Comments on: Shamus Cooke: ‘The danger of right-wing populism’

By: Libertarian Joseph

Libertarian Joseph — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:45:44 +0000

But a minarchy is a state. might be small, but it is what it is, the monopoly over governance, involuntary governance.

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:21:27 +0000

“you canâ€™t be a minarchist and be anti-state. that makes no sense. unless theyâ€™re minarchists that want voluntary government”

I believe this to be quite false. HL Mencken, Albert Jay Nock, Frank Chodorov, and Garet Garrett were all anti-state minarchists. Walter Block has said he believes in such a thing, as does Thomas E. Woods.

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:11:52 +0000

I don’t watch mainstream media.

My news sources sources are the comments here, a small handful of alternative party sites – you can figure out pretty easily which ones, I generally link my sources here – and google news for the names of the larger alternative parties and their 2008 presidential candidates.

By: Terry Conspiracy

Terry Conspiracy — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:33 +0000

Yes, the L.A. (Los Angeles) GOP (Grand Old Party) is now in the hands of the RPM (Ron Paul Movement), & Trent Hill has trumped that good news bulletin with…….

“Ron Paulers have had some startling wins lately, in Alameda County, Los Angeles County, and Orange County. In Missouri, Ron Paulers control roughly half of the State Party.”

paulie cannoli can not be faulted for not being in the know on such matters, because the true fault lies squarely in the hands of the CCP (Corporatist Controlled Press). They are clearly trying to restrict public awareness of the grass roots movement behind Ron Paul, in the hopes that it will fade away, but to no avail.

The question is, when will the MSM (Main Stream Media) do the right thing & recognize these RPM (Ron Paul Movement) victories as news worthy ?

This may prove to be the tactical blunder that will allow the RPM to continue to win regional control over the GOP establishment, because their rank & file members will continue to be taken by surprise, just like paulie cannoli.

My favorite quote from the last election was “It seams like, the more we ignore him (Ron Paul), the more popular he gets”.

By: RedPhillips

RedPhillips — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0000

I’ll let the KKK as progressive comment pass, but many religious progressives had abandoned orthodoxy. The lapsed Puritan social gospel advocates being a good example. Their embrace of progressive causes was entirely consistent with their rejection of orthodoxy and embrace of modernist religion.

By: JimDavidson

JimDavidson — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:07:44 +0000

Not mentioned are the alternative currencies attacked by the government, such as Liberty Dollar and e-gold.

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:05:22 +0000

“Your ignorance is staggering, Trent. Back up your bs with facts”

My ignorance is staggering but you want ME to provide the links for information that is well-known to most in the liberty movement? Do your own research troll. Paulites have had major wins in several counties in CA and control alot of the MO-Republican organization.

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:04:14 +0000

“LA = Louisiana

L.A. = Los Angeles”

Precisely.

By: G.E.

G.E. — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:27:16 +0000

LA = Louisiana

L.A. = Los Angeles

By: G.E.

G.E. — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:26:41 +0000

Lefties often consider religiousness, personal and public, as inherently anti-progressive, and in a way they are correct.

Except that the bulk of the Progressives (including the KKK) of the Progressive Era were religious nutjobs.

By: Libertarian Joseph

Libertarian Joseph — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:25:48 +0000

Your ignorance is staggering, Trent. Back up your bs with facts

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:23:28 +0000

He means Los Angeles by LA. California Ron Paulers have had some startling wins lately, in Alameda County, Los Angeles County, and Orange County. In Missouri, Ron Paulers control roughly half of the State Party.

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:12:00 +0000

Of some possible interest to readers of this exchange…

http://www.greenchange.org/article.php?id=3717

Most of us take for granted that those rectangular green slips of paper we keep in our wallets are inviolable: the physical embodiment of value. But alternative forms of money have a long history and appear to be growing in popularity. It’s not merely barter or primitive means of exchange like seashells or beads. Beneath the financial radar, in hip U.S. towns or South African townships, in shops, markets and even banks, people throughout the world are exchanging goods and services via thousands of currency types that look nothing like official tender.

