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		<title>By: Dick</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/01/libertarian-party-national-hq-were-in-trouble-send-money/comment-page-2/#comment-34144</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eem juges bacheek doer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eem juges bacheek doer</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LP could ask for a bailout...everybody else is!


Subject: [Libertariansfor911Truth] Porn industry seeks federal bailout
To: Libertariansfor911Truth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:11 PM

Porn industry seeks federal bailout
 
 
Posted: 03:00 PM ET

From CNN&#039;s Rebecca Sinderbrand and Mark Preston
 

 
Larry Flynt is asking for a bailout.
 
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global financial crisis continues: Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said Wednesday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout of the adult entertainment industry.
 
“The take here is that everyone and their mother want to be bailed out from the banks to the big three,” said Owen Moogan, spokesman for Larry Flynt. “The porn industry has been hurt by the downturn like everyone else and they are going to ask for the $5 billion. Is it the most serious thing in the world? Is it going to make the lives of Americans better if it happens? It is not for them to determine.”
 
Francis said in a statement that “the US government should actively support the adult industry&#039;s survival and growth, just as it feels the need to support any other industry cherished by the American people.&quot;
 
“We should be delivering [the request] by the end of today to our congressmen and [Secretary of the Treasury Henry] Paulson asking for this $5 billion dollar bailout,” he told CNN Wednesday.
 
Flynt and Francis concede the industry itself is in no financial danger — DVD sales have slipped over the past year, but Web traffic has continued to grow.
 
But the industry leaders said the issue is a nation in need. &quot;People are too depressed to be sexually active,&quot; Flynt said in the statement. &quot;This is very unhealthy as a nation. Americans can do without cars and such but they cannot do without sex.&quot;
 
&quot;With all this economic misery and people losing all that money, sex is the farthest thing from their mind. It&#039;s time for congress to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America. The only way they can do this is by supporting the adult industry and doing it quickly.&quot;
 
So far, there has been no congressional reaction to the request.
 
–CNN’s Chloe Melas contributed to this report</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LP could ask for a bailout&#8230;everybody else is!</p>
<p>Subject: [Libertariansfor911Truth] Porn industry seeks federal bailout<br />
To: <a href="mailto:Libertariansfor911Truth@yahoogroups.com">Libertariansfor911Truth@yahoogroups.com</a><br />
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 3:11 PM</p>
<p>Porn industry seeks federal bailout</p>
<p>Posted: 03:00 PM ET</p>
<p>From CNN&#8217;s Rebecca Sinderbrand and Mark Preston</p>
<p>Larry Flynt is asking for a bailout.</p>
<p>WASHINGTON (CNN) — Another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global financial crisis continues: Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said Wednesday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout of the adult entertainment industry.</p>
<p>“The take here is that everyone and their mother want to be bailed out from the banks to the big three,” said Owen Moogan, spokesman for Larry Flynt. “The porn industry has been hurt by the downturn like everyone else and they are going to ask for the $5 billion. Is it the most serious thing in the world? Is it going to make the lives of Americans better if it happens? It is not for them to determine.”</p>
<p>Francis said in a statement that “the US government should actively support the adult industry&#8217;s survival and growth, just as it feels the need to support any other industry cherished by the American people.&#8221;</p>
<p>“We should be delivering [the request] by the end of today to our congressmen and [Secretary of the Treasury Henry] Paulson asking for this $5 billion dollar bailout,” he told CNN Wednesday.</p>
<p>Flynt and Francis concede the industry itself is in no financial danger — DVD sales have slipped over the past year, but Web traffic has continued to grow.</p>
<p>But the industry leaders said the issue is a nation in need. &#8220;People are too depressed to be sexually active,&#8221; Flynt said in the statement. &#8220;This is very unhealthy as a nation. Americans can do without cars and such but they cannot do without sex.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;With all this economic misery and people losing all that money, sex is the farthest thing from their mind. It&#8217;s time for congress to rejuvenate the sexual appetite of America. The only way they can do this is by supporting the adult industry and doing it quickly.&#8221;</p>
<p>So far, there has been no congressional reaction to the request.</p>
<p>–CNN’s Chloe Melas contributed to this report</p>
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		<title>By: Melty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the Reform Caucus wants to go where the Ds n Rs ain&#039;t and do what they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the Reform Caucus wants to go where the Ds n Rs ain&#8217;t and do what they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Hogarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Hogarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VG:
You write:
&lt;i&gt;OTOH you have the so called radicals whose position apparently is (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.&lt;/i&gt;

Exaggerate much?

As MW pointed out, this is the position of some radicals but not all. What IS an actual stated position of the caucus is more concerned with (re)radicalizing the LP than with the sort of specific policy-level statement you mentioned:

http://www.lpradicals.org/pages/home/key-points.php

To imagine that you don&#039;t belong in a caucus because you disagree with what some folks reported as their personal opinions in an informal discussion is a bit overly sensitive, don&#039;t you think?

