ridiculous agenda item regarding me is kept.
Both should have been stricken, use the time more productively!
54 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Regarding the vote for striking the Starr/Haugh agenda item – “The chair voted YES to break the tie.”
It should now be clear for everyone to see, that Redpath is a tool of Aaron Starr.
It would seem to me, that in an 8 to 8 tie, Redpath, in being “non-partisan” would allow the agenda item to go forward. Guess what . . . Redpath ISN’T non-partisan!
55 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 12:56 pm
“I hope that you will proceed in a spirit of amity, and urge you to use your time productively. Do not waste it on internal bickering, attempts to censure or expel other Libertarians, and other such trivia. Our country is in deep trouble.”
-David Nolan
http://www.nolanchart.com/article6640.html
56 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm
What, Redpath is even-handed?
57 A Girl Who Knows // Jul 18, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Are they done with staff reports?
58 libertariangirl // Jul 18, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Steve ,maybe Redpath just thought it a waste of time like most folks . for gods sake Id say as Chair getting real business done is his first priority.
I saw him at FFest , whn i worked the LP booth , he came by alike 20 times to see if there was anything i needed .
59 Michael H. Wilson // Jul 18, 2009 at 2:03 pm
I’d be interested in knowing some of the info in the Treasurer’s report.
Are we FEC compliant?
And how is fundraising going compared to previous years at this time?
What are the membship numbers looking like?
Do we see any states that have had improvements and if so why?
Any analysis as to why?
Thanks,
MW
60 Steve LaBianca // Jul 18, 2009 at 2:28 pm
lib-girl;
When a vote is divided 8 – 8, Redpath is then put in the position of deciding for the LNC, whether or not the question is up or down.
My assertion was, that when put in this position, he will err on the side of his cronies Starr, Mattson, et al. Thus, he is not even handed.
61 libertariangirl // Jul 18, 2009 at 3:03 pm
maybe thats the side he believes in
62 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Not everything is one sided, on this one I would have voted as Redpath did, but I would not generally line up with Starr.
63 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:04 pm
1:09 LiveCircusLNC: Had some video problem, it should be corrected now.
5:13 LiveCircusLNC: Hello, they have opened up the scession again.
64 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:20 pm
thomaslknapp:
Back from lunch & exec session, talking about new ways to hide what kind of fuckery the LNC gets up to.
65 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:42 pm
6:14 linnabary: what are they voting on?
4:27 paulieayatolie: thomaslknapptwitter:Back from lunch & exec session, talking about new ways to hide what kind of fuckery the LNC gets up to.
4:40 LiveCircusLNC: I don’t know what section they are asking for a proposed review
66 Nicholas Sarwark // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Does anyone have text or substance of the LaBianca agenda item?
67 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Substance is that he is supposed to be reprimanded for refusing to sign that he has read or watched a video about the sexual harassment policy and understands it.
68 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:01 pm
4:57 scarlets: Thanks for doing this I had to work and couldnt make it.
4:57 LiveCircusLNC: Welcome
69 Nicholas Sarwark // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Learning how to choose one’s battles is an important skill to master. Sometimes winning costs significantly more than letting things slide.
70 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:19 pm
True
71 Robert Capozzi // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:21 pm
ns, YES!!! Choosing battles is not only an important skill generally, but it’s pretty much everything in politics.
72 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:24 pm
They seem to have an inverse prioritization at LNC
73 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 5:59 pm
7:15 LiveCircusLNC: Have a good evening.
74 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 6:00 pm
If anyone missed it and wants to see it archives are at
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/LiveCircusLNC
75 Michael H. Wilson // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:11 pm
My audio is down so I didn’t follow anything add to that I have been working on an article for the news letter.
Did we get a Treasurer report and did they get around to Mary’s issue on APRC?
Thanks,
MW
76 paulie // Jul 18, 2009 at 8:36 pm
There was a treasurer’s report, and some consideration of aprc.
77 libertariangirl // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:18 pm
super high Me__maybe Redpath just thought it a waste of time like most folk
sober me_ my bad he voted TO waste time…
he was still nice at F.F:)
78 mdh // Jul 18, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Being sober is silly.
