I’m trying to get some momentum going for a new State initiative. I hope word gets passed around and the
different groups interested in controlling the Government’s wild, thoughtless tax policies will think about this option. It would also reduce the power of the Federal government to violate the law any time they want to.

When people in this country who would like to regain control over our government discover what a tool they have,
things are going to get interesting. In every State that has an initiative process, we should pass measures that make it illegal for businesses operating in that state to withhold taxes of any sort from the pay of employees.

Do you think that would wake up a few legislators in the State and Federal governments?

It would be a simple measure to write, check for legal language and file. We might have trouble with the title and summery, the Sec State won’t like the measure. We’d need support from groups and people all over the country
to to raise the money for the signatures and campaign. A political Action Committee would have to be filed, A treasured found and a bank account opened. It’s as simple as that. The hardest part of course would be to get
people across the country to but their money where their mouths are.

I’m talking about filing the first measure in California and using the momentum to do the same in other states.

If you would like to see the government lose it’s ability to simply take money from people, pass the idea around.

Thanks,

Tom Scott

Come on LG let’s not toss the “Root Haters” phrase around. I disagree with him, but I don’t hate him. I even appreciate the fact that he’s trying to get the LP some exposure. I just disagree with his being on Savage. I also wish he’d dig into an issue a bit more.

i dont include you , i agree you have more like guarded optimism .

me__ you know the intelligent quotient in libertarian circles is high and im betting that people who see thru the government illusion would also see thru insincerity.
i mean do you Root-haters think you guys are the only ones seeing clearly and the rest of us are just duped?

and for the last time if Root wanted only money he lives in a town that swims in it . its ;ludicrous to think he’s in it for the money .

everyone of us is here to change the world.

me__ Damn why dont you just whip it out and lay it up on the table.LOL
are you seriously saying that only people who have the highly specialized knowledge you do are worthy?
So you can be diametrically opposed to someone but if they can exibit such superior intelligence as yours , well then youll talk.
geez , talk about stuck up .

True. But did Root try to change Savage’s mind? Or did Root imply agreement by toadying up to Savage?

Root doesn’t seem interested in changing minds, so much as pleasing people who can give him things (fame, money, votes, or whatever).

They call this perception management.

Art Bell was at least fun.

Savage isn’t.

MW

Using that reasoning, maybe Harry Browne shouldn’t have been on the Art Bell show several times…nor on NPR affiliates!

I don’t listen to Savage, so the mileage may vary.

The bottom line is that there are pluses and minuses to being on ANY show. And Libertarians don’t have their own media outlets, so we must take what we can get.

And live with the consequences of attracting conspiracy theorists or “liberal” thinking people or maybe even “conservative” thinking people.

PEACE

Root’s association with Savage will only damage the public’s opinion of the LP and we have enough damage to overcome as it is. Besides he is wrong on his statement as to who pays taxes.

Perhaps he needs to look at the plight of the poor and low income people in this country and see how much the government barriers keep people down.

When Root can come do orbital mechanics and figure out double integral conversion factors for hydrazine consumption based on tank volume, pressure, and thrust forces, then we’ll talk.

And yes, we could ask for a better statesman, and we have, repeatedly.

Aaron Russo was a true radical — he was deemed “not pure” by the head/ass and capitalist caucuses for not obsessing on privatized streetlights and even saying mean things about oil companies.

Wayne Root is just a pro-war establishment Zionist douche who is deemed “not pure” by those in the LP with 7+% brain function.

that also goes for the ex-GOPers who find themselves in our house.

I thought he did quite well in the Vice-Presidential debates. Matt Gonzales is a tough guy to stand up to when it comes to presenting ideas. Quite frankly both Root and Gonzales were better than the VP offerings of the major parties.

It’s just that I hear a lot of 19th century conservatism come through when Wayne talks. Maybe it’s just me. I think Liberty is not just economic liberty and property rights do not trump human rights. Wayne tends to focus on taxes and property.

Some other things come through, like school choice. Like I say, he’s coming around.

We could not ask for a better spokesperson because he brings his p.r and media with him. I geuss some would prefer a more philisophically pure LPer who gets ignored.
Remember AArron Russo , who faced the same newcomer , not-pure-enuf garbage. the LP wasted an excellent chance that would have taken us to a whole other level.