When speaking of strategy, you say:

&lt;i&gt;The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they’re [D and R) not… and do what they don’t.&lt;/i&gt;

And that is a pretty widely - though not universally - held opinion on strategy within the radical caucus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VG:<br />
You write:<br />
<i>OTOH you have the so called radicals whose position apparently is (a) defund the government completely and immediately without exception, (b) repudiate the national debt in its entirety, (c) toss 80 year olds out in the cold, and (d) tell 30 year veterans in VA hospitals to hit the streets with their pencils.</i></p>
<p>Exaggerate much?</p>
<p>As MW pointed out, this is the position of some radicals but not all. What IS an actual stated position of the caucus is more concerned with (re)radicalizing the LP than with the sort of specific policy-level statement you mentioned:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lpradicals.org/pages/home/key-points.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.lpradicals.org/pages/home/key-points.php</a></p>
<p>To imagine that you don&#8217;t belong in a caucus because you disagree with what some folks reported as their personal opinions in an informal discussion is a bit overly sensitive, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>When speaking of strategy, you say:</p>
<p><i>The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they’re [D and R) not… and do what they don’t.</i></p>
<p>And that is a pretty widely &#8211; though not universally &#8211; held opinion on strategy within the radical caucus.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@78 
Guerilla warfare eh? In more ways than one I&#039;m afraid. A gnat doesn&#039;t bother an elephant or a jackass much.

Keep your powder dry...

AS for NLP they could let the lease run out at the high priced Watergate and move the Nat Office to each state HQ where the Nat.Convention will be held each two years. Pay those state workers a commission on the funds they actually collect for NLP not a bloated salary. It needs to become a lean mean fightin&#039; machine, not a bloated Republican club enriching only a few (non-producers at that) at the top...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@78<br />
Guerilla warfare eh? In more ways than one I&#8217;m afraid. A gnat doesn&#8217;t bother an elephant or a jackass much.</p>
<p>Keep your powder dry&#8230;</p>
<p>AS for NLP they could let the lease run out at the high priced Watergate and move the Nat Office to each state HQ where the Nat.Convention will be held each two years. Pay those state workers a commission on the funds they actually collect for NLP not a bloated salary. It needs to become a lean mean fightin&#8217; machine, not a bloated Republican club enriching only a few (non-producers at that) at the top&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Eades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky Eades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@75 - I agree.

You might add the possibility that the Maya may have been a couple of years off on their calendar due to &quot;rounding off&quot; and time will come to an end earlier than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@75 &#8211; I agree.</p>
<p>You might add the possibility that the Maya may have been a couple of years off on their calendar due to &#8220;rounding off&#8221; and time will come to an end earlier than expected.</p>
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		<title>By: VirtualGalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>VirtualGalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, by means of some comparison, the Democratic National Committee, for the midOct/midNov period, reported expenditures of $51 &lt;strong&gt;million.&lt;/strong&gt;  In a month.  $194mm year to date.  That of course does not include the senate and congressional cmtes, the state parties, the individual candidates, or the $514mm &lt;strong&gt;minimum&lt;/strong&gt; spent by Saint Barack.

So our hundred and some odd thousand, against that backdrop, is like the buzzing of a gnat&#039;s wings.

We are never going to have any measure of success if we are trying to be &quot;just like the big boys and girls&quot;, and do things just like the big boys and girls do,  but with 0.1% of the budget.  We will never rise above the chatter that way.

The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they&#039;re not... and do what they don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, by means of some comparison, the Democratic National Committee, for the midOct/midNov period, reported expenditures of $51 <strong>million.</strong>  In a month.  $194mm year to date.  That of course does not include the senate and congressional cmtes, the state parties, the individual candidates, or the $514mm <strong>minimum</strong> spent by Saint Barack.</p>
<p>So our hundred and some odd thousand, against that backdrop, is like the buzzing of a gnat&#8217;s wings.</p>
<p>We are never going to have any measure of success if we are trying to be &#8220;just like the big boys and girls&#8221;, and do things just like the big boys and girls do,  but with 0.1% of the budget.  We will never rise above the chatter that way.</p>
<p>The answer, I would suggest, is to go where they&#8217;re not&#8230; and do what they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: George Phillies</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Phillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to &quot;what does the spending consist of&quot;, you might usefully reread the sentence

&quot;For complete details, see The Daily Liberty thedailyliberty. com&quot; 

and realize that the URL Link answers some of your questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to &#8220;what does the spending consist of&#8221;, you might usefully reread the sentence</p>
<p>&#8220;For complete details, see The Daily Liberty thedailyliberty. com&#8221; </p>
<p>and realize that the URL Link answers some of your questions.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinebatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshinebatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Mr. Sipos for confirming that his statist &quot;education&quot; and concomitant psychological conditioning has rendered him too functionally retarded to even understand a straightforward question.   His frothing vacuousness is emblematic of the failure of third parties to provide any real alternative to the current power structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Mr. Sipos for confirming that his statist &#8220;education&#8221; and concomitant psychological conditioning has rendered him too functionally retarded to even understand a straightforward question.   His frothing vacuousness is emblematic of the failure of third parties to provide any real alternative to the current power structure.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulie cannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yeah, there would be, except that it is not going to happen. 