79 libertariangirl // Jul 19, 2009 at 3:00 am
obviously im still high , im confused , there were in fact 2 ridiculous wastes of time in the agenda.
its easy to see how someone could be confused. ecspecially when both sides claim legitimacy to their scolding and point fingers at the other for wasting time.
80 Thomas L. Knapp // Jul 19, 2009 at 5:32 am
libertariangirl,
You’re right. You are confused.
81 libertariangirl // Jul 19, 2009 at 5:57 am
sorry it hard to keep track of all the reindeer games
82 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 7:20 am
You were right the first time
83 George Phillies // Jul 19, 2009 at 7:57 am
@66
Labianca has not been informed of the issue, when last I was in touch with him. The assertion that it has to do with the sexual harassment policy that ignores LNC members who routinely address one regional representative as “Doctor Lark” and another regional representative not as “Mrs. Hawkridge” but as “Rachel” — as visible a sign of misogynistic harassment as you can get — is a sensible speculation but not based on what Mr Karlan said yesterday.
84 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:00 am
That’s new info. What did he say yesterday?
85 A Girl Who Knows // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:04 am
Whoa wtf?! Austin Peterson is leaving?!!?
86 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:06 am
That’s unfortunate for the LP. Austin was IMO the best employee LPHQ had. Tell him to stay in touch with us.
87 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:11 am
10:06 paulieayatolie: salami alley cum
10:06 paulieayatolie: what’s with the bells?
88 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:25 am
10:06 nsarwark: bells?
10:06 nsarwark: What’s on the agenda for this morning?
8:24 LiveCircusLNC: Hello
8:24 paulieayatolie-1: I keep hearing them
8:24 paulieayatolie-1: LNC inaction…I mean…LNC in action
8:25 LiveCircusLNC: There is about 140 minutes of agenda items today
89 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:26 am
10:06 nsarwark: any not to be missed highlights?
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: It is suppose to start about 8:30 today. There was a short chairman meeting at 8:00am
10:06 LiveCircusLNC: I don’t know.
8:25 LiveCircusLNC: I don’t have a copy of the agenda
90 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:29 am
10:06 paulieayatolie: Some of it got changed around but there’s a copy at IPR
10:06 paulieayatolie: http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/libertarian-national-committee-to-meet-this-weekend-in-st-louis/
91 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:30 am
Haugh weighs in http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=2858 and http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=2856
92 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:31 am
Resolution of appreciation for Austin Petersen
93 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:33 am
No new tweets yet today from Knapp, Bennett
94 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:36 am
Latest from Phillies is about Barr
http://www.thedailyliberty.com/story/2009/7/11/10721/3352
95 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:41 am
Latest from Hawkridge
http://lncregion7.blogspot.com/2009/07/region-7-report-submitted-to.html
96 mdh // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:49 am
Them brothers round the corner, they wanna start a fight.
97 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:51 am
Latest from Hogarth
http://www.colliething.com/2009/07/m-carling-stupid-or.html
98 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 8:57 am
Matt is a big Afroman fan
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=afroman&search_type=&aq=f
99 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:00 am
The Angry Anal song dedicated to A.
100 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:02 am
Latest from Brian Holtz
http://libertarianintelligence.com/2009/07/prof-long-what-is-right-party-for-me.html
101 mdh // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:03 am
So is Jake…
Mike and Beka, not so much.
102 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:12 am
Steve Gordon:
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-9094-Birmingham-Libertarian-Examiner~y2009m5d24-Dont-read-this-if-you-arent-a-libertarian-blogger
103 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:16 am
104 Chuck Moulton // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:20 am
Dr. Phillies,
I don’t think “Dr. Lark” cf. “Rachel” is misogynistic. Addressing someone with an earned title as such and others with first names is not per se sexist. However, your point would be apt if Dr. Ruwart were addressed as “Mary” because then it is an apples to apples comparison.
105 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:20 am
Next Free Voice
http://pauliecannoli.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/crossfertilizing-on-the-left-and-right-and-what-is-effective-outreach/
106 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:22 am
11:07 tannim123: ugh
11:07 tannim123: too damn early for a Sunday on the worst coast
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: hehe
11:07 tannim123: WTF is Colley talking about?
