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	<title>Comments on: In DC, Asa Gordon to teach class on &#8220;Democratizing the Electoral College&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, we&#039;ve been over that already. It&#039;s a bad idea and helps destroy what little power is not yet federal level or above.

Instead, we need proportional allocation of electoral votes within each state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we&#8217;ve been over that already. It&#8217;s a bad idea and helps destroy what little power is not yet federal level or above.</p>
<p>Instead, we need proportional allocation of electoral votes within each state.</p>
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		<title>By: mvymvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvymvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). 

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. 

The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes--that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). 

The National Popular Vote bill has passed 29 state legislative chambers, in small, medium-small, medium, and large states, including one house in Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Oregon,  and both houses in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, and Washington. These five states possess 61 electoral votes -- 23% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

See http://www.NationalPopularVote.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). </p>
<p>Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. </p>
<p>The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes&#8211;that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC). </p>
<p>The National Popular Vote bill has passed 29 state legislative chambers, in small, medium-small, medium, and large states, including one house in Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Oregon,  and both houses in California, Colorado, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, and Washington. These five states possess 61 electoral votes &#8212; 23% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.NationalPopularVote.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NationalPopularVote.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: mvymvy</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/in-dc-asa-gordon-to-teach-class-on-democratizing-the-electoral-college/comment-page-1/#comment-77159</link>
		<dc:creator>mvymvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A system in which electoral votes are divided proportionally by state would not accurately reflect the nationwide popular vote and would not make every vote equal.  

Every vote would not be equal under the proportional approach.  The proportional approach would perpetuate the inequality of votes among states due to each state&#039;s bonus of two electoral votes.  It would penalize states, such as Montana, that have only one U.S. Representative even though it has almost three times more population than other small states with one congressman.  It would penalize fast-growing states that do not receive any increase in their number of electoral votes until after the next federal census.  It would penalize states with high voter turnout (e.g., Utah, Oregon).  

Moreover, the fractional proportional allocation approach does not assure election of the winner of the nationwide popular vote.  In 2000, for example, it would have resulted in the election of the second-place candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A system in which electoral votes are divided proportionally by state would not accurately reflect the nationwide popular vote and would not make every vote equal.  </p>
<p>Every vote would not be equal under the proportional approach.  The proportional approach would perpetuate the inequality of votes among states due to each state&#8217;s bonus of two electoral votes.  It would penalize states, such as Montana, that have only one U.S. Representative even though it has almost three times more population than other small states with one congressman.  It would penalize fast-growing states that do not receive any increase in their number of electoral votes until after the next federal census.  It would penalize states with high voter turnout (e.g., Utah, Oregon).  </p>
<p>Moreover, the fractional proportional allocation approach does not assure election of the winner of the nationwide popular vote.  In 2000, for example, it would have resulted in the election of the second-place candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our purpose should be to liberate the colonized and oppressed workers and people of the District from the imperialist Euro-American yoke.

Independence now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our purpose should be to liberate the colonized and oppressed workers and people of the District from the imperialist Euro-American yoke.</p>
<p>Independence now!</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan Brykein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan Brykein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC getting statehood would defeat the whole purpose, kinda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC getting statehood would defeat the whole purpose, kinda.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Raymond Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Raymond Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ending free speech is also a reform movement thing! In 2005 both the national blog and the monthly print house organ were sacrificed to blunt a USS Liberty article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ending free speech is also a reform movement thing! In 2005 both the national blog and the monthly print house organ were sacrificed to blunt a USS Liberty article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cavlan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/in-dc-asa-gordon-to-teach-class-on-democratizing-the-electoral-college/comment-page-1/#comment-76728</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cavlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John

Interesting point.

THAT has been precisely the point of those of us who have left the Green Party.

We base it on experience. I wonder if Asa Gordon will cover that point? Or indeed the Green Party Watch or the Green Party newspaper?

nahhhhhhhh..

