We reported recently on a controversy involving a Missouri agency which released a report on the modern militia movement, citing followers of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin as possible militia members.
While I have a policy of only linking to respectable sources, like major news outlets or scholars, I am going to link to Alex Jones’ InfoWars for the sake of linking the scans of the letter, which I consider to be an important development in this story. The letter is here, here, and here.
In the letter, they “respectfully demand that the following-described document be immediately removed from any and all websites associated with, or maintained by, the state of Missouri, or any agency thereof, including the MIAC”
30 responses so far ↓
1 CHUCKtheFED // Mar 23, 2009 at 5:28 pm
While M.I.A.C. is a “Missouri Agency”, I think it is important to emphasize, that as a ‘fusion center’, the Missouri Information Analysis Center is an arm of the Dept. Of Homeland Security, so that the amateurish nature of this report fairly represents the $37.4B dollars spent in 2002 to create this Department, deemed necessary after the 911 Commission Report…due to federal agencies’ apparent inability to share data, and so reflects the federal nature of this information (propaganda).
My thanks for carrying this story. Ron Paul will be here, in St. Louis, in just a few days… Fri. Mar. 27, at 8:00pm…at the Millennium Hotel. seeya there…
2 paulie // Mar 23, 2009 at 5:30 pm
We should inquire as to whether other state fusion centers are circulating similar reports.
3 brooke bida // Mar 23, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Just curious, so you not consider Info Wars a good website for resouces or facts? I’m not a hug fan or anything, just haven’t found him wrong yet. Also, I have trouble finding ANY “respectable sources, like major news outlets or scholars”these days. It all seems biased. Thanks for the info though. I love Ron so much. The media better treat him right, cause a lot of mad moms can do much more damage than any militia!
4 brooke bida // Mar 23, 2009 at 6:42 pm
He was great on Glenn Beck today discussing the issue.
5 sunshinebatman // Mar 23, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Re: letterhead — “Hon. Chuck Baldwin”?
Shouldn’t that be “Rev. Chuck Baldwin”? Who has Emily Post or Judith Martin handy…?
6 HumbleTravis // Mar 23, 2009 at 6:58 pm
It is humorous to see Glenn Beck act so outraged that someone could label some libertarians as potential terrorists when he was saying similar things in November of 2007.
7 Trent Hill // Mar 23, 2009 at 7:18 pm
“Just curious, so you not consider Info Wars a good website for resouces or facts? ”
No.
8 Gene Trosper // Mar 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm
@6
People *do* evolve in their thinking.
9 HumbleTravis // Mar 23, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Gene,
I do believe people can change their mind. I hope that he is sincere and I am glad he is mentioning the Federal Reserve on his show. He is also better on the Drug War than he was. I wanna see if he sticks with it or if he’s just riding the “outrage” wave.
10 paulie // Mar 23, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Conservative talkers tend to be a lot better when a Republican is not in the white house.
11 sunshinebatman // Mar 23, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Beck will “turn” again. He is deceptive and manipulative, and not as dumb as he pretends be.
12 Andy // Mar 23, 2009 at 10:24 pm
“While I have a policy of only linking to respectable sources, like major news outlets or scholars, I am going to link to Alex Jones’ InfoWars for the sake of linking the scans of the letter, which I consider to be an important development in this story. The letter is here, here, and here.”
What arrogant horseshit. Alex Jones is a great source of information. Most of his stuff comes straight from mainstream media sources around the world or straight from government documents. I’ve been following him since 2001 and he rarely gets a story wrong and on the few occassions when he does he issues a retraction if he finds out that something was wrong. I’d put Alex Jones up against anybody.
13 Trent Hill // Mar 23, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Andy,
My concern is not for the news itself–but for the commentary that is attached to it.
14 Trent Hill // Mar 23, 2009 at 10:55 pm
For example:
Baldwin was on the ballot as:
Alaskan Independence Party in Alaska
American Constitution Party in Colorado
Constitution Party in many states
Independent in many states
Independent American Party in Nevada
Nebraska Party in Nebraska
Reform Party in Kansas
US Taxpayer’s Party in Michigan
Constitutional Party in Pennsylvania
Concerned Citizens Party in Connecticut
Thats 10.
Baldwin also should’ve been on the ballot as the American Independent Party in California.
