Who thought it was O’Dell?

RE: name of this new caucus

I prefer the Clueless Caucus.

RE: name of this new caucus

How ’bout:

Glasnost-LP

If the meetings are typical LP boring, boring, boring, atleast the name will have some kind of life and excitement to it.

But I do wish we could stop using email for caucus business.

BTW Davidson has already been appointed as head of Internal Affairs and we will be called to the carpet.

lptc is a self-hosted wordpress site.

all wordpress.com sites you are on will appear in your same wordpress.com admin screen.

self-hosted sites AFAIK will not integrate like that with wordpress.com. At least not by default.

That’s how I do it and I have accounts on a crapton of wordpress sites.

Dashboard disappeared and there is no log in box. I tried refreshing.

- pls provide more feedback on http://lptc.org/about/ and the text at top right on all pages and anything else you think we need to get started.

- YahooGroups vs Mailman. I’m inclined to go with the former since it is actually easier for me and use of YG is already very great among libertarians. So far one person wants Mailman, one person has expressed a preference for YG, so unless someone else wants MM, I’m breaking the tie in favor of YG.

No, I don’t. Don’t presume to speak for me.

Any other thoughts?

I am very pleased by your idea of having the Sunshine Caucus keep its activities in the light of day. I shall do my utmost to hold you guys to that commitment, assuming it becomes a general principle of your group.

Yes, I do think that reporting on this group’s progress is important. I plan an essay for The Libertarian Enterprise. I’ve already blogged a bit about it tonight at bostontea.us.

Sunshine will expose those who want to commit nefarious acts in the dark and not be seen. If no one is doing that, no one will be exposed. We don’t have to be negative; the transparency will expose all, good and bad. You can take the information we dig up and make of it what you will.

And, as I have stated above, my interest in working with Hogarth in the presence of her normal “nobody plays in my sandbox without taking a loyalty oath to the LP” crap is nil.

We have no loyalty oath. And Susan does not get to kick people out here. But she is a member, and we are not going to kick her out so you can join. You’ll either have to tolerate her presence, or not be a member. Up to you.

Therefore, I am on the sidelines. I’m going to watch what you guys do. When you screw up, I’m going to report it as loudly as I can, wherever I please.

Thank you for your tactical support. We need someone to watch the watchers.

Presumably, out of concern that people like me are watching, you’ll want to have your deliberations in private.

Nope.

That way, when you refuse to openly disclose who did what to whom and why, you can cover it up.

As far as I am concerned that goes against our principles. In fact, I hereby propose that all caucus discussions be public, period.

I think everything we do that is connected with thsi project should be done in the open.

I look forward to the progress toward openness that the secret deliberations of the LP Sunshine Caucus can make.

Sorry to disappoint. No secret deliberations if people accept my view on this.

Thanks for helping build the caucus, Jim, and I don’t care if you consider yourself a non-member. I’m more interested in actions than words, and by your actions you are already helping us. What you want to call that is up to you.

You don’t have to, sir. I am more than happy to blame the members of the LP for allowing the lack of transparency and openness to get out of control and continuing to send it money. I am more than happy to blame the members of the LNC for not having the intestinal fortitude or backbone to confront a thought crimes prosecution and end it immediately, with a rebuke for the one bringing it. I am more than happy to blame the acting executive director for attempting to defraud the members of the governing body of the LP into signing confidentiality agreements as though they were themselves volunteers working for the staff of the LP rather than its actual governing body. I am more than happy to blame any of the individual members of the LNC who signed any such confidentiality agreement.

I am quite eager to find fault with Aaron Starr, Sean Haugh, Bill Redpath, Dan Karlan, M Carling, Stewart Flood, Krause, Davis, and other specific individuals for their specific actions. I am enthusiastic about pointing blame at Shane Cory for defrauding Angela O’Dell for her work in West Virginia as a paid petition gatherer who has never been paid. I am insistent about focusing blame on the Barr campaign for failing to name her as a creditor in their reports to the FEC, which I believe is both criminal fraud and a violation of the (nonsensical) FEC laws.

It seems to me that if you plan to have a Sunshine Caucus that doesn’t focus attention on wrongdoing to the point where those to blame for the wrongdoing are either shamed into not doing wrong, or are removed for doing wrong, then you don’t have much of a group.

And, as I have stated above, my interest in working with Hogarth in the presence of her normal “nobody plays in my sandbox without taking a loyalty oath to the LP” crap is nil. The same goes for you, sir.

No, I don’t have the best interests of the LP in mind. I have been against the LP for some time, and I am against it now, and I shall continue to be against it until: it conducts its affairs in an open and transparent fashion completely accessible to its members; provides the membership ample and frequent opportunity to over-rule the actions of the national committee and headquarters staff; nominates actual libertarians rather than racist Dixiecrats; and conducts some action worthy of general acclaim on behalf of individual liberty in this country. By general acclaim, I mean everyone in the freedom movement hears about it and approves.

I would be personally and professionally embarrassed to have anything to do with the LP unless and until it is worthy of my support. Which undoubtedly means that I am not someone you’d be willing to “put up with.” I would be critical. I would level blame. I would identify culprits and call for their dismissal. I would identify wrongdoing and ask that it be stopped.

And since that is exactly what you don’t want from people like me, that is exactly why a Sunshine Caucus is needed, and that is exactly why you are unlikely to be capable of effecting meaningful change.

I sent along a proposed mission statement to George’s new site for your caucus. I assume that because George likes to censor things that if I make a habit of posting there, or anywhere else that George has the power to censor me, he’ll do so, sooner or later.

Therefore, I am on the sidelines. I’m going to watch what you guys do. When you screw up, I’m going to report it as loudly as I can, wherever I please.

Presumably, out of concern that people like me are watching, you’ll want to have your deliberations in private. That way, when you refuse to openly disclose who did what to whom and why, you can cover it up. I look forward to the progress toward openness that the secret deliberations of the LP Sunshine Caucus can make.

Who knows, you might also invent perpetual motion.

Same here. But we are getting something good started. I have a strong feeling about that.

The lptc website does not seem to allow me to make any more posts right now.

Poll is running 8-7 for Sunshine.

Like I said that is not the most important thing.

First priority projects I think are important

- Lobby LNC to make the deliberations for replacing Angela public

- Get a scanned copy of the binder distributed to the gallery in SD online ASAP

- Find out who was responsible for placing Hospers article in LNC binder