me: Interesting passage. I do believe I agree. L-ism — in all its flavors — is an appeal to our conscious selves, not the instinctive, which is tribal and brutal. Most Ls I know want to see the conscious to flourish, while recognizing that aggressive behavior isn’t likely to be banished from the human condition any time soon.

Yours strikes me as a hopeless view, that war and strife are our fate. May be so, but I don’t care to play that no-win game. I’d a thunk we’d want to LIFT consciousness, and minimize instinct. Are you suggesting that instinct is the path toward liberty?

Bill Handel would be described as a borderline libertarian moderate. Republicans might try to claim him in spite of his criticizing them.

John and Ken are libertarian. Without a doubt. They have been leading the attacks against Republicans due to the California budget fiasco. They aren’t 100%, they favor closed borders, but they are more libertarian than anyone else on radio I’ve ever listened to, and that includes Elder and Boortz as those I’ve listened to.

Kennedy & Suits aren’t on when I commute.

This is simply pathetic. I’d stop picking on you if you stopped staying stupid things. sheesh.

Yes! How did that go?

me__ that wasnt my objection , mine was he has actually denied people their rights and/or taken them away thru the color of office and not long ago enuf to forgive or forget,

Not everybodys gifts are the same and not everybodys skills should be used in the same way.

Not every candidate is going to make a great activist and vice versa , someone who is good at fundraising maybe should never work an outreach booth.

some people give money and never show up , some people give tons of time and no money.

some people are good up front , some people best behind the scenes

In Nevada , I am ALWAYS the person at the door , because Im sickenly friendly at those times and I make people comfortable , its good for new folks .
however try and have me run a meeting and I choke, its not my thing.

there are more avenues , ways and means to serve the LP than the ones you list.

Nor should anyone else, either.

Paying dues in advance–no big deal.

Being a state delegate–also no big deal.

Speaker at meetings–also no big deal.

All three of those most if not all of us do regularly.

Travel around the country to speak–so?

Has he done any membership recruiting in those locations, or just talking?

Can we see him working the LP OPH booth at the Orange County Fair this summer, giving quizzes and flyers, recruiting members, and plugging Norm Westwell in his city council race, or will he be too busy talking to the choir at meetings or pushing media appearances?

Can we see him going door-to-door stumping for local candidates?

Can we see him doing ANY of the low-profile nuts-and-bolts bread-and-butter work of the Party, or is it all high-profile for his own visibility?

You see why he irks me, LG? Because he portrays himself as being about himself first and LP second and not the other way around. That’s why he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. He portrays the impression of doing things not because they need to be done for the good of the LP and glory be damned, but for the glory of himself.

I have an older sister with the same mentality that he does, and you know what I told her once? I told her that sometimes it’s not all about her. The same is true for Wayne Allen Root. Root needs to act like that in the LP to gain respect and support. He needs to show us that he can walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

Chuck Moulton made a comment on here a while back when Root announced his chair run. He said that Wayne should be on the LNC first and learn the ropes. Chuck is absolutely correct. Wayne needs to learn, understand, and actually do that rope learning, with the things I listed above as clear and necessary examples.

You can call me names all you want, Debra, but the facts stand on their own and you haven’t refuted them either.

not to mention all the other LP groups he spends time traveling to speak to
that sounds like activism to me …

It may not be the same trenches you frequent , but its trenches nonetheless.

your arrogance is phenominal