15 Adam // Mar 23, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Baldwin response video links:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vn86dNE9mcg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpUtgzG1C50
16 joe // Mar 24, 2009 at 12:49 am
Nice to know what the Department of Homeland Security thinks of guy’s like me who’s served 23 plus years in the Military and raised a family (two law abiding children) … Reports like this confirm to me Alex Jones must be right.
17 Thomas L. Knapp // Mar 24, 2009 at 9:44 am
The MIAC thing is a perfect example of how Jones works: He just plain, flat, indisputably and irrefutably lied about the content of the memo in order to make the story more sensational.
He and his kool-aid drinkers essentially gave MIAC, Nixon et al a “believably call your opponents lying whackjobs” hand to play in the media, and it took quite a bit of work to put together a better hand.
18 Melty // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:00 am
paranioya n conspiracy theory beat da hell outta apathy
19 Thomas L. Knapp // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:12 am
Melty,
No, paranoia and conspiracy theory ENCOURAGE apathy.
Paranoia and conspiracy theory are the status quo’s best friend. Sooner or later, every argument boils down to two sides in terms of popular perception. The powers that be love it when they get to position themselves as the only sane alternative to whackjobbery, rather than having to take on their real opponents. The status quo then wins by default.
20 paulie // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:44 am
Matthew Jeffers sent a message to the members of Screw MIAC! I’m NOT a Terrorist!
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Subject: Victories are being had, but the fight isn’t over yet!
*TAKE ACTION UPDATE #7* 3.24.2009
Missouri issues apology, BUT still includes many groups in it’s slanderous report!
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.prisonplanet.com%2Fstate-apologizes-to-paul-barr-baldwin-over-miac-report.html
This fight isn’t over yet. Keep on the phones and sending emails.
21 CHUCKtheFED // Mar 24, 2009 at 4:56 pm
what I want to know is…
Who commissioned this report?
who compiled this report?
who authorized this report?
do all States have a similar report.?
and don’t tell me it was “one guy down at Aurthur Anderson”.
This is ‘product’ of the ‘best and brightest’ org we have, DHS. It cannot be conceivable that it does lackluster work. The true objective may be on a ‘need to know basis’, but brass shining ass kissers don’t allow the train too far off the track.
(not that the press gets anything but the wrestling scores early…)
Mr. Knapp can argue what the report didn’t say, but I say it purposely said nothing. It was a connect the dots elephant in the room, and as such an irresponsible “teaching” tool. Innuendo is not what I want mixed with ‘big iron’. I suspect that the right, and not third parties were the true target, like Nixon’s enemies list, and the Clinton’s. Time will tell.
22 CHUCKtheFED // Mar 24, 2009 at 9:00 pm
http://www.ronpaulky.org/FPIAC.pdf
this is one deeply disturbing (read well done) parody of the M.I.A.C. report.
this is truly an information war
23 Thomas L. Knapp // Mar 24, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Chuck,
You write:
“I suspect that the right, and not third parties were the true target, like Nixon’s enemies list, and the Clinton’s. Time will tell.”
I suspect you’re correct.
MIAC is one of the new paper-shuffling bureaucracies — a money sink for “homeland security” funds. New regimes (both nationally and at the state level) mean new asses to kiss before the next funding point. So, MIAC cranked out something they thought their new Democrat masters would like.
Don’t mistake me for a MIAC supporter. Their work as represented by the report is third rate, poorly presented and clearly biased in favor of the party they expect to sign their future paychecks.
The burr under my saddle is that it’s bad enough that it doesn’t need to be lied about or misrepresented, and in fact lying about it and misrepresenting it makes it less likely that we’ll get something productive done about it.
24 Bill Lussenheide // Mar 24, 2009 at 9:30 pm
I have heard rumor that the report may have been based on information that was supplied by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
It certainly had a SPLC ring to it.
25 paulie // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm
CTF:
http://www.ronpaulky.org/FPIAC.pdf
doubleplusgood!
26 paulie // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:22 pm
27 sunshinebatman // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Knapp,
Thanks for staking out the radical position that this document is “third-rate.”
What would a “first-rate” Homeland fusion report on domestic political terrorists look like?
Thanx in advance,
-Sunshine
28 paulie // Mar 24, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Like
http://www.ronpaulky.org/FPIAC.pdf
29 Steven R Linnabary // Apr 3, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Interesting little video from a participant at the recent St Louis conference, detained by TSA at Lambert Field:
http://www.theagitator.com/2009/04/02/detained-by-tsa/
PEACE
30 paulie // Apr 3, 2009 at 5:30 pm
From the above link,
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