9:21 LiveCircusLNC: The 2010 Convention
9:21 LiveCircusLNC: in St Louis. Getting someone to help out.
9:21 tannim123: Ah. He’s not very audible in his voice
107 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:23 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: He does have a soft voice.
108 Gene Trosper // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:23 am
Last night, I plugged the LP to a friend in another state and they responded with this comment: “I looked at the website and you look like a bunch of Republicans”.
My heart sank.
109 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:26 am
Sundwall: http://www.ericsundwall.com/2009/06/how-to-abolish-your-government.html#more
110 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:27 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: He does have a soft voice.
11:07 paulieayatolie: TR: “speak softly and carry a big stick”
11:07 tannim123: yeah, but nowadays it should be “speak softly into the miceophone and carry a high-voltage taser.” LOL
111 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:28 am
Last night, I plugged the LP to a friend in another state and they responded with this comment: “I looked at the website and you look like a bunch of Republicans”.
My heart sank.
LP Anarchist Caucus website coming soon
112 Gary Chartier // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:32 am
@83, @104: just to add fuel to the fire–has it occurred to anyone to ask why the officials of a party whose most moderate members are, presumably, skeptical about the state and its military machine seem so careful to use the state-conferred title “Admiral”?
I’d vote for “Mr.” and “Ms.” or, better yet, first names for everyone. But the implicit deference to the military as an institution seems a little surprising.
113 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:32 am
http://c4ss.org/content/798
Republicans: The Fake Party of Small Government
Posted by Kevin Carson on Jul 17, 2009
114 mdh // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:34 am
I’d go with first names for all. Or even self-chosen nick-names. For example, if paulie were on the LNC, he’d be Joey Coconuts.
115 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:34 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: The Admeral is a very soft speaker
11:07 Semyaza: mybe we can do an MST3K thing and make up dialogue on our own.
11:07 tannim123: no kidding gene
11:07 Semyaza: nevermind. I had my volume turned off! *slaps forehead*
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: User error.
11:07 tannim123: Carling is the bubble gum machine–he’s built like that
11:07 Semyaza: very much so!
11:07 tannim123: short, skinny, and gums up everything.
11:07 Semyaza: So, what has been ACCOMPLISHED?
11:07 tannim123: i forogt to ask, who’s running the camera this morning?
9:32 LiveCircusLNC: They removed the review of the strigic plan by the LNC.
9:33 LiveCircusLNC: Julie Stone again
9:33 tannim123: Hi julie, mike here
9:33 Semyaza: Gene Trosper here.
9:33 tannim123: so we still don’t have a strategy then…
9:33 LiveCircusLNC: Tom Knapp is sitting next to me.
116 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:35 am
If Matt was on the LNC, he’d be Goober.
117 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:36 am
11:07 LiveCircusLNC: Tom Knapp is sitting next to me.
11:07 Semyaza: Last night, I plugged the LP to a friend in another state and they responded with this comment: “I looked at the website and you look like a bunch of Republicans”. My heart sank.
11:07 Semyaza: Greetings, Mr. Knapp.
11:07 tannim123: ouch. LP or LPCA?
11:07 Semyaza: LP
11:07 tannim123: sounds like a comment to relay to Wes.
9:35 Semyaza: Oh, believe me: it will be relayed. I even looked at the site and honestly, i have to agree.
9:35 LiveCircusLNC: knapp here — hiya back at
9:35 tannim123: Lee just tweaked Aaron’s tail on costs-LOL
9:35 tannim123: hi tom!
118 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:44 am
9:37 Semyaza: Mike: I want to get together soon and talk about plans for Riverside County and perhaps have an informal meeting with berdoo folk about coordination.
9:40 tannim123: Talk to Paul Darr about the SDB side since he’s the new chair up there.
9:41 Semyaza: Will do.
9:41 tannim123: Whenever you want, though it’s cool, just come on by!
9:42 Semyaza: Last time I did it, it was a fail. You were gone and Lidia didn’t hear the doorbell. LOL
9:42 tannim123: Doorbell still acting weird, dunno why. Just knock.
