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	<title>Comments on: Libertarian Party: we had the Tea Party idea first</title>
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		<title>By: libertarianmovement</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/04/libertarian-party-we-had-the-tea-party-idea-first/comment-page-1/#comment-271442</link>
		<dc:creator>libertarianmovement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need our &quot;Tea Party&quot; leaders, to publicly announce on MSM that they have no affiliation with the Republicans, that the party ideals are Libertarian. There is so much trash talk from everyone on both sides saying the Tea Party is premature, unorganized, need to get their sh*t together. The Libertarian party has been around for more than 30 years, this needs to be noted. Just putting in my 2 cents, thanks and good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need our &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; leaders, to publicly announce on MSM that they have no affiliation with the Republicans, that the party ideals are Libertarian. There is so much trash talk from everyone on both sides saying the Tea Party is premature, unorganized, need to get their sh*t together. The Libertarian party has been around for more than 30 years, this needs to be noted. Just putting in my 2 cents, thanks and good luck</p>
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		<title>By: qqquit pickin on my peeps</title>
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		<dc:creator>qqquit pickin on my peeps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so old now  I teabag the toilet water when I sit on the john!   :0    :0  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get right down to it, with our bedrock principles of fiscal responsibility and social tolerance, the Libertarian Party is America’s only mainstream political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get right down to it, with our bedrock principles of fiscal responsibility and social tolerance, the Libertarian Party is America’s only mainstream political party.</p>
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		<title>By: and in Duopoly Land .......... Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>and in Duopoly Land .......... Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto, as far back as the Nixon - JFK debate in 1960!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto, as far back as the Nixon &#8211; JFK debate in 1960!</p>
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		<title>By: Alpheus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add:  I look forward to when the Democrats fall out of power.  I *don&#039;t* look forward to when (or if) the Republicans re-gain power.  They have proven themselves over and over again to be spineless wimps unable to defend liberty when it is most needed.  I&#039;m sick of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add:  I look forward to when the Democrats fall out of power.  I *don&#8217;t* look forward to when (or if) the Republicans re-gain power.  They have proven themselves over and over again to be spineless wimps unable to defend liberty when it is most needed.  I&#8217;m sick of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Alpheus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpheus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Republican, and now a Libertarian Republican (now that I know that, in Utah at least, I can easily belong to both parties) I would like to explain where I was during George W. Bush&#039;s terms:

First, I didn&#039;t like the Medicare Plan D bit.  I wish that had been vetoed.  It wasn&#039;t something, at the time, that anyone would have considered protesting...at least not on this level.  At the time, I didn&#039;t consider it the extreme threat to our liberties that I do so now.

Second, I *hated* the 2006 Election:  after six years of Republicans spending us in the ground, I could sense a general dissatisfaction with them.  I voted for a Republican, but I did it with distaste:  he *bragged* that he brought money home to his district.  I couldn&#039;t bring myself to vote for the Democrat, though, because I knew she would be worse.  (That Democrat was Gilibrand).

Third:  I think the bailouts was the first signal to ALL Americans that something is really wrong.  It was the turning point, and it was where the &quot;Tea Party Spirit&quot; really began to wake up.

Fourth:  I voted for McCain.  I did it because I didn&#039;t want Barak Obama to win Utah.  Obama didn&#039;t, but he still won--and I came to the conclusion that I will never again vote for a politician, unless that politician *earns* my vote.  I will never again vote for someone because I fear his opponent; if someone can&#039;t convince enough people to vote for him, he won&#039;t win anyway.

Yes, I get it:  we were asleep!  It&#039;s only now that I&#039;m becoming aware of just how libertarian I really am!  And I&#039;ve made the conscious decision that while I will still stay in the Republican party, with the vain hope that I could push that party in the right direction, I will nonetheless consider myself a Libertarian Republican from here on out.

