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	<title>Comments on: Green Alan Augustson announces candidacy in Illinois&#8217;s 5th congressional district</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who thinks the Catholic Trotskyist is Batshit insane?!?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who thinks the Catholic Trotskyist is Batshit insane?!?!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Jocoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Jocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trent wrote:


Gregg,

Ohk, i’ll play your game.

**Perhaps this is a good place to start.  Trent, actual people&#039;s lives are involved in political, corporate and governmental decisions.  That you consider this to be a &quot;game&quot; speaks volumes.**

 Do you think there should be an EPA, a Department of Education, a Department of Energy, and Department of Housing, etc should be killed at the Federal level?

**EPA-keep it.  Dept of Education-kill it.  Department of Housing-kill it.  Etc...depends on the mission, and whether actual reform is possible.**

 Do you think the Federal Government should ensure voting rights?

**Yes**

 Do you think the Federal Government should send money to an area that has just experienced a natural disaster (see Katrina)?

Money is but one component, but if the question is, do I believe the federal government has a proper role to play in helping those damaged by natural disaster, the answer is yes, and no.  Those with the capacity to help themselves should be expected to do so.  Those who made foolish decisions about where they located their homes etc should not be helped by the federal government.**

 If you want to kill all those departments, and dont want the Federal Government to do all those things—I’ll apologize and take back my remarks.

**Your apologies are unimportant to me.  Frankly, I don&#039;t care either way.**

If not, then you do not support decentralism–you simply give it lip service.

**So, to be clear, &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; get to decide what defines green decentralization, even though you have shown neither any real understanding of Green politics nor the capacity for honest, independent evaluation of the Green Party or our politics.  Your prejudice against the Green Party and our goals and values clouds your judgment to the point that all I see when I read what you write is contempt.**

And, I’ll also note, Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Rich Whitney, or whomever–I have never heard any major Green suggest that the Federal government ought to give up power to the states or localities.

**Well, the Michigan Greens have rejected the idea of a federal bail-out for the auto industry.  You don&#039;t understand, and don&#039;t want to understand, green thinking.  And, while I don&#039;t expect you to change even a little bit, I do know that I have never seen a single Green Party member call for distancing us from decentralization, or any of the Ten Key Values.  The fact that you are focused on the &quot;leaders&quot; of the party shows just how deeply you don&#039;t understand &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml#dec&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decentralization.&lt;/a&gt;**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent wrote:</p>
<p>Gregg,</p>
<p>Ohk, i’ll play your game.</p>
<p>**Perhaps this is a good place to start.  Trent, actual people&#8217;s lives are involved in political, corporate and governmental decisions.  That you consider this to be a &#8220;game&#8221; speaks volumes.**</p>
<p> Do you think there should be an EPA, a Department of Education, a Department of Energy, and Department of Housing, etc should be killed at the Federal level?</p>
<p>**EPA-keep it.  Dept of Education-kill it.  Department of Housing-kill it.  Etc&#8230;depends on the mission, and whether actual reform is possible.**</p>
<p> Do you think the Federal Government should ensure voting rights?</p>
<p>**Yes**</p>
<p> Do you think the Federal Government should send money to an area that has just experienced a natural disaster (see Katrina)?</p>
<p>Money is but one component, but if the question is, do I believe the federal government has a proper role to play in helping those damaged by natural disaster, the answer is yes, and no.  Those with the capacity to help themselves should be expected to do so.  Those who made foolish decisions about where they located their homes etc should not be helped by the federal government.**</p>
<p> If you want to kill all those departments, and dont want the Federal Government to do all those things—I’ll apologize and take back my remarks.</p>
<p>**Your apologies are unimportant to me.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t care either way.**</p>
<p>If not, then you do not support decentralism–you simply give it lip service.</p>
<p>**So, to be clear, <i>you</i> get to decide what defines green decentralization, even though you have shown neither any real understanding of Green politics nor the capacity for honest, independent evaluation of the Green Party or our politics.  Your prejudice against the Green Party and our goals and values clouds your judgment to the point that all I see when I read what you write is contempt.**</p>
<p>And, I’ll also note, Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Rich Whitney, or whomever–I have never heard any major Green suggest that the Federal government ought to give up power to the states or localities.</p>
<p>**Well, the Michigan Greens have rejected the idea of a federal bail-out for the auto industry.  You don&#8217;t understand, and don&#8217;t want to understand, green thinking.  And, while I don&#8217;t expect you to change even a little bit, I do know that I have never seen a single Green Party member call for distancing us from decentralization, or any of the Ten Key Values.  The fact that you are focused on the &#8220;leaders&#8221; of the party shows just how deeply you don&#8217;t understand <a href="http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml#dec" rel="nofollow">decentralization.</a>**</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then, lg, go out there and be an activist. &quot;f you build it, they will come.&quot; Let that be your mantra ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then, lg, go out there and be an activist. &#8220;f you build it, they will come.&#8221; Let that be your mantra <img src='http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;IF your serious about changing the world , and you KNOW  your philosophy is correct , then you owe it to your philosophy to learn how to win elections&quot;
Blackwell.

