27 responses so far ↓

• 1 Trent Hill // Dec 5, 2008 at 11:21 pm

  Id bet the LP could say goodbye to Arizona, Tennessee, Nevada, and New York—at the very least.

• 2 Gene Trosper // Dec 5, 2008 at 11:32 pm

  Definitely Arizona. You don’t mess with them!

• 3 paulie cannoli // Dec 5, 2008 at 11:37 pm

  Have they passed one of those state resolutions?

• 4 Trent Hill // Dec 6, 2008 at 12:43 am

  I dont think Arizona needs to….its implicitly understood,lol.

• 5 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 12:43 am

  Well, there *is* precedent there.

• 6 Steve M // Dec 6, 2008 at 12:49 am

  Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Nevada and Massachusetts have all passed resolutions against using the time at the LNC Meeting. I understand that New Hampshire has said don’t use us as a reason. The New York Libertarian Party Chair has warned that state parties might break with the Libertarian National Committee if

  “If a duly elected official from a body at large is castigated, maligned and subsequently removed without proper recourse or representation”

  I have been sending donations to state parties that have passed resolutions against the persecution or at least wasting time with this action against Angela Keaton.

  I am happy to be collecting memberships from quality Libertarian State Party Organizations.

  So ask your selves, if you had planed to make a donation to the national committee, and you think they aren’t doing their job. Why not help the state parties that are doing the job? I plan to frame all the membership cards that I receive from this period. And If I get to see some of the party activists from these states I will ask them to sign the cards.

  These are the people that I believe will lead us forward. These are the people that will be at least foot notes in history. Their signature on a state party card will be a collectible!

• 7 Trent Hill // Dec 6, 2008 at 12:56 am

  “Well, there *is* precedent there.”

  My point exactly.

• 8 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 12:57 am

  OTOH that was eight years ago and it’s not all the same people.

• 9 G.E. // Dec 6, 2008 at 1:10 am

  If other states secede, don’t count Michigan out. I think leadership is timid about acting first, but there are a lot of strongly opinionated members who might join in if it becomes a movement.

  Burn, motherfucker, burn.

• 10 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 1:16 am

  Steve Newton analyzes the charges

  http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2008/12/because-absudity-is-obviously-foreign.html

• 11 Thomas M. Sipos // Dec 6, 2008 at 1:21 am

  If state parties disaffiliate, I hope they fight and win in keeping their names.

  National may claim that their “trademark” in the LP name means that (1) disaffiliated parties must give up the name, and (2) cede their Libertarian ballot access to whichever new state party affiliates with national.

• 12 coming on the back of the LP // Dec 6, 2008 at 1:52 am

  Burn, motherfucker, burn.
  

  Hell yes!

• 13 Steve M // Dec 6, 2008 at 2:50 am

  From a due process stand point I would like to see that the accusations against an individual be levied in a timely manner along with all evidence so that the accused can prepare a defense.

  So far we know not who is accusing Angela, we have learned the charges less then 5 days before the hearing. We have learned only some of the
  supporting evidence less then 1 day before the hearing with more surprise evidence to be shown at the hearing.

  I know that this level of prosecutorial misconduct must bother you as it does me.

  At the very least, to be fair to the accused those on the prosecution side must present all the evidence and give a reasonable time period to prepare a defense.

  This hasn’t happened in the accusations against Angela.

  The LNC should dismiss the charges and must at a minimum post pone this
  action.

• 14 inDglass // Dec 6, 2008 at 2:59 am

  How convenient! The Boston Tea Party is looking to expand with new state affiliates.

• 15 JimDavidson // Dec 6, 2008 at 3:01 am

  @14 “Down boy!” Good one, though.

• 16 inDglass // Dec 6, 2008 at 3:07 am

  I am just recalling all the work I have done and still have to do to get the BTP of Indiana fully functioning. It’s not easy starting from scratch.

• 17 JimDavidson // Dec 6, 2008 at 4:24 am

  Yes, as Tom Knapp certainly could have guessed in 2006. But, sometimes, Douglass, it has its rewards.

• 18 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 8:36 am

  So far we know not who is accusing Angela,

  Unless you meant now rather than not, we do; Stewart Flood.

  We have learned only some of the
  supporting evidence less then 1 day before the hearing with more surprise evidence to be shown at the hearing.

  I haven’t seen anything about surprise evidence. Where did you get that?

  As far as why this is coming so late, Stewart told me that he had personal safety concerns. Apparently he is taking the alleged “could have things done to him” threat very seriously.

• 19 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 8:37 am

  National may claim that their “trademark” in the LP name means that (1) disaffiliated parties must give up the name, and (2) cede their Libertarian ballot access to whichever new state party affiliates with national.

  Yes, but will they have enough money to pay their attorney to enforce the claim?

• 20 Steve M // Dec 6, 2008 at 8:56 am

  From Stewart’s email which included hie evidence:

  “It will be further supported by the presentation on Saturday.”

  the complete paragraph:

  “Attached you will find a revised resolution of discipline, along with a companion document containing evidence to support the resolution. It will be further supported by the presentation on Saturday. I have also included the portion of the policy manual covering harassment.”

• 21 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 9:04 am

  As I understood it, “further supported” refers to Stewart going through the evidence in the form of a presentation and answering questions. He did not make any indication in our phone conversations that he is going to present anything other than what is in his report.

• 22 Michael H. Wilson // Dec 6, 2008 at 10:20 am

  If the state parties dissafliate thay can keep the name Libertarian with only a minor change necessary. Perhaps the addition of the word Democracy as in the Libertarian Democracy Party, or some such revision. It is a free speech issue and there is more than one socialist party in the country.

  MW

• 23 paulie cannoli // Dec 6, 2008 at 11:24 am

  In some states that would mean having to do a lot of work to get on the ballot from scratch.

• 24 Michael Seebeck // Dec 8, 2008 at 4:25 am

  Flood’s only personal safety concern is him coming close to busting a vein when he almost lost it yesterday in his presentation. The LP’s answer to Peter Griffin is about 6’4″, 300#, and he’s threatened by 5′ 1″ 110# (guessed) of The Keaton? I believe a four-letter word for Flood is appropriate: WUSS.

  And I say that having been the keeper of the Keaton flogger yesterday!

• 25 JimDavidson // Dec 8, 2008 at 5:12 am

  @24 Flood has Peter Griffin’s IQ.

• 26 paulie cannoli // Dec 8, 2008 at 5:26 am

  Well, LOL. Stewart was/is not concerned about Angela personally beating his ass. Although a small woman can be quite effective with a weapon, some martial arts training, or even an old fashioned sucker punch.

  I think he was (or is) more afraid of a contract hit.

• 27 paulie cannoli // Dec 8, 2008 at 5:33 am

  Or as my ex (who is considerably smaller than Angela, and grew up physically fighting off big burly outlaw bikers and packs thereof) told me, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

  I survived two of her attempts to end my existence in this corporal sphere, however – one by car, one by broken whiskey bottle

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