Where would they hold the torch?

It’s built right in, so they can see their prey in all that darkness and obfuscation they like to roll around in.

http://www.dribl.com.au/pics/Nemo%20Fish.JPG

Where would they hold the torch?

http://thenextright.com/soren-dayton/time-to-strike-with-a-republican-transparency-and-ethics-agenda

By the way, TheNextRight unlike some of the deranged right wing sites has considerable thoughtful discussion.

There does seem to have been a set of people involved at the inception. Only one had the commitment to register a domain name and put up a web site, which I reference in my TLE article (see 25).

I might be regarded as a founder, and my recent article in The Libertarian Enterprise might be regarded as promotion, so I might be called a promoter of the caucus.

http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2008/tle497-20081214-02.html

If other people want to call themselves founding members, that is up to them. If you want to call me “the founder” that is up to you. I for one reject the title.

http://libhotties.com/gallery.htm

That would make a great tshirt slogan for the next national convention. LOL

OK.

Haugh wanted it in ES for his own reasons

He states at least one of those in the article. It is at variance with the caucus mission.

Haugh wanted it in ES for his own reasons, and I speculate it was to unload on the things mentioned in his article and more, but I don’t know. In any case, Redpath controlled setting the agenda, and he could have exercised good discretion and taken it off but didn’t, so Keaton dropped a trump on his play and it all wound up in open session.

I didn’t say you were. However, ultimately you picked the name, since you created the website and said the poll was not overwhelming enough to make you change your mind. I don’t want to revisit that discussion, though, as it is a distraction.

Just bc I create a website does not make me “founder”. Website creators/maintainers are usually called webmasters.

Yes, if that was all you did, then I would say correct. However it was part of a total list of actions which I think amount to you legitimately being called the founder. I’m not sure why you do not want to take credit for it. You had a good idea and made it happen. You got other people involved, including me. That is good.

resolution writer does not mean the same thing as founder.

I realize that. But given that you also created the website and yahoo groups, proposed and ultimately decided on the caucus name, wrote both of the resolutions that passed so far, proposed the rules for decision making that are in effect and decided that the only other proposal was not detailed enough to consider, make it a piece of evidence toward my claim that you are the founder.

everyone who has registered so far has the privileges necessary to edit all aspects of the website.

Correct.

For the record, I personally applaud Sean Haugh for writing that article. I do think it is something the Transparency Caucus would do well to endorse, however I recognize that certain persons in the caucus do not want that to happen because they have other bones to pick with Mr Haugh.

Not at all. I made a real argument against this, as did Matt. Your only response to that argument thus far has been that the charges against Angela were bogus – but that is not a transparency argument. The transparency argument is in favor of airing charges openly, whether bogus or not, not behind close doors as Haugh proposes in his article.

It’s true that I have another bone to pick with Haugh – although Matt doesn’t, as far as I know. My other bone with Haugh also revolves around the issue of openness, which Haugh in that case is standing in the way of. But, the existence of that other bone does not invalidate the straight-up, factual argument that Haugh argues against openness, and for secret hearings, in a portion of his article.

I did also acknowledge that he is serving the cause of openness in other parts of this article, though – and that is not taking a position one way or the other on whether his charges against Carling are true.

- Just bc I create a website does not make me “founder”. Website creators/maintainers are usually called webmasters.

- resolution writer does not mean the same thing as founder.

- everyone who has registered so far has the privileges necessary to edit all aspects of the website.

I’m constantly amazed at how people around here play fast and loose with the facts and just itch to tear good things down for no reason at all.

For the record, I personally applaud Sean Haugh for writing that article. I do think it is something the Transparency Caucus would do well to endorse, however I recognize that certain persons in the caucus do not want that to happen because they have other bones to pick with Mr Haugh.

So if it passes, I’m fine and dandy with it. But I won’t be starting a poll on it.

libertarian barracudas: it’s dinner time!

I think Flood is meant where Haugh is named?