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	<title>Comments on: Cannabis Science Accuses Kubby and Ruwart in SEC Filing</title>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-265324</link>
		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Massachusetts:

http://www.efs.cpf.state.ma.us/default.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Massachusetts:</p>
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		<title>By: Hempman</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-265294</link>
		<dc:creator>Hempman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kubby was vindicated in the courts. All stocks were ordered returned to him. Cannabis Science AKA Onshore, was ordered to pay thier own legal fees as well as Kubby&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kubby was vindicated in the courts. All stocks were ordered returned to him. Cannabis Science AKA Onshore, was ordered to pay thier own legal fees as well as Kubby&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Formerly worked by SK</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-83157</link>
		<dc:creator>Formerly worked by SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I heard that Kubby had a new business I asked myself how many months until controversy erupts. Lo and behold! Not Many!

It&#039;s funny how Stevie keeps having these &quot;issues&quot;, after all he&#039;s got his CA Med card now and you&#039;d think he would be able to figure out how not to *Keep Borrowing Money* but...

This same story will be repeated within the next few years, I&#039;d bet on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard that Kubby had a new business I asked myself how many months until controversy erupts. Lo and behold! Not Many!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how Stevie keeps having these &#8220;issues&#8221;, after all he&#8217;s got his CA Med card now and you&#8217;d think he would be able to figure out how not to *Keep Borrowing Money* but&#8230;</p>
<p>This same story will be repeated within the next few years, I&#8217;d bet on it.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-82953</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, another IPR writer did.</description>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-82952</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Susan (?), I linked that in the article you are commenting on. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Susan (?), I linked that in the article you are commenting on. Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-82951</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and here&#039;s Richard&#039;s report on it

http://marijuananews.com/blog/general-news/someone-is-lying-kubby-fired-by-cannabis-science-accuses-melamede-and-cowan-of-theft-etc-are-you-a-thief-if-you-don%E2%80%99t-agree-with-me/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and here&#8217;s Richard&#8217;s report on it</p>
<p><a href="http://marijuananews.com/blog/general-news/someone-is-lying-kubby-fired-by-cannabis-science-accuses-melamede-and-cowan-of-theft-etc-are-you-a-thief-if-you-don%E2%80%99t-agree-with-me/" rel="nofollow">http://marijuananews.com/blog/general-news/someone-is-lying-kubby-fired-by-cannabis-science-accuses-melamede-and-cowan-of-theft-etc-are-you-a-thief-if-you-don%E2%80%99t-agree-with-me/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-82948</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve has stepped in it deep this time.  Let&#039;s see if he has another life to get out of this trouble if it materializes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve has stepped in it deep this time.  Let&#8217;s see if he has another life to get out of this trouble if it materializes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-80036</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction, Mr. Phillies. 


The Mass. version of the ethics commission/reporting agency that handles political PACs and other things, etc. is what I meant to say...

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction, Mr. Phillies. </p>
<p>The Mass. version of the ethics commission/reporting agency that handles political PACs and other things, etc. is what I meant to say&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79976</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just dirty people trying to pawn off their dirty dealings onto good people.  Someone ought to bring these bastards down, and I don&#039;t mean the government.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just dirty people trying to pawn off their dirty dealings onto good people.  Someone ought to bring these bastards down, and I don&#8217;t mean the government.  <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thomas L. Knapp</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79917</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas L. Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John C.,

You write:

&quot;Perhaps libertarians should avoid corporate fund raising schemes for their business ideas.&quot;

My visceral reaction to that is a-friggin&#039;-men.

On the other hand, the choice Kubby faced appears to have been between entering into &quot;corporate fund raising schemes&quot; on one hand, or letting an idea with big possibilities go undeveloped.

Those &quot;big possibilities&quot; go way beyond big profits for Kubby. They include lives saved, quality of lives improved, etc.

I helped write the initial business plan, and am still excited by the prospects. * It&#039;s sad to see an important product trapped in this kind of corporate dispute hell.

I&#039;m investigating the allegations in CSI&#039;s latest 8-K filing. I expect slow going, but frankly allegations (a) and (b) already appear to be 100% pure grade-A bullshit.

To put it in simple terms:

- Kubby was promised 6.5 million shares of Gulf Onshore as payment for that company&#039;s purchase of Cannex&#039;s assets on March 30th.

- On April 6th, Kubby took out two loans for $5,000 each -- one from Dr. Ruwart and Mr. Carr, the other from an individual whom I will not name, since CSI hasn&#039;t. The loan agreement included a restricted (no resale for six months, etc.) OPTION for the lenders to take full or partial repayment in the form of Kubby&#039;s Gulf shares at 20 cents each (the entire principal of the two loans combined would therefore have come to 50,000 shares).

Later in April, Gulf Onshore changed its name to Cannabis Science, Inc.

I don&#039;t see any &quot;there&quot; there on those allegations. My guess is that they were trumped up into &quot;bad things&quot; in a hurry so that CSI could respond to Kubby&#039;s allegations with allegations of its own instead of having to actually defend its own conduct.

Regards,
Tom Knapp

* Appropriate disclosures:

I am not, nor have I ever been, an employee of, or investor in, Cannex, Gulf Onshore or CSI. I did some writing work on the initial business plan as a contractor, and asked that my compensation (low triple digits) be deferred until it would constitute a minor expense instead of paid at a time when the company was grubbing hard for money to get things done.