//:-)&gt;------------

Fortunately, you do not have a Committee To End Free Speech here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>Interesting point.</p>
<p>THAT has been precisely the point of those of us who have left the Green Party.</p>
<p>We base it on experience. I wonder if Asa Gordon will cover that point? Or indeed the Green Party Watch or the Green Party newspaper?</p>
<p>nahhhhhhhh..</p>
<p>//:-)&gt;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Fortunately, you do not have a Committee To End Free Speech here..</p>
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		<title>By: John Famularo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Famularo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Electoral college change must pass the Senate.  The small states control the senate.  They will see this as a  first step in diminishing their power.  They will never go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Electoral college change must pass the Senate.  The small states control the senate.  They will see this as a  first step in diminishing their power.  They will never go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Raymond Lake</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/in-dc-asa-gordon-to-teach-class-on-democratizing-the-electoral-college/comment-page-1/#comment-76711</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Raymond Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every one is out of step but the Libertarians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one is out of step but the Libertarians!</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guam.  Virgin Islands.  North Marianas.  

There&#039;re others, too.  All US territories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guam.  Virgin Islands.  North Marianas.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;re others, too.  All US territories.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC is a colony of American imperialism, no different from Puerto Rico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC is a colony of American imperialism, no different from Puerto Rico.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Trinward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Trinward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been pushing this idea for years myself; more and more it;s getting so all a Pres candidate has to do is hit the six biggest cities in the country, win them by enough to overcome the rest of their respective states, and prepare to take the throne. Just getting CA, NY and MI to go along with this plan would make the &quot;swing state&quot; nonsense obsolete; add FL and OH, maybe ... it opens the whole process</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been pushing this idea for years myself; more and more it;s getting so all a Pres candidate has to do is hit the six biggest cities in the country, win them by enough to overcome the rest of their respective states, and prepare to take the throne. Just getting CA, NY and MI to go along with this plan would make the &#8220;swing state&#8221; nonsense obsolete; add FL and OH, maybe &#8230; it opens the whole process</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t think of any better reasons for them to secede.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t think of any better reasons for them to secede.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Raymond Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Raymond Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie, once again, stupid comments in totally unnecessary sitution[s].......

and you wonder why I label you belligerent?

Nay, you do not wonder at all, you knew all along, Mister Agent Provocateur.......

Duh:  Mister Room Temperature IQ, DC physically contains the three branches of the Federal Government. Oh, you knew that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie, once again, stupid comments in totally unnecessary sitution[s]&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>and you wonder why I label you belligerent?</p>
<p>Nay, you do not wonder at all, you knew all along, Mister Agent Provocateur&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Duh:  Mister Room Temperature IQ, DC physically contains the three branches of the Federal Government. Oh, you knew that!</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;paulie,
D.C. independence v statehood? Say what? I have no problem with P.R. independence. But D.C.?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>paulie,<br />
D.C. independence v statehood? Say what? I have no problem with P.R. independence. But D.C.?</p></blockquote>
<p>Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Raymond Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald Raymond Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Milnes and P. R. nation hood:  &quot;Ditto, grown up solutions for a grown up culture. Any thing else is &#039;arrested development&#039; .....&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Milnes and P. R. nation hood:  &#8220;Ditto, grown up solutions for a grown up culture. Any thing else is &#8216;arrested development&#8217; &#8230;..&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s better for everyone if every state does this.

But it&#039;s worse for any one state that does this.  That&#039;s why Nebraska is considering going back to winner-takes-all.

It&#039;s the Prisoner&#039;s Dilemma with 51 players.

And even if you DID convince every state to split its electors proportionately, since it&#039;s a single-winner plurality election, Duverger&#039;s Law tells us that third parties will still have ZERO practical chance of winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it&#8217;s better for everyone if every state does this.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s worse for any one state that does this.  That&#8217;s why Nebraska is considering going back to winner-takes-all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the Prisoner&#8217;s Dilemma with 51 players.</p>
<p>And even if you DID convince every state to split its electors proportionately, since it&#8217;s a single-winner plurality election, Duverger&#8217;s Law tells us that third parties will still have ZERO practical chance of winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Milnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Milnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paulie, 
D.C. independence v statehood? Say what? I have no problem with P.R. independence. But D.C.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paulie,<br />
D.C. independence v statehood? Say what? I have no problem with P.R. independence. But D.C.?</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I keep thinking about running for Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner in my neighborhood…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good idea. DC has one advantage in having a formal citywide structure at such a local level..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I keep thinking about running for Advisory Neighborhood Commissioner in my neighborhood…</p></blockquote>
<p>Good idea. DC has one advantage in having a formal citywide structure at such a local level..</p>
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		<title>By: Third Party Revolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>Third Party Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully both parties have candidates running in those races.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully both parties have candidates running in those races.</p>
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