9:43 Semyaza: I did…weird. Oh well. I’ll just call next time.
9:43 tannim123: Cleveland? Only if the keynote is Drew.
9:43 tannim123: Yeah, that works too. Lid might have been in the back or asleep
119 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:46 am
11:07 Semyaza: Bring me up to speed. I’m having a hard time hearing all the talking. is there talk about moving the national convention?
11:07 tannim123: they were talking about a 2012 site search
11:07 Semyaza: Okay. Thanks.
11:07 tannim123: 2010 is still St. Louis
11:07 Semyaza: Clevalnd? NO.
11:07 tannim123: ES or a break?
9:46 paulieayatolie: LP Anarchist Caucus website coming soon
9:46 Semyaza: The prez nominating convention really needs good media access.
9:46 tannim123: open source, I hope, paulie. LOL
9:46 Semyaza: Coolio, paulie.
120 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:49 am
9:46 Semyaza: Anarchism is inherently open source.
9:47 tannim123: right, which is why it has to be someplace worthwhile
9:48 tannim123: Chicago would be cool, but too close to St. Louis. Of course, I’m biased, I grew up in part there
9:48 Semyaza: Chicago, Seattle, LA, San Diego, Miami, Dallas would be good choices with excellent media markets.
121 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:50 am
thomaslknapp:
Talking about convention … sorry about light tweeting but it’s hard to make sense @ 140 chars
4 minutes ago from txt
122 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:52 am
Less Antman
http://anarchywithoutbombs.com/2009/07/10/libertarian-party-anarchist-caucus/
123 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:53 am
11:07 Semyaza: New Orleans would be a good choice as well.
9:52 Semyaza: Mike, check out the Outright Libertarians Facebook page. I posted a proposed outreach opportunity for next month.
9:52 tannim123: I tweeted that to Hawk and she disagreed. I also suggesed Tampa. Orlando would be insane at memorial day, dunno about Miami
9:52 tannim123: OK
124 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:54 am
9:54 Semyaza: Disagreed about Nawlins? The place would be a hotbed of issues for the LP: gun confiscation, failed levees….the list goes on.
125 mdh // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:55 am
Pittsburgh @ 2012.
126 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:56 am
9:54 paulieayatolie: They like to have it in states with strong state parties
9:55 paulieayatolie: Austin, Pittsburgh?
9:55 Semyaza: yeah, I know. hasn’t done much to build the brand or build the party either.
9:55 Semyaza: Austin would be cool.
127 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:58 am
9:56 tannim123: They want to go eastward and be in airline hib cities. At that rate 2014 will be in Paris
9:56 tannim123: cant see your post there gene, is it on the wall?
9:56 Semyaza: yes.
9:56 tannim123: hmm.
9:57 LiveCircusLNC: They will do one more public scession then go into exec scession for the rest of the day.
9:57 Semyaza: I just checked. It’s still there. In fact, it’s the ONLY wall posting. You looking at the Outright LA page?
9:57 tannim123: oh, LA, was at the wrong one…
128 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 9:59 am
9:58 tannim123: Karlan up on LaBianca now.
9:58 Semyaza: *grabs popcorn*
129 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:01 am
http://www.playboy.com/girls/landingpages/tanlines/indexsanford.html
130 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:01 am
10:00 tannim123: ironic that he gives a history of the SH policy while standing next to the twerp that caused it to be written in Carling.
10:00 tannim123: and not mentioning that part of it
10:00 Semyaza: I think it’s already pretty well known.
131 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:02 am
10:01 tannim123: whereas, LaBianca is not here to defend himself, be it resolved that Karlan is an ass.
10:02 tannim123: He just moved to COMMEND LaBianca for taking the heat?
10:02 tannim123: That is so stupid
132 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:07 am
thomaslknapp
Karlan moves to commend LaBianca … covers LNC’s ass!
less than 20 seconds ago from txt
133 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:07 am
10:03 paulieayatolie: lol
10:04 tannim123: AsS is such a tool
10:06 tannim123: Dixon?
