Comments on: Proposed LNC resolution calling for a repudiation of current domestic military operations http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/ Covering America's third parties and independent candidates since May 2008 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:34:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JimDavidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-28007 JimDavidson Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:36:16 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-28007 @9 A Patrick named Henry. @9 A Patrick named Henry.

]]> By: paulie cannoli http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27349 paulie cannoli Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:49:22 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27349 He would prefer not to be identified. He would prefer not to be identified.

]]> By: Catholic Trotskyist http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27347 Catholic Trotskyist Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:48:33 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27347 Jim, you're starting to sound like me. Seriously, who wrote this? Jim, you’re starting to sound like me. Seriously, who wrote this?

]]> By: paulie cannoli http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27302 paulie cannoli Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:14:22 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27302 I think people are missing the ball here in focusing on the last sentence. The author did say, "I am recommending that this draft be submitted to the committee so that they may make suggestions, comments, edits, or any revisions necessary, so long as the “original intent” is preserved." I think the main topic addressed is the wide scale use of the military in domestic operations. The last sentence can be changed or eliminated, but the broader topic should be addressed. I think people are missing the ball here in focusing on the last sentence. The author did say, “I am recommending that this draft be submitted to the committee so that they may make suggestions, comments, edits, or any revisions necessary, so long as the “original intent” is preserved.”

I think the main topic addressed is the wide scale use of the military in domestic operations.
The last sentence can be changed or eliminated, but the broader topic should be addressed.

]]> By: JimDavidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27277 JimDavidson Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:52:10 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27277 I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission?

]]> By: JimDavidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27276 JimDavidson Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:51:19 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27276 "I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!" “I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!”

]]> By: inDglass http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27275 inDglass Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:43:11 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27275 Best suited for <em>winning</em> wars? Recent history might suggest they are best suited for <em>losing</em> them. Best suited for winning wars? Recent history might suggest they are best suited for losing them.

]]> By: songster7 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27240 songster7 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:40:06 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27240 that last line is one of those "compromises" that occur when naturally non-aggressive persons encounter those for whom restraint is a challenge. Even among libertarians this dichotomy seems to exist. that last line is one of those “compromises” that occur when naturally non-aggressive persons encounter those for whom restraint is a challenge. Even among libertarians this dichotomy seems to exist.

]]> By: Steven R Linnabary http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27234 Steven R Linnabary Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:10:55 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27234 <i>The military is best suited for winning foreign wars and not policing the world, or the American homeland.</i> The military is best suited for killing people and breaking things in foreign wars and not killing people and breaking things in the world in general, or killing people and breaking things in American homeland. ?? Pacem en Terris Steve The military is best suited for winning foreign wars and not policing the world, or the American homeland.

The military is best suited for killing people and breaking things in foreign wars and not killing people and breaking things in the world in general, or killing people and breaking things in American homeland.

??

Pacem en Terris
Steve

]]> By: JimDavidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27213 JimDavidson Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:52:45 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27213 Though, come to think of it, the foreign wars line in the last paragraph kinda sux. Though, come to think of it, the foreign wars line in the last paragraph kinda sux.

]]> By: JimDavidson http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/12/proposed-lnc-resolution-calling-for-a-repudiation-of-current-domestic-military-operations/comment-page-1/#comment-27212 JimDavidson Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:52:28 +0000 http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?p=4983#comment-27212 This looks like a good idea. I wonder if it is going to get any attention during the brouhaha about Angela. This looks like a good idea. I wonder if it is going to get any attention during the brouhaha about Angela.

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