People get it now.  Not just Republicans, but Democrats as well.  So, my question is this:  what are YOU doing to make sure these people continue to get it, even when (or if) Republicans regain power?  I don&#039;t necessarily expect an answer; I&#039;m still trying to find the answer myself.

But please don&#039;t belittle those of us who finally get it.  I&#039;ve been to several local Tea Parties.  Tea Parties are filled with people who are dismayed by both parties; both parties have betrayed us!  And only now am I realizing just how extensive that betrayal has been--and it would delight me to no end to see both parties completely collapse because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Republican, and now a Libertarian Republican (now that I know that, in Utah at least, I can easily belong to both parties) I would like to explain where I was during George W. Bush&#8217;s terms:</p>
<p>First, I didn&#8217;t like the Medicare Plan D bit.  I wish that had been vetoed.  It wasn&#8217;t something, at the time, that anyone would have considered protesting&#8230;at least not on this level.  At the time, I didn&#8217;t consider it the extreme threat to our liberties that I do so now.</p>
<p>Second, I *hated* the 2006 Election:  after six years of Republicans spending us in the ground, I could sense a general dissatisfaction with them.  I voted for a Republican, but I did it with distaste:  he *bragged* that he brought money home to his district.  I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to vote for the Democrat, though, because I knew she would be worse.  (That Democrat was Gilibrand).</p>
<p>Third:  I think the bailouts was the first signal to ALL Americans that something is really wrong.  It was the turning point, and it was where the &#8220;Tea Party Spirit&#8221; really began to wake up.</p>
<p>Fourth:  I voted for McCain.  I did it because I didn&#8217;t want Barak Obama to win Utah.  Obama didn&#8217;t, but he still won&#8211;and I came to the conclusion that I will never again vote for a politician, unless that politician *earns* my vote.  I will never again vote for someone because I fear his opponent; if someone can&#8217;t convince enough people to vote for him, he won&#8217;t win anyway.</p>
<p>Yes, I get it:  we were asleep!  It&#8217;s only now that I&#8217;m becoming aware of just how libertarian I really am!  And I&#8217;ve made the conscious decision that while I will still stay in the Republican party, with the vain hope that I could push that party in the right direction, I will nonetheless consider myself a Libertarian Republican from here on out.</p>
<p>People get it now.  Not just Republicans, but Democrats as well.  So, my question is this:  what are YOU doing to make sure these people continue to get it, even when (or if) Republicans regain power?  I don&#8217;t necessarily expect an answer; I&#8217;m still trying to find the answer myself.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t belittle those of us who finally get it.  I&#8217;ve been to several local Tea Parties.  Tea Parties are filled with people who are dismayed by both parties; both parties have betrayed us!  And only now am I realizing just how extensive that betrayal has been&#8211;and it would delight me to no end to see both parties completely collapse because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anarchists Plan to Disrupt April 15 Tea Party Protests - Volconvo Debate Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anarchists Plan to Disrupt April 15 Tea Party Protests - Volconvo Debate Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 03:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary Ehlenberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Ehlenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A must read
Steady-state-economics
http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~mllewis/ENVR%20460%20Horton/New%20Scientist%20the%20folly%20of%20growth.pdf

