I have no interest in a “social club” and no love of playing politics simply for the sake of it.

So FWIW, that’s what this non-LP libertarian thinks…

And many of the ideas that have been tried have been poorly executed.

I won’t be satisfied until Root apologizes for the racist Obama statement

He apologized 5 times for the remarks that sounded racist in San Diego. He is acutely aware of them.

As for the laughter in the room it was Team Trouble ( Jim Deunsing and LibertarianGirl ) laughing the loudest and being threatened with expulsion from Starr. LOL
Plus with ‘ Discipline This ‘ written on my ass and my whip being cracked everytime there was applause , I hope I made it as ridiculous as possible:)

I can tell you’re envious of socialists.

And I thought socialists want an end to money? hmmm

Fair enough. Maybe they are losing money. But then they are personally subsidizing it, and putting out a product that at least sells to their membership to the point where they want to resell it to the public at a loss. I will also include volunteer time as a money-equivalent for this purpose.

The key point I was trying to make was not whether they make money as a traditional business enterprise. They are not a traditional business enterprise, because making a profit on paper is not the only reason for people to be in the enterprise.

It’s certainly possible that they would function at a loss if it were not for the ideological motivation of their party members. But the fact is that they do continue to operate, and they do continue to put out a product that at least someone is willing to sell and at least someone is willing to buy on an ongoing basis.

Libertarians have yet to do that as a political party, to my knowledge, although there are several movement mags (Reason, Liberty etc) that provide a similar function. Even there, their distribution model is not similar to what the hard left parties do:

They don’t put out a regular broadside covering the current news from their ideological perspective which they then distribute to the public, by approaching random people on the street.

When the socialist parties do this, they are accomplishing several tasks – building their cadre (sales force), distributing their ideological viewpoint widely, looking for recruits.

The LP has yet to do this. I’m not saying I know how to get it done, or that I want to make it my personal priority – I just used it as one example out of many things that might work, because they have worked at least to some extent for other parties.

I’m also not suggesting that this should necessarily be LP News – Marc did tell me before about the need for a separate in-house organ.

Well, I sure hope that paper isn’t selling well…

Ask what?

A: Yes. For one thing, I’ve seen people selling them and people buying them.

That’s not evidence that they earn a profit.

I think antiwar should be a key issue for the Boston Tea Party. We don’t have any of the Barr baggage.

First rule of what?

I meant to say em-barr-assed.

Because many Democrats will get pro-war in a hurry with Obama in office, and many on the left who protested loudly with Shrub in office will disappear from the peace scene. Now will be the time for Libertarians (if they only had a brain!) to pop up loudly and noisily and fill that gap alongside the die-hard peace warriors that remain.

It’s too bad Mr. Garris has no interest in my advice about creating a lobbying arm for antiwar, and it’s probably too late to fund it through a Dem-connected soft money voter reg deal. It was a great idea, but nobody took me up on it. And I can’t recreate what antiwar has already done from scratch. Would that I could.

The fact that Root is popular on Fox News is not a good sign. A true libertarian would be despised by the neocon Fox News.

Very, very true, to our eternal shame.

But also, to some extent, yesterday’s battle and yesterday’s news.

The moment has passed. There is no time machine.

Steve Newton has some thoughts on the next battle coming up:

http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2008/12/thinking-about-third-party-personality.html