Things that are more likely to happen than the courts ruling that Obama is not a natural born citizen on or before 2009.01.20:

1. Bush declaring martial law and staying in office

2. The KKK outsmarting the Secret Service

3. BHO keeling over from a heart attack

4. A meteor ending all human life

5. Sudden reversal of the north and south poles

6. The entire leadership of the country and all other countries coming out of the closet as shape-shifting reptiles from outer space

7. An anarcho-capitalist revolution followed by the immediate advent of the Second Coming of Christ

More seriously, a collapse of the dollar does not seem too unlikely. Additional terrorist attacks on a larger scale than 9/11 and/or massive outbreaks of deadly infectious disease seem plausible. More, larger, Katrina-like disasters - certainly possible. I think NorthCom has more to do with those than any fantasy that the courts will find Obama ineligible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yeah, there would be, except that it is not going to happen. </p>
<p>Things that are more likely to happen than the courts ruling that Obama is not a natural born citizen on or before 2009.01.20:</p>
<p>1. Bush declaring martial law and staying in office</p>
<p>2. The KKK outsmarting the Secret Service</p>
<p>3. BHO keeling over from a heart attack</p>
<p>4. A meteor ending all human life</p>
<p>5. Sudden reversal of the north and south poles</p>
<p>6. The entire leadership of the country and all other countries coming out of the closet as shape-shifting reptiles from outer space</p>
<p>7. An anarcho-capitalist revolution followed by the immediate advent of the Second Coming of Christ</p>
<p>More seriously, a collapse of the dollar does not seem too unlikely. Additional terrorist attacks on a larger scale than 9/11 and/or massive outbreaks of deadly infectious disease seem plausible. More, larger, Katrina-like disasters &#8211; certainly possible. I think NorthCom has more to do with those than any fantasy that the courts will find Obama ineligible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky Eades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky Eades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49 sunshinebatman:

Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. In which case there will be nationwide riots and marital law - imposed by the DOD&#039;s NorthCom - or don&#039;t you read the news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49 sunshinebatman:</p>
<p>Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. In which case there will be nationwide riots and marital law &#8211; imposed by the DOD&#8217;s NorthCom &#8211; or don&#8217;t you read the news?</p>
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		<title>By: derkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>derkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


The new LP site is a huge upgrade from the old one. For IT purposes, I would assume that is actually a really small number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The new LP site is a huge upgrade from the old one. For IT purposes, I would assume that is actually a really small number.</p>
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		<title>By: darolew</title>
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		<dc:creator>darolew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that, dollar-for-dollar, there are better investments in liberty than the LP; I&#039;m not sure why anyone would pour more money into what seems to be a fairly ineffective organization. 

I don&#039;t hold it against the LP that they&#039;re begging for money -- LvMI and LRC do it too, along with other libertarian organizations -- but the money that they do get seems to be poorly spent, which is the real issue.

Perhaps it&#039;s time to ask whether a (explicitly) libertarian party was ever a good idea; perhaps it&#039;s time to let the LP, or at least the national LP, fade away.

We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that, dollar-for-dollar, there are better investments in liberty than the LP; I&#8217;m not sure why anyone would pour more money into what seems to be a fairly ineffective organization. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t hold it against the LP that they&#8217;re begging for money &#8212; LvMI and LRC do it too, along with other libertarian organizations &#8212; but the money that they do get seems to be poorly spent, which is the real issue.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time to ask whether a (explicitly) libertarian party was ever a good idea; perhaps it&#8217;s time to let the LP, or at least the national LP, fade away.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: sludge puppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sludge puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been in the U.S. government I have a pretty good idea what confidential means.  This ain&#039;t it.

What I&#039;d like to know is what the money was spent on consultants for and who those consultants were.  That&#039;s $12,690.
Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been in the U.S. government I have a pretty good idea what confidential means.  This ain&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is what the money was spent on consultants for and who those consultants were.  That&#8217;s $12,690.<br />
Then there is the IT work at $17,977 what does that consist of?</p>
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		<title>By: Coming on the back of the LP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming on the back of the LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;everyone should be a volunteer. no pay&quot;

Brilliant, I agree! I want the LP to die too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;everyone should be a volunteer. no pay&#8221;</p>
<p>Brilliant, I agree! I want the LP to die too.</p>
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