After I e mailed this person, asking who it was.

Seems that the interest of structural issues was lost by this person who “works with the Green Party.”

just a quick heads up. The above poster, anonymous with the bunch of numbers-gmail e mail address asked me to contact him/her/it in regards to my allegations of serious structural problems with the GP.

I contacted the e mail in question. I asked that before I started to discuss this, who was the person.

No answer.

Interesting.

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E-mail me at 473367@gmail.com. Listserve bannings, though, I am not really interested in. Especially GPW, DailyKos, OpEdNews, etc. They are all privately owned and operated and who they decide to ban doesn’t reflect on the Green Party of the United States.

Structural problems…let me know.

473367@gmail.com

All of them have been like Daily KOS, Democratic party apologist types of places. Op Ed News (a whole bunch of us have and have set up our own news site COTOCrew wordpress) Daily KOS, My space Democrats etc etc.

damn, when you point out the issue of holding the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system and how to orgaize EFFECTIVELY, you get banned.

Ask yourselves why.

I will be only to happy to talk with you, any old time at all. especially about the structural issues.

I was never banned from any of the Minnesota GP list-serves. Just the National GP Delegates list-serve along with GP Watch. Where decisions are/were made.

I was attacked on said list-serve by people from the National GP though. On a very regular basis. Along with any of those nasty, mean old Nader supporters or their allies (who are serious about building an alternative to the Dems, it must be noted)

If you want a good look at this, just visit the Greens For Nader website (if it still exists) and it’s last statement. I can testify to the veracity of what it catalogued.

Sadly GP Watch is not talking about just how the GP is falling apart. From the latest discussion to borrow $75,000 to the self implosion of the Minnesota GPP, attempts to un-endorse the GP Minneapolis Councilman Cam Gordon (for a whole list of reasons) and God knows what else they are hiding from the membership.

Of course, since the real fighters have been driven out it is kind of irrelevant.

All those who are SERIOUS about building an alternative to the pro-war, corporate corrupted two party system are busy, building and organizing.

Just not with the GP.

We tried to warn them but instead got tagged as destructo-greens.

Oh well, ce la vie.

Carry on.

I have been suspicious of the Democans and the Republicrats since the 1960s. I grew up in the American Heartland where the establishment may bicker and attack the other half of the duopoly cabal, but all other political groups were ignored!

Politically, I have been here there and every where. And generally fairly unhappy bout it!

Any way, I was recruited into the Reform Party of California with the CALVETS abused veterans as the lure. The guy that talked me into the organization then quit and I was introduced to some of the most dishonest, ethically challenged [so called] patriots on the West Coast.

http://www.reformparty.com
http://www.reformparty.net
http://www.reformparty.org
http://www.reformpartyusa-ag.org
[the 'Action Group']

all of these sites and groups
are not what they propose
to be……………

These folks make GOP thug Pat
Buchanan look good!

And the Greens, could be great,
could truly be a viable third party.
Like the [so called] reformers,
the greens act as if they are trying
to sabotage the [stated] effort!

Michael,

I am active with the GP on several levels and want to make sure it works, and works better than it has in the past. Can you be more specific about the structural problems? And I have not been active long (not at all during 2004) so if you mention the “Smith affair” or something from a while back I probably won’t know what you are talking about. If you’ve had personal conflicts with someone I can appreciate that, but I’m more interested in the “structural problems” you’re talking about. Kimberly too.

If you want to talk about that, I’d love to hear.

Were you ever banned from discussing issues on the Green National Committee listserve? Local and state listserves and Green Party Watch are all run by other groups and individuals that the National Committee can’t control. I just wanted to get some specifics about that.

We can now add Cynthia McKinney to the list.

I know. Cynthia McKinney is a destructo-green.

Man, oh man. Like I said to the GP before I was banned from posting.

Attacking people, banning those people who actually do the very hard, grunt work of building an organization.

Well, it isn’t really sustainable.

Not to mention violations of Grassroots Democracy, Social Justice and Respect For Diversity.

Funny thing is, I have not been banned from posting here.

Oh yeah, free speech and the free market of ideas. Why how very democratic (small d obviously) of you here.

Oh well, time to go on building and organizing.

Carry on.

Sadly, the fact that Cynthia is now doing the same thing as Ralph Nader has NOTHING to do with ego and personality. It is purely political.

She is SERIOUS about building something. Not a psuedo-intellectual, talk shop with all talk and no action.

The National GP has a cadre of people who seem determined to actually sabotage any and all real, honest efforts and building something real and effective. I am not sure if it is deliberate or subconscious but either way, it is real.

There are many good and decent people in the GP, however these people that
I speak of ( a minority) are still able to block any real movement. Due to some of the very seriously flawed structural problems with the GP. I was a National GP delegate from Minnesota so I know of what I speak. Kimberley Wilder was a National delegate also, as an aside.

I was also involved in the Cynthia McKinney campaign at the very start. It was at this point that i realized that some folks were using Cynthia’s campaign, not to build but to ensure that Ralph Nader did not get the GP nomination, as a club to attack Nader and then to fade away into nothing. Which is precisely what happened.

Now, at this point you can expect the cat calls of destructo-green to emerge.

It was because this fact of trying to deal with these serious structural flaws, this central point that many former GP National delegates were banned from even discussing, booted off list serves and why I have been banned from posting at GP Watch.

The Green Party is not perfect, has flaws, is poor, etc. But why the desire to break ties and start something totally new? Ralph Nader continues to do it, Cindy Sheehan (though never really tied to the party, although she easily could have been) has talked about doing it, and now Cynthia McKinney is doing it. It is inherent in the personalities of people with name recognition that they go their own way, or is there a real structural barrier to working with the Greens?

Serious replies preferred.

I’ve got a question. I see on the websites that you post on links back to the Reform Party, but never the actual party link…. why?

November 28, 2008, physical abuse/ false arrest victim at UCSD/ San Diego VA Hospital. Nine weeks of ‘Anger Management’ [Victim Pacification ????] in lieu of a $300 fine.

Free White 21, Male WASP, former military officer dragged by the hand cuffs to the isolated cell from the ‘Patient Advocate Office’. Welcome to 21st century America.