10:07 Semyaza: Sounds like it
134 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:14 am
10:12 tannim123: Was there something in the resolution that releases the LNC from liability if a member refuses to sign or acknowledge the policy?
10:12 tannim123: motion withdrawn. That was a waste of time
10:13 Semyaza: But it was enough to muddy someone’s name.
10:13 tannim123: yup
10:13 tannim123: but they couldn’t really do anything either
135 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:58 am
12:08 Semyaza: Definitely. I take it to the next level. stupid Bylaws report and the slag in that???
12:08 tannim123: I think I want to show up in St. Louis with Lid on one arm and Kate O-Brien on the other. That would be taking it to the next level.
12:08 Semyaza: OH! BRILLIANT!
12:08 paulieayatolie: badges? we don’t need no stinkin badges
12:08 tannim123: They want to require a badge check to enter the floor. It’s in the Bylaws Report proposals.
12:08 tannim123: Yeah, I know, it is totally
12:08 tannim123: but it’s there
12:08 Semyaza: Well, I can understand that, but aren’t delegate chairs responsible for keeping their respective delegates in check?
12:08 Semyaza: Mike; you need to get a pimp outfit for St. Louis.
12:08 Semyaza: The Mac Daddy Caucus
10:19 paulieayatolie: imperato ice cream suit
10:19 paulieayatolie: pimperato
10:19 Semyaza: LMAO
10:19 tannim123: I have one, but it needs wingtips that are comfortable to walk around in
10:19 tannim123: And a good fedora
10:20 Semyaza: Fullerton has a great Zoot Suit shop on harbor Blvd.
10:20 tannim123: Actually, I think they took that proposal out. But, yes, it is the delegate chair’s job. Kevin and Zander and Co. did a good job on that in denver.
10:21 tannim123: I need the Henry Blake Abyssinia Suit
10:21 LiveCircusLNC: I think I might need to go blind before the next convention.
10:21 paulieayatolie: http://www.playboy.com/girls/landingpages/tanlines/indexsanford.html
10:22 Semyaza: The back of the room should be for observers and delegate chairs should be responsible for their respective delegates. Simple & non-bureaucratic.
10:22 paulieayatolie: http://www.playboy.com/girls/landingpages/tanlines/indexsanford.html
10:22 tannim123: yeah, i agree, except that the back of the room gets filled with CA delegates because of their inane seating rules
10:24 tannim123: nice, paulie, but what does she have to do with anything?
10:24 Semyaza: Nothing! And that’s the point!
10:24 Semyaza: At least to me….
10:24 Semyaza: A nice distraction from Karlan
10:25 paulieayatolie: Someone said something about goig blind
10:25 paulieayatolie: pimping, and california
10:26 tannim123: To quote the WWE Godfather, “Pimpin’ ain’t easy!”
10:26 paulieayatolie: Stewart Flood says mark sanford is a libertarian
10:27 paulieayatolie: …but its damn sure fun
10:27 tannim123: Peter Griffin said what?
10:30 Semyaza: Pimpin Snooky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q8zcdjvshQ
10:31 paulieayatolie: ipr seems to have died
10:32 tannim123: down or died?
10:32 paulieayatolie: not reloading
10:33 tannim123: whispering?
10:34 tannim123: Karlan complains aboutr motions on teh floor being bad? Has he even read his own
10:34 paulieayatolie: thomaslknappBylaws & policy manual. I could really use a beer, or maybe a hammer to pound on my own thumbs with.4 minutes ago from txt
10:35 paulieayatolie: viewers dropping like flies
10:35 LiveCircusLNC: Time for church
10:35 tannim123: Pray for us all. We need all the help we can get.
10:36 tannim123: Especially with this crowd!
10:36 tannim123: Gene, that olympus event sounds good. Ping Angela on it.
10:36 Semyaza: Sent her a mesage last night.
10:36 paulieayatolie: Is it true that there are no Sunday day of the week panties?
10:36 tannim123: Although I can’t see Rob Power in leather
10:37 tannim123: just Sunday, paulie?
10:37 paulieayatolie: they have every other day
10:37 Semyaza: No-one said booth workers had to wear lether…but dnim would work.