Alternative means of trade often surface during tough economic times. “When money gets dried up and there are still needs to be met in society, people come up with creative ways to meet those needs,” says Peter North, a senior lecturer in geography at the University of Liverpool and the author of two books on the subject. He refers to the “scrips” issued in the U.S. and Europe during the Great Depression that kept money flowing and the massive barter exchanges involving millions of people that emerged amid runaway inflation in Argentina in 2000. “People were kept from starving [this way],” he says.

Closer to home, “Ithaca Hours,” with a livable hourly wage as the standard, were launched during the 1991 recession to sustain the economy in Ithaca, N.Y., and stem the loss of jobs. Hours, which are legal and taxable, circulate within the community, moving from local shop to local artisan and back, rather than leaking out into the larger monetary system. The logo on the Hour reads “In Ithaca We Trust.”

Alternative (or “complementary”) currencies range from quaint to robust, simple to high tech. There are Greens from the Lettuce Patch Bank at the Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage in rural northeastern Missouri. In western Massachusetts one finds fine-artist-designed BerkShares, which are convertible to U.S. dollars. More than $2 million in BerkShares have been issued through the 12 branches of five local banks, according to Susan Witt, executive director of the E.F. Schumacher Society, the nonprofit behind the currency. And in South Africa, proprietary software keeps track of Community Exchange System (CES) Talents; one ambitious plan is to make Khayelitsha, a vast, desolate township of perhaps 1 million inhabitants near Cape Town, a self-sustaining community.

An alternative currency is generally used in conjunction with conventional money; one may use local currency at the farmers’ market and regular greenbacks at the supermarket.

By: paulie cannoli

paulie cannoli — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:07:28 +0000

The Ron Paul movement has just taken control of the LA GOP, & I cheer their victory !

We have a problem with that abbreviation in the states. Louisiana? Los Angeles? Lower Alabama?

In any case, I cheer their victory, wherever it was.

By: Terry Conspiracy

Terry Conspiracy — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:04:46 +0000

As a Ron Paul Canadian, I look to the pro Constitutionists as our best defense against the looming American annexation of my country.

The Ron Paul movement has just taken control of the LA GOP, & I cheer their victory !

A Ron Paul “Revolution from within” in the style of Jerry Rubin is just the ticket Canadians need to see. Congratulations LA for leading the way to a better World by 2012 !

By: RedPhillips

RedPhillips — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:04:33 +0000

“And who is this guyâ€™s intended audience.

Left wingers who he thinks are becoming too friendly towards Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan.”

I know, but he acts as if they are unknown entities. PCR may need a brief bio for readers, but RP and PJB? The article comes off as very amateurish.

And it is entirely possible that Shamus IS objecting to Paul’s personal religiousness. Lefties often consider religiousness, personal and public, as inherently anti-progressive, and in a way they are correct.

By: JimDavidson

JimDavidson — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:30:25 +0000

@5 Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Not Eurasia. Eh.

@9 Correct on Ron Paul. He is personally anti-abortion, as are many people. He is strongly pro-constitution, and as you note this does not give the federal government any relevant power over abortion.

By: Libertarian Joseph

Libertarian Joseph — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:16:46 +0000

you can’t be a minarchist and be anti-state. that makes no sense. unless they’re minarchists that want voluntary government

By: Trent Hill

Trent Hill — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:12:55 +0000

“a number of Ron Paul followers.”

More than just a number. I’d bet…5-7 percent, possibly, with another 5-7% being anti-state minarchists–all of the Austrian Economics variety.

By: Libertarian Joseph

Libertarian Joseph — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:07:34 +0000

what immigration? government doesn’t really own land. there two kinds of land

owned land

and unclaimed land

government can own neither. but government however is able to homestead, but it may never involuntarily set “national policy” leave that to the landowners