Gary Ehlenberger
Retired Staff Scientist, Member of the Technical Staff, Motorola</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A must read<br />
Steady-state-economics<br />
<a href="http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~mllewis/ENVR%20460%20Horton/New%20Scientist%20the%20folly%20of%20growth.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~mllewis/ENVR%20460%20Horton/New%20Scientist%20the%20folly%20of%20growth.pdf</a></p>
<p>Gary Ehlenberger<br />
Retired Staff Scientist, Member of the Technical Staff, Motorola</p>
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		<title>By: FreeWestRadio.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreeWestRadio.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 40 years and a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that continues to grow,” writes Donny Ferguson of the Libertarian National [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform &#124; Republic Broadcasting Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform &#124; Republic Broadcasting Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 40 years and a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that continues to grow,” writes Donny Ferguson of the Libertarian National [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</title>
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		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 40 years and a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that continues to grow,” writes Donny Ferguson of the Libertarian National [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform &#124; We Are Change Utah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform &#124; We Are Change Utah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 40 years and a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that continues to grow,” writes Donny Ferguson of the Libertarian National [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Truth Or The Fight &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth Or The Fight &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Subverted Tea Party Movement Told to Embrace Republican Platform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in 40 years and a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street that continues to grow,” writes Donny Ferguson of the Libertarian National [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Former Libertarian Party of Alabama Chair Steve Gordon on Rachel Maddow again discussing Tea Parties &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Libertarian Party of Alabama Chair Steve Gordon on Rachel Maddow again discussing Tea Parties &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For further background see Libertarian Party: we had the Tea Party idea first [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Former Libertarian Party of Alabama Chair Steve Gordon on Rachel Maddow again discussing Tea Parties &#124; Independent Political Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Libertarian Party of Alabama Chair Steve Gordon on Rachel Maddow again discussing Tea Parties &#124; Independent Political Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For further background see Libertarian Party: we had the Tea Party idea first [...]</description>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to here the Tea Parties were a &quot;conservative  grassroots movement&quot; one more time I might have have lost my mind. 

while super excited at the large crowds and intense enthusiasm I couldnt help but feel a little sracastic, ecsp when I overheard several folks saying things like &quot; we should have done this a long time ago&quot;.

I had to patiently remind them that the LP in Nevada had been at the post office or IRS buildings everyyear  protesting for as long as I could remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to here the Tea Parties were a &#8220;conservative  grassroots movement&#8221; one more time I might have have lost my mind. </p>
<p>while super excited at the large crowds and intense enthusiasm I couldnt help but feel a little sracastic, ecsp when I overheard several folks saying things like &#8221; we should have done this a long time ago&#8221;.</p>
<p>I had to patiently remind them that the LP in Nevada had been at the post office or IRS buildings everyyear  protesting for as long as I could remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Are Republicans turning into Libertarians? - LDS Mormon Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are Republicans turning into Libertarians? - LDS Mormon Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week&#039;s Tea Party protests had their origins in the libertarian movement. Although many conservative groups were eager to co-opt their purpose, the core of the message -- [...]</description>
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		<title>By: a different paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>a different paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the debate nationally is now whether these tea parties were a Republican or grassroots idea. The Republicans are contending the protests have no party affiliation, while others are pointing to usual Republican suspects funding the websites, etc.

In all of this, the fact that the idea did originate with a different political party is completely lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the debate nationally is now whether these tea parties were a Republican or grassroots idea. The Republicans are contending the protests have no party affiliation, while others are pointing to usual Republican suspects funding the websites, etc.</p>
<p>In all of this, the fact that the idea did originate with a different political party is completely lost.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP has laid claim to the mantle of less taxation for as long as I can remember.  The fact is, they talk the talk, but there&#039;s no chance that getting a bunch of people together is going to change anything in terms of the fact that they do not walk the walk.  

I had tried to schedule our tea party here for the evening when people could make it.  The Republican hi-jacker instead scheduled it for noon on a week day, a sure recipe for people to not be able to make it because of work, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP has laid claim to the mantle of less taxation for as long as I can remember.  The fact is, they talk the talk, but there&#8217;s no chance that getting a bunch of people together is going to change anything in terms of the fact that they do not walk the walk.  </p>
<p>I had tried to schedule our tea party here for the evening when people could make it.  The Republican hi-jacker instead scheduled it for noon on a week day, a sure recipe for people to not be able to make it because of work, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: a different paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>a different paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol, exactly.

But with the Republicans comes some notice, just because of numbers. So the tax day protests will get at least a little mention in the news. While bad for the LP politically, maybe something good will come out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol, exactly.</p>
<p>But with the Republicans comes some notice, just because of numbers. So the tax day protests will get at least a little mention in the news. While bad for the LP politically, maybe something good will come out of it.</p>
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