I consider certain past or present Cannex/CSI principals -- Steve Kubby, Dr. Ruwart, Ray Carr and R. Lee Wrights -- long-time friends, and have had renumerative business relationships with them in the past (I worked for pay on the Kubby and Ruwart presidential campaigns, and Lee and I are long-time partners in Rational Review).

Obviously, these disclosures should bear on any evaluation of my objectivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John C.,</p>
<p>You write:</p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps libertarians should avoid corporate fund raising schemes for their business ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>My visceral reaction to that is a-friggin&#8217;-men.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the choice Kubby faced appears to have been between entering into &#8220;corporate fund raising schemes&#8221; on one hand, or letting an idea with big possibilities go undeveloped.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;big possibilities&#8221; go way beyond big profits for Kubby. They include lives saved, quality of lives improved, etc.</p>
<p>I helped write the initial business plan, and am still excited by the prospects. * It&#8217;s sad to see an important product trapped in this kind of corporate dispute hell.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m investigating the allegations in CSI&#8217;s latest 8-K filing. I expect slow going, but frankly allegations (a) and (b) already appear to be 100% pure grade-A bullshit.</p>
<p>To put it in simple terms:</p>
<p>- Kubby was promised 6.5 million shares of Gulf Onshore as payment for that company&#8217;s purchase of Cannex&#8217;s assets on March 30th.</p>
<p>- On April 6th, Kubby took out two loans for $5,000 each &#8212; one from Dr. Ruwart and Mr. Carr, the other from an individual whom I will not name, since CSI hasn&#8217;t. The loan agreement included a restricted (no resale for six months, etc.) OPTION for the lenders to take full or partial repayment in the form of Kubby&#8217;s Gulf shares at 20 cents each (the entire principal of the two loans combined would therefore have come to 50,000 shares).</p>
<p>Later in April, Gulf Onshore changed its name to Cannabis Science, Inc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any &#8220;there&#8221; there on those allegations. My guess is that they were trumped up into &#8220;bad things&#8221; in a hurry so that CSI could respond to Kubby&#8217;s allegations with allegations of its own instead of having to actually defend its own conduct.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Tom Knapp</p>
<p>* Appropriate disclosures:</p>
<p>I am not, nor have I ever been, an employee of, or investor in, Cannex, Gulf Onshore or CSI. I did some writing work on the initial business plan as a contractor, and asked that my compensation (low triple digits) be deferred until it would constitute a minor expense instead of paid at a time when the company was grubbing hard for money to get things done.</p>
<p>I consider certain past or present Cannex/CSI principals &#8212; Steve Kubby, Dr. Ruwart, Ray Carr and R. Lee Wrights &#8212; long-time friends, and have had renumerative business relationships with them in the past (I worked for pay on the Kubby and Ruwart presidential campaigns, and Lee and I are long-time partners in Rational Review).</p>
<p>Obviously, these disclosures should bear on any evaluation of my objectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79891</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey, 

Cloud and Howell only have a professional relationship anymore. As far as I could see working on those initiatives the money was spent frugally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey, </p>
<p>Cloud and Howell only have a professional relationship anymore. As far as I could see working on those initiatives the money was spent frugally.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Hogarth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79875</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Hogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, P. Yes, sorry, SEC.</description>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79873</link>
		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Massachusetts referenda do not file with the FEC.  

George Phillies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Massachusetts referenda do not file with the FEC.  </p>
<p>George Phillies</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79865</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone seen the FEC filings for how much Michael Emerling Cloud and his dame Carla Howell made off with in the 2008 income tax repeal ballot election last year in Mass?

I understand statewide petition campaigns are expensive, but I received no less than two or three emails saying &quot;we&#039;re broke!&quot;

Reading the FEC filings will give those an indication of why!


Really, it&#039;s no surprise anymore, it really isn&#039;t...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone seen the FEC filings for how much Michael Emerling Cloud and his dame Carla Howell made off with in the 2008 income tax repeal ballot election last year in Mass?</p>
<p>I understand statewide petition campaigns are expensive, but I received no less than two or three emails saying &#8220;we&#8217;re broke!&#8221;</p>
<p>Reading the FEC filings will give those an indication of why!</p>
<p>Really, it&#8217;s no surprise anymore, it really isn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NewFederalist</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79849</link>
		<dc:creator>NewFederalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda sounds like Preston Tucker... 2009!</description>
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		<title>By: John C</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79844</link>
		<dc:creator>John C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps libertarians should avoid corporate fund raising schemes for their business ideas.</description>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79833</link>
		<dc:creator>paulie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEC. FEC is the elections goon squad, as I&#039;m sure you are well aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEC. FEC is the elections goon squad, as I&#8217;m sure you are well aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Hogarth</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/07/cannabis-science-accuses-kubby-ruwart/comment-page-1/#comment-79829</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Hogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the CS FEC filings - including the one referenced here - can be found here:

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&amp;CIK=0001024626&amp;owner=include&amp;count=40</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the CS FEC filings &#8211; including the one referenced here &#8211; can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&#038;CIK=0001024626&#038;owner=include&#038;count=40" rel="nofollow">http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&#038;CIK=0001024626&#038;owner=include&#038;count=40</a></p>
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