10:38 Semyaza: I misspelled “denim” & “leather”. Must repent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Gh_6vNEqs
10:38 tannim123: LOL
10:39 tannim123: Starr mumbles again. The man is so useless.
10:41 paulieayatolie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_qeFVbj_U&feature=related
10:45 Semyaza: And in the meantime, soneone is getting arrested for marijuana, another is losing their home or business to eminent domain, war rages on, taxes continue to rise….
10:47 Semyaza: I’d like to see the LNC adopt a liberty action item each meeting to work on and then report on the action and results at the following meeting.
10:47 paulieayatolie: good idea
10:47 tannim123: that takes real work, Gene. Not gonna happen
10:48 tannim123: I pinged Angela on your idea, BTW.
10:48 Semyaza: It’s always easier to propose new levels of bureacracy to give one the feeling of having done something and justify their position on the LNC.
10:49 tannim123: yup.
10:50 paulieayatolie: go wv!
10:53 tannim123: I’m getting breakfast now that :id has the bread out of the oven. BBS.
136 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 10:59 am
thomaslknapp
Main motions in writing, yah … on to nondisclosure .@
3 minutes ago from txt
Bylaws & policy manual. I could really use a beer, or maybe a hammer to pound on my own thumbs with.
20 minutes ago from txt
Karlan moves to commend LaBianca … covers LNC’s ass!
40 minutes ago from txt
137 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:04 am
11:03 Semyaza: Hey paulie: thanx for the tanline link you provided. i discovered Kata Karkkainen as a result! WOW!
11:03 paulieayatolie: Youre welcome. BTW ipr just came back on
138 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:07 am
11:03 paulieayatolie: Youre welcome. BTW ipr just came back on
11:04 Semyaza: Yeah, IPR was down for me as well.
11:05 paulieayatolie: Lorna Hopper is my top pick
139 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:13 am
11:08 paulieayatolie: no kidding
11:09 tannim123: who
11:09 tannim123: who’s this?
11:10 Semyaza: I’m liking the speaker. he is action-oriented.
11:10 LiveCircusLNC: NH chairman doing public comments
11:10 Semyaza: Didn’t catch the name
11:10 Semyaza: Oh
11:10 tannim123: ah
11:10 paulieayatolie: ya
11:11 Semyaza: harder
11:11 paulieayatolie: fasta
11:11 Semyaza: A little to the left
11:12 Semyaza: Okay…back to listing to the speaker.
140 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:15 am
11:14 LiveCircusLNC: Gene Hawkridge from Seattle
[p: New speaker]
141 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:16 am
Knapp, Phillies
142 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:17 am
11:14 LiveCircusLNC: Gene Hawkridge from Seattle
11:15 Semyaza: Mike: I checked the RivCo Lp bylaws and i can call an executive committee meeting with 7 days notice. I want to hold a meeting on Wednesday, the 29th. Can your place be available?
11:15 LiveCircusLNC: George Phillies speaking
11:16 LiveCircusLNC: Brady speaking now
11:16 tannim123: evening is better, but ask Lid. I just sleep here during the week.
11:16 tannim123: Fridays always good.
143 paulie // Jul 19, 2009 at 11:26 am
11:21 LiveCircusLNC: Ok, it sounds like the rest of the day is pretty much exec scession or members only. As such, the broadcast is finished.
11:21 LiveCircusLNC: Thank you for viewing.
11:21 Semyaza: Thanks!
11:22 tannim123: c ya!
11:22 Semyaza: The highlight for me was hearing the activist-centered speakers during open comments. It was a plesant contract to the mind numbing bureacracy otherwise being discussed.
11:23 Semyaza: pleasant contrast, rather.
11:25 paulieayatolie: exactly
144 paulie // Jul 21, 2009 at 9:13 am
Phillies post-mortem or LNC meeting
http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=2863
145 Michael Seebeck // Jul 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm
This thread is now beyond gross…
146 paulie // Jul 28, 2009 at 9:58 am
New Phillies post-mortem
http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=2889
147 George Phillies reviews recent Libertarian National Committee meeting in St. Louis | Independent Political Report // Aug 1, 2009 at 5:49 am
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