my favorite quote whenever i get tired of trying to win elections and just want to rely on activism to change things:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;IF your serious about changing the world , and you KNOW  your philosophy is correct , then you owe it to your philosophy to learn how to win elections&#8221;<br />
Blackwell.</p>
<p>my favorite quote whenever i get tired of trying to win elections and just want to rely on activism to change things:)</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m saying is that if your mission (as a candidate or a party) is to educate and start a social movement rather than to elect people who will push a certain agenda, then maybe a political party isn&#039;t the best way to accomplish your goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that if your mission (as a candidate or a party) is to educate and start a social movement rather than to elect people who will push a certain agenda, then maybe a political party isn&#8217;t the best way to accomplish your goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/01/green-alan-augustson-announces-candidacy-in-illinoiss-5th-congressional-district/comment-page-1/#comment-34656</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep runnin&#039; Al!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep runnin&#8217; Al!!</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/01/green-alan-augustson-announces-candidacy-in-illinoiss-5th-congressional-district/comment-page-1/#comment-34642</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Matt. I know you&#039;re not a libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Matt. I know you&#8217;re not a libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good if you can get elected and, ugh, work with the socialists to cut government spending, but shouldn&#039;t the core of the LP be &quot;hardcore&quot;? The LP is not the candidates that its fielding, it&#039;s repesentative the core beliefs of which the party stands. Go check out the dems. They&#039;re 100% socialist amongst themselves, yet they field center-left canddates, usually, not far-left as much, otherwise you would have seen Kucinich as their nominee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good if you can get elected and, ugh, work with the socialists to cut government spending, but shouldn&#8217;t the core of the LP be &#8220;hardcore&#8221;? The LP is not the candidates that its fielding, it&#8217;s repesentative the core beliefs of which the party stands. Go check out the dems. They&#8217;re 100% socialist amongst themselves, yet they field center-left canddates, usually, not far-left as much, otherwise you would have seen Kucinich as their nominee</p>
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		<title>By: mattc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and if you could never group me in with LJ again, that would be sweet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and if you could never group me in with LJ again, that would be sweet</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I used to be more pragmatic. But look at what happened to the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I used to be more pragmatic. But look at what happened to the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: mattc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that spreading the message is just as important to a 3rd party as winning is. Especially since our current system will always trend towards having 2 dominant parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that spreading the message is just as important to a 3rd party as winning is. Especially since our current system will always trend towards having 2 dominant parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, political parties can exist in a free society, unfortunately, the US is not a free society. Check out principled populism http://knappster.blogspot.com/search?q=populism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, political parties can exist in a free society, unfortunately, the US is not a free society. Check out principled populism <a href="http://knappster.blogspot.com/search?q=populism" rel="nofollow">http://knappster.blogspot.com/search?q=populism</a></p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and what do you guys think the purpose of a political party is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and what do you guys think the purpose of a political party is?</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libertarian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Matt. LG is a statist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Matt. LG is a statist</p>
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		<title>By: mattc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And as for third party politics - it seems like if you’re taking part in electoral politics, the thing that matters most is getting elected.&quot;

Spoken like a true karl rove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And as for third party politics &#8211; it seems like if you’re taking part in electoral politics, the thing that matters most is getting elected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Spoken like a true karl rove.</p>
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